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What is the biggest improvement Promethean 2e has over its predecessor?

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>What is the biggest improvement Promethean 2e has over its predecessor?

They made a conscious choice to reach out to their unspoken majority of fans who are oppressed by the rpg market in general

How so?

It's much more inclusive.

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>What is the biggest improvement Promethean 2e has over its predecessor?
Pilgrimage is clearer/easier.

I don't see it as an improvement. Pilgrimage is supposed to be difficult, nearly impossible. Not a series of steps.

>What is the biggest improvement Promethean 2e has over its predecessor?

>and minor qashmallim cloaked in human shape have quietly started continent-consuming wars.

That a qashmal caused WW 1 and/or 2

Giving the Pilgrimage a mechanical skeleton you build together as part of character creation.

Yeah but you don't know what you're talking about.

Atamajakki, can you answer my question about size limitations on Uncreated from the last thread?

Is there anything stopping an inch-tall Warhammer 40k figurine come to life from running around burning vampires to death with Vulcanus and Luciferus while they flail around trying and failing to hit a teeny-tiny enemy, or from someone bringing the Statue of Liberty to life so that she can go and stomp their enemies to death?

no u

how the fuck would atamajakki know?

atamajakki is life, atamajakki is love, atamajakki is our all-knowing benevolent god

He's a dev, isn't he?

All I can tell you is that I wouldn't allow it at my table, user.

It's important to note that I A) don't know shit and B) don't work for OPP.

no, he's just another tranny like aspel,except he doesn't post as much

He's saying they used non-standard pronouns. He's mostly being a shit.

Except that it's literally always been a series of steps that was intended to be possible to complete. Milestones have always been a thing, and Promethean has always been the most focused game. They're just making it a lot more defined.

Unfleshed. And he's not a developer or anything, he just played a Playtest. He knows just as much as you do.

I'd maybe allow a mini Promethean under the same logic as Grandfather Crow, but I wouldn't allow a giant statue Promethean.

Oh, derp. My bad, man.

What is it with OP/WW and trannies

I'd be more amenable to the concept if it wasn't being pitched as "how hilarious would it be to have a tiny commissar yelling about heresy" and was instead anything resembling a functional character.

They made a deliberate choice to only employ freaks as writers and devs. So you get a game for trannies and other such nonsense, because that's who it's written, edited and released by

idunno, what is it with Veeky Forums and trannies? we've had at least 3 in wod generals

maybe it's that they're people like everyone else and have hobbies like everyone else

that the same things that drive people into hobbies of escapism and fantasy happen to trannies because they're people too

I know this is bait but you realize nearly all of the major developers are are cis white men, right? Hunter 2e wouldn't be pushing for more diverse freelancers if they already had a ton of options available to them.

Please go away, Rory.

Disquiet is divided into 2 phases.

steps 1 and 2 which happen all the damn time.
>-2 penalty on social interactions.

steps 3 and 4 which can only happen in wastelands.
>Everyone comes to kill you.

More structured and still strong. Is nice.

>They made a deliberate choice to only employ freaks as writers and devs.
only one co-developer is a transanything
every other developer is a straight white male
except hunter, which has a straight white female

>nearly all of the major developers are are cis white men

I like how you just assume you can speak for them on their gender and ethnic identities. You bigoted piece of shit.

Don't forget that Disquiet should be based on your Lineage; a Galateid is going to have obsessed stalkers compared to a Frankenstein's amgry mob.

Well isn't that selfish, shouldn't they be doing tranny things like prostitution and aids infected cum swapping parties? Why do they have to invade my hobbies? You don't see me in those parties.

Why do people always try this post? It's never as clever, funny, or eye-opening as they think it is. It's like when people post "like Tumblr" ironically, because it's not like posting things ironically has ever backfired on an image board before.

>You don't see me in those parties.
well we don't see your face at least

Can we please just skip to the part of the culture war where we start killing each other so all this bullshit saber rattling can be over with already?

A very cis male attitude

Are you implying only males can want to kill each other?

That's sexist, you hack.

Women create life in their very bodies, hey are peaceful by their nature. Men stab women (and other men) with their cocks on a daily basis, their biology is violence.

The pronouns are awful in this book...could barely get through the phosphorus refinement. I liked the idea of the refinement in general but funk that was an annoying read.

But Trannies have cocks too, that makes them just as sexually violent too.

>assuming you can speak for trans people without knowing them

bigot

They're our hobbies. Playing pretend is inherently queer. You're gay, you just don't know it yet.

Please stop being a weird stalker.

I mean, I'd reject that character, probably, and that kind of personality probably wouldn't fit with Unfleshed. But I wouldn't be against the idea in general.

DaveB confirmed that Deviant's subtitle is indeed in the brochure.

>except hunter, which has a straight white female
She wrote an ERP book for Vampire. She's probably a bit bi.

Well what IS it?

Deviant: the Frutang

Don't toy with me like this

I'm pretty sure Fillamena Young devved for Strange, Dead Love, not MonicaV.

She wrote for it.

If you know what Veeky Forums is, have navigated to Veeky Forums, and are posting or even just reading the fucking Chronicles of Darkness general you 100% jack off to trap porn and have been voting far-left liberal since it became the only option that even flirted with the concept of value twenty fucking years ago. There are two actual retards and neither of them have ever left /a/, everyone else is just pretending to be retarded.

Also the trans developer is the best developer, whose line is the only one that consistently accomplishes its themes, runs smooth, and doesn't degenerate into thousand-page slugfests over whether Time is INHERENTLY unplayable or could be salvaged by some user's illegible homebrew if only anyone gave a shit. Vampire is the game with the most attention from the audience, pretty much the flagship of Chronicles as a whole, and also the one with the least negative shit to say about it. Literally the worst criticism I've even heard is that the Strix are unnecessary because the game functions perfectly well without referencing them.

It's almost like this pronoun shit is just unrelated, irrelevant flickers in the books of people who are only pretending to give a shit, just like you, dear reader.

i forgot this was real. did anyone read it? what was in it?

So did the Shan'iatu replace/become the Judges with their great sacrifice? The Judges created them but Book of the Deceived implies they existed without the Judges then used Ammut/Dark Mother juju to become their own god-fathers, while Dreams of Avarice has them stealing into Duat like thieves in the night and having empty barren manors in the City of Black Spines, where the Arisen's collection of relics and the sekhem therein makes their existences tolerable. But then why do the Judges punish Arisen for going off mission re: relics? And why does badmouthing Irem score a sekhem hit if the Judges seem like the sort to not care...unless they are all secretly the founders.

Or was that 'pass a scepter from the left hand to the right' line meant to imply that since the temakh who became the Shan'iatu were made from the Judges, as the Shan'iatu changed and became proud and corrupt so did the Judges?

>Vampire is the game with the most attention from the audience, pretty much the flagship of Chronicles as a whole, and also the one with the least negative shit to say about it.

And still we await the fucking Covenants book. It has been plural years coming. I want V20 to slow its fucking roll and let VtR get some new shit sometime too

You know, I want to argue with that, but Vampire probably IS the most cohesive...

I mean if I'm going to argue I could point out that no one can vote far-left even though it's the only option that even flirts the concept of value; I mean, election system is fucked and two party ruins everything.

Hey guys Im new to WoD and while I own a few 1e nWoD books like Vampire and Mage Ive actually been considering switching to oWoD just to see how different they are. Im kind of OCD about completeness though and was wanting to invest in the Vampire the Masquerade 20th Anni edition. Ive read the PDF and its really great. Was curious if the Vampire the Dark Ages 20th Anni edition holds up alongside it cause I wanna see what its like to play Vampre in an older setting. Is it worth it to get it or can I just get the 1e of The Dark Ages?

Holy shit, yes. Satanic Lancea Sanctum heresies and an actual system for Ordo Dracul toys (that are finally yours now instead of that bullshit "you can't keep a Wyrm's Nest lol" clause from 1e) please.

I want Paradox to get cracking on a new edition so Onyx Path can properly refocus, but I know the terrible truth is they won't refocus onto Chronicles anyway, it'll be Scion and Aeon and Cavaliers of Mars that get the love.

>Ive actually been considering switching to oWoD just to see how different they are
Don't do it, it's a trap.

I am real excited for Scion 2e so I'm okay with that but really want the CofD books which have only their one 2e core book to start getting their second round of material. I feel like the 20th anniversary shit is drowning everything out. Dark Ages was cool though

> Ive actually been considering switching to oWoD just to see how different they are.
>Im kind of OCD about completeness though and was wanting to invest in the Vampire the Masquerade 20th Anni edition.

Don't do it user, your wallet and enjoyment of games will thank us.

I'm not, I'm just friends with someone who knew your name. But regardless, the fact that I'm always able to pinpoint you in a thread should come as no surprise considering you insert yourself into nearly every conversation you can in each post. The lust for (You)'s is unreal.

Do explain

Its not that 2e Vampire Requiem is bad its just I prefer having all those clans from Bloodlines Im familiar with and all those nice juicy level 9 disciplines.

It's amazing

i'll get this in the morning

The level 9 Devotions are dumb. And, really, you'd be better off making the Clans from Bloodlines *as* Bloodlines in Requiem. Hell, I should get back to remaking Tzimisce, but while I like my Viccissitude, I can't think of a way to make them less Double Ventrue.

How did that happen. Is that an art installation?

If it isn't there was an implausible series of unrelated accidents there.

>What is the biggest improvement Promethean 2e has over its predecessor?
Since they weren't quite mechanically useless ENOUGH, it was decided to ensure that they are now without a doubt the weakest, least playable, most ridiculous of all creatures in the world of darkness.

They want to be human. Making them good would just be mean

Why are you an idiot?

>reseru reporting in

They have some powers for Demons to take, at least...

>Satchel
>Smartest one on on the OPP forums
I'm pretty sure he's legitimately got some autism spectrum thing going on with the way that he's obsessed with replying in the same way each time. He reminds me of Touhou now that I think about it. He's also often wrong about themes and can't handle contradictions.

>Ivan fears no man or beast of the Chronicles of Darkness
Someone got careless with find+replace, I see

So they removed the Golem as a core lineage because the Golem was never a dead body, but made from clay... but they did leave Galatea, who was made from marble.

Antisemitism, obviously.

The Tammuz have always been based on Tammuz, the Golem was just one example.
The Galatea lineage write up states that Galatea was likely a corpse in reality, possibly made of multiple dead beauties. It was the same way in 1e.

I guess they got rid of the notion of Constructs--Prometheans who were made out of natural materials that have an affinity with the Lineage. This probably comes as a result of the Unfleshed now needing to be humanoid but not necessarily mechanical. In 1e I think you could have a toaster or military drone become a human Unfleshed.

What's weird is that the write up for the Tammuz and their whole Language thing still seems based more heavily on the Golem than their namesake. They still have the whole Word of Power thing, too.

I've gotten into an argument with him before that we took over to PM, but he is very knowledgeable about the games and I can appreciate his snark that admittedly is borderline asshat

C-can I make a Phosphorum who isn't a genderqueer, or do I have to refer to xpleer as a xplee?

You fucking think?

I've seen him completely miss the point of an argument and keep going on about this or that with only tangential relevance. He also likes the 1e Krewe system, so he's obviously incompetent.

No. Suck it up.

Hurt Locker when?

Constructs have a sidebar devoted to them. It basically says they're not Unfleshed and you can use them if you do the work.

You can sorta use Corporeum to become John Wick! You'd still suck compared to any other template, but you'd totally be above the average human, most of the time!

Still no news from Gencon or brochure?

Most of it's already been posted on their blog, I think, in bits and pieces.

Seriously? The open development stuff was most of the thing? That's a pretty small thing than...

Is it just me, or is an organization of transhumanist Alchemists, Demiurges, and Unfleshed Prometheans working together seem fairly plausible? They just need the Prometheans they create to get stuck in a rut after they complete their Role's milestone so that they stop producing Disquiet while still producing a steady stream of Vitriol from their Roles, that they can then extract and use to enhance their transhuman cyborg agents with.

Maybe call them Iteration X or something...

Bisexuals are either homosexuals who are afraid of societal judgement, or straight people who want to seem cool.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BISEXUAL.

>Hell, I should get back to remaking Tzimisce, but while I like my Viccissitude, I can't think of a way to make them less Double Ventrue.

I have a semi-writ down idea for my Tzimisce.
Originally, it was one bloodline, Ventrue with Auspex. They have powers over blood bonds, and stuff like that. Their Bloodline Gifts allow them to activate Disciplines on anyone they have a Blood Bond with.

A group of young Tzimisce didn't like this idea, and called up a demon to help them escape it. The demon explained that the only way to get away from this control was to re-make them. Thus the New Clan equivalent were made. They have Protean as additional Discipline.
Their gifts start at bone craft and flesh craft, and have some additional bonuses like the Zulu form, for personal combat. (Add 1/1 armor, 6 physical attribute dots, spread however, max 3 in one, activates all Protean Aspects). The coccoon, which makes them resistant to fire and sunlight, and allows them to "operate" on whoever is in it with no problems for lack of tools.
The Crafts allow them to shift physical attribute dots around, and temporarily gain merits. Vampires take Bashing/Lethal from Flesh/Bonecraft, Humans take Lethal/Aggravated.


Oh, and I had these to be the source of the Moroi, whom they created to defend themselves against their old masters. Basically, a Tzimisce mirror of the Tremere Gargoyles of oWoD. Moroi get the Zulu form, and a bunch of merits to mutate it further.

No such thing as a male homosexual. Women's sexualities are a lot more fluid than men's are. That's why you get sluts in bars making out with each other on top of tables to attract men.

But user...i'm voting Trump.

Assuming I have no WoD material right now, should I get the Vampre humble bundle?

I am incapable of making my own descisions. Thanks.

Only if you're intending to play Vampire in the near or distant future, and aren't happy being a morally bankrupt pirate.

Eh. Dunno. It's pretty old stuff.

Do you want semi-outdated Masquerade stuff?

Strange that they'd sell an outdated version of that's true.

How much of the material has been updated at this point? Are they going to do it all?

I've seen this posted unironically and I genuinely don't get it.

Too obvious, it's sure the subtitle won't start with neither F nor D, because it would get confused with DtF or DtD respectively.

Btw. in last thread there was some discussion about pronouns. I started reading the advanced copy of Promethean and got pissed immediately. I don't care which pronoun they use, but do they have to change pronoun mid paragraph when writing about same person, ffs? Seriously, I know that some people claim to be gender fluid, but this much?
And whole Phosphorum section with zir pronoun? They change he and she every paragraph in the rest of the book(at least as far as I have read it) and then in the whole section just zir, consistency be damned.
Sorry that's just my OCD sense tingling...

I hope they announce V25 at the WoD panel today.

Is it just me or are like half of Promethean powers "+3 dice to X roll"? That's not a very inspiring arsenal here.

And then, snuck in at the end, +Azoth to Strength and Stamina.

Renegades

Neat.

WOO! An answer!