For those of you more experienced campers/hikers out there. How much food...

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I should specify as well that said chain gloves ran up the entire length of the fore arm, they didn't cover the hand alone.

>My loadout comes to about 50 or 60 lbs
That's been the pretty consistent load of professional soldiers since Rome. Its about as much as a peraon can carry and still walk all day.

It is really pretty high. Back in D&D 1e/2e it was sort of assumed you had some henchmen/carts along with you. Because that is what it would take.

Now, a band of ranger types could do for less. No armor and just some bows or some such.

But if you got some fighters with real armor and are traveling any distance they likely have something carrying that stuff for them.

We have gotten away from that with later editions of the game. But I think there is a pull back to that thinking, maybe just a little, with 5e. Not nearly enough, but I think it is there a little.

Did some late medieval reenacting a few years ago, whilst not survival at all, I've got a tiny bit of experience carting armour around using relatively appropriate gear. Also put in time to researching how it was actually done for the sake of explaining to people. It ain't much but it's a start I guess.

Anyway, the main thing for medieval stuff is that almost everything that can be stuffed in a sack, is. The sacks are bound in rope, because the cloth just ain't modern canvas and needs the extra reinforcement. Also makes them easier to handle. There basically isn't backpacks, closest thing you get is a basket worn on the back, and that's not really suitable for travelling any real distance with, more just porting stuff around. So anything that is being carries by an individual is what they're wearing, and perhaps put in a satchel/bundle. Very minimalist, no tents expected for most, typically just a sheet tied to a tree or sticks if local lodgings were not expected, if not just sleeping under a hedge.

For the most part armour just isn't worn when travelling, and is either kept in chests or sacks. Historically though wary, wealthy travellers of the 1400s might have been wearing a brigandine as they were noted for being reasonably comfortable, or a mail shirt under a coat. A metal skullcap might also be tucked inside a hat.

Generally though travel around the western european countryside wasn't that arduous, barring run-ins with the locals for being a stranger everywhere you went. In a way that's lost on people now due to machine based cultivation, there were always people outside watching animals and doing other farming things so there's no real way to not get spotted moving around an area. There's villages and towns all within less than a day's walking distance of each other, plenty of monasteries as well. As long as there's money/barter/thievery possible, food and drink wasn't that much of a problem for individuals/small groups so little was carried.

Anything more eventful than just moving between villages and towns though is going to require a wagon. Weight of armour really mounts up, weapons whilst not that heavy are still bulky and generally carried on the wagon if there's an option, ammunition of all kinds needs keeping out of the rain.

Barrels are the go-to if it's not in a sack, and could be used for transporting everything from armour to booze and food. Firewood may need to be carried due to lack of guarantee-able supplies at the destination, and a few hand-tools for woodwork would generally be present to maintain the wagon and supply a camp.

Exactly. That's why knights had squires. They're not just for fucking, you know.

Is hard tack worth taking in your opinion?

Off-topic, but is that some form of Persian Brigandine I see Yusuf the Scholarly Muslim wearing?

Anything else?

Shit dude. Tough livin but i can see a peace of mind from it. Good way to keep you out of the bullshit paperwork of life, as well as some good stories.

Got any?

Depends on the trip.
If it's just a few days, perhaps a gallon or two of water along with some meat would do well enough, along with the other obvious necessities such as a tarp (or some other covering if we're talking medieval times, perhaps leather?) The most crucial thing would be knowing how to do the basics around the camp. How to make or find shelter, how to start a fire, etc. On short trips, cooking shouldn't be too much an issue.
Say it's a few weeks though, you'll definitely want to pack heavier. Bring hardtack, and smoked meats.
Or salted, if you have enough water. By that point, you'd need something mobile to move with you to carry all that water, so a horse or mule- another mouth to feed. I would say it's better to conserve water on longer trips than take even more. The basics from the short trip aren't much different though, but now you may want a pot or pan for cooking, along with the aforementioned things. It also wouldn't hurt at all to bring blankets in either scenario. And always remember your tools, knives, axes, perhaps a splitting wedge if you need to split particularly large logs.

For armor transport, it's heavily dependant on the armor itself.
Chainmaille is easy to trasport, quite literally can be thrown in the sack, since it bends and such, but it'll be a pain in the ass to carry due to weight.
Plate wouldn't be too hard, really you'd have to worry more about rust and the elements on your shiny cuirass. It will take up plenty of space though, so be wary.
Brigandine and such like will be between the two in terms of carrying, since you can make a Brigandine thinner for transport by simply undoing the buckles and collapsing it, but it is just about as heavy as plate.
Gambeson would probably be the easiest, think of it as a really, really thick, padded shirt. Be careful not to tear it, however.
If you worry about gambeson as actual armor, I'd suggest you fear not, those dulled blades of the bandits shouldn't pose much a problem.

Alright, Innawoods fag from above. Why weren't backpacks used? I mean, the concept seems simple enough, and they had straps and buttons. Were they missing the strength of modern fabrics? Was it something to do with some other aspect of pack construction (like stitching?) Was there just no real need, with the people everywhere?

Bread items are generally good, being that they're very filling and high in carbs. So, sure, why not hard tack? I Piles. This is one of my favs.
>be hitchhiker in north Carolina in a party of 4
>split into pairs, easier to thumb a ride
>walking on interstate (lol)
>guy in a pickup truck pulls over, i get in the cab. Other guy goes in the back
>old army sargeant, cool as fuck
>he takes us down the road, offers to load us up on some food. Say sure
>fills our packs up, and before we leave, asks us where were staying
>underabridge.shame
>invites us back to his house. Why not?
>we head back the way we came to his house
>on the way, see the other pair of guys
He says fuck it, flips around, loads them up in the truck bed too
>turns to me and says "this isn't gonna fly with my wife"
>"we need to tell a little lie. You served with me in the military in Iraq. You were a specialist in mortuary affairs. You're living out your PTSD days on the road, and I just happened to see you"
>dude drives me and 3 dirty hobos back to his place
>wife comes home
>what. the. fuck.
>tell her the story, play along the whole time, reminiscing about bar fights in Fallujah and goat BBQ
>tfw good at roleplaying :^)

And that's how I joined the army. Later, sarge left for awhile, and his wife cross examined me again. I was freaking out the whole time waiting for him to get back. Thanlfully she never found out. She would have tanned his asa. A little light hearted story.

But you guys would probably rather hear about fistfights in NOLA or fucking MILFs in abandoned churches or gutter punks driving nails into their hands.

I got more, if anyone is interested

It's 2 in the morning and this is on page 10

You probably ditched by now but yes.

This thread has been very helpful for gauging travel ordeals. Will be put to use even if some of you fatties were lying

Even though I haven't hobo-travelled that much, most of my experiences come from a half LARP half survival event here in Finland that lasts about a weekend.
As for food and water, they eat up a lot of space and weight, but if any kind of civilization comes across in a two days time, it won't be a problem.
Sleeping is also a thing. Nights can be quite cold, so having a cloak and lots of clothing can save you. Tents are luxury and a pain in the ass to carry, though, but a hammock can be useful and carryable.
Also, if you are going guerilla up in the woods, remember to seal up ankles with your socks, wear gloves and tuck a short under your belt - ticks can be a fucking nightmare.

*and tuck a shirt under your belt. Jeez, I should preview my posts.

Anyways, it's pretty easy to go around light. Just bring a knife, some money to buy food from villages, have a warm way to sleep, know how to start a fire in case you have food to cook.

>Alright, Innawoods fag from above. Why weren't backpacks used?
Basket backpacks with straps were widely used. It's just that soldiers weren't expected to carry their own loads and a war host generally included pack animals and servants.

Before wifu and kidies I did living history and inawoods all the time. Normally treedays at a time by myself over rough terrain rock clifs stres dense forest ect. Wore real wole great kilt and Roman style sandals pack was 10by 10 oil cloth wraped around supplies and tied with bailing twine worn sling style doubles for tent. 2 galons water hearty bread cheese and peanut butter for food plus's forage. Axe knife and fire starter because fuck Flint and steal.50 bailing twine and second kilt for bad weather. All you need.

>But you guys would probably rather hear about fistfights in NOLA or fucking MILFs in abandoned churches or gutter punks driving nails into their hands.
>I got more, if anyone is interested
SHIT YES

Sixty pounds of gear if you're poor sounds right.
If you have all your food in a bear can and you've packed correctly you can have a pack under 30 lbs with a tent that fits two. Food lasting about a week.
Source. I literally just did this while hiking the JMT.

This one's romantic :^)

>hanging out in Asheville. Been busking the days away, making about 100/night to keep me and my gutter punk friends in food, booze, and cigs
>we just moved in to an a squathouse down the road, been staying there for a couple days. Life is fine except when punks are trying to kill each other. Its a nightly thing
>punks out with me on the street, were all working up some money. Mark goes into the alley to take a piss
>comes back, there's a 30 or 40 yr old woman with him
>married broad from south Carolina with 2 kids, came up to Asheville to have some fun for the weekend
>she had crossed paths with Mark while he was passing in the alley, and he asked her if she wants to hang out... And not to call the cops
>she wants the dick lol
>mark has girlfriend, he pawns her off on me. W/e
>finish playing for the night, count up money, decide its time to get some beer. Gonna meet mark and Sierra back at the squat

>we arrive
>4storywarehouse.jpg
>done up with spraypaint, rusty nails, broken glass, and chicken bones on cord just to make it look ominous (we did that)
>get to drinking. MILF just keeps staring at me
>fuck it. Lean in, try to kiss her
>instant reciprocation
>furious making out
>mark and sierra decide to give us alone time
>we get naked, but she's hesitant to fugg
>pull her on top of me, and let her figure figure it out for herself. Guess she was horny coz she put my dick in her
>jokes on you bitch!
>toodrunktofuck.mp3
>spend the next four hours trying to get off
>no dice

I went to sleep, woke up the next morning to her being gone. Punks came upstairs and asked how my knees felt, coz apparently all they could hear was banging all night.

>tfw cucked a married man

I kinda hope I managed to knock her up desu. Let some other fuck raise a bastatd for me.

There is good material in here for a survivalist pdf.

iirc they are mostly seen in the context of farming. They are uncomfortable as a pack of bricks to wear when travelling due to the complete lack of cushioning that is present in modern packs, or just smarter weight distribution as with military packs seen a few centuries later.

One option for protection though that is often forgotten is a bit of fieldcraft and building shelters out of branches, hay, whatever can be found. Pretty sure there's records of veterans of napoleon's campaigns complaining that the new guys if they couldn't steal a barn or whatever from the locals just slept under hedges rather than take a few minutes to hack down some branches and bodge together a shelter so they and their comrades could sleep in much better conditions and be less worn out before battles and travel.

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Best way to carry stuff:
Get someone else to do it.

Well yeah, after Euro armies started cutting into the train, it only took some 300 years until we figured out how2smart backpack.

>For those of you more experienced campers/hikers out there. How much food, water and supplies would an adventurer realistically needed to carry for their excursions between bandit camps, dungeons or villages?
So for starters, I've been camping and back-country hiking, solo and in groups, since I was six years old. That will make thirty years as of next week. I've been doing historical reenactment and "experimental archaeology" for the last twenty or so.

If you're not too concerned about comfort (read: medieval camping), you can carry everything you >need< in a simple "wallet"/bedroll. lay out a sailcloth tarp, put your blanket atop it, roll up basic camp supplies inside, tie the end shut, then together and sling it over your shoulder. Add a couple waterskins of small beer and a whiskey flask (for water purification, I swear), as well as a bread-bag you can easily ditch (in case a bear shows up and you're not able to get at your weapons). Add a coil of rope to your belt and a bucket or thin kettle. With hard-tack, jerky, and dried fruit (AKA Iron rations) you've only got about twenty-thirty pounts of weight on you, and you can literally carry that all day with minimal training. I've seen completely green teenage girls haul that kind of load for twelve miles. If you use your blanket as a cloak make sure it's wool, but that actually makes the perceived load lighter by about five pounds, and it'll keep you warm no matter the weather.
That's a good week of travel's worth of cargo for an adventurer just living off what you can carry. If you can forage it's double to triple that, and flour or dried potatoes are comparatively light. Water is the only serious issue, since you're going to be going through about six to eight pounds' worth a day - having purifiers helps a LOT, and even when I'm doing re-creation stuff I carry that for safety's sake. Most of the time historically you'd be going until you hit a river..

>While still being decently armed?
That load makes it easy to shrug off the wallet and the belt that's bearing your water/rope in a matter of seconds. With a 20lb load of food/gear, you can actually wear a full mail-shirt and carry an axe/sword, shield, and spear (or bow and axe) with very little trouble while you hike. When I do modern stuff, all it adds is comfort. Well, that, and I can carry a holstered .357 revolver and a carbine, plus an AR-7 or Ruger pistol for varminting, in less weight than the damned bow would take, let alone the mail-shirt..

I should also point out, I'm from the Pacific Northwest in the US. We have a relatively mild (if utterly fucking soaking) climate up here, close to the nice parts of Poland and the shit parts of Ireland. Because of that whole "rain forest" thing it's actually much easier than camping in some other parts of the world.
One of the things you'll see historically is the stereotypical donkey with kegs on his pack - that shit's not usually water, it's a small-beer (~3-4%) or weak cider to supply the party with hydration and a goodly chunk of their nutrition/electrolytes while moving. Beers and ales are your best fucking friends in the backwoods, because they stay pure and they have a shit-ton of B12 and a good bit of cheap calories in them for energy. Just don't go packing that shit back like Natty Ice. Modern stuff is a lot less-nutritious and more-intoxicating. Also, the modern packaging is more encumbering than a leather bladder, and I don't recommend having a 12-pack and a gun on you if you run into a park ranger.

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On foot?
About 4 litres of water and 2 kilo food per day to cross some 50km distance.
Assuming 10 hours of travel daily.

On horseback?
3 days to get from Vienna to the Black sea with about as much food +horseffeed.

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This is literally a point of muslim doctrine, that the internal jihad must take precedence over the external jihad.

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I can go about a week comfortably. I don't bring armor or weapons typically, but adventurers are larger than life so I'd say a week for them too. With a horse, that bit of hand waving is obviated and the time still rises. It could be feasible to do a month, particularly as you can have a couple spare mules that carry nothing but food.

However, I should point out that it depends a lot on tech level and climate. In a hot place, you can't bring meat unless you dry it, but you can dry it easily. In a cold place, anything is fine since it freezes, but some things aren't as yummy if they've been frozen. For that purpose, I like frikadeller, which are like meatballs. Bread is good if the climate is dry or cold, but if it's warm and humid it'll mold immediately. However, it's easier to forage in warm and humid places because those are attributes that plants love. Also there are salty unleavened biscuits which are a lot better for this, though they're still susceptible to weasels. Cheeses work okay in any climate. However, vegetables and fruits don't travel well and are difficult to dry outside of deserts, so travel food is not advisable as your only food for long periods of time. But in a modern setting, you could just bring a bag of MREs and have full nutrition.

There isn't any climate where you need tents and that much water per day. In places where it rains, you can replenish your water from natural sources so you just use a portable filter. For fantasy adventurers, we can assume that the water is generally clean enough to drink if it appears to be, as this is almost always the case in virgin land.
Also, sixty pounds with modern gear isn't a good packing job, you should be able to do forty.
I wouldn't imagine you'd march in full armor. That's something you have on your horse or not at all.

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So armor would be stupid hard to move so would like, boiled leather be good for travel in something resembling armor?

Foraging for food slows you way down, if you can survive at all.

Unless you're in a hunter gatherer band, it's pretty difficult to get sufficient nutrition from hunting and foraging.

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Just imagine yourself wearing football gear including the helmet

50km sounds extremely optimistic for a days march.

First, ask yourself, are you running a medieval combat/survival simulator, or are you roleplaying a story?

If the latter, how crucial is a food shortage to said story?

If the former - there are already rules for that.