/wmhg/ - Warmachine Hordes general

He was using Bethayne and 14DEF infantry that basically won him the game by going to 16DEF making it impossible to reliably land Ashes to Ashes on anything. Throw in some of the worst rolling I've ever done and it was just an all round shit game to play. Hexeris needed a 7 to hit the Angelius. I was expecting to charge it, kill it in a few swings, then have a couple transfers. I had to feat to steal 7 fury, then use the entire stack to kill it on the last swing. Not like it mattered since Bethayne is the hardest to starve warlock in the game since she just cuts herself then melds all the damage away. Fuck 16DEF infantry man, shit's just dumb. I threw a boosted Black spot at them, missed, threw another, missed. The entire game wasn't fun.

How will Mk 3 influence Menoth, Cryx, Cygnar and Mercs/Rhulic? I was looking to get back into the game and my wife professed an interest in those factions. I was probably going to pick up Rhulic or Menoth myself.

Sounds great. In Germany there's T3 (tabletopturniere.de) which is sued for organizing basically any event. So I can't even fathom how everyone else does it.

Rhulic and Menoth both look strong. For Rhulic, you'll be using non-rhulic solos and maybe some non-rhulic units, but rhulic jacks got very strong in Mk3

Hello /wmhg/. Today I learned something. Khador is broken as fuck.

Are the High Shields worth it at all? I always liked them, but they were lackluster.

They still seem relatively lackluster iirc.

What about Precursor Knights?

Which is better to have to start with in cygnar, assuming you already own the all in one, trenchers or storm blades/more jacks. Rn the jacks I have are the reliant/stormclad, charger, defender and a centurion

Show me on the doll where the Juggernaut touched you, user.

Not just the juggernaut. I've seen some shit.

Well which caster do you like?

>Well which caster do you like?
Like I said, just starting, but I'll probably use the Haley's a lot, alongside Caine 2 and siege, stryker too. I wanna run trenchers, but I really don't know if they're good or not and want some input mainly

Well if you want Haley and Trenchers, then Haley3 is just what you need. She's a bit complicated though. In fact, the only easy Haley is Haley1 and she is so easy it's beyond boring to play (against) her.

Trenchers (Trencher Infantry that is) in general are good and very independent. They can use caster-dependent buffs, but don't need them. So you could basically play Trenchers + Command Attachment + 3 Rifle Grenadiers + Finn in basically any list and at worst they would perform okay.

Dont you have acces to the razorworm that can arc into the back?

I was using one. The problem is he put his infantry in the middle so I couldn't slip around the side. On one flank was trees, on the other was cavalry with poisonous shots and RNG12. Starting to think that Hexeris1 would be better purely because I could drop that sweet 5" template on faggots.

Who would be a good caster to start with then, assuming I have the all in one and just the basic trencher box

Well, Siege is up there. He's really simple. Stryker1/Maddox might be good as well. In all honesty, Cygnar has no bad caster (not even Sturgis, Stryker1 and Maddox are just better than him). I'd just advise against starting with Haley2 or 3, just because of their complexity.

just 2 characters jacks.
>Mk2 is over kiddo, didn't you get the memo?

Alright, so siege, Maddox styker and Haley1 to start

How bad is Boomhowler now with the Tough changes?

What are the best Menoth casters, post Mk3?

sevys
feora2
amon
HR
kreoss1, maybe 3 too
kreoss2 might be good with the knights theme
harby is still good, just not as far above the rest
thyra is better but still a cut below par
durst and vindy are meh

>all the casters I wanted to play

Excellent. But what about the Testament?

Durst is pretty incredible now that you can run the battlegroup he always wanted

Sure. Which caster do you like most out of those? Maybe we can come up with an early list draft based on the stuff you have.

Kross my nigga, I really like his 2 and 3 models though. Are they going to be stand up at all this edition?

I'm not sure about Testament. He has 3 good spells and a really neat feat, but 6 focus is only enough for his upkeeps and casting raise dead twice and 14/16 defensive stats are bad enough that you're going to need to spend more than most to protect him which hurts with his below-average wj points. I might be underrating his feat by a lot, though.

Durst suffers from needing his infantry to bunch up around his jacks in an edition where bunching up gets single-wounders killed. He isn't bad, I just think he is outclassed by protectorates very strong stable of casters.

>Durst suffers from needing his infantry to bunch up around his jacks in an edition where bunching up gets single-wounders killed. He isn't bad, I just think he is outclassed by protectorates very strong stable of casters.

lol i don't people are even giving a shit about that aspect of the feat except for maybe using it on durst himself.

Last time I played Durst I brought six jacks, support, and a unit of Daughters to throw at the enemy and tie them up for as long as possible. It worked quite well.

Oops, I fixed it.

I avin' a giggle, m8?

Is infantrymachine dead or should I still buy a box of errants and sword knights?

People are saying it's dead, but I don't think so.

Weaponmaster spam dies pretty hard to ranged armies, but the no real ranged jackspam you're seeing people do has very little in the way of shit to stop the infantry from getting there, so it's likely to roll them.

infantry is fine

Jacks got better but infantry are still good along as they weren't nerfed into the ground (bane thralls)

>Waah, my hard hitting infantry no longer come with built in defensive tech and easy threat extenders! Now I only have the ability to kill a heavy with three of them with my faction's debuff tech!

>Being this salty over a simple truth

I don't even play cryx, lol

They weren't nerfed into the ground, they were brought in line with what they were supposed to be.

Brought into line with nerfs. As opposed to brought into line with buffs.

i mean, if the ground is the line, then in that case they were nerfed to teh ground.

nerfing is better than buffing
"everything is OP" is not a good way to handle a game

Gonna be new to cygnar and one of my favourite aspects of them is their infantry models, have a couple questions

1: Can either Caine run trenchers well? I'm not a fan of a lot of Cygnar's casters (Haley, striker, and sloan hold no interest to me)

2: Are any of the trencher UAs good? (Chain gun, cannon, officer/sniper). I also really like trencher commandos, but I've heard they're not great.

3: How would one suggest expanding on the cygnar battlegroup once I get my hands on it and become familiar with it?

thanks

>"everything is OP" is not a good way to handle a game
Malifaux 1st edition

Do you have extra chromosomes?

There is a reason they went to 2nd edition, and why 2E is much better.

Riot games please go

yeah thats what i mean.

So I should buy Exemplar Knights and Errants? I have to admit i'm not hot and bothered for the other menite infantry model-wise, so this seems to play into my strengths. I was going to take Kreoss 2 or 3 anyway..

But who else benefits from having Exemplar around?

>But who else benefits from having Exemplar around?
Anyone with a speed or armor buff is good with them, and so is anyone who can revive them.
Thyra is also bretty good with them due to occultation, carnage and silence of death.
They can work with eSevvy, using rebuke as a pseudo speed boost.

The rezniks and amon probably do the least for them out of all our casters

Good, good,

Question number two; who is this nigga best with? I love the model, the lore, the rules, but I don't know where he fits in at all especially with Mk 3.

Probably Maddox desu. I like her and what I've heard of Haley, so any help there would be great. I would like to use trenchers if possible though

Are these threads always this slow?

With Gaspy2 being dead theres no reason to bring bane thralls ever

Nothing to really talk about also it's worktime in the US.

Wmh threads were always slow mid day even at its heights

People are out playing WMH in the US.

>but I don't know where he fits in at all especially with Mk 3.
On the shelf

He's MAT 8 in a world of MAT 6 jacks

Anyone who has a non battle group buff that they can throw on him. Like eye, or ignite.

> even at its heights

Is the game interest dying off or what?

Rude.

Point. Then, Severius or whatever. A shame I really wanted to put him in with the Harbinger or Kreoss.

Veeky Forums's pretty big into warhammer, and warmahordes and other games don't get a lot of attention among tg goers

Yup because there's actual competitions in the market now

That much is obvious, but I expected a little more.

Literally who?

Well at the moment Kreoss 2 doesn't have a tier list to pigeon hole him into one type of style. So he benefits pretty well from the feat.

Kreoss 1 would like cause his basic control game is so solid with purification, lamentation, and defenders ward.

Good with harbinger still too cause of crusaders call and guided hand.

What about Kreoss 3?

would actually work alright cause assail and ignite both work on just any jack not battlegroup.

they got their own forums and other places to post and discuss the game. one of the main reasons why 40k is so popular here, aside that its the biggest game, is because gw doesn't have an official forum for discussion. you really shouldn't take how much it get posts about on Veeky Forums as an indicator of popularity.

ew but I don't want to post on official forums or Reddit.

Why is the reply in spoilers?

then just stick the generals here. not saying you gotta post there, just that it's why this thread only has 23 posters.

Because ignorance and replying with a meme.

But no really I don't know what other group could be giving them competitor, aren't PP firmly second in the pecking order after GW?

It's ffg with x wing.

Yeah. Maybe Malifaux, if we want to count Europe then maybe Infinity. Both games have a strong following. I think Malifaux can get big because Steampunk and everyone loves that. I think they need to take the competitive aspect of the game more seriously.

Infinity's only real problems are the complexity of the rules, which turn off shitters, and that its made by Spanish socialists.

Anyone happen to have the Vessel of Judgement and a Cyclops shaman? I'm wondering if the strongman's upper body is comparable in size.

Is this 50pt list decent? It's all I have left over from mk2. If not, what should stay and what should be swapped?

Kreoss1
Vanquisher
Reckoner
Redeemer
Guardian
Max choir
Sunburst artillery
Knights exemplar

Right, right, so GW > FFG >>> PP >>>> Everyone Else.

I've always wanted to get into Infinity because of the models, but the rules, their translations, their community approach, everything felt so alienating at times.

>tfw I've gone to ten different stores in norcal and none of them have active GW communities anymore

That sounds like me. I've been to at least eight different stores in western WA and their GW communities might as well be dead. Even the people that regular GW stores don't even play, they just sit around painting and talking or griping about the games.

>Not playing Stryker2 to kill beasts in two swings

nice try skorne player, im sure that angel was real scared of your PS14

I think it's become more of a hobby thing and less of a gaming thing.

1 - yes

2 - yes, but not the chain gun.

3 - stormclads, avengers, chargers, its hard to go wrong

but the bigger question is why are you playing Cygnar if you dont like Haley and Stryker. i can get sloan, shes a boring fuck. but Haley is a national treasure and stryker is great, although stryker1 is a boring his other 2 incarnations are great. such as being the best face beater in the entire game

without them you're left with what, Caines, Darius, Sturgis, Siege and Maddox? except for the caines, yuck.

>knights theme
Do we have theme lists then? Or do you just mean take Intercessor with some Vengers?

Exemplars* not vengers

And the best dude in cygnar; the big man Nemo.

Nemo3 is super legit as he can fully load a jack for an investment of one focus per jack and with reinholt can clear entire units of infantry by himself.

Good point, can't forget grandpa lightning. Nemo1 and 3 are legit and 2 is pretty decent.

Do we have theme lists then?

no, but we know theyre coming. if the leak for the flameguard theme is at all accurate, then odds are good the exemplar theme is going to look a lot like kreoss2's mk2 theme

Thanks, user. Can I get a link to said leaked theme? I'm a blind retard and if it's in the OP's list of links I can't see it.

it wont be in there, there wasnt a card or anything. there might have been a picture, but i havent found it in the archive yet.

best i can find is the description, archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/47749121/#47749582.

entirely possible its just a made-up fake, but i at least think it looks fairly plausible