So I read a book about Jewish folklore at this old lady's house

m.youtube.com/watch?v=1ajv_G3Akx8

Isn't Tim Burton's Ghost Bride based on a Jewish folktale? I'm assuming the original is scarier?

Generally speaking, Jewish folklore stories come on two flavors:

1. A wandering merchant, possibly on the run from cossacks/having just been exiled by a boyar (Jews really fucking hated boyars) runs into some inscrutable horror in a snowy forest. He POSSIBLY escapes.

2. A wandering scholar either happens upon or is called to a remote village in a snowy forest in order to confront some supernatural horror who is terrorizing everyone. He may defeat it using a logical argument or by finding some loophole in the cosmic rules it lives by. The conclusion is that learning and scholarship will save everyone's lives. The village is then pogrom'd anyway and everyone is killed by cossacks.

>TFW we can't play a group of 18th century jewish-german burglars
>implying we don't need these ladders to hang up our laundry

What's with the snowy forests?

It's telling of the Jewish mindset that in their mythological worldview, the entire world is wild and scary and it's always winter.

Well, when you tell a scary story, you have to put on the right atmosphere. Non-Jewish ghost stories rarely start with "it was a beautiful summer day and nature was blooming at its fullest", either.

And in Poland-Lithuana, snowy forests are a thing that happens.

>a wandering merchant
Kek

The best ones do.

And the scariest ones end with "and they got married"

You write what you know

Read Sahi Agnon's "The Lady and The Paddler". Scary shit.

No, the best ones start with people runing away from war or pestilence, or both. Everyone is either sick or wounded, and everyone is borderline hungry. You don't need to read story books to know how spring time was hardcore in eastern ojrop, just read a cook book or a good house wife manual. Even till today the "sending grandmother to get firewood" is something not everyone laughs at, because some people still remember times when it wasn't just a joke.

I would say 99/100 end with the dude or dudette either getting married or joining a brotherhood[in case of males].

>Even till today the "sending grandmother to get firewood" is something not everyone laughs at, because some people still remember times when it wasn't just a joke.
What's the joke?

it scares old people, its like saying the germans are coming . It is the same when you say around 22/23 for youngest son to get butter. Way back when this ment the dude did not return most of the time.

My question is...why were you at a random old lady's house?

The germans I can understand, and I guess firewood makes sense - it's cold, dark and a bit of a trek away - but why would going to fetch butter be dangerous for a 22/3 year old?

Sex.

>22/3 year old?
Oh, I though 22/23 was referring to 24 hour time?

A child at night, has to go to the one in 4-5 villages that is allowed to have cows and make butter, during the winter etc. either the wild dogs will get him, or someone from another village to get his cloths and money/what ever he has for trade, and because it is winter there is 0 chance the body will be found. ah and if he goes near an non jewish village they may just eat him if is the 1920s or 1905s or 1930s.

And when your talking to someone that had a city or town living family, this means existing the ghetto. That is a 9/10 chance to get shot or caught and shot, or beaten, robed then given to germans and shot.

Get butter is like your dad telling you, Son go hang yourself, but in a such a way that no one will know.

Oh.

Put .00 after, or just say 11PM, avoids confusion

what does menstruation has to do with hours? everyone knows what a 22/3 means. it is death hour.

>menstruation
What?

Fucking Yuropoors. Learn how to use numbers properly goddamn it. We aren't all from whatever bumblefuck village you live in that was razed to the ground every 20 years for the past millennia.

My city has never been razed and I still know what 22/23 would mean in this context, because I am not completely braindead.

Sometimes I think the Jews destroying western society is really just out of spite for all the shit it put them through.

I think it's pretty chicken and egg - they have a lot of traits and traditions that make them very successful, but also at the same time make them very hated and easy to make into scapegoats

It isn't giving someone shit when they're the one who starts it. Nobody would yell at shitposters if they didn't shitpost.

>Jews
>destroying society
kek, keep believing that, /pol/tard. If not Jews western society would implode.
You want to know why most Nobel awards in physics goes to Jews? That's right, because they are the only ones who really understand how the universe works. Without them and their wisdom we would be long gone.
It's so funny how people always assume that somehow Jews work with illuminati, while they fight against them to keep the world safe.

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I wonder who might be behind this post.

I'm personally impressed we managed to go a whole 30 posts or so before /pol/ got here.

>Non-Jewish ghost stories rarely start with "it was a beautiful summer day and nature was blooming at its fullest", either.

...you do realize that pretty much all of Europe got that one specific spirit that haunts fields at high noon during summers?

JIDF out in full fucking force today.

Though to be honest the Jewish community can be super scummy at times if you actually take the time to look at it.

It's the same with any community. I'm part native and I absolutely hate it when White people refuse to see the shitty things native people do. Refusing to look at groups of people as people is damaging to everyone. Just because they're of a different race doesn't mean that they can't be dicks, too.

True, I've never heard of one of my non Jewish friends having to sit next to a pimp when praying. It's really kind of disturbing how some of the stuff is indulged by the community.

>Also, his student once summoned a pair of bears to maul forty kids who made fun of his baldness.
I can relate to that

What sort of horrors do they usually run into? Just ghosts?

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Ghosts, demons, all sorts of vampires. Many are actually unspecified. A big theme is that the universe is basically unknown and filled with unknown horrors. The story may end with the hero escaping and all you've ever learned about the monster is that it's "something that looks human, moves way faster than a human and eats humans." (e.g. "The Lady" from Shai Agnon's story, who can also turn into an icy wind)

In earlier stories it's more often a variety of named and unnamed demons with some combination of human, snake, vulture and goat features. Some are huge. Some are human sized. All are evil.

Remember: this is one of the first ever cultures whose cosmology had NO PLACE for none malevolent supernatural beings. Even their angels hated humans. No the Jewish mindset, THE VERY UNIVERSE IS FUNDAMENTALLY HOSTILE, AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY HOSTILE TO YOU.

Have you ever seen about their nazi porn? Stalag fiction. Even the sex is about survival horror.

>THE VERY UNIVERSE IS FUNDAMENTALLY HOSTILE, AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT IT IS SPECIFICALLY HOSTILE TO YOU.
Wait, so WH40K ripps off jewish mythology?

Kikes and Klezmers recognizes 4 core settings, and the respective character classes:

Mythological: aka, Everyone Hates You, And They Have Swords
Classes:
>Warrior: Fighting man in ancient Israel. Hit things with sword in the name of the current prophet, king, and/or God in general. May be able to draw power from God in extreme situations.
>Prophet: Got a direct line to God. Odds are nobody respects you, least of all the other Jews. Show them all by nuking them with miracles, at least until God becomes disappoint and something eats you.
>Magician: You try to claim benevolence to work magic under the law of King Solomon. Nobody buys it and you are stoned to death after trying to heal someone.
>Angel: Minor celestial entity disguised as a human in order to test someone's morality. You secretly hate all humans with a passion and are just wishing Uriel would finally give you permission to nuke everyone.

Folkloric: aka, Everyone Hates You, And The Synagogue Was Burned Down By Cossacks
Classes:
>Merchant: Wandering tinker, paddler or trader. Social/sneaky class. Most likely statistically to get eaten by a demon.
>Scholar: Wandering scholar/theologian/scientist/part-time magician. You will try to assist a Jewish community with a supernatural problem and may be eaten by a demon.
>Woodsman: Closest Jews get to being fighters in this setting. Hunter/lumberjack/coal miner dabbling as a blacksmith. You will die from hunger in the winter and your daughters will be raped by cassacks.
>Nistar: You have dyslexia, ADHD, and possibly schizophrenia. You are basically a moron, except you are also morally impeccable and have savant-level memory and ability to interpret the Torah. You make miracles happen by the power of innocence and anyone who harms you is nuked by angels.

>funnyjunk image
Please leave.

>Being a Jew is suffering
>Jewish megucas

They started with a bleak outlook. Their entire culture is one of self-loathing leading to centuries old victim complexes.

Current: aka, Everyone Hates You, And They Have Nukes
Classes:
>Operative: If pre-Israel, you are a Jewish terrorist fighting the Turks/British/both depending on the day of the week. If post Israel, you are a Sayeret commando and allegedly blow up shit in Saudi Arabia.
>Mossad: You are an assassin for the Israeli intelligence service. You fly around the world and strangle people, then blame the Americans.
>Officer: You are an IDF officer. You will get PTSD at age 19 after being commanded to kill all civilians in some village in Lebanon, than the IDF will paint you as a maniac before the international community. You will kill yourself at age 22 and your book of poetry will be taught to Israeli students a decade later.
>Pilot: Your day to day life consists of sexually harassing female officers and bombing civilians - right until a war comes, then you shoot down dozens of enemy planes, get noted by the history channel as a one-in-a-million super ace, win a hundred medals and get brought down by sexual harassment charges. Suicide at age 29.

Speculative: aka Everyone Hates Us, Even The Aliens
>Commander: Lead a starship in the J Space Defense Force, protecting the exodus fleet on the way to Jerusalem Bet.
>Explorer: Search the other side of the Mars wormhole for a new homeland for the Jews. Get eaten by aliens.
>Politician: Leader of an exodus fleet carrier. Will be assassinated by your own people over ideological discussions, having helped nobody.
>Survivor: Volunteered to left behind to watch over the radioactive remains of Jerusalem until the exodus fleet returns from the Mars wormhole. Your days will be spent fighting Islamic mutants until you die from radiation poisoning.

Jew detected

Traditional Judaism doesn't really have a hell, though, does it? There's just Sheol, which is more comparable to the Underworld of the Greeks or the Nordic Hel, just a sad dark place where the spirits of the dead kick around for eternity. And The Old Testament/Torah Fall of the Angels doesn't really have a Satan figure (since Shaitan meant something else back then), right? The fallen angels just fucked a bunch of human women and bred giants.

So where to Judaic demons come from?

Indeed, this thread has been remarkably civil all things considered. Can't wait for it to go to hell in a handbasket.

What's that? I don't recall anything like that, although that might be because there isn't really anything left of folklore where I live.

GHOST OF КOMMУHИЗM, MWAHAHAHAHA

Either unspecified, or "the underworld". That's pretty unspecified, too. It's just another realm which is dark, possibly underground and which is filled with demons. Sometimes also the dead. Sometimes only the evil dead. Sometimes random dead. Sometimes just the demons.

Some demons just "are". They live in the forest, or in a cave, or just wherever they do.

Remember, the cosmos is hostile unknowable. Not unknown, actually unknowABLE. It cannot be known. At least not by regular human beings. They just need to survive in it.

It's mainly an Eastern European thing, a sort of folkloric explanation for sun-stroke, explaining why farmers take a break around midday. The spirit has a number of different names. Poludnica, Poludnitsa, Poloznicha, etc, etc. They all mean "Lady Midday." She appears in the fields when the sun is at its zenith and kills anyone still working there, usually by killing them with a sickle or by breaking their bones with her bare hands. Sometimes she asks riddles and only kills you if you can't answer them, the story varies a fair amount from region to region.

At any rate, she doesn't really exist in Western European traditions.

>At any rate, she doesn't really exist in Western European traditions.
Yeah, that'll be it. Usually rains all summer here.

I seem to recall once hearing about a specific type of Judaic wilderness demon called Shedim, which were basically just hairy demon ogres, similar to traditional ghouls, rakshasas, oni, and the like.

The Poles have such cool folklore, I'm almost jealous.

"Shedim" is just Hebrew for "demons". It's plural of "Shed". There are innumerable types. Some are even implied to be individuals or completely unique. They have names and everything recorded in books of Jewish mysticism. Others are entire "races", such as the Sei'rim, which are basically satyrs except without the fun parts (they just rape and pillage), and the Naomas/Naomis (?), which are seductive female demons who are possibly either children and/or servants of Lilith.

UK is not the same as western ojro. The sefardis have something like the noon lady, only she is a man, and he rapes to death.

Inbreeding is a hell of a drug.

>You will kill yourself at age 22 and your book of poetry will be taught to Israeli students a decade later
This sounds like a story.

There are also Mazeekim, which are smaller, mischievous demons, pretty much imps. Depending on source they may be the spirits of the evil dead or just minor demonic servants. Easily repelled by protective talismans and spells.

God. Everything comes from God because God is everything. One of the reasons Christianity sells better is because it basically makes God good.

Also you don't spend an eternity in Sheol. You hang out for a while, suffer, then fade into nothingness. At the end times god's going to create a new, better world and all of the righteous people are going to get to be part of it. I'm an atheist, mind, but that's how it goes.

It all depends on which interpreter you read. Every great historical Rabbi had their own opinion on the matter and even the bible can't seem to decide.

Sheol is either where everyone goes, or where the sinners go, and you're there either forever or for a single year and after there you either fade away or go back to life or go to paradise, and paradise may or may not exist and may or may not only be for the righteous or for everyone or just for those randomly selected by God. Sheol also may be a part of paradise (on the 4th Heaven, out of 7. Paradise is 1st, God hangs out in 7). It is maybe underground and possibly cold, but definitely dreary. It may be filled with demons, unless it isn't.

Satan is just "adversary" in Hebrew, but more in a "stands on the other side" sense, not a "lord of darkness" sense. He's an angel of God whose job is to point out flaws in creation and bring them to God's attention. He is probably unrelated to Samael, the Angel of Destruction, who is probably bad, maybe, possibly, but still working for God, almost definitely.

I know it, not worth much, but from Wikipedia:

>According to one legend, the shedim are descendants of serpents, or of demons in the form of serpents, alluding to in the serpent in Eden as related in Genesis. To others they are descendants of Adam and Lilith. Another legend said that God had started making them, intending for them to be humans, but did not complete their creation because He was resting during the Sabbath. Even after the Shabbat, He left them how they were to show that when Shabbat comes, all work must be viewed as complete.

I love the idea that they're God's old abandoned projects, left around to fuck with mankind because he can't be bothered to deal with them anymore. Yahweh is such a dick.

Some stories say that Leviathan was originally member of an entire species of giant serpents, but after creating them God had second thoughts and kill them all. Leviathan was the only survivor because God figured out a single giant serpent couldn't breed, so it's not really an issue. What's one giant serpent to destroy entire nations?

That said, remember the time those stories were created. Ancient Mesopotamia and Canaan. Gods back then were known to obliterate humanity for making too much noise, or on dares from other gods, or just because. The Hebrew God was considered progressive for at least giving a reason for HIS big flood.

I thought Leviathan and Behemoth were created as a mated pair. Though I guess that leaves the Ziz as the third wheel.

>Some stories say that Leviathan was originally member of an entire species of giant serpents, but after creating them God had second thoughts and kill them all. Leviathan was the only survivor because God figured out a single giant serpent couldn't breed, so it's not really an issue.

See, that's dickishness. You already went through the trouble of destroying an entire race of dragons, and you leave one of them alive not to make a point, not because you couldn't - but because you pretty much FEEL LIKE IT.

The absolute most of it is generally Slavic, not just Polish.

To be fair IIRC god kills it with a sword at some point

Again, Judaism, multiple interpretations. I've even read ones that say he created Leviathan, Behemoth and Ziz for the sole purpose of being slaughtered and served to him on Judgement Day, because I guess he'll be hungry by then.

I don't speak a word of Hebrew- except "agnosti" apparently- but that was pretty funny.

Sheol sounds like Russia.

... WAIT A MINUTE

Ah, Noonwraith.

Yeah, didn't want to admit that I had already heard of that from vidya.

>It reads like 18th century Jews lived in Kingdom Death
Why do you suppose that is?

Gentile here, pimp? What?

Transcript:
Grandfather: And this is why, every year, on the night of Passover, whom do we leave the door open a crack for (refers to a Jewish custom)?
Children: For the prophet Elijah.
Child: Grandfather, says, what did the prophet Elijah do?
Grandfather: He invited 400 prophets of Ba'al to a kind of competition, to see whose god is strongest: Ba'al or ours.
[Elijah slaughters everyone]
Guy in Red Robe: "Wait, wait, wait a second. What... what's going on in here?"
Elijah (psychotic growl): "Killing..." [note: he uses a Hebrew tense which is timeless and impersonal. It's hard to translate into English, but it's basically something between "[we] kill" and "killing happens"]
Guy in Red Robe: "Who?!"
Elijah (psychotic growl): "The prophets of Ba'al".
Guy in Red Robe: "Ah! Very good. Show those guys."
[Elijah about to strike]
Guy in Red Robe: "No, no, no, no! I'm not, I'm not a prophet, I'm an agnostic prophet! I don't follow Ba'al. Well, maybe I do? I used to, but, well, nowadays, I don't..."
Elijah (psychotic growl): "Come... come over here for a moment."
Guy in Red Robe: "What?"
Elijah (psychotic growl): "You are a good boy..."
Guy in Red Robe: "Thank you very much..."
[Elijah kills]
Guy in Red Robe: "But I'm agnostic, agnostic..."
Grandfather: "And ever since, every year on the night of Passover, the prophet Elijah goes from house to house, to teach little kids who the prophet Elijah is."
[knock on the door]
Grandfather: "Maybe we should close the door anyway..."

10/10

Given how many Israelis post on /pol/, to the point where anti-judaism has noticeably softened since GG and the implementation of flags, I'm not surprised.

You know, jokes aside, this is a pretty insightful allocation. Besides the "speculative" setting (I'm assuming that's all a reference to some science fiction movie?) the combination of the other three represents a system of distinctive genres which share the themes making up "Jewish fiction". The "mythological" setting is characterized by stories about the larger-than-life, heroic actions of judges, prophets and kings who existed in "biblical times". The Jews of these stories are depicted as essentially an aggressive warrior race, with their own, powerful kingdom, who face monsters and foreign armies on wars of conquest. King Solomon pulls off Exalted level shit like invading the underworld and killing dragons. Miracles involve blasting entire cities off the face of the Earth.

By comparison, the stories of Jewish folklore all happen in some timeless, unspecified forest in Eastern Europe in which the fundamental assumption is that Jews are a haunted, ostracized people with no kingdom of their own, no kings and no power. Their communities are tiny and weak, they are essentially at the mercy of the goyim. You will never find a Jewish folktale about a hero who defeats a monster, or even a human enemy. They'd barely even wield weapons. The heroes of Jewish folktale are passive, not active, and they normally use cunning and knowledge to escape from danger. They rarely gain anything in the process other than the escape itself.

The "Current" setting refers to the ethos of Israeli war stories, which are a predominant form of fiction in Israel. Back in the 50's and 60's, they'd normally star bold, swashbuckling resistance fighters and pioneers in a setting which is almost Wild West-ish in nature, with Arabs taking the place of Indians and British taking the place of Yankees. As time moved on, Israeli war stories became darker and darker until today they're almost inevitably about deeply conflicted, mentally broken soldiers and agents who see themselves as warriors in a war for survival and are STILL not sure if they personally deserve to see the end of it.

It also refers to the phenomenon of IDF poetry, which is a thing. IDF soldiers are for some reason extremely prone to poetry. Their poetry is prone to being really, really, really fucked up. Like holy shit, someone-find-this-guy-a-therapist fucked up.

Nice false flag fag.

youtube.com/watch?v=VgrUph2OMZQ

A translation for non-Hebrew speakers:

I saw lines
red lines
red lines of blood
going forever
extending towards the mountains
tall mountains somewhere in the distance

perhaps one day they shall meet
perhaps then they will form
the image of man

and [the] man became a walking man
a man of flesh and blood

and the blood which extended towards the mountains
met [congealed], and turned into man

>PTSD: The Poem

Maybe it is because am eastern ojro, but what is hardcore about it? Unless of course he recited this free style while fucking an arab in front of a check point.

>Also, his student once summoned a pair of bears to maul forty kids who made fun of his baldness.
I remember a post that mentioned this instance losing a lot of its meaning in translation. Wish I could find it.

The jist of it was that 'youth' basically meant any guy from 16-19 and they were actually leveling a pretty serious threat. It was more synonymous with being harassed by a bunch of thugs than being heckled by some little shits.

Not the same guy, but from the wording, I'm assuming it's less "hardcore" and more "whoever wrote this is completely broken inside".

There's also something kinda creepy about letting a little girl sing this. Hell, thinking about it now, Israel has female combatants. She may have written this.

I'll just leave this here