How would the Imperium treat a newly found colony that can produce Spartan IIs and IIIs. I know Space Marines are better but the Imperium could still use them.
I would guess they would be produce as part of the planetary Tithe and be sent to the Guard or Inquisition (For bodyguards or Stormtroopers).
This also assumes that this world can produce the power armor for them, so how does that effect this worlds standing?
For the hell of it lets call this world Reach.
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Bring them into the fold, take their shit.
That's standard procedure.
If somehow these guys are Chaos corrupted they might get CLEANSEPURGEKILL'd.
The authors are inconsistent about how reasonably the Imperium acts.
That said, it tends to lean on the unreasonable side if it can afford to,
and on the reasonable side when it cannot.
If they're doing well enough to have the time to find new colonies,
they're probably doing well enough to get away with being unreasonable.
Either way Mechanicus would declare it heretekal.
Not that they would necessarily have much influence.
You know just as well as I that a Mechanicus fleet would be dispatched to purge them for being "Hereteks" and straying from the Omnissiahs light
Why would the tech priests be butthurt?
Because someone built shit that wasn't them!
So, what... a planet produces carapace armor and highly trained soldiers?
The fucking Schola Progenium takes over the training and the Mechanicus takes over the armor manufacturing facilities, what do you think?
They're basically stormtroopers already, anyway.
Produces power armor. carapace armor is good but actual PA is better.
Spartan armor has integrated force-fields, and the Spartans themselves are heavily cybernetically augmented. They're a step above normal stormtroopers.
Powered armor with regenerating shields. The Imperium has Iron Halos, but that shit is just rare relics which cannot be reproduced. The technology on Reach is enough to double to durability of the common space marine by giving EVERY SM their own shield, if nothing else, as well as giving them the technological means to create platoons of 'lite-marine' spartans to bolster the effectiveness of their normal forces. Spartans are each worth 100 men in a battle, but there is a high risk of the person dying in the process of the many enhancement surgeries required to make one.
The Imperium would have no problem just churning people into the surgical grinder to make waves of spartans. Indeed, I can assure you that at least one inquisitor or planetary governor is going to abuse the fuck out of the fact that they can have near-space marine level troops that are not technically space marines and not covered by any of the existing restrictions on them.
And lets not forget that a Spartan 2 can flip a tank over with their bare hands, and has an absurd vertical leap. In the books, the Mjolnir armor gives Chief the reaction time necessary to slap away a gunship fired rocket with his hand causing it to explode, while outrunning enough of the blast that his shields absorbed the damage. The Space Marine might be tankier, but even in 40k Spartans are no joke.
>Be Eldar
>Invadin a Maiden World those dumbass Mon'keigh decided to colonize with their grubby fuckin hands
>Be guarding the webway portal to the world
>See 5 of the Mon'keigh rolling up in one of their laughable excuses for transport
>No doors, no mounted weapons, not even a ram on the front
>They're armed with a collection of primitive autoguns
>Armor in what appears to be slightly more advanced carapace armor
>kekingCegorach.jpeg
>Me and mah fellow Master race get ready to slaughter these retards
>As they get closer they begin to speed up like the intend to ram us
>kekingharderCegorach.gif
>Suddenly the driver hits the brakes while the other five leap out
>10 gods damned meters away from us
>They can jump, so what?
>I ready my blade to meet them head on as they land
>As I swing my sword at the leaders neck, I can only laugh at the easy kill
>My sword hits nothing
>Fucking what
>He's already next to me with his hand buried up to the wrist in my spine
>Fucking what times two
>Look behind me as the Banshee is fucking inpaled on her own sword
>The squad of gaurdians open up on them
>They fucking dodge around the worst of it while what I can only assume to be shields absorbs the rest
>Sothisishowitfeels.jpeg
>They are promptly shredded with return fire as the Mon'keigh leap around
>That's our fucking shtick you bastards
>I hear the webway portal open and see a Warlock step out looking ready to whip ass
>Thank Fucking Khaine
>CRASH
>The fucking transport they came in on just crushed our only hope
>Look back and see the driver standing their looking like a smug prick without actually looking like a smug prick
>Realize that the dude finger fucking my vertebrae had already fucked off back to his transport
>MFW they are already heading off in the direction of the next portal
>MFW I know how it feels on the other side
>MFW I have no idea how many of these fuckers are running around
All I could think of while reading this.
They'd love it. You've basically got some mini-marines.
>spartan II's become a possibly cheaper alternative for rapid reaction in sectors where SM are not stationed and a viable alternative as SM 'lites' that can be made faster in larger numbers than a normal SM
>spartan III's become backbone of inquisitorial stormroopers, maybe a whole IG section comprised of III's
>150 years+ after discovery, assuming everything goes well, hundreds of thousands of III's as a main line army with II's acting as cheap marines
really, with time, III's will slowly replace IG and II will just be a cheaper version of a SM. SM still have a function, but they are used more specialized than they are now
also, III's best spartans
Everything I've heard about the Mechanicus leads me to believe they'd throw an gigantic shit fit.
What the fuck did I just watch.
>assuming everything goes well
It would be fun though, so fuck that grimdark shit.
>III's best Spartans
>Actually being this retarded
Faggot
SLY MARBO
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
No, no, no. We totally found an STC for them.. They're not heretical xenotech at all, why do you ask?
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>You get some Stormtroopers+
Genetic engineering and modification is pretty common among the upper echelon of the Imperial Armed Forces.
on a tabletop level... you'd have D-99 troopers with a 3+ armour save.
Doesn't the Imperium have a problem with AI?
Let's not forget tech heresy.
If they're too reliant on ai or diverge from ascribed tech ritual, that's a purging.
Whatever happens, they're probably gonna be converted into a forge world.
Spartan skitarii
Their shielding tech is going to be dissected a thousand times and retooled to work in imperial tech though.
Imagine if you could equip stormtroopers with void shielding. Or skitarii. Or pretty much anything more valuable than a guardsman.
Oh hella problems. The AIs would be the main sticking point really. The rest of it is just human made innovations, which while we joke the AdMech hate they'd really be very interested. They're not stupid, just extemely cautious. And can you blame them considering the setting?
The AI though are a no no. Purge them all. Not one. Rely on cloned sanctified brain tissue for cogitators or nothing.
Fortunately Spartans don't generally carry around AI and usually just have an on board computer to manage their armor. Which is totally okay. That's just a machine spirit, everything has those.
But Cortana is going to get her hard drive taped to a meltabomb, spaced and detonated.
And then maybe shot at for good measure.
...
I mean...yeah. This exactly.
Imperium contacting Halo humanity means every xeno in the 40K galaxy is SOL. Not because Halo UNSC is so great, but because they have so many little improvements that, with the Imperium's economic backing, would exponentially increase the Imperium's power level until they reached or eclipsed the Golden Age.
To be honest, mate, a Spartan is probably nowhere near as fast as an eldar. Especially an aspect warrior.
Considering that most orks are S3, like eldar, and eldar routinely do shit that takes extraordinary strength, eldar v Spartans is probably a pretty fair-ish fight.
>But Cortana is going to get her hard drive taped to a meltabomb, spaced and detonated.
You do realize that this invokes the wrath of a main character, right?
Really though, it's kinda silly to assume the UNSC would just jump into the Imperium. They'd find the IoM absolutely abhorrent and would probably fight harder against them than they did against the Covenant. They'd lose, but I don't see them giving the Imperium anything except a bunch of glassed planets and a heap of dead guardsmen.
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Yeah I know, but I was mainly going off of the fact that this would be first encounter and the Eldar would be expecting them to be slightly better equipped guardsmen. Also for the keks, "finger fucking my vertebrae" was my favorite part
>Implying
Bruh.
The UNSC has a glorified light tank firing APCBC-HE as their MBT and they're still using 7.62 NATO to try and fuck up Ayys.
Yeah, but the standard issue is the armor-piercing versions of those rounds. So yeah, the standard issue infantry weapons of the UNSC won't do shit to the heavy armor of the space marines, but it should do just fine against flak or wraith bone body armor. For the space marines or xeno equivalent, the have the Spartan Laser (basically man portable las-cannon) or the rail gun. So if the space marines do attack UNSC infantry they'll still be fucked, just not any worse than guardsmen. But UNSC is beaten in just about every other area though.
Depends by what metric you're using.
Video game v. Tabletop comparison and you'd be spot on, but that's a shitty way to do a match-up. I mean, by your logic a Guardsman is as strong as an Ork or Eldar because they all have S3.
Lore v. Lore is the better way to do these sort of match-ups, and there's a massive difference between the lore depiction of these characters and the game depiction.
I said little improvements. Efficient recharging energy shields, brilliant and steadfastly loyal AI, Non-Warp FTL, well-trained special forces (ODST are basically Stormtroopers or better considering their track record), and not to mention the SPARTAN program, which was able to create near-Space Marine (some might argue on par!) supersoldiers. Hell, Master Chief and Noble 6 alone could probably empty a Craftworld given a week.
They also got a fighting ethic that aligns very well with the Imerium (hold the line, die fighting, no surrender, if you gotta go then blow up everything with you, etc), and if it's around the Halo 3 time period, then there's a major anti-xeno sentiment to connect the two. If Halo 4 goddamn I hate post-Reach Halo games is anything to go by, they are also masters of reverse engineering other peoples' tech and using it against them.
>Armor Piercing
Which has different affects upon flesh than most other rounds. An Ork won't give a single shit if you just punch a through AP rounds in his gut because they're less likely to yaw, or deform because of the harder core of the round. The Imperium already HAS man-portable lascannons. Halo is largely inflated with a lot of bullshit that shouldn't work. 40k is too, but it doesn't actually try to justify how it works. The Spartans would be a little better than Kasrkin. Their augments are mainly focused on strength, stamina and speed. The Imperium would be easily capable of providing their own variations on it, which would most likely be improved through the addition of something like an auto-sanguine.
You keep forgetting that those energy shields are reverse engineered xeno-tech. The AdMech would certainly investigate them, but you wouldn't see anything from that investigation for decades, if not centuries. A.I would by no means be adopted, especially with their habit of going rampant in a 'short' period of time, and the ODST are pretty much Halo Harakoni. Well armored and armored airborne Stormtroopers.
>Master Chief and Noble 6
You are vastly overestimating how fast the Eldar are. They are capable of out-pacing Astartes, and have been known to dodge lasfire because of their speed and ability to judge angles of fire.
Underestimating*
Apologies.
Basically, 40K has low granularity, and S3 is a broad range.
Fluffdar jump several meters through the air, punch people's chest cavities in, and move so fast you can literally blink and miss them. This kind of stuff requires some serious musculature.
Remember, these dudes are a bioengineered warrior race. They're just not designed the same way Marines are.
>You keep forgetting that those energy shields are reverse engineered xeno-tech.
Their shield tech made advances using xeno-tech, but ONI already had functioning shield technology. It was just shit. It wasn't until near the end of the war (where the Halo games take place) that they made the breakthrough for personal shielding that the Mjolnir system utilized.
They may be able to figure out where the sudden boost came from, but it's just as likely that the shield tech is all-human and only using the Xeno science as a guideline on how to improve their work. I mean, 2+2=4 regardless of how many legs you have.
>Basically, 40K has low granularity, and S3 is a broad range.
I've always seen the stat system as being more or less exponential, with S4 being basically multiple times the strength of S3 and continuing on like that.
And a Tech-Priest that takes 'inspiration' from Xeno-Tech can also be culled or punished. Not to mention whatever else the UNSC might have taken from the Covenant and their Sanghelli allies.
Underrated post.
And they may be outnumbered, but, one they captured a group of makes and realized the scope of the imperium?
The hundreds of halo arrays spread through the universe are suddenly looking pretty handy, and tbe imperium doesnt know they exist, or what theyre for, or how to use them.
Imperium may well win, but their imperium would be fucking devastated in the process.
My point is - how do you figure out where human science ends and xeno science begins? If it's all in the same field and not using radically different methods of logic?
Mind you, they've got thinking AI - so if any tech-heresy was going to be declared, that's where the hammer would fall.
My point is that it'd be another nail in the coffin. The AdMech would NOT want to truck with the UNSC. They'd just as sooner ramp up their manufacturing of already existing Imperial shield technology.
I was just saying Halo infantry would be able to hold its own against 40k infantry, I never said they would actually win. If I had to say, I would put UNSC marines on the same level as Cadians, ODST with Scions, and Spartans as buffed scouts.
>spartans as buffed scouts
that would only be the III's. the II's (depending on writer) fall somewhere between the two, with age playing a significant factor as the augs used by the UNSC to make spartans improve effectiveness with age
>fall somewhere between the two
meant to say between a III and a SM, once again depending on writter
The Galaxy at large would be devestated(read destroyed, well except the Necrons). The UNSC could pull a repeat of the Forerunners but actually have some if their own people in the indexes (or whatever the things the forerunners kept live samples of the various species in) and just light those bitches up. Hell, they'll definitely improve the galaxy at least. And if the tyranids aren't affected (are they intelligent enough?) then it's just a waiting game for them to fuck off.
Oh, and there's only seven arrays, they just had a fuckhuge range
>are they intellignet enough
'intelligence' was just a thing they said so they didn't have to give specifics with the arrays actually affecting something with a developed enough nervous system.
The best thing for everyone is if the cogboys were not, at least initially, involved.
Implying the UNSC, which couldn't stop the covenant from stomping it's main military Base at reach, and glassing half of earth, could stand up to the billion deaths a day Imperium Of Man. They wouldn't even need a crusade to win.
Doesn't halo take place in a much smaller space than 40k? Who is to say the forerunners didn't set up more arrays father out.
They'd supplement the guard would likely be seen as a nice bridge gap between guardsmen and space marines.
Not nearly as deadly as the Marines but a hell of alot better than a guardsmen regiment.
This is of course assuming someone doesn't call them heresy for attempting to recreate what the great emperor brought forth long ago, they are actual humans and fall in line with the imperium.
Well, the halo games take place in our arm of the milky way, but the seven arrays are scattered all around the galaxy. IIRC they had a range of something like 250,000 light years.
Doesn't 40k cover more than the entire milky way?
No iron halos are just item with conversion fields on them. They are produced just in limited quantities.
True regardless of context.
Don't both 40k and Halo take place inside of a single galaxy? You could argue that Halo is a much smaller space simply because there aren't as many colonised worlds.
Depends on how you look at the tech. If the Imperium can't mass produce the same results, Spartans may end up being specialised troops used only for very specific missions.
Does the UNSC have the capacity to produce an entire regiment of power armoured Spartans?
No user they really are, Space Marines are faster than Aspect Warriors each of which makes Master Chief seem like a weakling you fail to grasp the firepower levels at play here user, Chief MIGHT survive two or three lasgun shots, let alone shuriken rifle or shoota fire
*Spartan IIs are a joke
probably pulled by some low level adminustratum drone, especially when you take into account their main weapon is literally something not given an AP value
>Chief MIGHT survive two or three lasgun shots
Chief would take more damage from las or plasma fire than he would from shuriken or shoota fire.
His shields work better against kinetic impact than they do against energy impact.
His power armour, as far as defensive attributes goes, is on par with around about carapace level. It's simply better than carapace because of the extra augmentation built into the suit.
And any argument based on Master Chief being a weakling falls apart when you remember that Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines have canonically been killed by singular guardsmen.
>carapace armor
>Master Chief
>The guy who once walked off a fall from high orbit/fucking space
I thought 40k was dozens of galaxies, no?
>Chief would take more damage from las or plasma fire than he would from shuriken or shoota fire
>MFW
clearly someone doesn't understand the sheer ammount of ammunition expended in a single second by a Shuriken Weapon (hint in the hundreds of rounds per second) forgetting about the high-energy pulses that effectively make it an energy/ slug hybrid
Forgetting that based off of the noise the weapons make the Orks believe the damage is increased so therefore it is forgetting they're equivalent to a Space Marine Bolter in sheer firepower, if lacking slightly in the Armor Penetration department
>Space Marines are faster than Aspect Warriors
Pffft.
This is the point where you know this guy is completely off the rails here.
>Thinking falling from orbit is related to armor in this universe
>thinks this makes the master chief special
>Tempestus Scions have been in worse situations before
>doesn't realize orks can do this with a t-shirt (6+) save
Fine Space Marines are slower, but these buffoons still think that the Spartans would do literally anything other than being Exterminatused for tech heresy
I'm not saying shuriken or shoota's are shit dude, I'm saying Mjolnir's shield tech has a fundamental weakness to energy based weaponry.
It's not the augments that are the main problem, it's the people. The spartans have to be genetically capable with the augments. IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments. Their minds were fine, but their bodies were ruined, the wash-outs were used as tacticians if I remembered right.
Also:
Halo takes place in the milky way galaxy, same galaxy size and general shape(give or take 37,000 years of change) as 40k's galaxy. The GAMES take place in the Orion Arm(our arm of the galaxy IIRC), mainly around Earth and its colonies in a few thousand light year radius in bits and pieces (ex, one piece is Earth, one is Reach, one is the ring from CE, etc.). The Halo UNIVERSE takes place entirely in the Orion Arm, Human, Covenant, whatever, it takes place in the Arm. However, the Forerunners (and ancient Humanity before the Human-Forerunner war)[/spoilers] were spread out through the entirety of the galaxy. And by extension, so was the Flood when it began munching on the Forerunners. Now, the Forerunners couldn't kill the Flood itself because it spread faster than herpes and was as deadly as cyanide (the fact it got smarter with every intelligent being it consumed, memories and all, certainly didn't help), so the decided to kill what they could. It's food. Basically, every organic being of sufficient intelligence and biomass. So, they built seven fuckhuge weaponized ring worlds, catalogued and collected samples of every species that was gonna be affected (Human, Covenant, the probably dozens of other species scattered throughout the galaxy), and fired those bitches, wiping themselves out in the process.
So, the thing to remember about the Halo series is that while it may seem small compared to 40k, it because it focuses on Humanity's struggles in our small part of the galaxy.
But we've already debunked it's inherent usefulness, unless you're willing to field it in regiments (which the Mechanicus would be against as it doesn't fall in line with their religion, making it impossible to obtain in the requisite numbers) where it would be cheaper to have Tempestus Scions do the job as effectively.
SHIT, my [/spoiler] didn't work
>But we've already debunked it's inherent usefulness
What? Link?
Mjolnir armour is inherently superior to carapace armour on an individual level, but yeah - it's unlikely to be able to be produced on a mass scale.
>It's not the augments that are the main problem, it's the people. The spartans have to be genetically capable with the augments. IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments. Their minds were fine, but their bodies were ruined, the wash-outs were used as tacticians if I remembered right.
A lot of the surviving washouts did move on to important roles in ONI and UNSC.
But hey, numbers are never an issue. 40k has a meatgrinder mentality when it comes to manpower.
In the Halo universe, losing a planet is a catastrophe of the highest order because there just isn't that many human colonies.
In 40k they might not even notice that a planet had been flat out destroyed for years, if ever.
it may take time for the wider imperium too notice a lost planet. but every lost planet is felt. Habitable planets are are rare commodity in 40k things like exterminatus are a worse case last resort. It's just grimdark so the worst case happens rather often.
My point is that the human population in the 40k verse is an order of magnitude greater than the Halo verse.
Half the grey knight novels revolve around the fact that the Imperium at large can't keep track of it's myriad planets and let's them go rogue through poor management.
> Fluffdar jump several meters through the air, punch people's chest cavities in, and move so fast you can literally blink and miss them.
Spartans accomplish most of those, the only thing they lack is the pure speed. They are fast, but not that fast. They do, however, have retardedly fast computer assisted reaction time. Like, to the point that they actually had to tone it down because the spartans were reporting that when their adrenaline was pumping the world moved in such slow motion it was actually fucking with their combat flow because they were getting BORED waiting for for their actions to resolve after making the decision to do them.
>yfw Emps communicates to Astropaths that the UNSC are the reclaimers
>yfw Astropaths and Inquisition do to the UNSC exactly what the Covenant did
>yfw Emperor goes Starchild and says verbatim "I hope that Didact asshole got his man he was a douche"
> IIRC, out of the 300 original Spartan-II's like 75 to 100 were permanently crippled by the augments.
I think that's still better success rates than Marines.
But this thread got me thinking that anyone you'd be able to turn into a SPARTAN is probably someone compatible with being a Space Marine, so wouldn't you want to turn them into a Space Marine even if it's longer odds they'll make it to full Battle Brother?
The big gain with SPARTAN tech to me seems like you could use it on females. Not to disrespect the Sororitas or anything, but I'm betting that a female SPARTAN of any stripe is going to outclass a Sister of Battle.
>several orders of magnitude
Its estimated that at any given time there are approximately 1,000,000 worlds at ant given time, accounting for the natural growth of the Imperium and fall of planets at any time
All the Space Marine Chapters have their own process for recruiting. I reckon let them keep their process, and anyone who doesn't make the cut get the Spartan job.
That'd work, maybe, for the Ultramarines (whose process probably doesn't entail something like putting the hundred or so people who pass the genetic screenings and what not into a pit and making them fight to the death until like ten are left), and then, the ones who don't make the cut would probably still rather be Chapter Serfs than go and be SPARTANS.
>Rampant
>AI
it is at that point that the research goes into the trash and is thrown into a blackhole, along with every AI they can find
>Mjolnir armour is inherently superior to carapace armor on an individual level, but yeah - it's unlikely to be able to be produced on a mass scale.
They can mass produce the armor all they want, the problem is they can't mass produce the troops.
The UNSC actually has the armor before the spartans themselves. In the books, you see them put an unmodified human into the suit. The first time he moves his arm, the armor moves too fast for his frail human body to keep up and it breaks his arm in 5 places. The pain of which causes him to recoil, causing various breaks and ruptures in the rest of his body. He was dead within seconds of turning it on.
The spartan IIs are made to survive using the armor, peak physical condition augmented with armored bones and cybernetic enhancements + gene therapies. They are literally Space Marines, just without 40ks lore multiplier.
If you mass produce Mjolnir armor for the guard without doing the rest of the enhancements, all you have done is make convenient guardsmen pulping machines.
>They can mass produce the armor all they want, the problem is they can't mass produce the troops.
What makes you think that?
See >Its estimated that at any given time there are approximately 1,000,000 worlds at ant given time, accounting for the natural growth of the Imperium and fall of planets at any time
If there's one thing they can do, it's mass-produce troops.
Shit, the 40k setting could mass produce Space Marines if they didn't have the whole religious aspect to their creation and had preserved the scientific knowledge of the process.
I now want to see Forerunner AI as a faction in the tabletop for 40K. Guilty Spark and his fellow Custodians go full Rampant and decide to wipe everything out.
They juuuust need to trick a human into firing the goddamn rings.
>bioengineered warrior race
Spartan-IIs are taken from their homes at the age of six. They're taken away from their families and raised as a soldier. In addition to having their humanity whipped out of them, they also have genetic engineering turning them into super humans. The book "Fall of Reach" goes so far as to describe Kelly as being difficult to follow her movements due to her speed, Linda as an impossibly good sniper, with awesome awareness, not to mention John's bullshit luck practically being a deus ex machina. Their adaptability and what i'm going to call weapon instinct allows them to find alien weapons and simply know how they work. The books also constantly reference the SPARTAN-IIs as far superior to humans and how awesome they are.
And that's all without their Mjolnir power armour, which augments all of their nature abilities even farther.
What this nigger says is all true. The only issue I have with what he says is implying that the UNSC, on its own or after being absorbed by the Imperium, wouldn't be willing to kidnap shitloads of kids and make shitloads of spartans.
>wouldn't be willing to kidnap shitloads of kids and make shitloads of spartans.
Yea, I agree there, considering what the S-III program was. The UNSC would certainly try to outpace the Imperium's production. However, considering the fact the UNSC doesn't have plans to recruit babies conceived when mixed regiments go through the Warp for a few months, they simply won't be able to.
They'll damn well try, however.
Also, your post made me realize that the UNSC would probably DESPERATELY try to kill/capture/disect a Space Marine, thinking that the Marines were the leaders of the entire Imperium somehow. Either that, or the initial contact would go "oh, we're both humans!" and then the ONI would have a shitstorm trying to fight Inquisitors.
UNSC vs IoM would be much quieter than these threads imply, IMO.
Technically the UNSC 'smart' AIs are brains (usually harvested from recently deceased donors but in very rare cases cloned) that are then digitized. The UNSC might be able to swing this as humans joining with the glorious machine spirits, and the AdMech might buy this. The UNSC also uses 'dumb' AIs but those aren't usually sapient and are really more complex guidance systems or VIs.
>Also, your post made me realize that the UNSC would probably DESPERATELY try to kill/capture/disect a Space Marine, thinking that the Marines were the leaders of the entire Imperium somehow. .
...what?
People are forgetting that the "SPARTAN" IVs can be made from normal people and that the newer generations of MJOLNIR are usable by those minimally-enhanced pissants.
>The UNSC actually has the armor before the spartans themselves
Nope. The MJOLNIR that they used for SPARTANS was actually developed in tandem with the SPARTAN program, they just tried testing it on normal people as you said.
>John's bullshit luck practically being a deus ex machina
He's the inheritor of the Mantle :^)
I'd say there'd be a bit of violent conflict due to the UNSC's tech, which would be considered heretical (AIs being the most egregious despite being scanned from human brains) but then the UNSC would get quietly snapped up and integrated.
The shielding tech used by the UNSC is actually reversed engineered xeno-tech. Which is to say the Imps would probably be a bit pissed this was done unsanctioned. They might make a show of punishing them for it while feverishly learning to use it them selves.
Just look at how they handled Covenant tech. The ONI seized and desperately lunged at every piece of technology the Covies had. Repurposing everything, incorporating it or dying in the process of trying.
Remember how the ONI were going to try abducting a Prophet before they even fully knew what a Prophet was? That is mostly spitballing, however, and is a huge stretch.
A lot of things would have to go wrong first, but the ONI prioritizing the reverse-engineering a Space Marine wouldn't be far-fetched.
no the Silica Animus is the kind of abomination only the worst hereteks turn themselves into.
>A lot of things would have to go wrong first, but the ONI prioritizing the reverse-engineering a Space Marine wouldn't be far-fetched.
That wasn't what I was confused by. I am confused by your notion that they'd think a clear warrior caste were somehow the rulers of the Imperium.
>>yfw Astropaths and Inquisition do to the UNSC exactly what the Covenant did
You mean some how fuck-up so bad that they lose what should have been an easy curb-stomp battle that went in their favor?
They're notably bigger, they're revered by holy texts, called "angels" by the Guardsmen who don't know any better (read as: any Guardsman with less than 3min combat time), and are effectively immortal badasses. If the ONI doesn't know of the scope of the Imperium, I would imagine some big-wig would go "well it's just a runaway Insurrectionist and clearly these super-warriors are the commanders that run everything."
>Hey guys, how would the Imperium react to X!
From what I understand, short of anything outright heretical, it is entirely dependent upon who finds them and whatever Inquisitor conducts the initial investigation
Nah, more like "STOP ANYONE FROM KNOWING THAT GOD LIKES THESE GUYS."
That's the entire reason the Covenant went to war with Humanity, and also the reason the Prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy run everything as part of an oligarchy.