Can "edgy" in the original, non-Veeky Forums sense - i.e. doing things just for the shock value - still be done...

This.

Edgy is all circumstantial and perspective, and no body has experienced all circumstances and all perspectives.

And secretly masturbate under the table

> i.e. doing things just for the shock value

That's not at all what it meant. Edgy was short for "cutting edge". It was about defying convention and taking a risk with material that wasn't orientated around mass appeal. Being shocking is the Veeky Forums memetastic corruption of the word.

"You're not my real dad, at least God wants me to be happy!"
*SLAM*
>*Muffled Christian Rock blaring under door*

This needs to happen, without my sides leaving orbit at this velocity, we'll never colonize Alpha Centauri.

You know, I'm pretty politically red myself, but what the fuck is an anarcho-socialist? How do those two fit together?

Dollars to donuts it's not going to be Christianity, but something more glamorous, like devil worship or Wicca.

It can, and is, done. But it's not doable in short bursts like a forum post. You first have to get investment, establish a sense of scale, and allow things like values dissonance and tragedy-in-the-classical-sense to develop. Which is why "Winter's Bone," a movie in which a 17 year old holds the rotted hands of her meth-addict father's corpse so 3 women can cut them off with a small chainsaw, allowing her to take the body parts to the Sheriff and exchange them for the bond to the house where she's raising her siblings and a small amount of cash but leading to the implied death of her uncle won Best Drama at Sundance but someone posting "Lol imagine kicking a preschooler as hard as you can" isn't worth the Sonic meme someone will post in response.

In short, yes. You can push the edge in dramatic and dark ways, *if* you put some art into it. It's the cheap edge of "Reaper/Gabriel Reyes," "Shadow the Hedgehog," and "press F to pay respects" that have always, and will always, be mock-worthy.

>Party ventures into a goblin cave
>They fight their way to the core of the goblin's nest
>There they have kidnapped and captured human and elvish women that they rape in the dark to breed more goblins
>All four players goes "Wow, fucking edgy."
I hate the word 'Edgy', whatever the fuck it stands for, and anyone who uses it in any other way than ironically.

That sounds pretty edgy.

Chances are there wasn't clear communication between what the GM was running and what the players wanted to play.

>That sounds pretty edgy.
See the filename.

>kys

/v/ plz leave

As soon as you kill yourself. :^)

Well at least I now you are a troll now and I should stop responding to you.

I hope this board starves you.

I'm amazed at the fact there are people on Veeky Forums too ignorant to know this fact. Or maybe they're just under 18.

Edgy has always been about being on the edge of what is acceptable, but it's never been an intrinsic part of "edgy" that it should be so for its own sake. Dirty Harry was extremely edgy in that it tackled vigilante justice and portrayed it in a somewhat positive light. The Godfather was edgy in portraying mobsters as sympathetic characters. Brokeback Mountain was edgy in its time for trying to handle homosexual relationships at a time where it was mostly still a societal taboo.

Edgy is era-dependent.

The best thing is that you could definitely see parents trying to stop that shit and thus fuel the fire even further.
>We can't let little Timmy be Christian, it's untrue! He'll grow up believing in all of these things, how will he be able to develop his own morals if he just gets them from somewhere else? We have to teach him how to be rational, let's send him to science camp. What the nonexistence do you mean that's hypocritical? We're actually RIGHT unlike OUR shitty parents

I guess he means socialism in terms of Marxist socialism, with a societal rather than private control of the means of production?
In real life, socialist states like the Scandis pick a representative body that then licenses the means of production (or rather, the purchase of the produced goods, whether services or physical wares) to private parties for the purpose of producing for society as a whole (capitalist socialism?), but I guess an anarcho-socialist wouldn't have a representative body but like, direct voting? It's possible to do direct voting with electronic tools but I still feel like that should be elaborated upon

I'm gonna be honest with you, that spoiler is probably the best example of "edgy done well if you give it time to soak in" I've ever seen, so kudos to you

Sounds like the first two chapters of Goblin Slayer.

>Reaper/Gabriel Reyes
His whole character is edge to the point of satire. He's a man who betrayed his best friend, got killed by him, then came back as a living swarm of nanobots who inhabit a black trench coat.

Well, I can see it being serious and cold-blooded thing, like a buddy of some ruthless and mentally ill BBEG

>Dollars to donuts it's not going to be Christianity, but something more glamorous, like devil worship or Wicca.
You may be too young to remember this, but we already did that in the 90s. In fact, that's the point: Christianity ISN'T glamorous, and devil worship and Wicca are because they got popular again in the 90s.

I tend to get more mileage out of dread but maybe I'm just better at inducing that.

RPGs I think are actually a place where shock can still have value as having something of the nature happening to your PC or an other party member AKA a character your actually invested in is the fulcrum around which shock turns.

Not the guy you're talking about, but I also consider myself an anarcho-socialist, more especifically anarcho-syndicalist.

Yes, it's exactly that; removal of vertical organization, abolishment of state and class, no centralized government, direct representation of interests, by either votin or in the case of AnSynd, worker unions/syndicates.

*by either individual voting

>unions/syndicates
>somehow without a leader or management
I guess it works if you keep group sizes under five...

This is already happening, just look at Veeky Forums

There are only two genders, mom! Stop pushing your beliefs onto me!

So what's going to be the next edge when there's nothing to edge about? Sex with dolphins?

What you do is you take them to a Unitarian Universalist church when they are a kid. Its basically like a vaccine against organized religion.

You spend every sunday morning, while the adults are in sermon, learning about the faith and beliefs of everyone else's religion. UU's teach that the dogma is unimportant, what matters is that you find whatever spiritual path enriches you and makes you a better, happier person. It leads to discourse on the subject of religion where neither side can say 'God says I'm right' because there is no defined holy book that is the one truth or whatever.

The only things that UU's are actually against is anything that is needlessly self destructive (your spiritual path is supposed to be to your benefit, not detriment) and you can't restrict the beliefs and rights of others (because that prevents them from pursuing their own spiritual path) unless those 'beliefs' are an excuse to hate on other people.

So you either end up with a kid who treats religion more like a hobby and doesn't take it super seriously, or a kid that ends up with an 'eh, whatever. Just don't be a dick, you know?' attitude towards religion.

Sort of takes the wind out of the sails of using religion to rebel, and also makes it almost impossible for them to become a convert later in life and get jesus crazy because its now new to them.

>implying fedorafags are going to want their kids involved in religion of any kind
"The only power my kid is going to believe in is the power of SCIENCE! I will not allow these archaic falsehoods to sway them from the path of true euphoria!"

This fictional race of yours, do they have elf ears? Or do you go for the catfolk aesthetic?

>I identify as transbottlenose and you are All-Hitlers-Combined for implying my gender is somehow wrong, you bigoted fucking monster

>I identify as three years old, and you are All-Hitlers-Combined for implying my gender and relationship with someone my own age is somehow wrong, you bigoted fucking monster

I gotta say, it ain't a matter of lefts and rights, it's a matter of retarded fucking shit trying to pass under the guise of "but you have to tolerate it or you're a bad person".

Far too many groups try to paint issues as being left or right winged, when in fact the political spectrum has absolutely nothing to do with said issue. I myself am fairly left-winged on numerous issues (not that I think communism could ever work so long as humans are in charge of it), but conservatism (not "neo-conservatives", that's a very special set of assholes) has its place as well; after all, sometimes things work well and shouldn't change, while sometimes things should change.

Some of the shit we're seeing today shows how each side can go too far, with devastating actions by far-right extremists, dominionists and climate-change deniers, and literally explosive situations brought on by letting people across borders whose only wish is to spread their own extreme ideologies.

Most of the time? When someone tries to paint numerous issues into "left" and "right" with no clear reason, they're simply attempting to wedge a gap they can exploit for much profit. It's basically just a fucking scam by both "sides" aimed at massive values of your tax-money!

Yes, you can try to shock me. But that will be annoying at most.

God I wish. In reality UU's are walking avatars of white privilege in love with the idea that their literature-based arms-length "study" of a faith is just as good or better than the actual practitioners. The populace is made up of flakes who don't give a shit, sexual minorities, stoners, and closet atheists who are trying to legitimize themselves in the eyes of their neighbors, and a bunch of uptight pseud-hippies that act like the spiritual equivalent of a home owners association but with even more inane arguments.

If you want a liberal church that honors a wide swath of religious traditions while having a core of solid ideas and an actual mission statement, I suggest Unity. And if you're looking for a more humanist and progressive but also atheist-friendly organization I suggest Ethical Culture.

The few families I know who've been doing this are actually rather reasonable and won't be encountering such problems.

>Some people believe in one that's like this
>Some people believe in one that's like that instead
>Some believe there's lots and lots instead of just one
>Some people write them up for others to believe in too
>Which one are you daddy?
>I just like to put the ones I make up in my games

It probably helps that several of the schools around here are very multicultural, and exposure to numerous religious beliefs does appear to lead to - as has commented - a measure of total uncaring apathy.

Games and/or the massive level of access to media compared to previous generations have also strongly reinforced this trend: even when not explicitly stated, the fact that miracles only happen in stories is not lost on children. By simply not beating belief into them, the natural state of atheism remains in that agreeable non-hardliner stance that doesn't get all 'tistic until you try to bomb their home

>implying fedorafags are going to want their kids involved in religion of any kind
>Implying they'll ever have kids

Dad, stop using a condom when having sex with Mom! You should be having intercourse for the purposes of reproduction!

Also stop putting it in her butt.

I checked.