The project is in an odd place, development-wise. Creative problems with one of the Legions led to it being written off as a dead end, so for the first time in ages we're not actually trying to cut anything but instead can invite in a fresh idea for a Traitor Primarch.
Other than that, there's acres of creative space between the broad lines established in the HH project. We have stuff to riff off if you want to write about Mars and other Forge Worlds, established Knight characters for interactions, and a whole raft of ordinary people.
Welcome back to our usually scheduled train wreck.
Michael Hall
For myself, I'm currently rounding out a bit of that tech-priesty goodness. After leaving it as a stub for ages, I've returned to developing the Forge World 1d4chan.org/wiki/Massalia. There's more in mind for 1d4chan.org/wiki/Al-Sherar and our collaboration on Mars itself is making progress - my main contribution was the madman, 1d4chan.org/wiki/Vilyon_Luthier
Hey, this train wreck is completely unscheduled. There are NO STOPS.
Gavin Brown
You heard him people. No stops. No breaks...except for the last two.
Levi Edwards
Those were more like explosions.
Explosions of snakes.
Angel Adams
I should add some questions we got from Golgothos, who is returning or looking to write some stuff around the project. I wasn't too sure how to answer him, but figured we'd nut it out in thread: He writes:
>maybe you can help me figure out the general shape of the heresy nowadays, and the roles the Entombed play? I read the new Golgothos and the new Battle of Rai, both of which are much better than what I originally wrote. It seems like Golgothos is already legitimately dead-dead by Rai? Do the Entombed canonically take part in other battles of the Heresy, or is it more open? Is there still a battle at Ostium to censure the Voidwatcher?
Joseph Powell
And also from the man in the can, some fiction:
A faint whirring echoed through the byzantine halls of The Catacomb. Every angled nook and crook and barrow carried the noise for miles through the labyrinth of the fourth moon of Sepulchra. The grey, polished walls glimmered with phosphorescent fungi and marble streaks were arrayed in stark contrast to the detailed architecture. The sound whirred onward until it reached Lord Cardinal Mors’ ears. “One of them is awake.” he said on the Vox-channel within his Cataphractoi armored, skull-shaped helmet. Mors stood amongst the ashen open cavern his company called “checkpoint 7.” His companion stooped beneath him like a slave, though he was armored just as heavily. Severus, codicier of the VIth Legion, was a witch-slave. A thin silver cable reached from the back of Severus’ head, to a connector on Cardinal Mors’ wrist. The penalty for being a witch was heresy, but Severus had vowed not to use his powers at Nikaea, so he and the other sorcerors of The Entombed were allowed to live. Those who refused, or those who broke their owth and touched the warp, well, they were entombed with the Primarch, bless his name. And now one of them was whirring. Mors and Severus marched into a low chamber. Mors’ helmet analyzed the structure automatically, and a small holo-map kept track of the tunnels and caverns around him, and he used it to reach the very core of the moon. A massive stone door loomed above him. The stone had been worked, as if mixed while molten and cooled, so that a skull formed in quartzite crystals across the door. It was a skull of warning, a skull of hatred, and a skull of reverence. On its brow, emblazoned in red rubies, was a roman VI. (more)
Elijah Walker
Cardinal Mors tugged lightly on his slave’s cerebral cable, and Severus moved to touch the skull. Both men were intently silent. For the Entombed Legion, silence was a battlecry. The door, too, was silent, when it opened inward to reveal a massive spherical chamber beyond. Spiral walkways crooked around the sphere’s inner surface, emblazoned with rubies and gold. Dotting the chamber’s walls was a hexcomb pattern of ossuary nooks, shallow crevices, each with an iron cybernetic skull nestled in it as if it were at home. A thousand servo-skulls in all. “This place,” said Mors, “Is the home of the witches who did not bow to the Emperor’s will.” Severus nodded, “It is called the Basilica of Skulls.” At the bottom of the sphere, below Cardinal Mors and the slave Severus, stood a Statue of bone-wrought construction and massive scope. Its height reached up to the center of the sphere, and facing them directly was a massive iron skull. Its single massive eye glowed a dim red. Next to the glowing eye, encased in the iron, was a biological eye. It was held wide open by bone-wrought needles and clamps. A masterfully designed cybernetic array kept the eye moist. Mors knew that behind that Iron, and that eye, was a brain. An Iron cable of massive proportion snaked down from the bottom of the skull and worked into the Statue that Severus now realized was armor. The arms of the statue were folded in front of it in the sign of the aquila. The right hand was a massive fist of iron-plated bone stained brown with the blood of heretics. Set into the pauldrons of this bone-wrought monstrosity were rows of iron skulls. They were fused into the very matrix of the armor, never to be removed again. On the right pauldron a single skull had its mouth open. Servo-gears whirred and spun, as if it were speaking. (more)
Bentley Harris
Mors climbed down the walkways to reach the silently screaming skull. Severus hesitantly followed. “My lord… I can… Hear it…” whispered Severus, stooped low beneath his Lord. Mors reached out with his massive power fist, and placed it onto the whirring skull. “It says the Voidwatcher has broken the pact of Nikaea.” A sudden, screeching roar filled the chamber. The massive Iron skull at the head of the statue crooked around frenetically, in silent anguish. The servo-skulls across the dreadnought’s pauldrons glittered to life, and all began whirring as well. The sussurus of whirrs made music with the clanking of the spinal cable. The massive skull turned to face Severus, and the masterfully iron-encrusted jaw began to move. It spoke in a deep reverberating voice infused with anger and hate, “WITCHCRAFT! SORCERY! HERESY!” The chamber rumbled as the massive Dreadnought began to move its limbs.
In terms of namefaggoty. I am the [bad] writer for Aubrey, I spend most of my time messing around in Audacity and generally shit up the threads most of the time.
Everything is Snakes.
Eli Powell
Snakes on a train?
James Hughes
I will ride with snakes in a train, I will ride with snakes in a plane, I will fly with snakes all through space, I love those snakes you rockstar ace.
I've got the basic outline for that. Being a Dread, Golgothos goes steadily insane as the Crusade progresses. Dreadnoughts cannot sleep, their occupants are in constant, never-ending pain, and there are no emotional checks. So by the time the Rebellion breaks out he's completely snapped, and wants to remake the Entombed in his image by turning all 80,000 or so into Dreadnoughts. Fortunately (sadly) he's killed outright by Vrach, which in a twisted way saves the Entombed from being destroyed by their own Primarch.
Grayson Lewis
Good guy Johannes strikes again.
Cooper Martinez
I guess I should add the bit I can kinda answer. I have some idea about the shape of the Heresy war. Hektor raises his banner in the Segmentum Solaris and is in a position of double-encirclement. There's a couple of Loyalist Legions in the interior, but most of them are on the edges of the Galaxy. Hektor orders the traitors to cripple the exterior Loyalist like the Void Angels, Steel Marshals. The Silver Cataphracts are at Terra organising scorched earth defences, which may piss some people off (either triggering the defection of a Legion or just some companies). I think that Onyx should also be in the encirclement, so that he can get his heroic death in the Siege of Terra. The Vardhana will be pulling most of his Legion in to take part in the defence, too.
On the outside, the Loyalists mostly survive the attacks and start to cohere, Roman and Gaspard meet up in Pacificus to really drive into the Traitor cordon. Adding Golgothos to that mayhem would make some sense, but other things could be done with him.
Parker Myers
Alright, I had a random flash of insight this morning that I would like to share with the group (whoever missed it), and would like to post both my idea and my reasoning behind this.
>The Books of Merrill Initially, this was supposed to be a couple of books written by a Remembrancer based on the personal philosophies of Merrill, and the author was a combination of Nietzsche and Conrad (so a bit Nihilistic/Absurdist). The first book is a thesis that struggle is required for the improvement of an individual. A society composed of stronger individuals will inherently be stronger. Thus, the Long Night was necessary for the advancement of the Human race as a whole. We, as a species, are now stronger, smarter, faster, etc. The second book took the themes of the first and ran with them, being best summarized as an idea that civilization protects us from individual struggle by virtue of its existence. Without this struggle, Humanity will breed out its strengths due to a protection from natural selection. Therefore, civilization is an evil which must be expunged for the proper advancement of the Human race.
>Why this is important Overall, it really isn't. However it is my intention that these books are used as a guide for the Cult of Merrill, a group of extreme naturalists and anarchists which the IR frequently use as Pawns in 40k. It's a collection of thoughts and ideas that codifies the basic IR philosophy. When other Legions fight for Chaos, they're fighting for the Chaos gods. When the IR take to the field, they're fighting to destroy civilization as a whole. An idea that has been tossed around was that Merrill finds out the Eldar prediction for what happens if the Emperor dies (Terra becomes a new Eye of Terror, a new Chaos god arises, and every human worshipping Him becomes an instantaneous warp portal which brings all kinds of hellspawn into realspace, possibly tearing reality apart in the process). I figure for most other Chaos Space Marines
>cont
Oliver Mitchell
>cont from last
don't want exactly that. They want their god to reign supreme. Or they want their god to reign supreme. Or some other vision. Point is, they don't want that to happen. For the IR, that's exactly what they want. A galaxy free from civilization, where any and all survivors will spend the entirety of their lives caught in an endless battle for survival.
>The proposed change I'm thinking of changing the author. This was going to be a pair of philosophical books. I'm thinking changing it to be a couple of books written by a NotHunter S. Thompson type.
>inb4 someone goes off about Slaanesh and Fear and Loathing If you read any of his early work, the guy was an excellent reporter. He did his legwork. He talked to both sides of an issue. He took the time to thoroughly research and understand what he was writing about. But he ALWAYS was more interested in the underdog. When he wrote Hell's Angels, it was to show how much newspapers and magazines at the time were inflating the issues with biker gangs. He spent time with Civil Rights leaders, hippies, prostitutes, and pornographers to understand the seedy underbelly of society. The great unwashed lower classes. Not going to downplay his drug subscriptions (issues is too small a word), but one of the primary causes was that he lived in chronic pain. Part of his drug use was the pleasure and experience, part of it was to be able to survive.
tl;dr this is a journalist who loved the places that good, God-fearing suburbanites did not dare to tread. He found those that no one wanted to hear from and told their story, fully allowing himself to be colored by his own observations over a background of truths. If you want something to be written by a man who hates society or civilization as a whole, which starts out as an excellent reporter showing what he's learned and ends with him being a rambling, incoherent psychotic, name a better source.
Out of curiosity, does the Harakien Eldar Empire treat the Komra any differently than most Xenos due to their shared history?
Liam Turner
I don't actually know. The guy writing all our Eldar fluff has been gone for quite some time DEGuy, if you read this, we miss you
But you bring up a valid point. I'll go over both pages in greater detail, and see if we can figure something out with the guy writing the Komra.
Christian Parker
They believe themselves to be the successors to the Eldar Empire and as the Komra had been a part of that Empire for a while, I'd say they wish to subjugate them once again.
So in Eldar terms, they are amicable to them.
Blake Reyes
I have this mental image of a minor force of the Harkiens showing up to some isolated Komra world and attacking them because they didn't bother to look up the reccords regarding the Komera. Then the Komera sues them in Harkien court for violating the Baj-Ha treaty.
James Hill
This should probably be stated outright on their page in some way.
I like the way you think.
Nicholas Johnson
Fucking Dwarves.
Joseph Price
Just thought I'd pop in to say hello to our new neighbors.
Ryder Kelly
I wouldn't say we're exactly new per se, more like that neighbor that went away for college, but wasn't able to get a degree, so they moved back to their parent's bedroom.
Michael Lopez
Or that one junkie neighbor down the road you're afraid to talk to.
Julian Diaz
Holy fuckeroli, it's back.
So you guys have been working underground since you went dark here and on the forum eh? Any major advancements/changes?
Ian Gray
Aubrey is still a xeno fucker.
Grayson Sanchez
Little bits here and there. Uriel is in the middle of another rewrite. As is the IR and the SB/Tiran. I do think Arelex needs a rewrite as well.
A few other things have been expanded or streamlined.
Lumey tried and failed to take down the Dragons Fangs.
Ayden Stewart
We apparently now have dwarf lawyers.
Bentley Cox
SPACE Dwarf lawyers, thank you very much.
Ryan King
Wait? Huh? What? Where the fuck? Huh?
When was this a thing again?
Jack Thompson
Today.
Welcome to the snake pit traveler.
Liam Cruz
>mfw
Carson Allen
Yeah FUCK Aubrey. My Primarch is retconned but his hate still exists.
Noah Moore
Can I make my own legion now?
Brayden Rodriguez
Fucking Kranios.
Perhaps we can make something of you yet. Like a Captain who hates Aubreys guts.
I can dream. Zealots updates coming soon.
Hrrrrm, let me check....
Please hold.
Eli Stewart
Make him the Kharn of the setting and see what happens
Cooper Thomas
We do have an opening for the traitors...
Luis Murphy
Okay, which one? Khorne? Slaanesh? Tzeentch? Nurgle? I got concepts for all them. Well, Tzeentch's is out because we have like two Greek Legions already.
Xavier Jenkins
I'd prefer Loyalist though, but traitor is good.
Tyler Scott
On the topic of Kranios specifically, I think the idea was brought up but shot down to revive him after the inglorious death of Camaxtli and his ilk and didn't exactly get shot down, but Kranios would need a bit more development.
Undivided.
Adam Butler
Good enough! No loyalist though?
Caleb Davis
Nope. The 18 Legions and Primarchs rule is hard set.
Adrian Bailey
We got any characters building the Imperial Palace? Make Kranios a reverse Perturabo. The architecture primarch who hates architecture and is pissed off he has to stick around building and designing structures for the Emperor instead of winning glory
Grayson Butler
Okay, let's check out my ideas for an Undivided Legion.
>Death Worms Based on Ancient and Medieval China. Their primarch was the prime minister of a feudal world on the verge of unity. Like artillery and mass assaults with Imperial- wait a minute, these guys are the Silver Cataphracts!
>High Riders Based on biker gangs and cowboys. Primarch was a drifter on a desert world. They're obviously a tank legion. Obviously. sarcasm
>Warmakers Based on Renaissance-Era mercenaries. Primarch was a mercenary general on a late feudal world. Generalists.
Asher Cruz
>Writing out a legion
I just hope it's not Mastodontii. Although I never partook in further writing I couldn't but feel a little pride in them when I saw how you people continued on with them, especially how Tollund turned out and how close he came to what I originally had in mind for my own primarch back in the first thread.
Sebastian Edwards
That could also work. But, hey, if you hate yourself enough, you could always rejoin the project. I'm sure that if the original author was around, the group would be more than willing to help rebuild Kranios...
>Ancient and Medieval China Just... keep it subtle. Because even a hit of blatant Asian influences drives people into Weeaboo frenzy. (not a no from me, just a warning that this has been tried and failed for the same reason each time)
>Renaissance Mercs... Landesknecht the Legion? I like it.
And every time there's an opening, the Mastodontii are always among the first to be suggested.
Samuel White
>And every time there's an opening, the Mastodontii are always among the first to be suggested.
To be fair, they were an idea that was too good for the person who unfortunately ended up 'working' (in the loosest possible sense) on them. Given the right person, the idea of humanistic tank traitors with a Primarch who rebelled for the cause of humanity (The Anti-Vulkan) would go very far.
Owen Butler
Okay, so Death Worms are questionable. Primarchs
>High Riders Their primarch, Carter Cain, was found and raised on the deathworld Alador by a small farming family, until one day he came home and found bandits had killed them. After exacting revenge Cain became a drifter, wandering the deserts and doing odd jobs of the violent nature for towns he passed through, like Max Rockatansky combined with the Man with No Name (Though Max is just a postapoc MWNN really, so it's a bit redundant). Gets a name for himself, gets a posse, Emperor finds him, gives him a legion who happen to like bikes as much as him.
>Bon Jovi Good taste.
>Warmakers Villagulio landed on the planet Rexos, and was quickly discovered by a group of mercenaries camping nearby. When he was old enough to hold a sword he immediately entered the life of a soldier of fortune, and people quickly saw his aptitude. He rose swiftly through the ranks, and he and his company became the most feared mercenaries in all Rexos. Eventually, he was approached by a prince who offered a permanent contract; when Villagulio refused the prince revealed himself to be the Emperor, and convinced him to sign the contract and join the Imperium by appealing to his greed.
Juan Morales
I've thought about volunteering to take them on a couple of times, but writing two Legions as it stands is a bit too much for my schedule. I also wanted to steal Arelex away from Lumey and give them a complete makeover as a Legion who fights using explosive forward advances to strategic footholds and developing strong supply lines. Which would fit their development of the Atalantos Worlds.
>Bon Jovi is good taste Do you happen to reside in New Jersey? Just a guess. Don't get me wrong, they're fun, but few would call them "good taste."
>Emperor appealing to his greed For some reason I don't see this happening. Everything we've seen of him, he either appeals to the good nature or desire for power and advancement. Or he simply tells them to go fuck themselves, they're getting on the goddamn ship. Just some ideas.
Parker Thomas
No, I'm from Alabama. Like, the exact opposite of New Jersey.
Not greed? Maybe his ambition? His desire to be part of something bigger?
Justin Cruz
face looks way too feminine and young tbqh lads
John Bell
Hektor's face you mean? I mean, he does look a little young (though the scar ages him a bit I think), but I don't see feminine
Jack Gonzalez
>Definitely not Jersey Fair enough, and sorry for the comparison. It's just that the only people I've met who openly really enjoy Bon Jovi usually come from Jersey. Most people register it as a guilty pleasure or some such.
>Not greed Greed is rarely a pure motivation for one's actions. Few people are greedy for the sake of greed. Most often they wish to accomplish something with that money, whether it's improving the world around them, and they slip and fall along the way, or they seek power, authority, respect, or safety.
>Back to biker cowboys The only issue is the bike dealio. It took a lot to figure out how to start differentiating the SB from the White Scars in the first place, and the whole Task and Organization needs to be redone to reflect this. Point is, if you do bike hit and run, then you're White Scars in cowboy hats.
For reference, the new SB model uses the speed and mobility of bikes in order to outrun their enemies (and exhaust them), outmaneuver them (and crush them with massive strikes of Space Marines directly), and run them down (combination of the two), with Hit and Run attacks being used only to guide an opponent's direction, as opposed to the primary method of attack.
If you can figure something out about the bikes that allows them to stand out, I'd go with it. Aside from that, I like the idea, but I would hang onto it for the time being.
Carson Thomas
Eh, honestly I'm not worried about them being similar to White Scars, because cavalry IS hit and run and reconnaissance.
Hold on, let me see what else I have.
>Rho Defenders General Legion, primarch was general, based on Hollywood space marines
>Ice Talons Bike legion, all about attacking, based on Vikings.
Unfortunately my other two ideas are strictly Loyalist and Khornate/renegade respectively.
Elijah Bennett
>Eh, honestly I'm not worried about them being similar to White Scars, because cavalry IS hit and run and reconnaissance. To add, I also feel cowboys and bikers aren't exactly warrior-like enough.
Adam Sanders
>continuing thought after toilet break
I really like the idea, it's badass. I think it should be kept whether or not it's decided to make them a Legion. Perhaps as a Renegade Warband that hails from some disparate or corrupted Scale Bearers stock?
For one reason or another, they split from their respective Chapter and wandered into the warp, collecting traitors to their own banner and spreading Chaos in their wake while going the way of THE Cowboys.
Anthony Hughes
Honestly, the concept was originally loyalist, but I felt they could also work as a traitor legion. Same with Warmakers.
Austin Perry
BTW, what legion would this replace?
Luke Wilson
The Crimson Teeth
Aaron Jenkins
What about the Black Augurs? They're so over the top evil it's not even funny. Like 'How could the Emperor even think these guys were ever trustworthy'?
Luis Flores
The Voidwatcher and Black Augurs are possibly kinda maybe getting rewritten to tone it down a bit. Sorry Voidy
Jack Parker
>Because even a hit of blatant Asian influences drives people into Weeaboo frenzy. I was just thinking... What if I went full weeb with a samurai legion?
Not literally weeb, because contrary to popular belief Japan-themed things can be done tastefully. Like... My samurai knight house... Which already exists...
Shit, never mind.
Easton Cruz
Speaking of, we need more for Goda. The Knight Houses are some of the more interesting stuff in there. What Legions Goda fought alongside, some of their actions in the Rebellion, stuff like that.
Jackson Thomas
Hey, no worries. We've discussed a few different methods of trying to tackle Asian culture without being too weeaboo in the past. I think I even suggested one that got shot down in favor of another idea.
>inb4 it's brought up I'm not shooting this down at all, just giving you a head's up. If you want to do it, prepare for instant and harsh critique from all sides.
Charles Martinez
I'll get to that, Ghalhal, and Markia once I've got the basics to this legion down.
Noah Foster
Eh, I'll settle with a knight house as the setting's token Asian people.
Actually... Nah, I can make space marine samurai work. Just make them less HONORABRU WARRIORS and more brutal warmongers who wouldn't even touch a katana. As for Goda... Well, we do have like three space German armies in Prime 40K.
>Tiger Warriors Space samurai, bikers, love ferocious close combat...
Like Goda.
Fuck it, back to the other three.
What about these two: Want me to elaborate on these, or should I go back to the Warmakers?
Adrian Barnes
I think some elaboration wouldn't hurt. Again, this all isn't up to me, I'm just the only fucker on here because of time differences and a preference to getting blind drunk and staying home on the 4th.
>Tiger Warriors
If you want to try that, you can, but make sure you cover the Japanese references so that it's something that only people in the know would be able to tell. Personal thoughts: maybe do something along the lines of the immediate pre-Meiji samurai with hierarchy philosophy from the Hagakure as a reference. IE, brutal and savage but competent warriors who have no qualms killing their lessers (and I mean regular humans) over slight insults and mistakes mixed with unswerving loyalty to their immediate commanders to the point of ridiculousness. They ALL join the Heresy simply because their Primarch decided it was necessary.
James Scott
>Onyx the Indestructible This was garbage and should be thrown out
Jayden Long
You're not alone in thinking that. There's been a lot of desire to cut Onyx and/or merge him with Golgothos and the Entombed.
Jayden Cooper
Onyx has been a polarizing bit. Some want him cut entirely, some want him to stay as he was without changing a thing. Some of our characters represent the grimdark of the 40k universe. Onyx represents the old rogue trader days.
From one of the few who's in the middle on the subject, I prefer to keep him not out of some sense of nostalgia or love of the ridiculous. It's more that we have a lot of asshole characters doing asshole things. It's nice to have something big, goofy, and slightly over-the-top to get a little more levity out of the subject matter.
And yes, I am aware that it might be hypocritical when I just suggested having Hunter S. Thompson writing a few books that become the center of cult worship. Although considering how some people treat Fear and Loathing, it might not be far off the mark...
Henry Adams
You're making good points. Still, better err on the side of caution.
But it's so tempting even though I already have a Space Japan faction.
Eh, fuck it. It's not like the specifically samurai guys would step on the toes of the "History of Japan from the Feudal Era to the Meiji Restoration shoved into one planet" guys.
>Ogre Legion The Ogre Legion is the Astartes legion of Overlord Rokuten, a fierce warmonger from the planet Angor. The superhuman space marines of the Ogre Legion seek war and glory, and so they find it in the midst of the Great Crusade. Bloodthirsty warriors, the Ogre Legion's hosts rush headfirst into battle seeking honor for their legion and their lord.
So it could make room for me to make a loyalist legion.
Kevin Perez
>the setting's token Asian people. What about the Eyes of the Emperor?
Ethan Ramirez
Indians aren't Asian, they're American.
Okay, fine. EAST Asian.
Austin Jackson
>Not changing name to reflect my poor life decisions Shame on me.
Robert Smith
There's a lot of minority themed legions in the setting. Plains Indians, Moroccan French, Russians, the list goes on.
Blake Thompson
Moroccan French? Where?
Landon Morales
The Void Angels are not specifically Moroccan French. If you take a look at Antoine Antonelle, he's a metropolitan Gaul, while Fabrice Diallo is Ivorian. Uli Dreier is German (maybe Alsatian). There's no picture for Mai Dac Kien, but it's not the most Moroccan name in the world.
Jordan White
Toning down? MY Black Augurs? UNACCEPTABLE
Joking aside, what were you guys thinking? Because I did a little expansion of them myself, but non of it was really toned down that much. Mostly because I did it while listening to Free Bird on repeat for several hours.
Blake Ortiz
>Personal thoughts: maybe do something along the lines of the immediate pre-Meiji samurai with hierarchy philosophy from the Hagakure as a reference. IE, brutal and savage but competent warriors who have no qualms killing their lessers (and I mean regular humans) over slight insults and mistakes mixed with unswerving loyalty to their immediate commanders to the point of ridiculousness. They ALL join the Heresy simply because their Primarch decided it was necessary. Reading the Hagakure, found this in the first few pages:
>Being a retainer is nothing other than hemp a supporter of one’s lord, entrusting matters of good and evil to him, and renouncing self-interest.
Yeah, these guys are gonna be some stupid myrmidons.
Caleb Mitchell
Let's be honest: The Black Augurs are so obviously evil, backstabbing and scheming that they are literally Skaven: the Legion. They should technically be one of the Lost Legions, because the Emperor would take one look at them and go 'Nope!' as hard as possible.
Landon Adams
I don't really think they should be toned down. All they really need is to be put on a curve, starting at "a little bit evil" and sloping up towards "EEEEEvil!!!"
Cooper Watson
Like this?
Wyatt Watson
Well, yeah.
My internal justification used to be that it was mainly just because the Emperor needed the Voidwatcher to sit the Golden Throne eventually, but that doesn't really make sense no matter how you slice it.
Their decline into treachery and dickishness can be a lot more gradual than it is. I was going kinda overboard in the old threads.
My thoughts exactly.
I was thinking about Nikaea. Would it be too ridiculous to say that the Voidwatcher basically throws the thing so he has more reason to push his legion away from the Imperium?
Slowly progresses from "Sorry for being such an dick." to "Why can't I stop being such an evil dick?" to "Fuck it, I love being the evilest motherfuckers in the galaxy." Then just five straight minutes of sorcery, betrayal, and murder.
Hunter Hall
Someone help me set up a summoning circle with a synthesizer, some LSD, and a few other choice bits so we can get DJ TZ back.
Ian Rogers
Who?
Connor Cooper
Das ist Zorg
Isaiah Perry
He used to pop in and share a bit of music from time to time
Wait, that was you?
Cameron Carter
We are all Zorg.
Logan Barnes
I'm not. I'm Gorz.
Daniel Rodriguez
...
Zachary Baker
We are all Zorg, Zorg is all one, one is all Zorg, Zorg is the one the one with the gun stuffed into his buns for pleasure and fun so you better go run before I come with my gun in my buns or we'll have some fun.
