Why would anyone want to be a vampire or be scared of them? They are shit! Look how many weaknesses they have
>sunlight >fire >decapitation (which means a headshot should also drop them) >piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) >can't cross running water >they only can feed on blood >allergic to garlic meanwhile werewolves >silver
see the difference? Vampires are only strong in settings which conviniently ignore half of their weaknesses and turn them into Mary Sues and they are fucking gay even since Briam Stoker turned them from disgusting walking corpses into fuckboys (that's right it's not Twilight's fault Dracula was the cancer that actually killed vampires).
To be fair, most anons too suffer from a terrible weakness to decapitation and getting their heart pierced.
And an allergy or two.
Brody Moore
It's all about them being in their element.
Because when they are in their element shit gets crazy.
Dominic Johnson
Because the vampire can outsmart you and play around its weaknesses while a werewolf can't control itself during the full moon.
Anthony Adams
this desu
Vampires are also >inhumanley strong >inhumanely fast >immortal
Sebastian Rodriguez
Vampires have class. They have a load of weaknesses, yes, but that just makes things sporting.
Tyler Baker
First off, this all depends on the setting.
Fire, decapitation, and having your heart pierced are ways for basically anyone to die. Also decapitation doesn't mean getting shot in the head will kill them. It means you need to sever the head from the body.
Running water and garlic are both incredibly minor issues.
Sunlight is the big one for vampires, but in this day and age, it's hardly a deal-breaker in a trade off for immortality. You could easily shield yourself from the sun when it's day, and most everything can be done at night.
Eli Rivera
I'd rather have a lich protecting me than a vampire who is Kenny of fantasy.
Anthony Jenkins
1) yeah, also they laugh at poison, disease, any injuries that don't affect head or heart, age, radiation, etc.
2) those weaknesses are gathered from a variety of unrelated mythos and works. few vampires have them all. Dracula was walking in the sunlight with no problem. Also, bullets not always work, sometimes you need specifically iron, silver, gold or aspen. Similarly, in some settings headshots don't work, it gotta be full decapitation - leave the head hanging by a scrap of skin, vampire will regenerate.
3) in many settings they are effectively immortal. they can be destroyed, but not killed. usually a drop of blood or some black magic used on the ashes brings them back.
4) if we go by mythos and classical literature, werewolves are mindless ravening beasts. once again, vulnerability to silver is not always there, as is immortality. many werewolves can be killed just like any other beast, or at very least are afraid of fire and burn like tinder
also, living forever is cool. and presence of weaknesses means you can actually die if you tire of living.
TL;DR you're wrong and a faggot
Alexander Gutierrez
>and most everything can be done at night
including your mom
James Brown
oh, and i forget the fact that in many setting the vampires - especially old and powerful ones - can just shrug majority of their weaknesses off, if only for a time.
Joseph Hall
>Sunlight is the big one for vampires Not really, since Dracula could walk around just fine during the day. He just couldn't use his powers in sunlight, so he was vulnerable.
Parker Thompson
Yeah, you get some weaknesses. But immortality, shapeshifting, flight, mind control, and various other powers are nothing to sneeze at.
Jacob Ramirez
I dunno we're playing as lower level vampires (in D&D) and our racial abilities are half the reason we've managed to survive at all:
>Heal 1 HP per round >Cold and electricity resistance 10 >Drain enemies constitution by feeding on them >Immune to poisons >Never age >Dont have to worry about human emotions like lust, love, happiness, depression. Only know loyalty and hunger >Undead, so all the bonuses that come with that - downside is we can be turned by clerics
Sure, we are weakened in sunlight (-2 to all skill checks and saves) and we die if we fall into running water, but with planning you can avoid sunlight, and we're in a continental area so no worries about water... yet.
The main worrying thing about playing a vampire is that with a decent turn check, a high level cleric could simply make you explode. Thankfully our DM gives us turn resistance, which helps a bit, but we still end up covering and running away should a cleric turn us.
Also I should mention we are playing a kind of custom vampire race, much weaker than your average vampire. My character is actually half vampire, half spider (from the waist down) so it makes for an incredibly stealthy wizard that can silently creep up on the ceiling, send you to sleep, then drain your blood - Lots of fun to play, combined with roleplaying a very dry wit and calmness that comes with being undead and not having "emotions" pretty much everything is mildly amusing, no matter how dire the situation is!
Noah Turner
>sunlight
Only in the movies and some of their derivatives. The genre defining pieces, Dracula and Carmilla, lack this.
>headshot
Not the same thing, they're not zombies. You need to stuff the mouth with garlic too.
>bullet
Fuck no. It has to be a wooden stake, usually hawthorn.
>can't cross running water
Save by flying, boats, bridges...
>can only feed on blood
This isn't really a weakness. Most animals and all people have blood, you know.
>allergic to garlic
I wouldn't rely on this unless you're Italian.
0/10 would not hunt vampires with
Lucas Moore
>>piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) only wood
and I think decapitation works for werewolves as well
Isaiah Taylor
>The genre defining pieces In nosferatu the vampire dies as soon as sunlight hits it.
Gavin Martin
Nosferatu is a movie, and a derivative of the genre definers. It is a subordinate work.
Brandon Collins
> scared of them?
If someone attacked you, are you telling me you wouldn't be just a little bit scared?
Let's ignore the super powers or the fact they are trying to eat your face. Someone launches out of you from a dark alley, you're not going to be the slightest bit shocked?
Ian Flores
>"HOLY FUCK, SUSAN, STOP STALKING ME, I WON'T EVER BE YOUR BOYF- oh, you're just a random vampire. Phew. Please take a sip of my blood."
Jose Evans
I would be more scared of a nigger than a vampire.
James Richardson
And keep in mind, Dracula isn't even the earliest instance of Vampire in popular mythology. It's just commonly seen as one of the defining points for the Modern Age Vampires.
Going back we have the shtriga, strigoi, vrykolakas...
The vampire mythos is old as fuck. There is enough material there that you could argue that there is no definitive Vampire archetype, only variations based on time and era.
Hudson Lopez
Is there any variation of vampires which is not totally fucking gay?
Wyatt Evans
Yes, but you also sleep on a pile of guns bought at wal-mart telling yourself that you'll stop those damn dirty libruls and their heathen ways
Carter Moore
>"This went a lot better than my attacks usually do." >"Well we've all got to eat. I donate blood to the Red Cross, you know."
Andrew Baker
most of them, barring Ann Rice, Twilight and other young adult bullshit?
Grayson Brown
>most of them
examples? In Dracula and WoD they are gaylords.
Jack Nelson
>Legends of female vampire-like beings who can detach parts of their upper body also occur in the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia. There are two main vampire-like creatures in the Philippines: the Tagalog Mandurugo ("blood-sucker") and the Visayan Manananggal ("self-segmenter"). The mandurugo is a variety of the aswang that takes the form of an attractive girl by day, and develops wings and a long, hollow, thread-like tongue by night. The tongue is used to suck up blood from a sleeping victim.
>The manananggal is described as being an older, beautiful woman capable of severing its upper torso in order to fly into the night with huge bat-like wings and prey on unsuspecting, sleeping pregnant women in their homes. They use an elongated proboscis-like tongue to suck fetuses from these pregnant women. They also prefer to eat entrails (specifically the heart and the liver) and the phlegm of sick people.
Juan Bell
>Dracula and WoD they are gaylords.
Dracula the movie, sure.
Dracula the book makes him out like a fucking beast.
Nicholas Jenkins
Dracula - read the fucking book, don't go by the movie WHFB - brutal, merciless creatures Underworld - badass gothic nobility, especially in Rise of Lycans WoD - depends on bloodline Legacy of Kain Caslevania (at least the PC games) Penny Dreadful Lost Boys Disciples
+countless settings where they are just slightly above animals, like 30 Days of Night
+a ton of things i don't remember settings of from a Mammoth Book of Vampires - there was some legitimately creepy stuff. Two of those were actually really scary.
Jack Cooper
He dies from a fucking dagger.
Alexander Long
>Draugar possess superhuman strength, can increase their size at will, and carry the unmistakable stench of decay. "The appearance of a draugr was that of a dead body: swollen, blackened and generally hideous to look at." They are undead figures from Norse and Icelandic mythology that appear to retain some semblance of intelligence. They exist either to guard their treasure, wreak havoc on living beings, or torment those who had wronged them in life. The draugr's ability to increase its size also increased its weight, and the body of the draugr was described as being extremely heavy. Thorolf of Eyrbyggja saga was "uncorrupted, and with an ugly look about him... swollen to the size of an ox," and his body was so heavy that it could not be raised without levers. They are also noted for the ability to rise from the grave as wisps of smoke and "swim" through solid rock, which would be useful as a means of exiting their graves.
>In folklore, draugar slay their victims through various methods including crushing them with their enlarged forms, devouring their flesh, devouring them whole in their enlarged forms, indirectly killing them by driving them mad, and by drinking their blood. Animals feeding near the grave of a draugr may be driven mad by the creature's influence. They may also die from being driven mad. Thorolf, for example, caused birds that flew over his bowl barrow to drop dead. Draugar are also noted as being able to drive living people insane.
Adam Lopez
I exclusively buy my guns from toys-r-us thank you
Mason Russell
He dies from nearly having his head cut clean off with a khurkri and being stabbed in the heart.
You'll find that nearly kills a lot of things. Doesn't make Dracula a gaylord on Twilight scale.
Ian Bennett
too bad Skyrim draugrs were just slightly more fleshy skeletons Also nothing in your description even indicates vampirism they are a different type of undead faggot.
Leo Wilson
> nothing in your description even indicates vampirism >and by drinking their blood. > nothing in your description even indicates vampirism >and by drinking their blood. > nothing in your description even indicates vampirism >and by drinking their blood. >they are a different type of undead faggot.
You're being ironic, right?
You do get that the modern idea of a vampire was a process of mythological evolution right? And that the earliest accounts of creatures that would be called vampires/dhampir/wampyr were a weird mix of Vampires/Ghouls/Zombies, yeah?
Grayson Reyes
They still sucked in Skyrim therefore they don't count.
Jason Richardson
In some vampire mythoi, including the original dracula, the fact that vampires have so many weaknesses actually works in their favor, because to actually do any long-term damage to them, you have to hit them with all of their weaknesses at once. To kill Dracula for good, they had to decapitate him, stuff his mouth with garlic, AND nail the torso down with a stake.
Oh, and all of this had to be done while reciting the proper Catholic liturgical prayers.
Parker Jones
>"Look Vincent, it's great an all that you've taken so many Flaw Disadvantages and that you're doing a great job roleplaying the character, but everyone thinks tying them in as the Catch for your Immortality Advantage is a bit cheesy. Even Boris' character isn't that broken."
Juan James
>decapitation (which means a headshot should also drop them) Except no, because the head hasn't been severed. You explicitly have to REMOVE the head entirely or it just heals
>piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) In original folklore the stake in the heart did NOT kill the vampire, or in some cases even have much of any effect on him at all. Its primary purpose was to nail the fucker to his coffin so he couldn't climb out. In stories where it does do anything, it only renders the vampire comatose, because it's heart can't heal while the stake is in. Once removed, the vampire hops back up like nothing happened.
Garlic, similarly, didn't harm them; it was just a disgusting smell that they'd avoid if they could. It'd ward off random attacks because the vampire would take a whiff and decide to go after somebody else. If the vampire's after you in particular, garlic's just going to make him more angry.
Brandon Edwards
And depending on the setting, vampires are also known for having more capabilities >Highly charming and a seductive >Capable of hypnotizing people by means of eye contact >Insane regeneration >Enhanced scent >Walk on walls and ceilings >Flight >Turn into a swarm of bats >Devilish alignment
Vampires have many weaknesses, but they sure have means to back up their threat level other than being an humanoid mosquito
Lucas Nguyen
Did you forget that a lich will go insane?
Tyler Rodriguez
Add in that you have to seal the body in its coffin with eucarist wafer dough, stuff the mouth with garlic and keep them pinned with said stake if you want them to stay dead (untill someone digs them up).
Or you can cut off the head, stuff the mouth with garlic, stake them, stuff both sides of the neck wound with white rose petals, burn the body, mix the ashes with more white rose petals, and then scatter the ashes at a crossroads and hope their ghost can't find you.
Alexander James
>decapitation (which means a headshot should also drop them) >piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) Both of these are completely wrong, though. Brain damage doesn't equal decapitation, and you need to pierce the heart with a poplar stake, lead bullet will do jackshit.
Carson Foster
You must be scared shitless of Blackula.
Anthony Russell
Bear in mind that this was also at dawn, and after a long boat ride, his weakest possible moment. Van Helsing knew what he was doing.
Sebastian Nelson
>Transformation >Extreme levels of charisma >Able to hide vampiric nature >A gaze that crushes your will and forces you into submission >Able to propagate infinitely >Immunity to all known and unknown diseases, poisons, toxins, and so on >The weaknesses actually have to be known to the opponent
Christopher Turner
That ending was so great. Things really escalate into such a satisfying climax.
Kayden Moore
Woooooooo, sick sunlight burn
Dominic Perry
what a waste of good digits
Gabriel Richardson
Everything sucked in Skyrim, that doesn't mean that Norse culture and mythos and dragons all suck.
Ian Robinson
that didn't even fucking kill him. if you remember the plot hook at the end of the book, van helsing remembered that he had to be stabbed with a stake of Hawthorn to finish it. he was going to go back the following night to finish it.
Luis Reed
>decapitation (which means a headshot should also drop them) Nope it requires separation so anything short of a calibre sufficient to divorce head from body is non-effective. >piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) With a wooden stake so unless you can make a wooden bullet the most advanced tech your looking at is the crossbow.
Anthony Edwards
Dracula was a BAMF.
Carson Cooper
Jesus, dude. How many weaknesses do humans have and they can still kill you pretty easily. Hell, we've been able to wreck an entire planet.
Christian Cooper
>silver
There may be a lot of old myths about silver's mystical properties, but it was never a "werewolf's only weakness." That was entirely invented by the 1941 Wolfman film.
Michael Williams
>it's not Twilight's fault Watch out boys, we have ourselves an Edward fan here.
Jaxson Ward
>Dracula was the cancer that actually killed vampires but before Dracula they were yet another bunch of generic mythological monsters, likely based on real-life disease porphiria (or whatever it's called in english) and had zero redeeming qualities. they weren't awesome. at all.
Brandon Ramirez
It's usually presented as a curse and they hide it as long as they can. You'd be afraid of them only because of their ability to Glamor and getting sucked dry in the middle of the night (Heyooooo).
Unlike Werewolfs they tend to kill their wits and therefor not reveal themselves as quickly and explosively. If a werewolf eats 5 kids and strewns their entrails all over the remains of their house, hunters get called in QUICK and HEAVY. If a noblewoman starts wasting away with a strange bite on her neck every few weeks, someone may recognize it and start looking around for the guy that doesn't seem to go out much at noon.
Wyatt Gray
>Running water and garlic are both incredibly minor issues. Running water is such a big problem that white wolf said that they got rid of it since the modern sewer system would just paralyze every vampire.
Leo Myers
Don't they have to try to directly cross it, though? I mean, they can uses bridges, can't they?
Aaron Barnes
This is basically warhammer fantasy vampires, they're cool.
Skyrim was supposed to have vampires that could reach out from under the ice and grab you. But cool lore is too hard to code.
Owen Rodriguez
You forgot >weakness to claymore mines with blessed ball bearings
Isaac Phillips
wow, that's cool. ain't there a mod for that?
Caleb Adams
>quints >of 5 WITNESSED
Evan Ward
Carmilla and Lord Ruthven both predate Dracula, and they were a lot more gay.
Sorry you have terrible taste in myths and think ghouls are more fun than moral panic stories about seductive horrors.
Landon Butler
I'm not entirely sure how it worked in the original myths, but most works that use it as a weakness make it so they can't cross running by themselves. They need outside help to do so. Like in Dracula, he wasn't able to to get up and do things when he was being ferried up the river, he had people that loaded him in a coffin onto the boat and then did the work to move it. Nothing's ever really clear on what happens if they try or if it just acts as a barrier but sort of think of it as they turn back into a corpse when over running water. I think it makes it easier to figure out how'd they overcome it as an obstacle that way.
Kayden Roberts
Meant to link not
Gabriel Garcia
Stoker didn't make them gay, they've been gay since Carmilla started the curse. Thus proving homosexuality is tied to blood and dna
Evan Cooper
Maybe the fact he couldn't use his powers during the day is because he was focusing on not turning into a small, nondescript pile of ash that would subsequently be stepped int by a peasant.
Kayden Peterson
>let me make something fit my headcanon >I'm clever guis
Wyatt Miller
STANDING BY!
Joshua Robinson
>forgetting they got no reflection so they butt ugly, cant take care of appearances properly >forgetting modern vamps might be OCD >forgetting they gotta be invited inside everywhere
Owen Martinez
It's quiet common for vampires to only be able to cross running water when standing on soil (or grave soil). If you go with this version then running water in modern areas wouldn't be a paralyzing issue. It might even be interesting since it would mean vampires have to navigate the urban landscape in an entirely different way, avoiding areas where they piping isn't deep enough to be covered by soil.
Anthony Rodriguez
what if you put a layer of grave soil into your boots?
Thomas Gonzalez
It would probably leave you crotch vulnerable.
Austin Davis
>immortal I mean obviously not with the whole fire thing.
Jackson Myers
wait, so all those buggers with uglyass baggy pants that make them look as if they shat themselves are actually vampires carrying grave soil in their pants to protect their scrotums from effect of running water? my mind is blown
Cooper Moore
I like to think that vampires DID use to be pretty powerful and ruled men like cattle.
But then they moved out of the stone age and it all got worse from there, now all the vampires are all hiding away because they no longer understand the world around them.
Sebastian Thompson
>lust, love, happiness Jesus vampires must have it fucking drab.
Vampire suicide hotline must be constantly going off.
Blake Rivera
>Implying There is nothing wrong with liches, you're just jealous.
Carson Gray
t. Lich von Evilwizard
Eli Martin
Enemies with weird weaknesses are fun, especially if they're smart and have devised ways to protect themselves.
Tyler Edwards
Also anyone who read Carpe Jugulum will know that a vampire's weaknesses are his strength and are necessary for his extended well-being
Charles Sullivan
nah they dont feel sadness or depression either. Just neutral all the time
Lucas Cook
that's worse than depression
Oliver Cruz
>Why would anyone want to be a vampire The funny thing is, that arguably you never become a vampire, no matter how hard you try. Vampires forego their souls, so basically anyone who goes through great lengths of effort to make sure they can unlock these amazing powers just get booted down into hell while an empty shell goes running around scaring towns folk and feeling rather dapper about itself.
John Perez
>devised ways to protect themselves
>Paladin holds his mighty shield >"Now fiend! Bask in the holy glory of the Sun!" >Vampire just casually puts on sunglasses as the shield starts to glow. >"What... Why isn't it working?" >"Sunglasses." >"No, but it's supposed to burn your skin!" >"What? I took a bath in like a gallon of sun lotion the moment I heard you beat in the head of the lackey I had guarding the main gate. Do you genuinely think Vampires are this white naturally?"
Nolan Sullivan
not really. You have to step outside of your human reference point. You are undead. You dont experience "emotions" as we know them. You simply exist. It is neither "good" not "bad", it just is.
Sebastian Hernandez
>sunlight may destroy
>fire Exactly like all other creatures burn.
>decapitation (which means a headshot should also drop them) Exactly like all other creatures
>piercing the heart (again bullet would suffice) Only if pierced by a wooden stake that remains in the heart. Remove the stake, the vampire is able to move again. Unlike all other creatures where piercing the heart is fatal.
>can't cross running water depending on the mythology, yes or no.
>they only can feed on blood Depending on the mythology, yes or no.
>allergic to garlic Depending on the mythology, yes or no.
you also missed out the ability to change shape, the mind control, the telepathy and assorted mind-reading, the ability to turn to mist, the ability to make others follow them, the vast resources that may be at their disposal, the sorcery, the inhuman strength, the ability to come back from the dead by having blood spilled on their ashes, the ability to regenerate from wounds others would consider fatal, and the fact that they can ignore injuries that would incapacitate any other person.