My son has shown an interest in Warhammer and now I am also interested in getting back into it...

Its shit

As you are already seeing, a lot of people are calling it bad and being aggressive to those that call it good.

AoS has replaced WHF but is much simpler, rules now being from a free 4page rule book, free warscrolls of units you can find on gw site and a £15 book which has points for the game.

However it doesn't have the complexity that WHFB had which is why people dislike it so much.

I prefer AoS as the models are nicer and games are less confusing, however my best tip is to just try out the game for yourself, go to GW ask for a beginner game and if you have your old collection maybe try some games with them and see if you enjoy it.

All in all, give it a go and see if you and your son like it. If not then there are other board games like WHFB: KoW and 9th age.

Just don't let the angry mob scare you by insults. They are just people(maybe sheep in disguise) typing angrily at a keyboard.

It's not that the rules are simple, KoW and One Page Warhammer are verifiably much simpler than 8th edition, it is that the rules are just bad. Even with the points values most of the glaring flaws still stand.

OP, I would recommend that you first of all look at the newer AoS models, question whether it is really worth getting into a game where a single figure can cost $140 when the rules are considered to be the worst on the market (Even with Relic Knight accounted). They are free, but you are certainly getting what you paid for. See what people play at a FLGS to see what the situation is.

There are actually plenty of people who like the game. There's quite a bit of lashing out at it, but simple rules don't equal bad rules. It's a very streamlined ruleset with a bit more to it now with the Generals Handbook. AoS has a pretty solid future ahead of it, despite the naysayers.

>implying that it isnt true

>a single figure can cost $140
The only single figures that cost that much are the massive ones with stupid amounts of detail. And they aren't necessary at all for the armies that can take them, unlike 40k where you're basically forced to run a LoW in some armies nowadays.

Give it a try and see what you think. It certainly isnt for everyone.

I hated the idea of it at first, but I tried it after the new Handbook came out and enjoyed it.

Basicaly, if you want the old game where every move matters and even correct marching can make or break the game, play 9th age. It is old whfb with better rules and balancing.

If you just want a short and simple game with very few rules to memorize that is quick to play and has a low lowest model count, go with AOS.

As for more grimdark... It is diferently grimdark than WHFB. On one hand you have the churning tides of soldiers dying in droves over eachother, on the other hand you have a khornate warrior and what is basicaly an ultramarine in everything but name joining up as an adventuring party in the silver tower box

Ignoring the neckbeard comment, it's disingenuous.
The 'cheaper start up costs' are only because the ruleset requires less models at the low end. The models are still vastly more expensive than the WFB ones (I'm looking at you, £2.50-for-a-single-plastic-infantry-model Fyreslayers).

Start Collecting sets are a big help now though. I think that's what he was referring to.

>Fielding 4 units of Dracothian Guard and a Lord Celestant on Dracoth

The rage is hard with this one.
The concept of macro/micro not so much. WHFB was THE most expensive game to be competitive in hands down.

how the fuck does a tabletop game with no points system work

"Mortuary Factory" still gets me every time
It's a factory where mortuaries are made?

how the fuck does army building work in a system where models aren't assigned point values

You just put whatever you want on the table, and rely on neither player being a douchebag about it.
Which is fine, I suppose. What gets me is when AOS players discuss which units are good- how can a unit be good or bad in the absence of a balancing mechanism?

Discuss with your opponent what seems balanced.

Alternatively, you can use the points values assigned to the models.

Think of the fantasy Space Marines as a good guy version of Chaos Warriors.

If your kid wants to play AoS the worst things you can do is say no and make him play another edition ow warhammer. It's not really your choice in deciding what your kids interested in

Save yourself some money and buy the vidya instead

This. Let your kids find their own voice and their own ways to have fun.

I would go for Song of Blades and heroes myself, very simple and the aprt about making your own warbands is quite fun. For mass battles, nothing beats Kings of war right now, fast, elegant and streamlined, it's what AoS should have been, while realesing a new Mordheim for skirmish. But Gw being Gw they did this aberration .

some also play 8th or 7th that I know

did you ever actually meet any neckbeards who played warhammer who were dicks to newbies and kids because I havent

Like all the time? The only people still playing fantasy before it died were powergamers who think that casting purple suns and bumping 60 man blocks into each other is the epitome of skill.

That's how they worked way back in the old days. Historical players would try to get the proportions of soldiers correct to refight battles but there weren't points. Points were seen as gamey.

I know a lot of historical players who were chuckling with condescension at warhammer fans who could not understand how aos could possibly work without a points system.

>models are nicer
the new orcs look fucking horrible storm casts look fucking horrible the new chaos looks fucking horrible the ghoul people dont even look that different and sylvaneth is fucking stupid and removes everything that was cool about wood elves

They also think its some sort of rite of passage that all newbies need to be schooled by a "veteran".

The new Orc shaman model is hands down Orc/Ork/Orruk caster sculpt ever. I wanted to get a weirdboy for my Orks even though he sucks because I thought it was cool. But the weirdboy model is trash. I'd use the Ironjawz Shaman though, if I ever take my Orks off the shelf again.

The rave boss is pretty awful though.

A "gentleman's agreement" without hard rules to back everything up tends to trigger those with fear/trust issues.

And I've had a blast w/everyone I've played, points or non; even when I lose.

Because the goals of the historical gamer and the fantasy/sci fi gamer are often different.

Historical gamers, like, you said, often focus on recreating historical engagements with numbers to represent that, played by people with a shared passion for history and shit. The crowd that comes for the fantasy/scifi tends to be different. And not having an easily agreed upon balancing option for a bunch of made up bullshittery, can make organizing pick up games with random people more challenging. Especially because worrying about wasting an afternoon playing an unbalanced shit game can make people nervous.

>model is hands down Orc/Ork/Orruk caster sculpt ever.

I think you forgot a superlative adjective there, and I have no idea what it was.

And their definition of "Schooling" involves tableing a the newbie several times until they quit cause the game isn't fun

Most of tg hasn't bothered keeping up to date on AoS and will sprout uninformed memes at you, ignore them and make up your own mind.

Pretty much. More or less all the complaints about it from early on have been addressed, and people keep cherry picking that one damn image from earlier on as an example of how all the art is.
Ultimately though It's not really up to OP to pick, since his son's already chosen for him. He should honestly just be glad that His kid picked a hobby that he also has an interest in
Also, AoS has one HUGE advantage over WHFB in that it's less harmful on YOUR wallet, since you need a lot fewer models to play

One question.

Do you like ANIIIIIIIME?!

Then you will like Age of Sigmar.

That's incredibly insulting to anime.

Yeah, actual anime will never be this ANIIIIIIIME!

Depends on the army. Elite armies were super cheap, looking at you 2000 pt Ogre starting box! And warriors/any elves were always super cheap. As well as warriors of chaos. Even Empire/Brets(If you played them) where cheap to a certain extent. Orks where expensive, as a horde army of course. And Skaven where too, unless you were smart and bought the Island Of Blood set. I still have 5k of rats just from that set. And now as far as I see AoS is super expensive really.. I remember thinking $100 for 5 bloodknights was INSANE, and now it's normal for 3 over designed chaos horsemen for $100. And it is a game about big monsters. 8th ed was a game about infantry and magic, which I prefer. Of course, this is just my opinion, and if AoS is your cup of tea. Have at it mate.

>8th ed was a game about infantry and magic

While it's only my opinion this was also one of the worst thing about it. WHFB had beautiful centerpiece models that were absolute shit in the game. If I wanted to play cannons and infantry I'd play an historical. But it was bullshit that only trying to put on the table a vampire lord riding a dragon zombie, an incredible cool model, only resulted in it getting sniped by cannons turn one.

Ignore this bitter nerd.

AoS is a fantastic open game with a low barrier of entry and simpler, logical rules which do away with WHFB bloat in favor of fast, fun play.

Everything about the game is designed to be accessible to all players. There are few restrictions on what you have to buy and miniature rules aren't driven by a sales agenda.

All the armies had a simultaneous free codex release and the game rules are free too. There is no codex creep and you can form armies from any mix of models that you like.

Your son can buy a £30 spider and enjoy the game right away without needing a whole massive army first.

>It's a very streamlined ruleset
Not even.

It's actually a pretty bloated ruleset once you consider that every unit has a special rule unique to it.

As a result, AoS games are a constant mess of cross-referencing rules shittery.

A streamlined game would be KoW.

Consider that a mantic stater set for KoW costs the same price as a AoS start collecting box for 5 or 6 times more minis, and is a viable army.

There's also the warhammer armies project's 9th edition, which is a different take than 9th age, but also based on 8e.

Armies project's wfb9e is less "simplified 8e" and instead goes for "rebalanced *best of* whfb, while being compatible with the 8e and 7e army lists in addition to their own lists.

And of course, the variety of armies available for it is larger than any other edition of warhammer or spinoff - all based on forces that have been mentioned in warhammer somewhere.

Army lists should be cross compatible with 9th age, too, if you meet 9th age players.

>streamlined ruleset
>bloated statlines

What are you hoping to get out of it all, OP? Because there's so much variety now when it comes to tabletop games there's basically never been a better time to get into games that aren't made by GW.

Age of Sigmar is more like capecomics than anime.

>logical rules
>no points
>throw 3+ for everything
>endless summon
>1+ save

Buy X-wing

>While the fluff isn't just reskinned 40K, it has certainly lost alot of what made WHFB's setting good. It's absolutely criminal to replace it with this rubbish.

this. op, I only have one question to ask yourself: do you want armies to fight about the fate of the old world or are some "planes" loosely connected in a magical realm (no, not that magical realm) that which should be at stake?

Kel'Thusad vs. Burning Legion?

Why do they even fight for the realms anyway ?

It's not there is much of value there.

Same as most other wars; resources, power and people defending their home.

>resources, power
but realms are endless this should be enoough for everyone, but since most of humans in AoS are black I assume they just ruining everything.

It's a pain in the ass to move somewhere else because of the Axis of Evil's bullshit. Chaos wants to enslave everyone, Destruction just uses the realm as a sandbox and Death will greedily take a hold of your soul eventually.

Order fights for freedom from all this horseshit. Order makes people take up arms for an existence where everyone can live the Sigmerican dream. Order is the faction that wants the realms to be something more than just endless war. That is why people fight for the mortal realms.

>Order makes people take up arms for an existence where everyone can live the Sigmerican dream.
In socialist paradise?

Are realms are not endless and nice racism. You do know that this is Veeky Forums and not /b/?

More like gangsta paradise from your pic

In Sigmerican there is only small goverments and every state decides what works best for them.

>and nice racism.
>SJW in denial

Actually, Chaos and Archaon want to destroy the Realms. There will be nothing left. everything will be swallowed up by Chaos and erased.

Even Destruction is screaming at Chaos that they are taking things too far.

Chaos is very close to winning. If forces of Order fail, then Chaos wins forever. There be nothing left in the universe but Chaos.

WE

WUZ

SIGMAR

HEIRS

But the AoS thread has tons of posters while 9th age is dead.

MAKE THE MORTAL REALMS GREAT AGAIN!

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Destruction knows that they must let the other factions invest enough effort and time into something to be a challenge to fight. They are basically economists on steroids.

>all these angry WHFBfags

Your shitty autistic game is dead, get over it

AOS is good and fun and obviously not intended for you sperglords

SHEIT

The 9'th Age is based on one of the worst editions of WHFB. There is no small wonder it doesn't attract people.

>$100

Disregarding Australians at every turn.

>AOS is good and fun
AoS isn't X-wing

So? 40k general has more posters than swg,

You know Points and endless summoning don't actually work in AoS right?

Everything else was in WHFB.

>X-Wing is fun
>Literally Pay to win: the Model game

This means 40K is more popular with actual geeks.

SW is popular with normies.

Can't say that I have any interest in Star Wars minis.

I think it's mostly because 40k has something that appeals to everyone.

But they work, especially if I want to forge some narrative with my fluffy Tzeench army.

>This means 40K is more popular with actual geeks.
Yeah that's why GW was so buttblasted when FFG steal casual market from them.

But there are points so you need to judge accordingly :^)

>But there are points
Only in pitched battles.

You do know the Star Wars mini game is a bubble right?

a Bubble FFG cannot expand because it'll always just be the minigame.

It's why FFG are making their own Fantasy ripoff now.

>But the AoS thread has tons of posters
>Profit from the sale of miniatures and games, the company’s core business, fell 15%.

>>Literally Pay to win: the Model game
Says Warhammer fan with his Wraithkingts formation.

TT was always a niche hobby directed for geeks. GW has the geek market on the lockdown.

The casual market seems fickle to me. Once the Star Wars craze goes away, it will crumble.

AoS is selling more than fantasy has been selling for years. Mission accomplished.

>Don't play 40k
>AoS is balanced save for MAYBE Ogors and Sylvaneth if you can't handle the teleporting trees.

I played WHFB for years, what you said was true then, but by Dorf army has fucking wrecked everything from Ogors to Archaon because the game is more about tactics with support moves and Positioning.