Pathfinder General /pfg/

Had to repost this gem.

In my opinion and experience, a horror game is not about the classes or mechanics, but about the tone and feel of the campaign. In a lot of ways, a horror game requires that the players willingly surrender a lot of narrative control that they would normally hold over their characters to the GM, and as such there's a lot of trust needed.

When you watch a horror movie, it's because you /want/ to be scared. You know it's not real, but you're letting yourself get into it and allowing it to terrify you, because that's all part of the fun. A horror game is exactly the same: it's fun to be that sort of scared, and ideally the players and GM work together to create that feeling.

If the players aren't in on that, or the GM isn't up for that, then you just get something closer to a normal ttrpg game. Hunting monsters in scary locations but not /horror/, because horror is as much about the player's immersion as it is the plot, PCs, and enemies.

You can have a horror game with literal superheroes as the PCs. You can have one with commoners. The effectiveness of the PCs matters a lot less than the way the game is laid out and the way the story is told.

A thought though: the description of your little summons being ripped to shreds by the monsters is a good place to add to the horror feel.

paizo.com/products/btpy9nwl/discuss?Hybrid-Classes-Vol-2-Horror-Heroes#13

Would you buy their products?

>Sorry you can't use our products. From the sounds of it, you mainly want to just copy and paste some stuff from it, and ignore the beautiful art and interesting flavor. So we don't mind that you won't buy this. Thank you for your comments.

I don't understand.

What's your favorite thing about HA?
>Favorite archetype?
>Favorite spel?
if you've looked through them
>Favorite item or feat?
and the one people were seemingly the most hype about:
>favorite corruption, from the point of view as either a DM inflicting them on a party, or a playe

He's telling you to fuck right off because you're clearly a pirate and don't understand art.

That dev looks like an immense prick.
0/10 wouldn't buy shit from them. Wouldn't even pirate because who the fuck even needs a pdf without copy/paste.

>Can't copy paste
Yeah no, fuck off. Just to piss him off, someone should crack the protection and distribute his shit everywhere, the cunt.

Prepared initiator with a book when?

What's with the roman shit

>he thinks the cleaners wouldn't strip that shit out like they do every single other bit of PDF DRM
What do you think piracy IS, exactly?

I thought cleaners only remove shit that identifies the person who bought the PDF or something. I'm not exactly knowledgeable on how PDF cleaning works.

Wait, cleaners can strip the DRM shit?

When the hell is one of them going to strip it off the Beguiler thing?

When do your female characters wear high heels, /pfg/?

Always. Cavalry boots are always good for Cavaliers

Horror Adventures pdf for whoever wants it

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In fantasy? Never, because it makes no fucking sense.

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She wears them for herself, and no-one else, so she only wears them during downtime, usually alone in her quarters or the library. Heels clicking on stone makes her feel powerful.

I substitute heels for more flat soled shoes with elegant traits

Always.

How does it "make no fucking sense"?

>How does it "make no fucking sense"?
It's both anachronistic and a very impractical thing to wear for an adventurer, one that could realistically get you killed in battle.

It's fantasy! Dragons are fine, clothes that aren't shit-smeared english peasant garb aren't. You fool.

I'm personally not a fan most of the time. I like outfits that look cool AND practical, and heels just look silly to me in combat gear. They totally fit sometimes for non-adventuring outfits, though.

>I like outfits that look cool AND practical
The best ladyknights are those who wear rationally-looking stuff.

For battle, definitely impractical. As an anachronism, they were invented in the 16th fucking century and standard Pathfinder tech hovers around the late Renaissance.

I want my character to look like an actual warrior. Not like a cosplaying hooker.

Very small, practical heels were invented in the 16th fucking century. Ridiculous shit like stilettos is modern.

>anachronistic

Fantasy settings aren't usually set on Earth, so the history of Earth is not a useful reference point. For that matter, shoes of all kinds with weird heels and/or platforms are fucking ancient

>impractical thing to wear

So is a backstrapped greatsword in a dungeon

>Fantasy settings aren't usually set on Earth, so the history of Earth is not a useful reference point. For that matter, shoes of all kinds with weird heels and/or platforms are fucking ancient
Actually, you know, that is a fairly good argument. I think I'm okayer with non-combatants wearing heels now.
Still a big nope on combatants, such as adventurers in a dungeon, though.

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>hurpf durf muh realism and practical armor I'm an autistic HEMAfaggot please use my face as an urinal
>Pathfinder General /pfg/
fuck outta here

>some people don't like adventurers looking like cosplaying hookers
>how dare they
>better tell them to GTFO

>Veeky Forums meme
Like clockwork. Historyfag genocide when?

>d20pfsrd.com/traits/equipment-traits/rough-and-ready
>profession (courtesan)
>proficiency with high heels

How btfo are you?

>he doesn't like high heels

Get a load of this faggot.

MITHRIL
STILLETOS

Wouldn't it be better to be a Night Terror vigilante with Rough and Ready?

Ooooh, she could even be a kitsune! And have Companion to the Lonely! And have Innocuous Servant!

>kickboxing courtesan
10/10

Are the shitty Weapon Master's Handbook rules for custom weapon types on the srd?

I want to make something

XProfession (Backup Dancer)
>Deadly Bardic Tapdancer.

My female characters are rarely too feminine, so not to often.

'Weapon'

You can wear your heels with a -2 penalty to attack, CMB, CMD and AC. That's being generous.

Here's a challenge for you; statting Touhou's fairies into a viable (in so much that gnomes and kender and halflings are "viable") 1st level playable race (sans the resurrective immortality.)

I actually would sort of appreciate this because 24 hp leprechauns/pixies is kind of unwieldy for what I want to do with them.

Can an alchemist take two tentacles as he can take two vestigial arms?

Daoine sidhe.

Apologies for having fun, Will report to duty torturer and mandatory personality eraser on once, sir.

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If a dude can wiggle their fingers and spout some nonsense words in order to generate a meteor swarm, someone having enough strength, agility and balance to fight in heels effectively should not be that hard to handle.

A 120 survival check can let you track things through the air ffs.

For the record, it is possible to learn how to run, jump, and fight effectively in heels.

The problem is it either takes superhuman levels of coordination and agility (such as say, being a vampire) or years of training for the sole purpose of it, to first learn how to walk and run properly, then how to learning combat stances and maneuvers after that.

Is it doable? Certainly. But like many things that are technically doable there's no real point outside of appearance, and for the vaaaast majority of characters, that's not a viable reason.

I could totally see a bored vampire or elf learning how to do it because they had extra time, though. It's not like they won't already be a century old or older by the time you encounter them.

Hell, a first level human barbarian can outrun Usain Bolt for half an hour while wearing chainmail and carrying a hundred pound sack of shit, then jump off a cliff and fall about a thousand feat with a chance to be able to keep running (12 base, +5 Con, +1 FCB, +2 temp from rage, +3 toughness = 23 effective HP, can take 43 before dying, takes 20d6 fall damage). Kick him up to level 2 and the odds get a lot better (19 base, +10 Con, +2 FCB, 3 toughness, 4 temp from rage totals 38, 58 before death)

Would you ever let someone play a tiefling kitsune?

Oh, I forgot to mention this barbarian could also be a 16 year old girl who only weighs 95lbs (I went with girl because they have a lower minimum weight)

Don't you mean a kitsune possessed by a construct?

>For the record, it is possible to learn how to run, jump, and fight effectively in heels.

The average Level 1 PoW character is already outside the realm of human capabilities

youtube.com/watch?v=FgaveBEyFq4

PF confirmed for allowing superhumans.
How do you reconcile this to the campaign setting?

>How do you reconcile this to the campaign setting?
Bitch, how do you reconcile vampires, werewolves, and fey to the campaign setting?

Wizards having no concept of right and wrong, and can't get laid because they're fugly af.

Also, the result of nuclear fallout.

I don't know, level 0? Aside from barbarians, no first level character has superhuman endurance, and if you make them any weaker, you get to the issue of them dying due to falling down the stairs or kicking a door wrong too many times.

Evidently, I make sure that very few commoners are actually level 1, since level 1 would imply that they haven't had any experience in their main class for their 30ish something years of existence, which is absurd.

They aren't pissweakshits compared to mortals.

Mortals are considered vermin in the CS.

>yfw 2hu got unbanned from #pfg because of the autist spamming about 2hu on /pfg/

>Aside from barbarians, no first level character has superhuman endurance
Excuse me? That running thing can be done by anyone with a decent Str score. You don't even need the Run feat. A wizard with Toughness and a high Con (16) still has 13 HP at level 1.

Hell, the bloody fist rage power shows that having vital organs forcefully removed only results in 1d4 Con DAMAGE. Aka, 25% of the time (when a 1 is rolled), tearing out someone's heart does nothing, and it regrows overnight without any medical attention.

>no point outside of appearance.

Bitch when you can crank more power attack or crit-fishing than most things have average HP, you no longer need to worry about numbers and are instead left only with the drive to do things that are Fun.

It's kind of like hellraiser. You charop until you can win automatically, then learn how to take that knowledge to be creative and silly about it until you can take the most ass-backwards idea of a character's means and methods and make it work.

>Pic related; actually a Hat-wielding thrown weapon specialist inspired by Odd-Job.

>tearing out someone's heart does nothing, and it regrows overnight without any medical attention.
Golarion humans are tough.

d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/called-shots

Wrong.

d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/variant-rules-3rd-party/4-winds-fantasy-gaming/The-Loss-of-a-Body-Part
And wrong again.

d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo---rage-powers/bloody-fist-ex

Not wrong.

>variant rules third party

lmao

We need to create a super gritty and violent but superheroic version of PF.

I thought they were all SJW pissants.

d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/monstrous-humanoids/grendel

Ripping somebody's arm off does 2d6 bleed damage

don't really see the relationship to tearing out someone's heart only dealing 1d4 con damage, but i do agree that's pretty laughably low

por que?

Don't be ridiculous, we don't need hearts or arms to live.

docs.google.com/document/d/1XSsxk7rk0j48rgpJ0jvJ_2oJkWDvaycfkJI3CoRkyTE/pub

Where in Horror Adventurer does it say that casting [Evil] spell 2-3 times make you fall into Evil Alignment?

Is Paizo also retard enough to say that the vice versa is also true, so you could Animate Dead and cast Protection from Evil and be fine?

Hearts sure, but arms? How the hell am I gonna fap without arms?

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Sidebar, top of page 110.
If they're retarded enough to say that doing [evil] tagged things that achieve nothing but good is [evil], then the opposite is most certainly true. Either that, or it's straight up hypocritical.

Dammit OP, how are you this fucking bad at this?

Actual Previous thread:

>you may offer it to grant yourself an inherent +2 bonus to a single attribute. While this bonus is inherent, it does not stack with any other type of inherent bonus.

>Stain: You do not receive inherent bonuses to attributes simply by leveling up.

The only inherent bonuses that stack are from Wish, also you don't get inherent bonuses from leveling up, they're untyped

>Cast Celestial Healing a few times cause it was all you had on you.
>Walk away from the bloody battlefield of your innocent victims tortured to death, a Lawful Good Saint.

Paizo.

Or alternatively, saving the life of a group of children by casting infernal healing, cause it was the only thing you could.

Now you're CE murdering, raping scum, and probably hate the gays and the trans you cis scum.

Paizo.

I am an experienced 3.5 DM thinking to go out and try PF for once. I don't know right now too much about the differences, but I wanted to start a campaign with people I consider starters (they are not; they just never played with a decent DM). I didn't want to press them with all the multiclassing and PRCing, but without sacrificing the customization completely. My questions are: 1) how much I will end up study the new rules? 2) is this a good idea?

I am prone to only use core material for this.

It's to the point where we have to read and vet 1PP material at our table like we do 3PP.

PF, multiclassing and PRCing got an unbelievable nerf. That said, if you want to move away from the core material, things like archetypes will allow you to play practically any character conceivable. Many of the rules are largely the same, but you'll want to check on things like combat maneuvers and things such as mithril still requiring the original proficiency, the streamlined skills, etc.

Honestly, it's a pretty seamless transition.

I don't recommend it. Pathfinder's rulesbloat is worse than 3.5 at this point, and doesn't offer anything better to compensate.

Cool, thanks! Time to go murder innocent NPC , then repeatably cast Protection from Evil or Celestial Healing.

>I am prone to only use core material for this.
No, the worst nightmares are here. Use the APG, UC, UM, UI, etc.

How would you build pic related?

For what it's worth I'm running a core-only megadungeon with casual players and it's been only fun so far, 4-5 sessions in at this point I think

You fool!

So, pf chars have been confirmed for superhumans?

What does that make housecats then?

Housecats aren't much of a threat unless you're a commoner

OK, is allowing races to replace their own race traits with another races' good or fucking terrible?

You could fluff that race trait in context to the character as desired or required.

Core only is the most unbalance.

It's the book with freaking Wizard,Cleric and Druid, at the same time as Rogue and Fighter.

Core Rogue has no redeeming quality whatsoever. It's suppose to be the "skill-monkey" but Bard just overshadow it in the role.

Core Fighter can't compare to Ranger or Barbarian, who can both dish out more damage than it and can still do stuff outside of combat.