Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?

>There are people this uneducated on Veeky Forums that think that Tolkien came up with EVERYTHING

The right answer is actually Nordic & Germanic mythology.

dose gross elves like dem skub

Well then tell us about it.

Not that guy, but if I remember correctly, the dwarves were mutated subterranean elves. Sometimes they were called black elves, but sometimes those were different beings.

Yeah, but why do they hate each other?

Elves and dwarfs were the same kind of creature in Nordic and Germanic mythology, you fucktard.

And Legolas and Gimli were only MILDLY at odds until Lothlorien, in the middle of the first freaking book. After that they become best bros. They ride the same horses for fuck sake. After the War of the Ring, they take each other on trips so that Gimli can learn to appreciate the woodlands and Legolas can learn to appreciate caves. They're fucking gay for each other.

This is fucking stupid

Because the ones that were mutated were gross. I can't remember off the top of my head, so I'll see if I can't dig anything up.

>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?
>what is the real source of animosity?
As a narrative device to make them interesting. An overused one at this point, I might add.

it's fine, you have just become jaded

You having a piss m8? You dare bring your anti-skub lies onto my favorite board?

Dwarves are latent homosexuals confused by how attractive Elven men are and sperg out as a result.

Sorry, I got 'dwarves' mixed up with fa/tg/uys again.

It was fine when Tolkein did it. The jaded feeling comes from seeing every two-bit imitator that comes along think it has to be an element of their setting by default.

Usually, both races have been along for a long time, and they are both quick to offend and slow to forget insults. So yeah, they just keep piling shit on the heap, and never forgive each other.

Because dwarves are all that Fa/tg/uies are (fat, bearded, badly dressed, semi-autistic, uncommunicative, "successful" in a medium that no one recognizes and appreciate, and full of impotent rage) while elves represent what they aren't (fit, social-abled, recognized by their contemporaries, non-specifically beautiful, succesful in non-STEM domains and appreciated for it, and in harmony wit their own sentiments).

Admitting those two ways of life could come together might imply that there is a certain rightness to non-dwarf/tg/ ways, which might involve the recognition of a need to change. Change might as well be a death of the self, and so to live, we have not choice but to HATE what is different to keep us defined as we are.

it has become a main staple of the genre
deal with it

>deal with it
Why?

because it's going to stay. just like the femme fatale employer will remain a part of film noir. you don't like it, you're in tough luck if you think it will fade.

there will be sufficient less clichéd fiction though, so don't worry too much.

Magic is cheating.

Muh craftsmanship.

I would wager that is come from Norse lore even before tolkien.
Dwarves were mostly an evil race and godkillers when they weren't occupied being Odin's slaves while elves where the oppisite though not that much better regarded.

The gym have always been divided into two groups, those who favour cardio and those who prefer gains.

It is a timeless battle across all spectrum's of man.

>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?

The Elders of Human have pitted the two races against each other for eons to weaken both and allow the human race to take over, of course.

that's why both dwarves and elves should unite with the goblins and orcs to drive humans to the wastelands and take their lands from them.

Because if they do not hate each other they will realize how much they care for the other and they are afraid of commitment.

The main source is in the Meta, Dwarves = Jews and Elves = Aryans

>Elves and dwarfs were the same kind of creature in Nordic and Germanic mythology
Are you completely retarded?

Please refer to , and while ignoring .

It's mostly the fact that in Middle Earth, Dwarves and Elves had a loaded history which fueled interracial animosity. Warhammer Fantasy had an equally loaded history between the two races, turnt up to eleven because the Dwarfs are humongously petty manchildren and the (High-)elves are tremendously autistic robots.

Has it a bit messed up:
It starts with the bit that we don't even really know where Dwarves come from mythologically, but Nordic Dverga are often synomyously named with Svartalfar/Dökkalfar.

Anyway, Alfar are generally speaking another mythical people like the gods (Aesir, Vanir) and the giants (which are synonymously called Jotun and Thyrs). Much like those other people, they, too, separate into smaller groups, in this case the Ljosalfar (Light elves) and Dökkalfar/Svartalfar (Dark Elves/Black Elves). The only real difference we can ascertain is that Ljosalfar lived "in the light" and Svartalfar lived underground and each have a realm named after them (Ljosalfheim and Svartalfheim, respectively). I don't know any actual source saying "those two hated eachother and would make up insults referring to the other race because they hated eachother so much". However, Svartalfar/Dverga are described as petty and nasty people, so it's not hard to see for anybody to dislike them. It's also here where they're attributed with great skill at metalcrafting. They weren't above sorcery like modern dwarfs, however.

Fun trivia: It's assumed that "Dwarf" comes from old-aenglisc "Dwarftalfar" which translates to the Nordic "Svartalfar".

Well, I guess I only remembered one thing correctly.

Sorry, fell asleep reading Eddas. Didn't find anything.

You sure it doesn't come from "dweorg"?

>Fun trivia: It's assumed that "Dwarf" comes from old-aenglisc "Dwarftalfar" which translates to the Nordic "Svartalfar".

Uh, no.

Svartalfr literally means "swarthy (dark) elf". There were dark elves who lived deep underground in Svartalfheim, and light elves who lived in the sky in Ljosalfheim. The dark elves were the maggots in the body of Ymir the world-giant; the light elves were the angel-like servants of the goddess Frigga.

Dark elves and Svartalfheim were sometimes conflated with dvergr (dwarves) who lived in Niðavellir or Myrkheim; other writers distinguished them. It's confusing, because dark elves, dwarves, and trolls all seem to share the same origin story and the property of being petrified by sunlight (which eventually carried over into the Celtic version of trolls, trows or drows).

But the word dwarf (from MidE "dwerrow" from OE "dweorg") is cognate with ON dverg and German twerg, and all of them have an Indo-European root which doesn't seem to mean anything else apart from dwarf or goblin. A little creature or demon, basically, *is* the etymology of dwarf. Totally unrelated to "svart", which means "dark".

10,000 years ago, when the Dwarfs and Elves first met, the Elves, disgusted by this un-elfy thing covered in hair shaved the first group of dwarfs to meet them. That ignited the first conflict between Elf and Dwarf, the Beard Wars began and the rest is history.

It's sort of true, they where just spirits all of them, the short and gruff earth spirits that forged and the forest spirits that where just living there, and the mist dancers that sort of looked like homely humans.

Vaguely because of Nordic mythology, but primarily because of Tolkien.

In Nordic myth, Dwarves were basically just ugly monster men, so of course Elves wouldn't like them, basically being not-angels.

The incredibly specific elves/dwarves "our two races will never know peace" is pure tolkien.

>Why are Dwarves and Elves always at odds?
It says they are in the Monster Manual.

Elves remind Dwarves of the beauty and grace of mithril, the most elegant ore.

Dwarves remind elves of the remains of the first growth; the stout trunks of trees a thousand feet tall and a million years gone.

It's a Freud thing, do the math.

They had a nonsexual relationship. I realize that you desperately want to ship everything all of the time, but nobody is buying it.

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aule got impatient and created them before the others

Dammit Gandalf

>Pure Capefantasy shittery inspired by Tolkien but ultimately failed at copying him

ftfy lad

Ok thanks for clearing up famalamclamclam.

It's probably just because they're so different in their typical personalities.
It's like asking why liberals and conservatives don't get along.