I want to talk about this a moment...

And don't forget about this motherfucker.
>that feeling of absolute, pants-shitting terror when some confederate general charges your lines on horseback by himself, takes a shot to the spine and straight up kidnaps one of your soldiers and starts carrying him back to rebel territory

>only for some half level child soldier npc to kill him with a lucky head shot doesn't sound like fun

>the game's not as fun if you can be one-shot by basically anything

> it all falls down to the person in question and the situation

Oh hell yeah. Armor should save your life. And I'm not above giving people some plot-armor to save them from one-shot insta-kills because that's not fun. I get that. But if you're shot, even with armor, you can get a grievous wound that you're going to bleed out from.

It sucks to get shot.

...ok, I'm just whining that a player tried to call bullshit when his tanky character got shot.

You mean Durge right

OP, all you've managed to do is make an argument FOR weaboo games, because that realism sounds boring as shit

I wish that guy luck, he'll need it when he's running around with an unloaded LMG.

But user, vidya games are real

Did the troll street sam eat a crit to the face?

>Realism is boring as shit

Fuck you fa/tg/uys then go back to your little escapist games with your fucking animu cat girls,LELLELELE BURN THE HERETIC Memehammer, and also Delta Green is not operator whatsoever so fuck who ever recommended me to play that

>Juggernaut from MW2
oh hey, that's what that is. Nice cosplay, but yeah, the face-thing is weird. Truth, I did not know this was cosplay.

I've got a ton of these. Here, how about this guy. I think he's special forces in Brazil or something.

>Delta Green
>not operator
>throw in the usual 40k insult
>cat girls suck
>escapism

What you want us to do

Play airsoft?

God damn alpha 17
My nigguh

Shhhh my brother
let this image of the murder cube calm your tits

It wasn't even a troll, just a human in that milspec armor and the armor underoo thing.

Calm down francis

Commander Fordo actually

>What you want us to do
>Play airsoft?

not that guy, but that DOES sound fucking awesome.

youtube.com/watch?v=U6DKHb3TV8o

Don't want to know how much it costs...

BULLDOZER!
IT'S A BULLDOZER
FUCKING BULLDOZER
I GOT THE DOZER

Poor bastard, I know the feel. Took my first run on my cyborg soldier girl a few weeks back, run went south because there was no game plan and she and the troll heavy weapons specialist ended up out in a field without cover under fire from several angry russian guys with old AK-74's. Thankfully she was wearing full riot gear with a helmet, so she just got her stun damage track filled entirely in one full-auto burst and passed out.

Thankfully the team had a medic that patched her up so she could lead the charge into a cultist lair via boot to door and grenade to mage's face.

Old globe dome better than new "realistic" dozer

Guy who used to play airsoft reporting in

Airsoft is fun in it's own right, in fact I even used to own as a face mask for it. With that said, going into a tabletop RPG hoping to perfectly recreate the kind of play you find in airsoft is like combining ice cream and pizza expecting it to taste good. Just because they taste good on their own merits doesn't mean they're going to taste good together.

You go play an RPG to get away from realism, not to emulate it.

>passed out.
>Thankfully the team had a medic that patched her up
THIIIIIIISSSS is what I'm talking about.

Holy fucking hell you have to be ok with this! Motherfucking Jared went on a full fucky crybaby mode because he was TAKEN OUT OF PLAY! God FUCK these loser gamers sometimes.

clonetrooper.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha-17

Woops, I'm getting conflicting word from this shitty site.

>You go play an RPG to get away from realism, not to emulate it.
hmmmmm, ignoring a comment about how people play airsoft vs how actual military raids are performed, is there really no place for realism in my shadowrun game? I mean, I cut out that fantasy crap with magic and elves. Do I have to accept the bullshit weaboo gun-fu crap?

We had a really fun game a month ago that was nice and hard sci-fi.

The North Hollywood shootout begs to differ. Drugs and cobbled together civilian body armor can go a long way in keeping you going under fire. Now just imagine mil-spec gear and drugs.

Yeah, I just sat around and waited for the medic, I actually found it mildly amusing. Became an interesting roleplay point later, too, character in question was is an ex-UCAS marine who already has a lot of issues due to super low essence combined with feeling out of place as a shadowrunner anyway.
My advice as a DM and as a player would be to tell Jared to go sit in the corner until he can grow up. Player wants to act like a baby, treat them like a baby.

That's yer right, man, you do you. Just remember that everyone else will do them and everyone can get along just fine. Some people like the odd sort of contrast that is guns and tech with a deus ex feel combined with magic and fantasy races, it's sort of unique.

That's fine if that's the game you and your players want to play.

Just don't piss on people's parades if they want to keep the fantasy crap (even though I hate it in my cyberpunk) and gun-kata.

Also you aren't hard enough sci-fi if you don't have your hacker use real hacking.

>real hacking.
It's never really come up. I've had a hacker NPC that needed to get to the place and do the thing, but that whole.... "sculpted reality" thing is just too weird for me. And all my players are coders so I'd have to put up with them calling bullshit every 6 seconds.

SR hacking has always been laughable off-base to us that we just avoid it.

THAT SAID, if the FBI mandates backdoors in everything and illegalizes hard encryption, it might actually be a thing.

And they killed jack shit. For a bunch of war ready robbers they had the worst combat efficiency.

My sarcasm aside, your game sounds pretty fun. What's the farthest is does deviate from reality, in regards to technology and cybernetics?

Uh, some bipedal walking tank robot things. Which were MASSIVELY underwhelming as they went down like cheap whores.

I let them have that silly camo-suit from the book. -6 perception checks is nigh invisibility.

... In a separate game, where they were a bunch of street urchins, I threw some "devil rats" at them, which are essentially just large rats with some plague. Oh, but they can control other rats to do their bidding. That's straight up fantasy.

And cyberlimbs are kind of a trope. Plenty of those around.

Oooooh shit. Nevermind. One game went off the deep-end. "so a werewolf, a vampire, and a bug spirit walk into a bar...". They had to go save a biologist from bug-spirit impostors while ghouls and werewolves duked it out at a bar/rock-concert. Yeah, I forgot that one. It was a one-shot where I let people play with the fantasy crap. I think we had a troll that tried to emulate the cyberdemon from Doom. It was pretty ridiculous from the get-go.

And if everyone agrees to that sort of game, I'm all for it.

I take it you're new to shadowrun? Been enjoying it?

Been playing since 3rd ed.

No. The systems suck. It's made by artistic dreamers rather than engineers and mathematicians.

I mean, I love a good cyberpunk game. And I think the players like the stories/clusterfucks I present. We have an ok time. (Except for fucking Jared, but there's always that one guy). But we've honestly had to fight the system. It sucks ass. It's crunchy as all fucking get out if you let it be. And the action is DAMN slow in combat.

I'd like to try out... Interface-zero? But no-one else wants to learn a new system or buy books.

>But if you're shot, even with armor, you can get a grievous wound that you're going to bleed out from.
Wow you're retarded.

You can get shot in the chest five times by an AKM while wearing Tier 3 or 4 body armor and be completely A-OK. Cause that's actually happened quite a few times in the war, soldiers can even walk that shit off.

t. mall ninja

Infinity works much like that, despite being hugely weaboo/manga inspired and working with vidya game logic with regards to hacking and stuff.

A Heavy Infantry model is typically armored like the OP pic (though power armor), and they still go down to unlucky shots, especially if they don't use cover. If you're not hiding behind cover or the myriad other means of throwing off aim, you do not want to let your opponent get a clear shot off against you. Even with cover or hiding skills, you don't want to risk it when one stray bullet can down a valuable model.

Are you using a Red Green pic to mock hacking or mocking Red Green while talking about how games don't into reality?
'Cause I really like Red Green back in the days before internet TV, when cable cost an arm, leg and testicle.

>tfw all your players are either engineers, combat veterans or gun-toting housewives.

As the forever gm, and a software engineer, I have never let my PC's play a hacker. That would be like letting a childless millennial who can't cook play as a professional chef and father of 6.

Sure, it can work, but it would be cringey as fuck.

Do you also prohibit people that have never fired a gun from being marksmen? or people that have never swung a sword from being duelists?
You must have a pretty boring campaign.

>that canned reductio ad absurdum response
I am surprised you never mentioned dragons in your post, it would have been even more absurd! Lets unpack your post for some more tedium:

>[...] prohibit people that have never fired a gun from being marksmen?
You should know a lot of things about someone before they come to your gaming table. Before you get invited to a tabletop session of mine we could have an awesome day at the range, shoot all manner of firearms both old and new, and afterwards we can wash the desert grime off and enjoy some ice cream.

If that doesn't sound like fun to you, you would never find out that I play tabletop.

>[...]or [prohibit] people that have never swung a sword from being duelists?
This simply does not follow, as it has nothing to do with my real life profession which was the premise of my statement.

>You must have a pretty boring campaign.
Considering the nature of Veeky Forums and the intellectual depth of your response, I know your statement comes from resentment and not personal experience.

If in some alternate universe there exists an accountant version of me, I would not be slightly miffed he never let anyone play as accountants.

What do you do for a living?

I think thats Tokyo riot police, Brazilian BOPA is kind of a militia and they wear green most of the time.

>I mean, I cut out that fantasy crap with magic and elves.
Why are you playing Shadowrun, then? You might enjoy Cyberpunk 2020 more, there's none of that in it to begin with.

Mother fucker its cosplay. For a game. I like realism in game and get angry when games say they are realistic and aren't but they made no such claims.

I came here to tell you you're either a shitty troll or a stupid faggot, and the world would be better if you removed yourself from it.

Look, all these motherfuckers insisting on realism, you're doomed to fail. Straight from the start.

Want to emulate realism? Play on a 1:1 clock. Give your players seconds to make their decisions. Don't let them ever think about or consider their actions during combat, or in social situations without repercussions.

True realism on the table is impossible, and attempting it is folly. You'd have better luck turning lead into gold.

Well I can hear the fedora in your tone so thank fuck you don't tell many people you table top, I'm sure your games are a cesspit of autism.

I love it when uncle /k/ comes to visit.

>Grevious wounds from being shot in armor.
This tells me you don't know how body armor works. It's not designed to stop a bullet like a tank stops bullets. Body armor is more of a mesh of fibers that catch and spread the impact of the bullet, so instead of being slammed by a needle, it's more of being slammed by a baseball. Some BA does have plates in them, these are similar to kevlar helmets in that they are woven to actually redirect the bullets energy (and thus, the bullet itself) away from vital organs.
Now if the bullet penetrates the armor, yeah you're going to be hurt, you just got shot after all, being shot in armor doesn't mean you're going to just walk it off. Most people shot suffer cracked ribs, deep muscle bruising, injuries that are similar to high velocity blunt impacts.

It does suck to get shot.

I just go with the Hackers/Johnny Mnemonic and make hacking so far from plausible that it becomes it's own thing. Particularly in something like shadowrun where the entire thing is layers of ludicrous with a fine veneer of sensible. Part of the fun becomes taking something so nonsense seriously.

I don't know, playing as a half-level child and one-shotting a heavily armored elite sound pretty rad.

Wow, what a tool.

Consider me trolled.

To be fair he was in magic future armour that just negates damage before you even get to the soak roll. This said, sometimes shit happens.

>.223 placed on the center of that white helmet would be the end of him.
That's because it's shit helmet.

Anyway, you aren't going prove anything. People want hollywood bullshit - people play with hollywood rules. People want realism - people play with realistic rules.

the fuck are you even doing here

A LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED BOUNTY HUNTER

why are you here nigger

Those mother fuckers ran fast man, they wete fucking terrifying in the first game

Waving magic sticks at people also doesn't work, dickhead.

>You go play an RPG to get away from realism, not to emulate it.
Useless blanket statement.

> posting shitty game cosplay
> talks about realism
always unique, totally interesting

I don't think your post contradicts his post. Either of those things could happen, body armour isn't that consistent. There's loads of factors that mean one guy might be able to shrug off half a dozen rifle bullets while another takes one bad shot and ends up dead.

Remember Veeky Forums, most That Guy stories usually come from other people on Veeky Forums. This post is a prime example of it. I have difficulty believing someone this autistic actually exists.

Having witnessed many d&d encounters at my FLGS I am convinced this is real.

You don't sound like fun. Running the risk of dying from being stabbed by a hobo with a broken bottle no matter how experienced you are is the most fun thing in the world.

>If in some alternate universe there exists an accountant version of me, I would not be slightly miffed he never let anyone play as accountants.

Well, you'd make Gygax proud.

And nobody else.

That's Taiwanese.

>Fuck you fa/tg/uys then go back to your little escapist games with your fucking animu cat girls
I will, thanks.

I'm currently playing with a setting where all the guns and weapons are made of scrap metal and trash.

I chalk up any of the unrealistic elements as to the inaccuracy and relatively weak firepower of these weapons. Heavy armored dudes like in OP's pic are bossfights.

But it's ok because it's just a game, bro.

Scrap made guns are neat.

Agreed

A day late and a dollar short, but OP needs to mellow his hash. No matter what you’re doing, a human being is going to be frustrated when something doesn’t perform the way they envision. If the guy built a “tanky” character, I assume he spent a significant amount of his character budget on damage soaking tech and attributes. If the image in his head was of the character walking through a field of small arms fire like Ironman, then, yeah, when a bad roll causes a mall cop to drop him with a burst from an SMG he’s going to be upset. All the attribute points and nuyen he sank into being “tanky” feels wasted, and when the primary mechanical hook he’d based a character around fails it feels like the whole character is a failure.

One might argue he should adjust his expectations downward when it comes to damage reduction in Shadowrun, and maybe this is true. On the other hand, Milspec armor in Shadowrun has the benefit of about 60 years of technological development in a setting where nanotechnology, harvesting new materials from paracritters, and straight up magic are all used in production. If he didn’t run the numbers, it’d be easy to assume someone would at least have to pull out some APDS or a light machinegun to put holes in him. It’s human to be upset when you’re wrong.

Of course, I mostly play capecrap myself, where the bullet sponges can shake off getting hammered by a tank shell, often while wearing a t-shirt. It’s fair to say I’ve never let reality get in the way of a good time.

>yfw EOD gear isn't made to resist bullets what so ever though

Tell us more about the setting.

/k/ommandos are pathetic

Guns are just tools. Imagine a whole board devoted to power drills.

>this thread
talk about bait, this is more bait than water, and the most retarded loudmouths of both sides of the realism vs fantrasy argument have been caught

Power drills belong on /out/, /diy/ or /k/ depending on your preferred uses. /k/ isn't necessarily all about guns.

Alright.

It's set in another world where it is always night. There is a city, the only city, where all the people live. People arrived here from other dimensions, other worlds, the people who got 'lost' came here. In rusty old cars and boats driven down the river or old forest paths they found themselves in the city. To keep the darkness at bay, the mysterious power grid and sterile service tunnels manned by nobody keeps everything going.

Humans live here as well as several other alien species from other dimensions. Many people here are also natives- they've never seen the sun before. Life here is not a great explosion in the day and a great lull in the night, instead it is a slow and steady trickle all the time. Shops close when their owners sleep, people work when they wish, and the city's government prints more shitty monopoly money and tries to keep the gangs in line.

The setting features a lot of scrap metal technology- trash and refuse from the other worlds that ended up here turned into guns and factories; engine-blocks from cars can be made into soup can assemblers and stuff, far more valuable then just as a means of transport. The city is extremely dense in some areas and spread in others, and nature is always close by. Cats, dogs, giant bats and wild lemurs roam the streets all the time. They're usually pretty quiet though, since all the loud ones have been made into sausages by the hungry city-folk already.

Additionally, the strange dimensional nexus that is the city seems to awaken the latent psychic abilities in some individuals, and the service tunnels occasionally spit up creatures or items too strange and unnatural to obey all rules that we understand.

The truth though is that it's a great place to live. The city is our home now, and we will fight to defend it.

So you don't like guns and ice cream? Or are you those people who if you sat at a table and had to stat yourself out you wouldn't have any combat skills or actual technical skills?

Seriously, if you are all so mad at my comments and opinion it would be nice to know where you are coming from otherwise I cannot see it form your point of view.

What do you do for a living?

Nigger, you don't let people play make-believe in a make-believe game. Can't you see the problem, really?

>You can get shot five times by an AKM in the chest while wearing Lvl III or IV plates

No. No you can't. from inside 400 yards, you could take one 7.62x39mm in the plates, and maybe, MAYBE two.

This is why Veeky Forums should never discuss firearms. Or really anything practical/martial. 90% have no idea what you're talking about.

Stick to fluff and fiction.

If someones make believe ruins the immersion for the rest of the table, that would be a bigger problem.

>you don't let people play make-believe in a make-believe game.
That's simply not true. I disallow a certain flavor of make believe in an even smaller subset of games that have a specific element, notably hackers.

Disallowing a tiny element out of a much larger system where others here have already stated that they disregard half the game (removing magic and species from Shadowrun) yet they receive none of the mass hatred I have been receiving just for one small exemption from the same game.

Your outrage seems disproportionate. What do you do for a living?

Nigga, why don't you just play Monopoly if you're gonna strip the game of all of its features?

And why are you so obsessed into knowing the profession of the people who are talking to you? I'm not the guy you were talking first, by the way.

>strip the game of all of its features?
Well if your going to keep lying, why bother trying to have a discussion with me?

I remove one profession, compared to people stripping the game of half its key features and flavor.

Why don't you let your players be what they want? Just because of your wicked sense of "realism" in a make-believe game?

>It is no different than using pregens.
>It is no different than restricting chargen to a handful of books
>It is no different than restricting players to certain classes and races

People do this all the time. Especially at cons.

I have this feeling you are either trolling to bump your thread, or you are the part of the Veeky Forums confessions "I have never played a tabletop" crowd.

Why do you feel so persecuted when someone disagrees with you?

>Creating a character you like and decking him out in the best armor you can get your hands on, only for some half level child soldier npc to kill him with a lucky head shot doesn't sound like fun.

What kind of pleb are you that sounds like a lot of fun

There's a difference between stating "this is the style of game, so no one can play trolls/wizards/Frenchmen," and, "I think that you (insert player name) lack the life skills to role play a hacker/paladin/adeptus mechanicus."

If you can't see people's problems with the second way you're either trolling or have some sort of social deficiency.

Have you ever tried Ballad of the Laser Whales? It's the Riddle of Steel style danger but with a pulpy wwii era gunfighting application.

Playing a one shot at a con is different than playing a campaign with friends.

If you had steel plates instead of ceramic you could take repeat hits. Lots of them. Only problem is spalling, and newer coatings can mitigate that to some degree. (Spalling from bullets at high speed can be leathal if the fragments were to nick an artery.)

They're heavy though.

I'll look into it. That dude's post reminded me of this French RPG I love called Blue Planet. It's a great game, some anorexic tribesman can ill you with a fish knife if he hits you in the right spot