I got banned from my L"F"GS today because the owner was telling our gaming group that we are his least profitable group...

>I was only pretending to be retarded!

The parking lot was after I was asked to leave. I was walking to my car and a friend showed up. I told him what had happened and that I was going home. The store owner came out and started going at me and the friend. The friend is literally the unabrasive guy I have ever met. He said, sir, we are having a private conversation. That is when the no such thing as a private conversation quote came from. It was totally disconnected from the "bannable" offence.

From what I know somebody brought in a bottle of water the week before and there is a no outside food or drinks rule. I haven't brought in anything but somebody did and I don't even know who.

I totally understand saying something about a rule being broken. I told him i had no knowledge about it and he started going on about our group and how little money we spend. I know we aren't MTG or Yugioh so there is no way we are where he makes his money. To tell us all we do is take up space where he would rather have MTG is a little over the line because we do spend money. Not heaps of it but we always spend.

>We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Just because a business is open to the public, doesn't mean it's not on private property. Returning to private property you've been told to leave, is trespassing, and the police can most certainly do something about it.

This story sounds like every drunk I've ever thrown out who thinks the bar is their fucking basement.

The fuck are you on? Yes the Police WOULD absolutely enforce your removal. A Game Store is not a public space, it is a private business. If a property owner or tenant does not want you in their place of business and you refuse to leave, most states consider that Trespassing.

Also, why are you bringing up shooting? The fuck is wrong with you? You'd seriously shoot somebody over being thrown out of a game store?

For fuck sake, just find another store. If the owner of your last FLGS is a dick, find another place to play magic, Force of Will Warhams or whatever it is you play. I'm sure his other customers will follow suit if he keeps being a dick.

That is, assuming that you aren't actually the villain in this story.

>first amendment
Americans are in the mess they're in now because they have no fucking idea as to how their laws are actually suppose to work.

No, chuckles; if a patron is doing something to disturb the clientele or is making the place into a bad scene, the owner can bar them service. It's literally why "disturbing the peace" and "harassment" or things you can be arrested for. I know you Yanks absolutely want hate speech to be supported by law, but that's not what the first amendment is for.

> I know we aren't MTG or Yugioh
What do you play then?

>What do you play then?
The group I was there for was a Pokemon league. I probably should have mentioned that in the original post.

Store owner of FLGS threatened to ban me unless I went into the back room and had sex with his wife while he watched. She was fat and smelled like pancakes but its the only store within 60 miles so I pounded that hambeast.

No that didn't happen

Friendly reminder that this either didn't happen or OP is probably a total sperg who did something to deserve this and doesn't understand.

He probably banned you because it was creepy having a 32 year old man playing with 10 year olds

I'd believe the general premise before I'd believe OP

This entire "muh rights" conversation is entirely meaningless.

The business owner can throw out whoever he wants as long as he isn't discriminating based on race/sex/religion, but just because someone CAN do something doesn't mean they SHOULD.

Unfortunately it's not terribly uncommon for certain people to quickly go from "I can do [thing]" to "I'm going to do [thing] just because I can". Someone can be the King Asshole of Earth without ever doing anything they aren't perfectly entitled to do if they put their mind to it.

Also, just because it's bad for business doesn't mean some business owners won't do it. On of my local shops basically only exists because the owners are rich nerds, and while one of them is ok the other will explode on an autistic power trip if given the slightest perceived excuse. Customers have certainly been lost that way, but it doesn't much matter to them because they're the only MTG shop in that part of town and the profits from that business aren't their livelihood.

Either this store owner is the cuntiest man on the planet, or there are yet more details you're leaving out of this.

Has he talked to you about this before?

Did you mouth off to him when he told you this?

Has anyone ever complained that members of your group are especially, err "fragrant?" Or that you are annoying or obnoxious?

Basically what I'm asking is if there were any prior reasons this guy might have had for booting you from his property?

You have no clue how the First Amendment works or what it means.

> thus if he wants to ban you for saying a word he cannot count on the police to enforce it because they cannot censor free speech.
A store is PRIVATE property, your ability to be on that property is at the sole discretion of the owner. If they ask you to leave, as long as it is not as said for a reason of race, religion or sexual orientation, you can bet your ass the police will escort you off the property if it comes to that.

>you would have grounds to sue it for your First Amendment rights.
It doesn't work like that. At all.
The First Amendment protects your right to speak from government intervention, it does not prevent a property owner from telling you to leave their property if they do not like what you are saying. You'd have no grounds to sue, if you happened to get kicked out of a store for making racist jokes or calling the store owner a kike.

I to have a similar store in my town. I'm friends with the owner and he is really chill. He has confided to me several times that the store is, in fact losing money but he keeps it running because he wants a man cave to hang out and play 40k, Infinity and Bolt Action and/or RPGs in.

I should add the guys owns another more successful business, has 2 jobs and is fucking LOADED. Sadly he doesn't have as much time to play games as he would like.

This is an unfortunate reality for many stores. It might be niche, but it's still print media. Even the juggernauts of print are having to make massive changes to keep a quarter of the profits they used to make.

This is the first time that anything had ever been said to me or anyone else in the group. To my knowledge nobody has ever complained about us. We aren't loud and if fragrance was the issue he should probably look at the Yugioh players.

He wears sunglasses indoors and wears shirts way too tight for him. he isn't fat just shirts are too tight. he also loves to throw his yellow Camaro into every conversation possible.

I have a report that he also went after one of the parents who sits at league while their kid plays for sitting there and not doing the store any good.

OP confirmed for full of shit.

>>The First Amendment protects your right to speak from government intervention,
It doesn't even do that, technically.
>**CONGRESS** shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
State and local governments, Supreme Court Justices, presidential executive orders, and Marines beating you with the butts of guns every time you object can do any of those things if they want, never mind private businesses.

>Unfortunately it's not terribly uncommon for certain people to quickly go from "I can do [thing]" to "I'm going to do [thing] just because I can".
Especially for the sort of people that use phrases like
>"There is only one alpha dog in this store and that is me"
and
>"You will show me the respect I deserve"
I have never known anyone that used that second line and was not a giant crock of shite.

>says nigger
>plays pokemon
OP you must look like one of those pictures people post to make fun of the "alt right"

that sucks man, our stores only stay afloat because they collude with each other and nobody really gives a fuck because its midwestern gaming stores
see if he can set up some sort of collusion ring

My childhood store was like this but to an extreme. The place was a dive with leaky ceilings and a hole in the floor in one of the back rooms. I can't imagine he made much money there but he raced slot/RC cars every night with his friends and let us kids play Magic anytime. It was so bad his wife left him and he lived at the store with his cat.

I can agree with this. Some people just want their own little world and for people in that world to never disobey or get in their way.

Hell I got banned from my old store because I beat the store owners kid at MtG.
Not because he was some fucking sprog, dude was fucking 19, nor because I was a cunt.
But because he comlained about em to his daddy, saying I'd cheated. Because I like a fucking lucksack, beat his fucking CAWblade deck with my shitty fucking infect thing.
Which, in his words from across the table.
"CAN'T EVER HAPPEN EVER!"

I love this hobby. But fuck me some of the people we need to continue it a fucking assholes.

Things that didn't happen.txt.

He wasn't the one that said nigger. That was an example that was brought up.

you should try to stick it out and out alpha the alpha dog.and make his shit yo shit

Why didn't you fuck him in the anus in the parking lot while screaming "WHO'S THE ALPHA DOG HERE NOW, BITCH!"

You motherfuckers took the bait.

Who am I kidding. You motherfuckers always take the bait.

Since everything is made up you can add that bit to the story if you want.

>Veeky Forums
>"We don't even need /pol/ now!"

>there's no such thing as shitty store management
Think again!
Some people really are just that shitty and assholish, you're projecting an awful lot onto OP for telling a story as common and simple as "man with no grace or sense acts like an asshole". Totally, very hard to beleive story.
>herf durk the truth lies in the middle
You're a fag

...You'd believe in perverted game store managers before incompetent game store managers?
Like, I get that you want to take the piss out of OP for coming here and expecting sympathy, but...seriously? You'd believe in perverted game store managers before incompetent game store managers?

Yes. Because I have HOPE, DAMMIT.

ONE DAY THE HAMBEAST SHALL BE MINE.

I SHALL HARPOON THAT WHITE WHALE. THAR SHE BLOWS.

I have met some horrible assholes in my life.

You need to get out more.

OP probably was one of these. Most likely if he's still playing pokemon

You think that niche stores are run by people with business sense? If they had business sense, they wouldn't be running a niche store in the first place.

Your libertarian fantasies ain't reality, bucko.

I really, really hope this is OP because then I could believe the first post actually happened.

Freeze peach

Yeah, but have you ever heard a story? Unless dude was having a spontaneous meltdown there's no way that he would even be able to run a store if he was as socially incompetent as he suggests.

Besides have you never heard a story from another human being in your entire life? They always leave stuff out to look good. OP gave us literally nothing for why the store owner went off except he "doesn't spend any money" - except he claims he just dropped $200.

Then he goes on about the owners taste in clothes and his car, trying to paint the dude in as negative a light as possible.

And if he's actively playing with other Pokemon players, then I think it's pretty unlikely it's just about the money.

Then you look at the conversation itself. "There's only one top dog blah blah blah".

Even the most insecure of Spergs don't say shot like that without provocation. Sometimes that provocation is being too fucking autistic to know when to walk away from an argument, and continuing to try and logically prove your position.

Maybe saying something like a fucking robot would, like maybe "Sir this is a private conversation."

Seriously. I am fully willing to believe the store owner to be a self righteous and pretentious douche, but from OP has written and his complete lack of understanding ANY POSSIBLE CAUSE, anything at all, I'm pretty convinced his just as if not more socially inept and contributed to the situation.

I'm also not sure why he posted. Is he aware that he doesn't understand personal interaction and is trying to find out what set the guy off? Does he want recommendations on how to resolve the issue, or alternate ways to meet up and play Pokemon? Advice on ordering online?

Or did you just come here to vent and was to wallow in how much we too must hate a man with tight clothes and a convertible?

ACtual libertarian here.

That guy's just a wingnut who has no idea what he's talking about. There's nothing libertarian about forcing a private space (such as a business) to put up with your views, speech, or behavior.

This sounds like the kind of stuff a guy who's whole business is falling down around him would say.

Which matches up to his actions.

Obviously, this is all assuming OP's not lying like he probably is (either making it up or omitting).

No you wouldn't you retarded nigger, why are you so stupid?

Fucking /pol/acks are the most idiotic people

It's either a stupid story or one of those people who bought online, rarely ever bought anything in the store and hangs there 24/7 selling singles.

>bucko
The meme lives?

How this went down:

youtu.be/7WRxEY8o3kc

Hate speech is protected and disturbance of the peace or harassment are far more then having a conversation, no matter how unpleasant.

You are, as a lot of people have pointed out, not entitled to be on private property. The police can remove you and give you a warning that if you enter again you will be trespassing and may be arrested.

>you would have grounds to sue it for your First Amendment rights.
Nice bait, made me kek.

Your first amendment rights give you the right to say whatever you like, but they do not sheild you from the consequences of your words.

Direct incitement of violence? that's criminal.
Call a store owner a cunt? expect to be refused service.
Say creepy shit in a parking lot within earshot of other customers? the store owner has the right to bar you from entry if it makes the majority of his customers more comfortable.

>Say creepy shit in a parking lot within earshot of other customers? the store owner has the right to bar you from entry if it makes the majority of his customers more comfortable.

Maybe total fucking strangers shouldn't eavesdrop on my conversations then complain they are offended by PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THEY ARE NOT INVITED TO JOIN

basic manners, I am expected to tolerate thugs on the bus hooting about their sexual sport, or vapid breeders crowing about the parasite that slid from their rancid gash because they have a right to subliterate "expression", but rights work both ways

Name of the shop? Otherwise cool story bro

I got banned for "cheating" in a LGS in a town I was visiting for work for two weeks because I was about to beat the Store Owner and his 100% win record in a game of 5th edition 40k

Fuck off, retard. People like you are why any argument about free speech with any sort of nuance gets spammed with garbage like

>stop spreading inconvenient truth, it means we can't take away sovereign citizens' freedoms without them knowing

As expected of Crooked Hillary's attack dogs

>The store owner came out and started going at me and the friend.
> That is when the no such thing as a private conversation quote came from.

I would have slapped him across the mouth for that. He doesn't respect boundaries.

If he's already been banned from the property, then as much of a douche move as it is, he has no right to stand in the parking lot and talk to his friend.

So? You don't follow someone out the door hounding them.
It's probably bait but given the way that store owner talks, he really does need to have the shit kicked out of him. That isn't how you speak to other men in the real world.

If the owner legitimately thinks he was wrong and in his mind has a good reason, then the guy not leaving the property is disrespectful as well as trespassing.

>thinks he was right
>had a good reason for banning OP
I need my coffee.

Are you just ignoring what I'm saying or something?

Yes you do. If i told someone to get the fuck off my lawn, i'll make sure they get the fuck off my lawn.

>That isn't how you speak to other men in the real world
This part? I've seen plenty of men talk to each other much worse. Especially to disrespectful trespassers.

If someone wants you off of his property you leave, have your conversation on the sidewalk if needs be.

>go to car
>be standing by car with the intention of leaving
>oh, there's a friend there
>explain situation, still with the intention of leaving, as it'd be rude to just leave him hanging
>faggot comes up and continues to talk shit

How have you people gone outside and not lost teeth?

On my fucking property is not fucking outside.

Oh hey, that's trespassing and assault. Most people in the real world can't get assault charges. Shit like that will lose you your job.

Some people are just cunts with no business sense. You don't have to be smart or good at running a business to START a business and even to have it stick around for a while.

I once went to an anime store that I saw next to a specialty shop I was going to. I went in to see if they had any copies of the berserk golden age arc movies and the shop turned out to be a giant empty room with like 3 tables sparsely covered in figures and other merch, but no anime. It screamed "Store destined to die".

Is the store the only business to use that parking lot.

>"There is no such thing as a private conversation in my parking lot"
K E K
E
K

Parking lots are generally considered public property or owned by the larger complex that this store is no doubt in. Unless this guy bought the entire area, including the parking lot, he has no legal grounds to harass people for talking in it. The owner of one shop in a strip mall does not own the entire strip mall.

OP here just woke up. Seems I need to clarify a few things.

The game store owner does not own the build so he doesn't own the parking lot.

Yes, I do paint the guy in bias light. He doesn't play games and he doesn't understand the games he sells in his store. He is in it for the money.

I had a text this morning that he also bitched out the entire league for selling cards and having outside water bottles. The no outside food and water is a very well known rule and I have on a few occasions seen league members try to bring a coke in and they are promptly asked to throw it away. past that, I have no clue about his argument of people always bringing water in since it is so aggressively enforced if it were a constant issue we would have already known about it prior.

To my best guess, I was banned because I told him I didn't want to listen to him bad mouth or group or game to our faces. Even if we aren't his most profitable group or night griping and cursing to a group that has a large number of minors is wrong. I understand it is his store and he can do what he wants but that doesn't mean he can treat adults like children who are in trouble.

This same store owner a few years ago punched a guy for spilling a coke on a counter that had an open door destroying several hundred dollars worth of MTG cards. When the police were called he justified it by saying the guy did it on purpose and he was doing what anyone would do, protecting his product. I am not sure what happened after,who knows.

I totally agree. But, after leaving the store and walking 20 yards across the shopping center does not constitute his property since he doesn't own the parking lot.

Sure if both people are getting aggressive have it out scream shout and curse all you want but that isn't this situation. The store owner seems to have a dire need to dominate any conversation he is in by cursing and yelling. It was not an adult conversation and was, for the most part, one-sided.

>government intervention,

Yes, which is what would happen if the police came to remove me. Therefore, he cannot.

If he can remove me based on saying nigger he can remove me based on my race. If it's my store my rules, then it is. One way or the other, you can't have both you stupid liberal fuck.

>Punch a guy for destroying hundreds of dollars worth of magic cards

Retarded. You make him pay for the cards and get a tidy profit with no effort.

>You'd seriously shoot somebody over being thrown out of a game store?

Yes, if I was being assaulted by someone trying to throw me out for tresspassing.

Why is it not okay to incite violence but it's okay to allow black people in a local game store? Why is it okay to discriminate against me for saying nigger but not okay for black men? Why are they special? Because of shit that happened before they were even born? They aren't the victims, I am.

> people can't have outside water bottles

ahahahaha what a fucking Nazi. He is definitely losing money, fast. I would get out of there before he starts begging you for cash. Happened to me with a friend who had a kid when he was 20. I blocked them and called the cops when they came to my house asking for a "loan" of 500 bucks. They ended up on the street with their kid in CPS. I'd visit their little cardboard shack since I'm 90% sure I know where it is but they'd probably shank me to death so fuck that.

The "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" Signs are actually completely illegal. This has been proven time and again by people not wanting to serve gays or black people or shit like that. If the customer comes in, pays you for something and isn't breaking the law or the rules of the establishment, the owner has no legal reason to throw them out. You can't throw someone out for "not buying enough."

>If he can remove me based on saying nigger he can remove me based on my race. If it's my store my rules, then it is. One way or the other, you can't have both you stupid liberal fuck.
>Kicking out an asshole for being an asshole is the same as being a racist!
>Being this fucking socially maladjusted.

American, right?

>Yes, if I was being assaulted by someone trying to throw me out for tresspassing.

Dipshits like you should not own guns.

Fuck, dipshits like you should not be allowed to socialise. We should just take you out to a paddock somewhere and let you frollick with your own kind, wild and free.

He sells water, but for 2$ a bottle.

>"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" Signs are actually completely illegal

That's absolutely true. You can't just refuse service to people for discriminatory reasons.

However, if the customer is being an asshole or making a scene, you certainly can - and probably should - as your first responsibility should be to the safety and well being of your other patrons.

That being said, the store owner in OPs post just sounds like an asshole making mountains out of mole hills, but he is still technically in the right. His behaviour and cursing could land him in hot water, though.

>Buy bottle of water.
>Proceed to refill it from the sink in the bathroom.
>Keep the receipt. When owner bitches, point out that you purchased this water in his establishment.

>"There is only one alpha dog in this store and that is me"

AWOOOOOOOOOO

OP got fucking Shrekt yo

But the customer wasn't being an asshole or making a scene. The store owner was the one being an asshole and making a scene because the OP didn't buy magic cards and/or someone had a water bottle.

Go donate to the US education program. They need it and you know why.

This story actually reminds me. I need to find a new place to meet up for D&D.

>Go to FLGS for ages, constantly tell others about it
>Tell them its the best and most comfy store in the city
>Play D&D there almost every week, entire table tends to buy tons of snacks
>Two months ago, bought a board game
>Less than two weeks ago, bought another board game
>Go up to counter to ask about if the store has another board game
>They don't, and they offer to order one in, but it's going to come out to like $80
>Don't really have that much money, say "I might have to shop around for that."
>Girl: "You always shop around, that's no different than normal" in a snotty as fuck tone
>Uh, excuse me?
>Mention all of the above business I gave her store
>She just kinda half-heartedly listens and doesn't say anything

Bitch, even if that WAS true, I'm not about to take your off-handed shit like that.

Yeah, the owner was absolutely being an asshole and making a scene - but from the way OP describes it his group has been repeatedly breaking a store rule about no outside food/drink.

It's a stupid rule, and it's fucking retarded to ban paying customers over it, but that's the owners prerogative. If he wants to do that stupid shit, he can.

>I didn't want to listen to him bad mouth or group or game to our faces

What was he saying

No smoke without fire user

>I'm a polite, well adjusted human being
>I have never once been kicked out of a flgs
>in fact, I had to help escort some 400lbs neckbeard out because I'm fuckhuge and nice, after he went on a giant tirade about how his loli sleeves were totally fine
>there were literal anime children in string bikinis on the back of his cards and one of the regulars complained, before he went complete sperg