Who wins this, assuming both know exactly where the others are?

True. I'm less familiar with Starcarft and the abilities of Protoss in general, though it seems that in terms of basic kit the Banshees have quite a number of advantages.

>even killing 1 or 2 zealots before the two sides close in will be enough.

We're talking about a unit that has personal shields of such strength that it shrugs off a solid few dozen rounds from the C-14, the standard issue Marine rifle

starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/C-14_rifle

>In use by 2478, the C-14 fires hypersonic 8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes" which can penetrate up to two inches of steel plating. The rounds themselves are encased in steel.

TLDR shuriken pistols aren't going to do shit

protoss dont have ears, they are a psionic race

how does a death wail effect them?

it's a psionic scream.

The wail is psychic in nature.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Banshee_Mask

Protoss can detect sound.

Shuriken pistols can kill SM in full armor. Which is thicker than two inches of steel plating.

Yeah, Eldar guns tend to be pretty fucking good, despite looking weak.

>Which is thicker than two inches of steel plating.

I don't think you know what an inch is.

...

He's got over an inch of plating on his hand. His chest significantly more so. His helmet also thicker.

>>In use by 2478, the C-14 fires hypersonic 8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes" which can penetrate up to two inches of steel plating. The rounds themselves are encased in steel.

A bolter round pierces 8 inches of plasteel and it's well known that a shuriken is superior to the bolter at piercing armor.

>storm bolter
>standard firearm
How the times have changed for non-Grey Knights.

I thought the whole point of bolters was that the rounds explode inside dudes. Surely something that can blast through a foot of steel would just go straight through their enemies and explode behind them.

Really one sided. Banshees are faster as well as more skilled and experienced. Protoss are fucked as soon as they're within earshot. At range, Banshee Howls leave you paralysed as the screams completely fucks your central nervous system. At close range it can outright kill you. Precog won't help you when you're having a seizure on the floor.

And then there's the Exarch. She will wipe the floor with half that squad. Zealots have *gasp* decades of experience! Banshee exarch has millennia.

>decades
centuries**
plus a collective mind of experience

Consider the design of their melee weapon. Wrist blades vs sword.

Historically, only one of those has been used for serious combat.

Barring shooting at xenos made of sponges or similar lack of density, bolt rounds are on a very short fuse.

Eldar are actually incredibly shitty when it comes to combat like that. A better match would be ten zealots versus 10 Vanguard Veteran Space Marines.

Eldar get killed by wooden shrapnel.

I think the Protoss get the edge due to their shields.

The Banshee's shout wouldn't penetrate that, in my mind. And the Psi-Blades of the Zealots would probably fuck up Eldar more than normal weaponry because its a Psi-Weapon hitting a psychically attuned species.

It'd be pretty close. I'd say two or three Protoss survive after the battle.

No, it's decades. Says so on the SC2 website.

>"Ever eager for advancement, they train for decades in hand-to-hand combat, tactics, pain tolerance and martial discipline."

Actually its we do not have concrete number on how ancient protoss are. They say they live for aeos, but they are uplifted by another race? they still have tribal society, their "aoens" can be shorter then ours so i think protoss actually younger than human race.

>8 mm armor-piercing metal "spikes"
You know what's better at piercing armor ?

Discs that are only a few molecules thick.

>Eldar get killed by wooden shrapnel.

Remember that GK that got killed by a wooden spear? Banshees kill marines as easily as Orks.

No they don't. Shuriken weapons STRUGGLE to penetrate power armor as seen when the traitors of the Avenging Sons Chapter clashed with Eldar Corsairs. The Cosairs struggled to penetrate power armor with shuriken weaponry and it took repeated hits to score kills. Shurikens are meant as anti light infantry weapons, good for murdering scores of guardsmen. Against armored targets they're awful and lack mass necessary to put shit down.

Jesus fucking christ, howbout you piss off with your bullshit fan fiction picture. This is what a space marine looks like without armor on according to canon.

Btw if we compare terran marine armor to power armor, then protoss golden plate even more stronger since it has 1 base armor, and marine has 0.

Space Marine armor is more than 2 inches at its thickest, and has defensive characteristics superior to steel.

Sorry, your fagdoss aren't shrugging these shots off.

Even if shields could for whatever reason block psychic attacks, they have to drop them in order to use physical contact-based psionic abilities. They're dead the moment the Banshees reach them.

No they don't. Space Marines uttelry slaughter Banshees considering that Craftworlds have frequently gotten trashed by them. Craftworlds have millions to billions of Eldar on them, and for example the Invaders Chapter destroyed an entire Craftworld. That means at minimum that a thousand space marines took on MILLIONS of Eldar and slaughtered them. Same with the Sons of Orar when they attacked Alaitoc with the backup of the local Guard Regiments- they nearly had destroyed Alaitoc and only stopped because it turned out that their cause was false and spawned from heresy, and they weren't willing to meet mutually assured destruction from the Eldar naval reinforcements that popped out of the Webway.

>No they don't. Shuriken weapons STRUGGLE to penetrate power armor

>can
>being possible
>which it is

user, a lucky lasbolt can kill a Marine in Terminator Armor.

They slash the shit out of people through the shields in the SC games.

And why wouldn't the shields block Psi-based attacks when the Protoss are a Psychic species? Their weapons are concentrated Psi-Energy, as are their shields. I have always assumed that as well.

They dont drop shields. And i think dont having a cheap charge upgrade for zealots is unfair, since its the soul of the unit. Its like having templars without storm, what the point.

Feedback and archons?

>you know what's superior to 8mm spikes with a shitload of mass and velocity
>thin discs only a few molecules thick

Nigga do you even physics? Realistically shurikens should be fucking useless, and their virtually zero mass should result in them splintering harmlessly against armor. High velociites plus low mass does not lend itself well at all to armor penetration, you need heavy shaped objects traveling at an ideal speed. Go too slow and they fail and ping off, go too fast and they shatter on the armor and do minimal damage. This for example is why the US hasn't increased the power of the cannons on the Abrams Tank- any faster would REDUCE penetration.

Of course the spiker should also suffer from this as well, because hypersonic metal spikes would have reduced penetration compared to just being fired at supersonic speeds. So they wouldn't simply explode on contact.

>Shurikens are meant as anti light infantry weapons

I don't think you've ever read anything on Shuriken weapons, because you're talking absolute shite. They're universally good at anti-infantry because of a high volume of fire and mono-molecular ammunition. They kill terminators with concentrated fire as they fire hundreds of shots in a single second and it only takes one shot to find its way through an eye lens or respirator to kill.

Then phoenix died his psiblade turns off because zerg destroyed all the pylons.
And emp destroys shields.
So one might think: Blades - projection of psipowers of the whole race through pylons, shield - energy technological thing

There is a gulf of difference between 'can' and 'effective'. I can kill a a knight in full plate armor with a single crossbow bolt, but only if I'm really, really, really lucky.

Yes, it can.

Clearly the discs are made of some incredibly strong substance just to survive the air friction between the gun and the target.

Yeah, build templars for feedback. Good luck with that.

The shields are psi powered, but tech focused.

>Marine fag comes into thread that has nothing to do with marines to wank marines
>Hasn't even read the codex entry on Banshees
>Doesn't know the entire point of Banshees is to kill marines and MEQ
>References a book series where Striking Scorpions slaughtered marines in every single skirmish they had with them despite being anti-light infantry specialists

Classic marine-fag.

>it only takes one shot to find its way through an eye lens or respirator to kill
Make way for the Lasgun.

Yeah but shuriken weapons don't just have to rely on a failed save to bypass marine armor like a lasgun does.

Or you know how to aim and are in effective range for penetrating his armor.

Yes they do drop shields in CC. They make a point of it in the graphic novels.

How fucking tzinch could not make someone invent mobile guidance computers to oneshot all the space marines?

>lasguns have rending

Somebody should tell the writers that then, because they certainly don't agree. We've seen the Craftworld Eldar in combat often in the novels and codices, and they almost always get their asses kicked because they're GW's little punching bag in the fluff. From getting out-maneuvered by the Ultramarines despite having a Farseer council, losing an entire Craftworld to a single Chapter, completely ignoring their chief greatest seer of the species (and getting nommed by Tyranids), the constant deaths of the Avatar in the most embarrassing fashion, getting their asses kicked by the Avenging Sons, and dying from wooden pieces of shrapnel penetrating armor, etc.

Cratworld Eldar don't perform well at fucking all in the fluff excluding most of the Phoenix Lords. Although even Jain Zar got her ass handed to her by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines and Karandras got mulched by a Dreadnought.

Dark Eldar and Harlequins of course perform much, much, much better. Harlequins are pretty much gods of melee.

>know how to aim and are in effective range for penetrating his armor
Lucky for us, /k/ isn't here. A knight'd shoot you before that happen.

Not mono-molecular is it?

>mobile guidance computers
A.I. or Machine Spirit guided?

Not against late medieval/early modern plate armor, which will no sell a crossbow bolt and glance it off, not to mention that a crossbow bolt will only cause flesh wounds if it manages to penetrate. Aiming a crossbow is also a joke against fast moving targets.

Raszagal was about a thousand years old and remembered being exiled from Aiur as a child.

If lasguns are truly laser guns, they'd be energy.

Neither, you dont need fucking spirit or intellect to do guidance computations. Fucking calculator and few motors will do that.

Year is a period of time for Earth to orbit the Sun once. Our Earth. Auir can orbit faster. Or slower.

BL is shit and ignores codex fluff? Wowee! Just read the muntorm and codex entries on what the weapon is actually designed for. They are very good at anti-armour.

>Although even Jain Zar got her ass handed to her by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines and Karandras got mulched by a Dreadnought.

I've read those novels. None of that happened. Jain Zar killed a dozen of Talos' honour guard with kicks and punches. She didn't take a single hit. Compare that to Curze who got shanked twice by ten marines. She then effortlessly beat Talos who ignited his fusion pack and a clutch of grenades in an attempt to suicide kill her. He died, she didn't. It took a dreadnaught to follow. The Night Lords warband suffered a crushing defeat with only a handful escaping Jain's forces. Karandras didn't even fight the dreadnaught. He pushed Morlaniath and the former Incubi out the way whilst catching the Dreads claw. He died for less than a paragraph before getting back up and hunting down the dread.

So yeah, you're clearly full of shit and are trying to bend facts here.

>Fucking calculator and few motors will do that

Good thing she was a thousand "of your Terran years" old then.

What about the time Asurman failed to stop Chaos cultists from igniting a Chaos weapon.

Or the story from Eternal Crusade where Jain Zar dies and gets thrown into the Warp.

>Fucking calculator

>[BINARY KANT INTENSIFIES]

Actually it's perfectly in line with Codex fluff as Codex fluff is what has a thousand or so space marines killing millions to billions of Eldar.

And no, Jain Zar did get her ass kicked because what actually happened was her getting slowly bled, and even getting shanked in the ankle by a dying Chaos Space Marine. She then got blown up by Talos, which frankly makes her pretty dogshit considering the closest thing that Eldar have to a Primarch shouldn't be taken out by a single squad of Chaos Space Marines. Phoenix Lords are supposed to be army-slaughtering power houses like Maugan Ra, who killed millions of Tyranids all by himself and cut a Bio-Titan in half.

Likewise Karandras shouldn't have been killed by a slow moving Dreadnought considering Eldar are capable of moving at supersonic speeds, especially a Phoenix Lord.

Zealots have a short range dash that they can do, at least in SC2.

The same stories where Asurmen destroys those very same chaos weapons along with the Daemon Prince trying to use it? The same story where Jain comes back two short stories later? What about the bit before it where she killed a Hive Tyrant to use as a ramp to run up and kill the DA captain effortlessly?

I like how upon getting called out for complete bullshit, you just changed the subject.

How about that time Curze couldn't take those ten marines whereas Jain could? Remember when Guilliman got his ass beat by a squad when he was in custody and didn't have his armour. How about we get stated on all Vulkan's pathetic deaths? The man is afraid of forks.

And most importantly one has a bolter.

I wonder how some Eldar can have Guardians throw away their lives so easily considering their supposed worth.

Needs an upgrade.

>I like how upon getting called out for complete bullshit, you just changed the subject.

I am not the same guy you were talking to before. I was curious to see your response to these events.

>Killing an entire warband down to less than a dozen men is "getting your ass kicked"
>Talos succeeds in killing only himself
>This all happens in their own novel

Jain outperformed a primarch. Just read what happened to Curze when he faced only ten Night Lords.

>has a thousand or so space marines killing millions to billions of Eldar.

I think we might be waiting for a source on that a very long time...

>GHOSTCRUSHER

>Ghostcrusher became legend due to the horrific deeds enacted on Craftworld Ila-Manesh. In 326.M33 a huge warband of the Night Lords descended from the darkness of the Warp on a mission of revenge. Their aim was simply to eradicate the world’s spirit stones, many of which had previously been stolen from the crone world of Aesyl-Sar. While delivering justice for this past Eldar sin, the Night Lords unleashed several Defilers. One of these, Ghostcrusher, stood out as a particularly savage machine beast. The Daemon Engine spearheaded a Night Lords assault upon the Shrine of Eldanesh, incinerating ancient tomes, crushing sacred totems, destroying spirit stones and burning the Guardians who attempted to prevent the desecration. So thorough were the Night Lords in their assault on Ila-Manesh that they left the craftworld a tomb, with no artifacts and no living Eldar remaining.

>was her getting slowly bled

Where? Up until Talos killed himself she was literally going 'NYOHOHOHOHOHOO' and giving him a gold clap after walking straight through a dozen marines who only managed a single scratch across her chest piece.

I don't see any numbers there. Was this an Idharae sized craftworld? How many warbands and daemons?

Except it already exists, and is called the 6th Edition Space Marine Codex? The Invaders Chapter destroyed the entire Craftworld of Idharae. This means they at least went toe to toe with millions, potentially billions of Eldar and slaughtered them all. We know from the Iyanden Supplement that the Eldar aren't really dying out, considering large craftworlds have populations either the same as modern earth or even greater.

And we also have fluff of Primarchs butchering Avatars of Khaine and slaughtering platoons worth of Marines while shrugging off artillery shells.

A single warband. It can't be above 1000 marines.

She got tagged by glances and a knife was shoved into her leg by a dying chaos space marine she taunted.

Again, a proper Phoenix Lord should hav

>We know from the Iyanden Supplement that the Eldar aren't really dying out, considering large craftworlds have populations either the same as modern earth or even greater.

No, you don't. Iyanden was simply the most populous Craftworld before the Tyranids attacked.

I like how the Eldarfags disregard their lore when it suits them.

*should have slaughtered all 100 Night Lords without getting killed. Maugan Ra or Fuegan could have done it, but Jain Zar apparently is just really, really shitty.

Which was basically retconned by the Iyanden Supplement, as we know at their height prior to ignoring Eldrad for no fucking reason (retardation), they had a population in the BILLIONS. Basic logic tells us that if the norm for large Craftworlds like Iyanden is billions, then the other ones have millions easily.

Also the doom of the Eldar is totally overblown if we count the Dark Eldar, of whom there are countless trillions given the sheer size of the Dark City. You might as well go bitch at GW for having no sense of scale.

How does an SC2 marine compare to a guardsman, assuming no upgrades or special equipment?

We also have them dying to cutlery, being wounded by Shuriken fire and getting strangled by Orks. No wait, that was the Emperor. If we're searching for worst moments here you're giving me the advantage. Primarch fuck ups and deaths are way more common thanks to the HH.

Disregard the Eldarfags bit. That guy isn't one but the sentiment is still valid.

As for Eldar numbers, Gav-T aka the Loremaster and Eldar expert said in an interview that he sees the numbers of Eldar on major craftworlds in the low tens of millions while minor craftworlds are in the hundreds of thousands.

Just because the population fell eventually doesn't mean other large craftworlds can be in the same ballpark. Kelly stated in an interview craftworlds can number from millions to billions in population. It's retarded to assume that a ship the size of a planet has a population smaller than a city.

Which is directly contradicted by published material, and therefore irrelevant.

Not to mention it was Gav Thorpe who had a Striking Scorpion die to a spike of wood going through his armor.

Not all craft world's are equally populated. Also how many civy learn just left via a Web way when the invasion occurred? Most likely alot

>no one understands all the fluff is a bunch of propaganda bullshit and hyperbole by whatever side is telling the story to make it sound better/more monstrous to benefit them

Eldar do NOT flee when the Craftworld is under attack, they band together and fight as the Guardian Militia. Losing a Craftworld is a horrible fate and if any of your family is in the Infinity Circuit, it means they'll all get fed to Slaanesh.