Why is Veeky Forums so opposed to including waifus in games...

>why don't you get an actual girlfriend instead of getting the DM to act as an imaginary one for you
Because the essence of roleplaying is that you, as the player, become a different person. This different person has a different circle of friends and a different social life. This social life will most likely at one point or another include a romantic or sexual partner, considering that is what drives literally the entire survival of any sexually reproducing species.

If you cannot comprehend this, you might as well ask "why don't you fight in an actual war instead of getting the DM to pretend to be a bunch of goblins for you".

Truth.

>Keep in mind that (assuming D&D) adventurers are exceptional beings straight off the bat. It's only natural that exceptional men marry exceptional women.
Mundane races are perfectly capable of being exceptional, or maybe they just don't share your shit fetish.

>Keep in mind that you're the DM: you're the one who keeps the story on the rails. When it's being derailed, use all means you have at your disposal to rerail it.
so that you can waste everyone's time backpedalling, and the players can bitch on Veeky Forums about how that gm stole their kawaii uguu animu waifu?

i actually have no problem with waifus in games as long as their actual characters and not lazy plothook material. OP is a faggot though.

The problem is those are already hacky, kludgy bullshit that will teach your players not to get attached to anything because you'll cash it in for plot the first time you get stuck for an idea.

At best it will descend into a monster-girl ERP, at worst you'll end up with a table of people who have no friends, no family, no past, no connections, and no hobbies beyond brooding in the corners of inns that by all accounts must be damn near circular for all the corner seats they seem to offer.

Pull your pants up, zip 'em, close down Monster Girl Quest, admit it was never actually for "research," and stock a setting with real characters that a) don't come from your spank-bank and b) don't have to justify their presence with this ridiculous questgiver bullshit.

shut up

>Why is Veeky Forums so opposed to including waifus in games?
The games usually turn to shit right afterwards. Never let a man or woman for that matter put in a waifu/husbando character in their game, the initial 'fun' is soon replaced by foolishness and butthurt once the character dies.

Nice false equivalency loser

Who the fuck plays a fantasy RPG and thinks, "Gotta do my duty to the dwarven race and reproduce!" Do your characters eat three meals a day and brush their teeth too?

Besides, offspring between a dwarf and a centaur or whatever are not likely to be viable. Keep your fetish shit out of the game.

BECAUSE YOUR WAIFU IS BEING PLAYED BY A SADISTIC ASSHOLE WHO'LL RAPE HER 12 WAYS TO SUNDAY TO GET A PLOT GOING. AND ALSO MAGICAL REALM YOUR WAIFU WITH HIS SHIT.

>the essence of roleplaying is sex
Go play Social Lives and Sexual Encounters, then.

>Do your characters eat three meals a day and brush their teeth too?
You... have played a roleplaying game, yes?

>Besides, offspring between a dwarf and a centaur or whatever are not likely to be viable

OH HO, unexpectedly, you are actually correct.

For further information, please consult the attached chart.

Also note the addendum at the bottom is "without magical means".

With the intercession of enough fertility gods, anything is possible.

Because a lot of it stems basically from your inability to get laid or find a girlfriend.
More or less it's you reinforcing by using the game's setting and rules that you have no sex or love life and then shoving it in everyone's faces in the clumsiest and most pathetic way imaginable, and in most cases gaming groups are people who are at least nominally friends and even nominal friends don't like watching someone debase themselves like that in public.

You sound like a dumb person trying to use big words to sound smart, trying to hide your non existent argument.

If you can't sum your point up in an easy sentence or two, it's not a good point.

tl;dr you're a moron

>go to church
Kill yourself.

Because, as a player, I have a right not to be involved in some person's elaborate masturbation. Traditional "waifus" are okay in the sense that basically every conversation with someone who has a traditional "waifu" is going to be about their "waifu", so you kind of know what you're getting into. Neo-waifus, the way they're conventionally understood, are awful, particularly if someone sneaks their deviant fetish into an otherwise fun campaign. Why not just masturbate to elaborate niche porn on the internet the same way everyone else does?

let's see here

>my character has a husband/wife/betrothed/family

This is not bad. This is, in fact, basic character building. A GM can use this to help tell a good story.

>my character falls for someone and wants to build a family

This is not per se bad but in my opinion, based on the groups I game with, would probably be roleplayed very "hands-off" and perfunctorily rather than with detailed descriptions of courtship and poetry. But again, a good GM can use that to tell a good story via rival suitors, etcetera

Note: these fundamentals of storytelling are not actually the same as anime bullshit and can be usefully described with perfectly ordinary English.

I would be pleased to add an NPC lover or spouse to a campaign. Less so if the player asked for a waifu.

Waifus don't necessarily have to be monstergirls, you know.

And everything is good in moderation. Characters having gfs and wives somewhere that throw a plot hook your way once in a while? Perfectly fine.

It stops being fine when the waifu starts stealing the spotlight because the player wants to RP a substitute for a real life relationship or just something to give him a stiffy and cummies.

I know you don't play TTRPGs and just shitpost here because you were banned on /a/ OP, but not everyone is a good roleplayer with enough restraint. In one of the games I play, a dude roleplays a lesbian who fucks a monstergirl DMPC, and that's all she fucking does. She either "trains" with her waifu, fucks her behind the scenes or otherwise just zones out, saying "I follow the party" or "I full attack" once in a blue moon. This shit is 1/4 of our screentime, basically.

Introducing something as a "waifu" or "she's like one of those monstergirls" is encouraging this kind of behavior. It can be fine if you have an entire table of weebs, but some people just want to have an adventure, not listen to you "snuggling ur waifu and rubbing her ears ^o^" for entire sessions at a time.

I'd only really give waifus/husbandos to players I know would handle it properly, and with whom I'd have discussed it in advance.

I actually have one group where three out of five players have/had some kind of love interest ; the paladin used to have a secret affair with the councilor's wife, with was used against him during the campaign and was one more reason his country exiled him. The formerly exiled prince turned emperor is pursuing a member of the elven royalty in hopes of forming an alliance. The wizard has one on one interaction with their base's healer. All of this is well-roleplayed, serves the plot or at least doesn't derail it, and makes perfect sense in our political campaign.

But I discussed the matter with the group for my sci-fi campaign, and we've agreed to include no romance. It wouldn't fit the tone and pace we're going for.
tl;dr : it depends on the game and the players, like most things do

>Go to church
If I wanted to listen to an uneducated paedophile yelling retarded drivel I'd watch a Trump rally.

Your contribution has been noted

I mean everyone who GMs in my group includes plenty of cute 2D waifu characters, but romance just isn't a topic anyone is actually interested in, so it's a matter of injecting cuteness and a bit of lewdness into the game for the sake of it, rather than for any plot revolving around relationships.

I will admit that my players definitely attempt to seduce my female characters a lot more than anyone else's, but it's probably because I do a decent girly voice and give them feminine personalities.

Oh hey, /leftypol/. That's a change from the usual breed of trolls here.

I like how mentioning church instantly triggers underage retards. It's like they think their fedora-based critiques actually mean something.

You have to go back

Christcucks are the enemy of any upstanding man, as they are ultimately slaves to kikes and their perverse morality.

>Keep in mind that you're the DM: you're the one who keeps the story on the rails. When it's being derailed, use all means you have at your disposal to rerail it.
>on the rails
>rerail it
Ok boys, you've had enough time with those kawaii waifus! Time to brush your teeth and go fight a BBEG!

Yup, you have a containment board full of people like you! You can go there, say whatever you want, and it's actually meaningful in the context that you're pissing into an ocean of piss.

That being said, if you're lonely and have no friends, church offers a group of nice open minded people and can help you overcome your crippling autism. Go for the bake-sales if nothing else.

>church offers a group of nice open minded people
8/8

Get out you fucking desperate shill.

>church offers a group of nice open minded people

Do you understand it's all in your head, it's your move

It does? You can be fat, gay, ugly, into weird ass porn, or otherwise socially unacceptable, and they're basically contractually obligated to be nice to you. All you have to do is show up, listen to a story of varying quality for an hour, and make casual small talk during community events that often have high-quality homemade snacks. In fact, most priests are generally educated in philosophy and theology, so they're capable of having substantiated intellectual debates if you approach them rationally and not like a giant fedora sperg.

But, like I said before, I know it's summer time, so please take your teenage shitposting to your containment board. Veeky Forums is a nice place, and it would certainly be nicer if you faggots fucked off to where you belong.

>wears a crucifix
>full fedora
yeah pretty much. I'd advise against posting your own pictures on Veeky Forums though

>I know it's summer time
>but I'm still going to get upset at summer instead of just ignoring it like a big boy

Religions have some dank lore, art and rituals anons. Reading up on religions/mythologies is a pretty great way to get better at worldbuilding, or even enjoy the game lore you read more. It'd definitely make you better roleplayers/GMs than getting triggered about it on Veeky Forums at least.

You raised christcuckery in the furst place, faggot. /pol/ is far more accepting of degenerate faggots such as yourself than "Satan's Playground" Veeky Forums is. Fuck off with your pathetic shilling.

Because you keep bitching that my furry waifu is disgusting bestiality while you're willing to fuck someone who's just a horse from the waist down just because it has an uguu anime face on it.

> This social life will most likely at one point or another include a romantic or sexual partner, considering that is what drives literally the entire survival of any sexually reproducing species.
Biologically, RPGs should also include people taking a dump. Except nobody does that for obvious reasons. For the same reasons GM will not roleplay your waifu.

You forgot your reaction images. How am I supposed to judge your articulate ad hominem arguments based on just two lines of green text?

This guy gets it. Say what you will about the religions, their mysticism is pretty neat in a universal sense. I read through Paradise Lost for a course on literature, and it helped me make some pretty kick-ass BBEGs, particularly the way Lucifer's hubris got him cast out of heaven for acting pragmatically. It's nice when a BBEG has a fleshed-out personality and a logical, compelling reason for being the BBEG.

OR you are just really easily baited and are whining over something no one gives a shit about.

i feel like works of fiction of such incredible quality as paradise lost don't get enough credit as sources of inspiration here on Veeky Forums. at least not the same extent as the likes of dune or lord of the rings

If they were just a plot device, sure.

But they're not, they're a romantic interest and people who insert that shit into a campaign - player, DM, whatever - are rarely people you want around.

A different kind of magical realm.

>furst
user is English you third or fourth language?

The only time Christianity is acceptable is when you're playing Ars Magica

>user saves the day by mentioning the church and killing this retard subject as the fedoras are deployed

>lord of the rings
Ironic.

Also, Dante's Divine Comedy.

Forgot Chronicles of Narmia m8

Or when the whole group approves because we're adults.

If you have imaginary friends, you aren't adults.

To be honest, the "cannon" of western literature has been a little perverted by fedoras and the internet. We're at this weird post-modern time where people obliquely understand allusion, but they don't have a concrete grasp of the source material. I read paradise lost because I have a giant poetry-based boner, and without annotations it's almost impossible to get through. I think it's a little like the Ivory Tower system. There is this great swathe of awesome literature to inspire you, but the average person needs to fumble through a sea pedestrian recommendations before they get the chutzpah to dive into something objectively better.

Basically people need a classical education of both the Bible and Greco-Roman poetry and plays.

There's no wisdom of the ancients. Milton was an ignorant primitive, just live everyone else in the Renaissance and, just like the Greeks and Romans before them.

If you get off by insulting a person's belief system behind the curtain of anonymity you're not either. Baitlord, I tip my fedora to you.

>insulting beliefs
They are deserving of nothing but insults. There's no such thing as belief or faith. They're just pretending.

Milton was after the Renaissance. At least keep you bait consistent. Come on, man.

The 1600's weren't the Renaissance?

I didn't say their was "wisdom of the ancients". I said that most people don't understand the vast majority of canonical western literature. If you never read Hamlet, you wouldn't understand a parody or an homage to Hamlet within another story.

Also, Milton was after the Renaissance, probably high as a kite on ergot poisoning, and he is objectively one of the finest writers to ever grace our planet. You tried real hard, and got so far...

you newfriends always get baited by this shit it's unbelievable

No, they weren't. That was the Enlightenment era. The Renaissance was 1500s.

Shakespeare was an ignorant primitive too, and Milton, born in 1608, was certainly during the Renaissance.

You know I could point out the factual flaws in you disingenuous assertions. But that'd take time and effort I'm not willing to spend on a troll who's clearly here to sew discord and rancor. Good day to you sir.

the only one pretending is you user, and poorly at that.

Because 99% of the time it's silly

BUILD

At least nothing of value was lost.

No you couldn't. Faith is pretense. Period. "I want something to be, so I will act as if it is the case." That's pretending.

Who isn't ignorant and primitive to you?

The Renaissance was a time period from early 14th, to mid 17th century. Milton was born at the tail-end of the Renaissance and wrote work more fitting of the Enlightenment era. At least try a bit harder if you want to bait someone with a better education.

Also, Shakespeare is many things, but spontaneously writing new scenes in iambic pentameter in the middle of your own play is pretty difficult. I didn't use him as an example of awesome writing, I said if you didn't read hamlet and something referenced hamlet, you'd have no idea what's being discussed.

Give me your top 5 writers, go.

Modern people, and I hope future people will have the good sense to think of us as just as primitive when they've surpassed us.

Everyone does that. It's called volition, not faith. You're bad at this.

Call me next time someone tries to save a dump from a castle and maybe, just maybe, you might have a point.

I have better things to do than waste my time reading fiction. Writing things in metered verse is ridiculous regardless of the difficulty in producing it.

You have a very strange definition of faith that I think most dictionaries will disagree with, and sound incredibly jaded and angery.

So who molested you?

A quick look at Veeky Forums alone shows you're a moron.

user your either an extreme newfag or the WORST leftypol I've ever seen. Lurk more faggot and git gud. Because what you're using right now is weeeeak.

Let me guess, we aren't primitive because people are becoming less religious, right?

What are you trying to say? Some weird post-historical revisionism where people are intrinsically more educated based on the time they were born? Come on user, you read the /pol/ posters in this thread, you know that's patently false.

>Writing things in metered verse is ridiculous regardless of the difficulty in producing it.
Oh, you're just uncultured swine. He wrote in iambic pentameter because it mimics natural human oration. Metered verse is a rhetorical device and it can convey additional meaning that would otherwise be lost without it. That's the "art" part of writing, and not everyone can appreciate it, but if you can't you shouldn't be proud of your ignorance.

Volition is acting on one's will. It is something completely separate.

"Someone told me a story so I buy into it instead of all the other competing stories because I heard this one first." That's pretending. It's the complete absurdity of Pascal, who "believed" based on fear of one outcome and desire for another. This is rational when you're talking about real things, but you can't spontaneously decide "I'm going to believe this," and be sincere. It's not a real thing.

>Why is Veeky Forums so opposed to including waifus in games?

Because your selective reading prevents you from seeing all the threads and discussions where this is not the case. There are plenty of degenerates on this board who are willing to date their players vicariously through their NPCs.

Inb4 his response is just
>nuh-huh

Natural human speech goes, "bla BLA ba BLA ba BLA ba BLA ba BLA" Okay, sure it does. That doesn't confer any additional meaning. Stop trying to justify your literature degree.

Maybe they just dislike the idea of organized religion rather than faith in and of itself?

Jesus the mental gymnastics here are gold metal worthy, but, following your example I'll now be a cunt and not fully explain myself.

...

Art is worthless.

Having relationships and bonds with other NPC's does indeed provide for some quest and rp opportunities. It's actually a refreshing change from every PC being a lone-wolf desperado murderhobo killing machine.

However, using the term "waifu" is indicative of anime culture, and also spending too much time on anime boards. Leave that shit at home. In fact, I might suggest you drop the term from your mind entirely as it won't bode well with future relationships if you have that template in your psyche.

Got really stupid in here extremely quickly. Nice to see the Summer piss crop is coming in nicely.

Yes and?

>iambic pentameter because it mimics natural human oration
I've read that the alexandrin is the most natural meter, actually. Though maybe that's because my source was French and didn't compare French meters to foreign ones.
as a French person I still don't understand how the iambic pentameter works and I still find it unpleasant to hear.

Literature-degree user is a moron. It's incredibly unpleasant to hear. Also studies have shown that the Trochaic foot is better at getting people to agree with what you said. Rhetoric people are just brainwashed Classicists that believe whatever some guy wrote because it was not in the same century as now. We were doing it in Iambic so that's the best way. They're like Medieval philosophists getting hardons over Aristotelian motion.

Mature, grown people can be expected to not insert their personal fantasies on the game

You may think the group doesn't notice or that it doesn't disrupt the tone of the game. Waifubait NPCs mostly contribute nothing but cheap romance or awkwardness from the DM "stealthily" injecting his fetishes into the game.