Everyone always talks about horrors of the warp but is pic related so scary...

Everyone always talks about horrors of the warp but is pic related so scary? It's fucking not and it doesn't even have a gun. Why are Imperials such pussies? Some generic devil is an ''unimaginable horror''? Chaos is overrated I would be more scared of the Enslavers.

They have to portray the Daemons as solid for the art. In reality the Daemon would be an almost impossible form that your mind has to translate into an image, it moves with unearthly gaits and pseudo-incorporeal shifts, its voice carries whispers that literally make your mind hurt and its aura is enough to drive people into madness.

You, me, nobody on this board would last ten fucking seconds against an incarnate Lesser Daemon before going mad.

Say that to it's face and not on the internet and see what happens.

Op...

...you just described how Lovecraftian beings work like which has no basis in the 40K lore

>Has no basis in the 40k lore

You don't read a lot of 40k lore, do you?

Because it's bearing down on you with a sword the size of your entire body and your dinky lasgun is barely grazing it.

Well, you are required to make Fear checks and suffer Warp Shock and shit when you see them in the RPGs, so it's not a bad description.

They may be more corporeal than what the quoted described, but they definitely make your brain hurt by looking at them.

Shitty bait thread after another.

A bloodletter can take Bolter shells and keep moving. Its hellforged sword will cut through any armor. Why does it look like it does? It doesn't. It's the mortal mind that gives a something that should not exist a perceivable form. Even then, the mortal mind struggles and bleeds at the comprehend and fully understand unnatural presence of the daemon. This leads to madness and worse. And the worst thing about them? They are endless in numbers.

Also Enslavers are stated to be less dangerous than daemons. Enslavers don't eat people souls and torment them forever.

to comprehend and fully understand the unnatural presence of the daemon*

The daemons of the Warp are lovecraftian monsters that are marginally more comprehensible than most, but not by much.

These are also convincing cases for why daemons are scary.

Yeah and every single guy who saw a fucking Bloodletter sees him in the exact same shape huh? Kill yourself.

That is not what anyone said. You dense fuck.

That said, it's a bloodletter. A certain kind of daemon. A very particular kind of daemon, with a very particular kind of patron god that does very particular things.

Similarities will exist across the board for Bloodletters, and some similarities in everyones' perceptions of them will exist. And every single one of them is fucking terrifying.

The end. You lose.

>Yeah and every single guy who saw a fucking Bloodletter sees him in the exact same shape huh?

Firstly, I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make and secondly, virtually every time Daemons are written they're described in general traits and barely in detail, perfectly coexisting with the concept that your mind can pick out certain psychic traits brought into corporeal form but it's still not a being of organ and tissue, nor matter or true energy either.

>marginally more comprehensible than most,

You know the old comic page where it shows the multiple forms for Galactus that are suppose to represent how the various races perceive him?

It's basically the same thing. Human brains cannot understand or comprehend the existence of the daemon. After all, it's a ball of psychic energy made from uncreation and pure malice. So to compensate the human brain drapes the daemon in a somewhat perceivable form in order not to go mad. Despite this, the unnatural existence of the daemon will gnaw at the mind of the human.

Lovecraftian beings don't work like that. They don't fuck with your mind, they don't have a magical aura of insanity, they're just big scary monsters whose existence has implications too horrible for the normal human mind to bear.


40k warp daemons, however, do have an aura of madness and horror surrounding them.

The Warp itself is a lovecraftian nightmare, but most of the major daemonic forms that come out of it tend to be fairly consistent in appearance, due to the overwhelming influence of the four gods of Chaos.

I mean, there's also the fact that the Warp is technically just a gestalt realm formed from the collective subconscious of all sapient creatures in the 40K universe. Most of the daemons look pretty similar, because they are by and large the products of human thought.

>but not by much

Yeah, I figured, m8. Just in case you missed that last bit.

Not only they have to be portrayed for the art, but also codified into army lists for a game. So, instead of infinite and mind shattering manifestations of Chaos, you get Bloodthirsters and Bloodletters and whatever, like they were being produced on an assembly line. That doesn't particularly evoke any sort of horror.

I think the early 1st edition Dark Heresy books did a pretty good job trying to push past the traditional depictions of Chaos critters, and invoke something darker and more interesting and varied. The later books have been more dull Codex copypasta, but there's good stuff in the lore if you dig into it.

Just like with Cthulhu mythos. It's a matter of how you approach it. You can get sanity destroying existential horror, or hilariously not-at-all scary monster mashes about pumpkin headed tentacle faces with bat wings. Same with 40k.

It's not the same thing, because If a lovecraftian creature isn't mind-shatteringly scary, it's because the protagonist is used to that sort of thing (like Randolph Carter to a degree), or because he's badly-written (as is often the case in RPG sessions).

Daemons are magically, automatically scary. If they don't scare YOU as a reader it's because of the reasons you invoked. If they don't scare a 40k character it'll be because his brain doesn't work normally (like, he's an ork or a lobotomized Marine or a holy vessel of the Emperor or someshit)

You mean like this?

>was still weak, its substance not yet fully formed, but incredibly powerful. Whether it was simply his nearness to the creature that empowered him with such knowledge or some deeper link he did not know. Perhaps it recognised in him a kindred spirit. Certainly it displayed none of the lethal hostility to him that it had to the eldar in its first moments of awakening.

>The alien woman of Kesharq’s stood behind him. He could feel the fear radiating from her in waves and it felt wonderful to drink in that emotion. She collapsed to her knees, her skin blistering and cracking as every shred of her life force was leeched from her body. She was able to scream once before the last vestiges of her existence was swallowed by the Nightbringer. Was this the beginning of his transformation into an immortal, wondered de Valtos? Was this the first of the new powers he was soon to manifest?

>The violence around him felt truly intoxicating. He could feel the combined hatred and aggression of the enemies flaring bright and succulent, filling him, making him stronger. So pleasing to have such things to feast upon rather than the cold, tasteless energies that had sustained its form these millions of years.

>Kasimir de Valtos blinked in puzzlement. Millions of years? Where had that thought come from? Suddenly he realised that the sensations flooding through him, the fear, the anger, the terror were not his own, but borrowed from the alien creature before him. Anger filled him as he realised he had been nothing more than a conduit for emotions that this being had forgotten over the passage of aeons it had spent locked away from the sight of man.

>As though sensing his thoughts the Nightbringer slowly turned to face him, the yellow pits of its eyes burning his soul, boring into the core of what made him human.

>But Kasimir de Valtos had set himself to becoming an immortal god and utter single-mindedness filled his thoughts as a creature from the dawn of time swept its darkness around him.

>‘Make me like you! I freed you. I demand immortality – it is my right!’ shrieked de Valtos as the Nightbringer lowered its gaze to his.

>He felt himself sucked into the creature’s eyes, the emptiness of its stare more terrifying than anything he could comprehend. He saw the dawn of the alien’s race, the things they had done, the misery and suffering they had inflicted upon the galaxy and the blink of an eye that was the race of man.

>He dropped to his knees as the sheer insignificance of his existence trembled before the unutterable vastness of the alien’s consciousness. The fragile threads that were the twisted remains of Kasimir de Valtos’s sanity shattered under such awful self-knowledge. This being had tamed stars and wiped entire civilisations from existence before the human race had even crawled from the soup of creation. What need had it of him?

>‘Please...’ he begged, ‘I want to live forever!’

>The Nightbringer closed its clawed hand over deValtos’s head, the blackened fist completely enclosing his skull. Kasimir shrieked in terror at its touch, his flesh sloughing from his bones as it fed on his life energies.

>The dark scythe slashed towards his neck.

>He had a brief moment of perfect horror as he felt his own death flow through him, feeling his own terror and pain as the flimsiest morsel, barely worth feeding on, yet inflicted for the sake of the death it caused.

This whole thread.

This meant for this

Everyone knows that the C'tan fluff is all manners of fucked-up and inconsistent. What's the point you're even trying to make and which part of my post does "you mean like this" refer to?

The physical appearance of daemons is secondary to what actually makes them scary.

They are, essentially, emotions made manifest. A bloodletter is rage personified and just being near to one is harrowing as you feel your own anger flare up by proxy.

Being assaulted by the denizens of the warp forces you to fight back not only the daemon itself, but your own mind buckling under the mental duress of pure, overwhelming emotion.

Just replying to the posts that implied that 40K doesn't have Lovercraftian themes. And waaaytago with the preemptive triggering over the C'tan.

By the way, I got another example.

>>The pyramid split down the centre, the pict-feed dissolving into static as a golden brilliance roared through the cracks like the birth of galaxies. A shockwave thumped through the moon’s crust, tossing aside mighty Space Marines like spent cartridges from a magazine. A kilometre away, even the Chimera jumped like water in a hot pan. With a curse, Drax held it steady.

>The pict-feed was clearing up, capturing a ring of devastation around the opening pyramid. There was a being inside it, bound in chains of stellar matter as though caged within the heart of a star.

>Except it wasn’t.

>Drax watched as the earth fell away, a vast canyon that tracked, to the precise degree, the pyramid’s rotation and the eyeline of that shackled entity. Where its gaze fell, Rhinos and Predators were flipped into the air and torn open, infantry consumed by withering waves of fire. Drax couldn’t believe what he saw, but he couldn’t look away. As he watched, a string of meteors materialised out of the sky, hanging like beads on a necklace before they spontaneously ignited, hyperaccelerated, and hammered through the Space Marine advance in huge explosions of ice and fire.

>No, Drax thought, as the pyramid continued to turn, that arc of devastation coming inexorably towards him, like an asteroid destined to cross the orbit of a sun. This being had brought the star into the cage with it.

>‘Try it!’ Drax roared at the screen. It heard him, he knew. He could feel it, just as he had felt its first stirrings from within his cell. ‘Come on. Come get some.’

My post didn't imply that 40k doesn't have lovecraftian themes and why the fuck would you bring up the C'tans in a discussion about daemons?

>It turned full face.

>And then Drax really did feel it, the full epochal malevolence of the c’tan.

>The ignition spluttered. The lights flickered and failed and Drax found that he couldn’t move, not even to put his fingers to the ignition keys. He was a child, left in his crib of cold leather and plasteel by a cruel star-god. It saw him, but his eyes couldn’t begin to fathom it and he saw only darkness. Drax might have wept then, but it didn’t matter. The transcendent shard of the c’tan took the time to study him. Not because Drax was special. He was not. It took the time because it could, because time ran to its command. The instant stretched, to an infinity if the c’tan had so willed, but time enough for Drax to comprehend.

>The universe didn’t love him. The Emperor would never know his name. Only this entity, this god of ancient stars, would remember. And in the second that followed, the Chimera flipped onto its back, its belly splitting open. Air, heat and Drax himself were ripped through the hull and out onto the surface of the moon. He floated, falling so slowly. The world was black and silent. It was cold. And the c’tan looked away.

So what take from this thread is that C'tan are lovercraftian while the daemons are not? I am okay with it.

>Be Guardsman
>Fighting on a rocky planet
>See Bloodletters in the distance
>Bloodletters running towards them
>Guardsmen fire their lasrifles
>Bloodletters still runing towards them
>Notices how fast they are moving
>Continue firing
>Bloodletters still running towards them
>Continue firing
>Begins to realize their full height
>Bloodletters are close enough to hear their roars
>Watch a line of guys ahead of you getting mowed down
>Bloodletters still running towards them
>Everyone firing
>Bloodletters still running towards them
>Guardsmen yelling in panic
>Bloodletters still running towards them
>Bloodletters close enough to make out details
>See an aura of the Warp
>Seeing glowing eyes
>See souls enveloping their sword
>Hand slips while reloading
>Bloodletters still running towards them
>Bloodletters run into melee
>SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

another example of something that's irrelevant to the current discussion, I see.

You might as well delete your posts and start your own thread about why the C'tans are lovecraft-inspired if that's what you wanna talk about.
Cause it's off-topic as hell.

lame

Both are energy creatures. One fits the Lovercraftian them by making other mad by making them realize horrible truths and the other just make them mad via magic.

That's what's been discussed in the thread. You entered a definition of Lovercaft and I pointed out that such things exist in the setting which disproves what said.

Keep up.

Maybe this is more up your alley, OP.

>another example of something that's irrelevant to the current discussion, I see.

Not when Lovercraft is being discussed.

Yes, start ANOTHER 40k thread to talk about horror themes in your glam metal scifi game. Jesus h Christ user.

I'm pretty sure you're misinterpreting what he said. After all, this is a discussion about daemons, and he's correct in saying that "daemons work like lovecraftian beings" has no basis in the 40k lore.

It's not. There is zero proof that any of that happened. Also it's a shitty FFG plothook that the GM can make be anything from Tyranids to time traveling Tau drones.

How about you give him real examples?!

>there was a thing
>it was really horrible, but we won't say why
>please be scared

Lovecraft isn't being discussed, DAEMONS are being discussed.
What's so fucking shocking about that?
Different topic, different thread, that's how things always worked.
It's not like you're tapping into an exhaustible pool of threads Veeky Forums can have. It's not like you can't "afford" making another thread about Veeky Forums-related things.

>Φόβος … [‘foυ.bαs]… Phobos… First moon of Mars… Of course, it was. He had seen it, four hundred years ago, through the porthole of the shuttle above the surface of the holy Red Planet… A tiny, tumbling thing, not even big enough to be spherical, pitted with craters like the scars of a pox.

>Φόβος … [‘foυ.bαs]… Phobos… ‘There was Phobos, unspeakable, staring backwards with eyes that glowed with fire… His mouth was full of teeth in a white row, fearful and daunting, and upon his grim brow hovered frightful Strife who arrays the throng of men…’

>Phobos. Fear. Humans of ages past had christened the moon of Mars after their primitive god of fear before they had ever, really, understood what fear was. In the star-heart of his agony Ghuul’s ego disintegrated before the force of unquenchable terror.

>No simple human fear was this that had lain in wait in those ancient stacks, but an ancient, alien Beast of Fear. And now Fear walked on Celare Artem; not the Beast itself, but the echo of its true touch, resounding through space and time to reverberate in the minds of Ghuul’s people: the descendants of the first settlers who had chained it in the darkness and plundered its secrets.

>Let loose by the call of their mundane fear of the Planet Killer, the Beast had reached out to make Ghuul its unwitting avatar. How gleefully he had spread its infection across his world through the defence shield, sustaining itself through the Annihilator. He was the Judas goat that led his people to the slaughter…

>From so far away, the Beast reached to him across the stars. From beyond the Gates of Varl…

-Phobos Worked Adamant

More C'tan Lovercraftianess.

Then a fucking Ork Nob is scary following that logic.

More off-topic ramblings based on your misinterpretation of a post from someone who probably left the thread 30 minutes ago.

>Lovecraft isn't being discussed, DAEMONS are being discussed.

It got derailed into a discussion about Lovecrafian themes. If you don't like it leave. Sheesh what a control freak.

Sums up every story made by that fucking hack Lovecraft to be honest.

Are you implying that ork nobs aren't scary?

You don't speak for that other user and you don't own this thread. Get out!

If you don't like the thread as it was, leave and make your own.
What a douchebag.

Neither do you, faggot.
Honestly kill yourself.
Honestly.

I said. Get out!

Call him a racist to make your bait perfect.

>One cannot look directly at daemons. They are creatures born from the emotions and nightmares of mortals, and pulled forth from the immense sentience of opposing Gods. Perhaps more accurately, mortal senses– even those attuned to the daemonic and the profane– struggle to focus on the Neverborn’s incarnated forms. Our minds apply expectation and structure to something that defies understanding, let alone description. No matter how hard we stare, we are still mortal minds seeking to bear witness to something that should not exist.

>At best, this leaves a murky aura around the Neverborn, rendering them as nebulous as a mirage. At worst, and far more commonly, all that can be gleaned from their physical incarnations are a handful of impressions and sensations: a scent, a memory, a sight of something indefinite.

>Red flesh. Pale skin. Fangs. A dry, cinnamon corpse-stink, with a feeling of bladed threat. Eyes that burn in the dark. A sword of black iron that whispers in dead tongues. The shadow of wings, and the reek of feral breath. Claws steaming with the acid kiss of some toxic poison.

-Iskandor Khayon on Daemons

This thread wins the 2016 award for worst thread of the year

I blame Matt Ward.

heh, you speak only for yourself weakling.

But it's true literally everything cool about his work is fan art the ''scary''deities are described as ''shapeless'' or something lame like a fucking orb, some say it's meant to make us fear the unknown, I say it's lazy fucking writing and the characters overreact all the time
>oh no humans are not the most important things in the universe I'm so le going insane :(

like how is that a newsflash to them? It's common fucking knowledge.

You do on Veeky Forums instead of actively improving your own mind against intrusion, practising self-discipline and meditation.

You're fucked, mate.

3edgy5me

Does that mean Bloodthirsters may actually look like teddy bears?

>like how is that a newsflash to them? It's common fucking knowledge.

Not really. Humans believe that they are the centers of the universe. Look at religion. They think the universe was created just for them by a loving god.

Shatter this delusion and you will get one profound existential crisis.

The power of suggestion is far more potent than actual descriptions if done correctly, but Lovecraft blows nigger dicks at using it.

Thirsters are rage incarnate. If you associate rage and hate with teddy bears, then it will look like a mean teddy bear to you.

>like how is that a newsflash to them? It's common fucking knowledge.
It's one of a novelists jobs to remind us of something that we should be more aware of.

No, actually...Books like Fire Warrior, Fire Caste, the Calprunia trilogy, and Eisenhorn all explain how it feels to fight daemons. Like, these things are fucking scary. You have whole units of men flayed alive by the wind of their passage. You have people dying before they were born, and vile spirits of corruption writhing out from the shadows to drag people into the everdark.

On the battlefield, they're all in violent, stab-you-in-the-face-forms. And they're coming for you to bring you an awful bloody death.

Look how many atheists there are and none of them have an existential crisis. Lovecraft was just a faggot.

>hey gueiz this would totally not be terrifying if I found this in the ships locker room.

Yeah, but the thing about atheists is that there's no proof either way. We can't established whether there is, or is not a God.

The Mythos is real, and it's horrific. Like, you can't be an atheist if the Devil is standing right in front of you, cackling as he flays living souls. That would shatter your worldview, because holy shit, it's Satan. There really is a hell. And you'll be there soon.

Could you imagine how terrifying it would be to have a bloodthirster charge you and your squad?

That's not a daemon that's chaos spawn.

I saw car accidents, this is nothing new.

>the most generic looking demon in the setting, could put it in Heroes 3 and no one would notice any difference
>scary

just fucking shoot him

>All your weapons pass harmlessly as your mind deceives itself into hearing the sound of projectiles upon metal, even as the very essence of your ammunition is rended apart by the Daemon's power and the ground below you grows sick with corruption

Just use a fucking Baneblade.

>Similar result, incarnate Greater Daemon
>Your targeting systems are flailing wildly without something solid to target and your crewmen are becoming irrationally angry, making mistakes

>This writing
>a Bloodthirster

Nigga what autistic shit is this? A Bloodthirster is not some hazy shit that avoids attacks by phasing or some shit.

A Bloodthirster would be a relentless juggernaught, shrugging off weapons like small rain and effortlessly slaughtering things in it's path.

It would be the literal Primordial Hunter, the Bear in the night that terrified the ancestors of man

Regardless of what a Bloodthirster appears to be, it is still a Greater Daemon that transcends physical law and is not a being of matter nor true energy. Reality around it is literally buckling, the electromagnetic, gravitational and motion-sensing functions of your targeting cogitators are confused with the rapidly shifting data, your projectiles are hitting something that does not entirely exist.

On top of all this, if you finally manage to, through your rage, malfunctioning physics and incorporeality of an Immaterial being, hit it, it's an unstoppable juggernaut.

>atheists

In their hearts, they believe in god.

You are really fucking up what Daemons are supposed to represent.

You sound like a FFG faggot.

Daemons are reflections of what YOU see as their representations.

Daemons of Rage and Bloodlust are seen as Seething blood coloured creatures with balefire for eyes and gnashing teeth, held together by taut muscle and wirecord sinew because these are what we think when we think of Anger.

They're not Abstract Aliens, they're beings of Myth and folklore. The Bogarts and jabberwocks of the 41st Millennium.

I didn't imply anything otherwise. This doesn't change the fact that they're uncertain, shifting things when it comes to how they interact with physics, their aura, too betrays these usually solid laws and twists them.

Against a Greater Daemon, reality itself is fucked, and your mind is encompassed in a terrible storm of raw emotion with malicious intent for you.

>Everyone always talks about horrors of the warp but is pic related so scary?
I am far from well versed in WH40K, everything I know about it I gleaned from here, and I always envisioned horrors of the warp as being like Event Horizon with added xenos.

Do you not?

>Guys stumbling upon a bear without a weapon isn't scary
>Just punch him lmao

Either you don't know any social history, or you have zero ability to think like someone other than yourself. Lovecraft was writing in a time when some academics actually believed that we were getting close to learning everything major that could be learned in (at least some of) the sciences. There were people alive at the time of his writings who were born before the Industrial Revolution. I know your Millennial brain has a really hard time understanding this since you grew up hearing about RC vehicles on Mars, but the span of about 1840-1970 was the time of the most rapid and profound scientific and cultural advancement in human history. The crux of Lovecraft's work was the question "What if one of these days, we finally learn enough to realize just how little we actually know? What if we, who think we are the most advanced species ever to have existed, who think the universe itself was created specifically for them, discovered that we were actually meaningless and knew nothing about how the universe worked?" That idea would is scary enough today, but it would have actually been enough to drive the mentally weak of Lovecraft's time to temporary insanity, or more likely drug abuse, which several of his characters have succumbed to at the start of their stories.

9/10, made me mad enough to give a lengthy reply. It'll be a 10/10 if you reply to this with the usual "haha nice damage control" post.

OP confirmed for lacking any imagination. Yawn.

Daemons are not energy creatures. They're spawned from emotion, not energy. Daemons are only an energy creature if you're a retard who believes Wicca is actually an ancient tradition.

>I-it was good back then!

lmao pic related was considered good too that doesn't fucking mean it's not an abominable piece of shit that proves everyone born before 90s was a half ape

RTAs are within your frame of reference. This isn't. Go to bed child.

OBJECTION.

Necron pokeball are created specifically to capture energy beings. Guess what? They capture daemons. The pokeball harnesses the daemons own warp energy to bind it inside the pokeball. The more it struggles, the harder the bindings become.

Also ever heard of something called Warp energy? It's what animates daemons. It's psychic energy.

>Go to bed child
>lmao
The baits are pretty good.

>Common knowledge

Back then, it wasn't. That was the age where everyone ACTUALLY believed in HFY. Where every single person thought that humanity (as long as you were white of course) was the end all be all of the universe. To them, finding out that humanity is literally nothing, like we mostly understand today, would be incredibly horrifying.

Slaanesh demons fighting aside of Khorne demons.
What heresy is this?

...

I was going to argue with you, but shouting Objection before your post made me forget I even wanted to.

Thanks. Dick.

You mean you were going to argue than you realized that you were wrong.

>why is an otherworldly beast that is 3 times my size and dead set on killing me in a brutal manner scary?
I think you might be mentally challenged

So by that logic a Space Marine should be hailed as terror of the galaxy.

Then they were a bunch of tarded cowards lol.

Yeah, when the Xeno isn't something that feels no emotion of fear, I'd imagine being hunted by Space Marines is pretty fucking scary.

They are a terror.

Marine cause some a condidtion called "tanshuman terror" in normal humans. It's discussed in the HH books.

Then humans are a bunch of dumb fucks too and they deserve to get Tyranid'd.