Finally got over Fantasy Battle's death. Was playing Skaven and Chaos Dwarfs.
I'm thinking about moving to 40k. Any armies TLDR on mechanics, or just army type test?
I like the look of Tyranids, but I've heard that they pretty much always sucked and I'm not sure if I want to paint loads of models again.
Is there any army that fields few models? GK maybe?
I don't like Space Marines, only BA and GK seems alright from them.
Maybe try one of the Admech armies?
Tyranids in 3rd and 4th were great. They started slowly going downhill and now only really work as a mid range shooty army, most units are very average with only 1 or 2 actually being good, I still collect them cause ive loved them for over a decade but still!
Marines, Chaos, Certain Necron lists, Certain Eldar lists and certain tau lists can feature few models
I've heard that Tyranids' only good unit is Flyrant, rest is shit.
My point is - their fluff is pretty cool, ultimate predator, but, not gonna lie, I don't like losing 90% of my games, because GW doesn't like my army or something.
Admech armies? You mean Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii?
>Admech armies? You mean Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii?
Yes, maybe CUlt Mechanicus fits your style if you want to field small amount of models
Ok, will look on them.
I just like the concept of less quantity, much quality models. Also, I'm a lazy painter, I like playing much more.
If you are willing to play 30k, take a look at Mechanicum.
Fantasy Battle and 40k are very different in certain ways. You only have to worry about facing on the vehicles, so there isn't a whole lot of wheeling movement to deal with, and units can form blobs instead of trays. No army really feels 100% or 80% like Skaven.
That said, there's a lot of shared flavor between Skaven and Admech. They both use Genetics and bio-engineering combined with cybernetics and animatronic tech. Between Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus, you can get a you can get a similar vibe to Clans Skryre, Moulder, and Eshin. The models even share the the steampunky vibe, as well. AdMech also has Jezzails and Arquebuses. It'd be fairly easy to actually convert your skaven into admech, or simply use some skaven minis as "Counts-as" Admech giving you a fairly unique army and saving you a bit of cash.
The mass fielding of Skaven is handled by a whole different faction, Imperial Guard/Astra Militarum (Or their Chaosy variant, the one-off "Renegades and heretics" faction).
The ravenous "They devour everything" plaguey feel is covered by Tyranids and/or Genestealer Cults.
I don't know the finer mechanics of the armies very well, but the fun, random elements of the Skaven army, as well as the patchwork jerry-rigged aspect of some of their tech, are actually most handled by the Orks. 40k Ork flavor is fairly different from Fantasy Ork flavor.
I don't know enough about the niche Chaos Dwarves filled to help you with them.
Wow, such a well-thought post! Thank you!
Hmm... If the 40k is much different from Fantasy, then I'll maybe list things I'm looking for guys.
-Kinda fed up with swarmy armies due to Skavens, would like an 'elitish' low quantity army now
-Specialised in something, I don't like 'we do it all' Scissor-knife armies. I want an army that is best in something, best in magic phase or shooting, or combat etc etc
-Xenos preferred, look more individualistic, I don't like Space Marines clones
-hipsterlike army would be also a pro for me, felt good playing Chaos Dwarfs just because of it's uniqueness
will add on if discussion continues
I guess you could look into Eldar Harlequins, the are very good with psykers and are very fast. But they are a glass cannon as an army though
Can they be as solo army? If it's possible I'd want to stick to one army, Battle Brothers thing is just not my vibe.
Flyrant is great, biovores are good, harpies are pretty good... everything else is average - shit unfortunately
You could try a tank heavy Imperial Guard army?
Eldar = best psychic
Tau = Best shooting
Space Marines = all rounders but pretty tough
Necrons = Durability
Dark Eldar = Speed/ firepower
-Very few of the armies are swarmy. Really it's just the Nids and the IG variants, but Kroot are pretty cheap, too.
-AdMech are a middle-tier army. They don't suck like CSM, Orks, or Dark Eldar, but they aren't particularly strong on their own. They aren't really the best at any particular thing, and most people really only run one list (The War Congregation). They have an advantage in that ANY Imperial faction counts as Battle Brothers, so if you wanted to make it feel a little different, more than half of the hobby's armies can ally right in. There are like 10 varieties of space marine, and you could have a few units of any particular one, or some sisters, or some IG. Any Imp faction can be Battle Brothers with any other Imp Faction.
Tau are good at shooting and overwatch. They are reasonable at defending against assaults, but are generally bad at assault. They're in the upper tiers right now, with Space MArines and below Eldar. They have some cheap-units that no one would really like to see, but they they also have "Hipster units" like any of their tanks or fliers or kroot. Most people tend to play gunline or Riptide Spam, but there are other ways to play them.
Hipsterlike- You could always pull out an old Squat codex, which is technically legal. Or you could be Sisters of Battle.
Sisters of Battle, Imperial Guard Armored Battlegroup, and Eldar Corsairs are all good mid-level armies that field relatively few models. Tanks can be a bit problematic in low-point games, but by 1500 points, everyone should be bringing enough anti tank weaponry to even out the odds.
40k is getting shafted and getting shitter by the day
Move to 30k, trust me.
30k has no xenos.
but I don't even know if somebody plays 30k in my location, and more - what is it. It's that Forge World game in pre-heresy?
Ok, that will much help, was looking for something like that
Yeah, why not, but to be honest I'd like xeno army more. Will look on it, thanks
Yep, that's what I've heard :(
SoB seem pretty rad, Mankind but hipsterish. It's shitty army tho, right? And flamethrowers is main weapon?
If you want to play "hipster-ish" you could always look into Elysian drop troops
30k has no tyranids or new imperial shit, other than that yes it does.
I mean, it's not main "want". I'd like to have cool, unique army, but other things are more wanted
30k is basically cooler and better space marines if you play those.
Other than that it's 40k minus tyranids or any other imperial army from 40k
Minus Nids, Tau, And Crons. I suppose it still has Eldar.
Sisters are a solid army, but only really have one or two viable lists. YEs, they use a lot of flamers.
But they can also BB in any Imp faction.
OP here if anyone in this thread.
Currently reading through Admech codexes. Their minis are not that great to be honest, but fluff seems interesting.
Damn, doublepost.
Admech is rare army or often seen? Can I field them alone of I need to BB someone (I hope not)
I would think Necrons are awake during 30k. I remember reading about some Necron special character that watched the heresy play out. Nids and Tau would definitely be out however.
Like I said, play Mechanicum. Much more interesting rules that don't rely on one gimmick formation to be good. Much better models also.
Just use this as an excuse to try out non GW games.
Infinity, Frost grave, Warmahordes, whatever.
But 40k is the worst it's been in years.
>Just use this as an excuse to try out non GW games.
This. These days there are loads of other viable alternatives with minis just as good.
Such as? I've heard Warmachine is good and cheap.
If you're willing to have a look at Tau, I'd recommend a Farsight Enclave army for you. This is a sub-faction that focusses on using tough, mobile and shooty (but relatively small) battlesuits called XV8s as their mainline troops.
Each XV8s can be kitted out with anything from plasma (for armoured troops), melta (for heavy vehicles), missiles (for light vehicles), burst cannons (for hordes) and more. This makes them one of the most versatile basic troops in the game and since they're more expensive than most others, you'll have fewer models to paint.
>Such as?
What are you looking for?
Just play Necrons. Their rules are really good right now and their models are so simple to paint they don't adhere to the 3 color minimum tournaments require.
Have you tried not playing GW games?
Don't lie, user. FW has explicitly stated multiple times that they will not make any Xenos army for the Horus Heresy.
Not sure if this is up your alley, but you can convert your Skaven into a Heretics & Renegades army. Heretics & Renegades are one of the Forgeworld armies (Which doesn't actually require Forgeworld models) that are super your dudes. They range from traitor guard regiments to abhuman hordes, the latter of which would be a perfect way to fluff your Skaven. They have lots of horde-tarpit units as well, so if you want a swarm they are great. If you want an army where you only have a few models as you specified then not so much.
They could make the legiones astartes stuff backwards compatible with a great crusade game, which would make sense for the inclusion of eldar, dark eldar, and orks, and small amounts of necrons. Fuck tau and tyranids.
Remember user, if it was Great Crusade, it would just be Eldar. Well, more like a mix of Eldar and DEldar into one faction.
Orkz would be wildly different, being smarter than they are now, and not having any of the clans. Iirc, one Ork empire actually had better plasma than Ryza.
I always play SoB with Melta as the primary weapon. S8 and you can take two per squad, so it functions pretty well as a stand-in for the lack of Plasma. Basically you trade the ability to shoot at 12-24" range for not killing yourself and wrecking the shit out of vehicles.
Overall they're not hugely strong, but they're actually pretty good at fucking up Space Marines (who account for something like 70-80% of the playerbase). My SoB all comers list wins more often than not against Space Marines, although there's just no way to deal with all-out cheese (max Grav skyhammer/BC).