ITT: Types of characters you should never play

Moffat should've just left with Smith. I can't wait for the next season without his shitty writing.

>war
Horrible casting. I've nothing against John Hurt, but he's old and doesn't have the basic mobility one would expect from a War Doctor. Also adding in another incarnation of the Doctor was completely unnecessary. If Eccleston had agreed to participate and it'd been 9, that would've been a different story, but they didn't need to be introducing an entirely new character for shit to hinge on.

It wouldn't really have made sense with Eccelston since we see him checking out his face in his first episode as if seeing himself in a mirror for the first time.
They should've used McGann.

Pretty much have to agree with this. Eccleston and early Tennant had the best run, while the writing was still goofy to fit the silly sci-fi theme Doctor Who has always had but not brain-dead enough to be difficult to watch, but all of the Doctors have been well chosen for their roles and are good at different things. Matt Smith's a personal favourite, followed by Eccleston and then Tennant, but as I said, they all did a fine job. Can't say I know much about Capaldi, since I stopped watching early into his run, since the show had lost practically all of its luster by that point, but I know he's a good actor, so I'm willing to blame it all on writing and production rather than the Doctor.

Its mostly the writing, 12 and Clara were pretty damn good acting wise, and their relationship was a bit more fresh after 9/10/11's companions.

>Strong silent types bad

I don't know if I could get behind this, I think it comes down to the person playing the character. In a Dark Heresy game that lasted more or less a year, my character voluntarily spoke twice. Every other time he was responding to orders. The rest of his character was put on display via his actions (And a bit of OOC banter throughout the campaign) which allowed him to still develop a personality of his own within the group, and eventually would lead to him taking over leadership of the group after mine and another party member basically ended up switching roles.

I think that was the most character development we had seen within a game in a very long time within our gaming group, and I'm always hoping we'll get a chance to play that group again.

TL;DR: I don't think there can be simple yes/no answers to most "what not to play" questions.

Brooding loners. They're inexplicably popular with teenagers -probably because they're "cool" and "edgy"- but why the hell would you play an anti-social character in a game that's by definition a social engagement? Of course not every character needs to be a social butterfly, and not every player needs to be a social butterfly, but if the entire party is socializing at the inn and you're just standing on the rooftop to look at the moon and brood about your retarded revenge porn, just leave. The party neither wants nor needs you.

Never liked Clara beyond her first two appearances. After that she just became this nobody we kept being told to care about because she was the most important woman in the universe, but she never does anything worthy of that praise.
Best companion in NuWho was Donna. She worked great on-screen with Tennant, and it was such a breath of fresh air to finally get a companion that wasn't completely awestruck and in love with the Doctor.

>Moffat should've just left with Smith.
Agreed.

> I can't wait for the next season without his shitty writing.
The dude can write a really good episode, but he needs a solid foundation to build upon, and as a show runner, that's entirely lacking. It's all clever plot twists and shit with no soul.

I'm on hiatus. I got a couple of episodes into season 9 and had to walk away. To be fair, some of that is due to the build up of dissatisfaction over the longer term (I've been a bit antsy since the beginning of season 6, really) that has only now reached a critical mass. But I really don't care for the shift in approach that's accompanied Capaldi's arrival (not that late Smith-era didn't have its own set of problems). So I'm going to wait until there's a new show runner and jump back in at that point. At some point in the future, when the 12th Doctor stuff isn't current and I have less invested in it, I'll probably go back and watch through it, like I did with 7th Doctor stuff from way back when.

Eh I didnt mind her once 11 left. The more adversarial connection with 12 felt better.

Now I want to play a strong, silent type character. I think the key would be to be expressive in your silence (with body language and facial expressions and whatnot), and to have your actions carry significance. For that purpose, I'd be particular descriptive about what he does, narrating him in such a way as to reveal thoughts, motivations, internal turmoil and so forth. But it would certainly be a challenge.

I would add that worse than the strong, silent type is the brooding loner (who can't even cooperate and coordinate properly with the rest of the party), though obviously there's a decent bit of overlap.

I'll agree she was better with 12 than 11, but Moffat was still pushing the whole "Most Important Girl In The Universe"-thing with her too hard. He even found a way to sneak her even further into the Doctor's fucking origin story.
Maybe she gets better in series 9, but after series 8 sucked as bad as it did I just can't really bring myself to watch it.

>12 and Clara were pretty damn good acting wise
I quit watching at the beginning of season 9, but judging from season 8, it seed like Clara was overshadowing the Doctor in a way, and that it was interfering with the development of (or at least the expression of) his personality. I was always happy when the Doctor was off on his own for that reason. Don't get me wrong, I've nothing against having a prominent companion, but the dynamic seemed off to me--like it wasn't symbiotic in the right way or something. As far as Clara, herself, goes, I think she's a fine character and Coleman does a good job with her, but it doesn't feel like she's adding anything that new to the show. I'm getting really tired of the cute, young girl from modern day UK formula broken only by Donna.

I wish Donna were a bit less over-the-top and obnoxious. I like her for breaking the mold in a lot of different ways, but there are things I would definitely have changed.

Brooding loner mind.

See, I think 1st season is so "gay" and poorly written as to not have a single episode I can recommend without reservation. But 9 was great, and the show had a soul. The 12th Doctor stuff is actually more cleverly written, but it's all bullshit relationship drama and plot twists without anything behind them, and I just don't *like* the show anymore, or care about the Doctor or his companion. I'd say that the golden era of new Who would be the latter part of Tennant, and the beginning of Smith (but only 5th season, really). I really wish that Eccleston had been around for some good stories.

>See, I think 1st season is so "gay" and poorly written as to not have a single episode I can recommend without reservation
Personally I think "Dalek", "The Empty Child" and "The Doctor Dances" are all great episodes from the first series.
Hell, I'd go so far as to say that "Dalek" is one of the only good episodes in NuWho to actually feature a Dalek. All the other episodes with them tend to suck tremendously.

You should kill yourself. Tennant is a horrible television actor (most stage actors are).

Dalek had good parts, but it also set up an unworkable model of power for the Daleks. I'm apparently the only person in the world who didn't like Empty Child / Doctor Dances despite quite liking all the other Davies-era Moffat stories. I thought the gas mask thing was stupid, I don't like Captain Jack, and the ending was anticlimactic.

No one cares about your overrated TV show, you fuckwit Britaboos.

And "never?" Don't be a retarded faggot, OP.

I think capaldi makes a good "old man, grumpy, serious doctor" and he makes it work BUT yes the episodes and writing have been utter and total shit for his current run

Are you even trying?

Bakers who only want to bake bread and sell it. They refuse to take any plot hook that might take them away from their livelihood.
Really anything along those lines.

Tenant was the fucking worst.

Kender

I would fugDonna over Amy any day.

I'll have Rose and Martha, thanks.

Honestly I think he could've been a good showrunner too, provided he had an editor or another producer reining him in. That was really his only problem, as far as I can tell: nobody ever bothered to tell him "No, Stephen, that's stupid. Don't do that." And it hurt the show, to the point of making it almost unwatchable for me.

Every brilliantly creative artist needs and engineer to bring them down to earth, just like every brilliant engineer needs an artist to keep them from getting boring. That's what Moffat was lacking.

As an example, in Blink, the most universally praised episode in the history of the universe or whatever, Moffat couldn't figure out how to defeat the Weeping Angels. He was literally unable to come up with a solution to a monster he himself had created. It was the director of that episode who came up with the (obvious) solution there, which for some reason was never reused... making that solution seem like a retcon.

If we're picking any companion, I'm going with Leela. Not based on sheer physical attractiveness, mind you, because somebody like Amy easily beats her there, but in terms of the whole package, I don't think there's any companion that can stand up to Leela. Can you imagine how crazy she would be in the sack?

But she's old now.
The two I listed are still usable.

I'd fuck Amy in her Nebula make-up.

Great taste.

>But she's old now.
She hasn't even been born yet and won't be for hundreds of years. We're talking about the companions of a time traveler. I don't think the actress's current age has much to do with anything.

Doctor Who is absolute shit how the fuck could anyone watch such garbage.

Shit actors, shit lore, shit props, shit stories, shit shit shit.

There is nothing good about it.

Quit beating around the bush. Do you like the show or not?

Amy in the red nose day special where she flirted with herself was pretty funny/hot

Anything related to the cancer that is Dr. Who or Moffat

Dr Who is shit in general and it gets even worse when you try to play him as a character in a game where things don't just go your way because the plot demands it

I dare you to roleplay as him without turning into just another murder hobo.

LE LE LE SO RANDUB HAHA MY PC IS CRAZY HAHA DID I ALREADY TELL YOU xP HIHIHIH

fuck off, that's not the only way to play CN

I really liked smith, he was generally light hearted but had some serious/dark moments thrown into some of his episodes

>ITT

Lorne Malvo is chaotic evil regular dude done right.

Just this once everybody lives!

Smith was a pretty nice Doctor, it's a shame that he was the one to see Who writing standards' enter a descent into decay.

Capalfi's good, but Kill the Moon destroyed my enthusiasm for the series.

Seriously what the fuck were they thinking with that episode

>"my character was raised in the woods, so he doesn't care about civilization's rules!"
>only uses it as a justification for nonstop stealing
>any character created around a dumb joke that isn't at least eventually formed into an actual character
>any sort of evil character in a party that's mostly good or has a paladin
>any sort of paladin in a party that's mostly neutral or worse or has an evil character
>any character of a race that exists, but you have to make rules for it as a player - gnolls, kobolds, centaurs, etc.
>any character of a homebrewed race
>any character that is a carbon copy of an existing character in literature or a videogame, but is not changed to fit with a different setting/is not allowed to change as things happen in the adventure

The weren't thinking at all

>They should've used McGann.
Word. Sure, his role in television continuity is a bit shaky (I refuse to accept that that shitty TV movie actually happened), but he's validated his existence in the audio adventures and his face has been shown in new Who a few times, so they're clearly going with a reality in which he was, indeed, the 8th Doctor. Hell, they even had him in that webisode lead-up to Day of the Doctor, and he's a fine actor who's well-suited to the role (he was one of the only things I liked about the American TV movie), so I can't think of a good reason not to use him. Why bring in some new guy just because?

>>any character of a race that exists, but you have to make rules for it as a player - gnolls, kobolds, centaurs, etc.

Centaur I can see, for mechanic-reasons, but there's nothing stopping a gnoll or kobold from deciding to go out and do mercenary work.

Hell, most rulebooks have a small section for converting these and similar races as PCs

Too many rape magical realms

I felt bad for Capaldi after his first season. Only two episodes that didn't get completely shafted by shit writing.

There were no such episode.
And angels appeared only once.
And Clara never had a boyfriend who became a cyberman. What a nonsense, they wouldn't write such shitty stories.

>any sort of evil character in a party that's mostly good or has a paladin
Been playing the Evil character in the Good party for about 4 years now. What's important is to make a character that initially benefits from the groups success or has a stake in whatever quest the DM wants to throw at the party, and eventually make the character care about the other group members enough that he'll want to stick around even when they aren't needed for his scheme. Whenever possible try to keep whatever makes the character "Evil" away from the other party members.
Worst case you get some great roleplay about how betrayed the group feels that you could do whatever nefarious shit your character is up to behind their backs.

>New player finally gets to play for the first time
>Has watched a bunch of Critical Role apparently
>Always wanted to play
>Writes "Deadpool" under his alignment on his character sheet

The party actually killed said PC-turned-NPC-turned-Villain last session, with the new player getting the finishing blow on his former character.

>Not GMing an amazing game about the artisans of the capital city's market district
>The butcher, the Baker, and the candlestick maker
>Terrible fools all three
Do you even GM?

>judging from season 8, it seed like Clara was overshadowing the Doctor in a way
You're not wrong, however, Capaldi was absolutely stellar throughout. I would suggest watching S9 if only because the second to last episode is 100% fuckamazing.
99% Capaldi only.

Sounds like he's learning. I try not to hold players' first-ever characters against them.

Hell, my first character was a 20 strength orc with a spiked chain and trip feats.

Can we briefly discuss how awesome Heaven Sent was?

Well what do you suggest, Vizzini? IÐÞ?

too bad season 9's final episode was shit

I P much literally tried to make Paul Atreides when i made my first character. In Mage.

my favorite doctor is atkinson

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my favourite episode was midnight. Fite me

Does anyone have a PDF for the latest edition of the Doctor Who RPG?

I actually read an interview recently, and Moffat said he got very close to getting Eccelston on board, but couldn't seal the deal. Likewise, Eccelston actually says he wish he stuck around longer and fleshed out his Doctor more, but he had too many creative difference with three people at the top of the totem pole. I'm guessing Davies and couple of Execs.

He does seem to want to do that part again though.

>I'm on hiatus. I got a couple of episodes into season 9 and had to walk away.

I ended up taking a break around when Smith left the show. I really wanted to keep liking it, but the wankery was pretty unbearable by that point. I think I got through the first or second Capaldi episode and just gave up since I didn't particularly like Clara either, even if the girl who plays her is boner inducing.

Maybe I'm alone on this, I actually liked John Hurt as the War Doctor. Would have been better with Eccelston. Could have lived without more Tennant.

He is just a murderhobo though. That's his job.

Well see, that;s not Matt Smith's fault. Smith was a terrific docot with terrrible plot lines. I felt he did a great job of playing someone who is hundreds of years old and is starting to lose touch with everything. Basically Mid-life Crisis doctor. Like the whole I wear___ now, blank is cool." Might as well have been, "I drive a ferrari now, ferraris are cool." I loved it.

I would've liked Clara more if she'd actually, you know, had any sort of character at all. She literally had no characterization whatsoever, other than eye candy. It was pretty depressing.

I want them to make a companion that has actual real character, like Leela, Romana I, Martha, or Donna. Heck, even though SJS spent most of her time screaming or being the damsel in distress, she did actually have decent character depth.

That shit came off as lolrandumb, not that I can blame Smith for that.
Past the first half of his first season I couldn't take the character anymore. Maybe he got better

>liking anything past 7

Why?

Smith grew into the role significantly even during his first season. Ultimately, though, he couldn't transcend the rubbish writing... which isn't really his fault honestly. He's not a brilliant actor, but he's a decent one, and he did a good job all things considered. It would've taken a truly magnificent actor to elevate the role above that garbage, and Smith was just a kid when he got cast.

From what I've seen the older series felt a lot more light hearted and whimsical. It was nice
Also the new doctor who just seems so poorly paced, it just jumps from scene to scene. I think in one episode the doctor just went outside of the universe in the first 2 minutes on purpose than starting flipping about some shit.

Any character who is unironically described with "brooding", "loner", "random", and/or "cool". A character who is a rip-off of an existing character from an inappropriate genre.

That having been said, you can make all those work, especially if you don't mind poking some fun at the character: a "brooding loner" who exists purely as a foil for the rest of the group; or, if the player enjoys ruining the brooding loner's brooding loneliness.

I saw the "silent loner" type done wonderfully, beautifully right exactly once: the character was a spec-ops sniper with a high-tech hood who never took it off, and she only spoke a few times. The group was large (7 people) so that helped in that she didn't really need to carry any socializing, and she took the lead effectively (if laconically) during relevant parts of the game. She also had an absurdly high Stealth and would disappear pretty much whenever anyone wasn't looking directly at her (usually just to scout ahead or pick out good vantage points), and then show up again when we needed her (usually with a headshot).

I think maybe the takeaway here is that you can make those negative traits work as long as you're still helpful to the party AND not pretentious or self-absorbed about said traits.

>From what I've seen the older series felt a lot more light hearted and whimsical
Here I disagree. I think classic who took itself more seriously. Not that there wasn't silliness in it, but it generally treated the plot and setting like they mattered (to the point of often playing things out for 5-10 minutes before the Doctor even showed up) and weren't just there to provide an opportunity for relationship drama or clever moments. Also, classic Who felt a lot more like science fiction--loose science fiction that often seemed like it was written by people who didn't understand (or care about) science, and which felt free to insert fantastical elements, but science fiction nevertheless. New Who is basically magic with sci-fi trappings, and I like that a lot less. It's lazy and ungrounded. Science and physics and so forth, even when loosely interpreted, provide a foundation to build off of and make things meaningful. When you solve a magical problem in a magical situation that you just created by magical means that you just pulled out of your ass, it really doesn't mean anything.

ITT: Doctor Who

A Character who gets stuck in a time loop.

Weeb shit. Holy fuck, unless we're playing L5R anything that has any connection to Japan is outright banned.