>"traditional" games >just a bunch of weens playing rpgs and trading card games invented in the second half of the 20th century >no actual traditional strategy games like Chess, Durak, Go or Liar's Dice that span several centuries
>no actual traditional strategy games like Chess, Durak, Go or Liar's Dice that span several centuries If you can't find a thraed then make it you fucki Oh wait you did. Carry on then.
Owen Cox
>make containment board for warhammer >call it "traditional games" the populus isn't fully to blame here
Thomas Parker
how'd you practics?
Cameron Diaz
I hang out with a GM a lot, mostly I grab tips off of him, but there's a fair amount of just raw playing. I find that endgame study/play is the best for building general strength, but if you want to get your openings good, you should play a couple dozen games of blitz with them, get a feel for the position. Otherwise, avoid playing rapid time settings. Too much blitz makes you stupid.
Carson Perez
We talk about chess all the time, though.
Nolan Roberts
>make containment board for warhammer
This old lie again? You're never going to stop with your "muh warhammer wednesdays" meme, are you?
For one thing, 40k was never banned from /b/.
Secondly, D&D was big in /co/, /v/, and /b/, and there were always scatterings of other games as well on those boards, along with random 40k threads outside of /b/. At some point, moot said "hey, there's these game threads in these boards that aren't comics or video games, maybe I should make a board for them." Hence, why it's called Veeky Forums and not /40k/.
If you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
Ryan Johnson
Mecha aren't banned on /a/ but /m/ is still a containment board.
Veeky Forums exists purely to keep that shit away from other boards so they don't get swamped in 40k maymays and shitposting.
Aiden Watson
>tfw 1750 ELO but you win over grandmaster anyway He was grandmaster in correspondence, we played blitz.
Jason Green
Uh, dude, mecha is way more huge in anime than 40k is in anything else outside of specific wargames.
Any "containment" is an added bonus.
Gavin Bell
>implying chess is a good game
Leo Jenkins
>implying it's not the best
Gavin Clark
My dad has a similar story, he once beat GM Max Dlugy.
Of course, he beat Dlugy when Dlugy was an 8 year old, and said it was one of the toughest games he's ever played, so I don't know if it quite counts....
I have beaten GMs at 5 minute to 2 minute handicaps, but it's a stretch like mad. And I once offered odds to an IM in a case of mistaken identity and got crushed like a bug, if anyone's interested in the story.
Sebastian Ortiz
There are more possible chess games than number of atoms in the observable universe
Oliver Nguyen
>math: the game >the best
Owen Cooper
I am.
also, How much work does it take to become a GM. If you're not born gifted that is.
Julian Reed
Well, I'm friends with a GM named Gennady Sagalchik. When I was in high school, I joined this chess club where he taught at, and when I got out of high school, I still hung around a lot even though I wasn't officially a member anymore, as it was a schoolastic club.
Anyway, one summer I'm helping him run the club championship. Mostly just keeping things organized, getting the scores down, occasiaonlly arbitrating a dispute over touch move or the clocks or something, just management stuff that you get whenever you have a couple of hundred children together.
And it was in between rounds 2 and 3, we were breaking for lunch, and I was having some pizza. And Mr Sagalchik points over to this one old man in the crowd, probably some kid's grandfather, and says
>You should play him at 5:1.
Now, most of the family aren't actual chessplayers, and while I wasn't as good as I am now back then, I was a decently strong player. I thought he meant I should give 5 minutes to him and one minute to myself.
So I go over, do that, get smashed in two games in a row. Turns out the old coot was a retired IM. Mr. Sagalchik wanted me to give 5 minutes to myself and one minute to him. The only reason he accepted the odds is that he thought I was this guy.
We're about the same age and even look a bit alike, and yeah, same club.
>How much work does it take to become a GM. If you're not born gifted that is.
A lot. Like I said, I've hung out with a couple of GMs, and these guys are all much more naturally talented than I am, and these guys were all pulling 8-12 hours a day on their chess games when they were teenagers. Some of that was the soviet system a lot of them grew up in, and it was harder to study back then, before the rise of the internet made chess material so much more accessible. But it takes a lot of work and a lot of practice to get GM level good, and you're probably already gifted to even be in the running.
Levi Nelson
You really have no clue as to how insignificant 40k is, do you? It's not even the biggest game on this board, dwarfed by both D&D and MTG.
Jason Stewart
Back in my day, 40k was a household name and it was harder to find someone who wasn't interested or knew someone who played 40k, and now it is niche as fuck cos games workshop fucked themselves.
Back when Veeky Forums was made, 40k was still a popular as fuck miniatures game. Learn some history, newfriend.
Jordan Allen
What are your thoughts on Go?
Jonathan Young
tic-tac-toe/ noughts and crosses
what is there left to talk about other than 3d edition?
Julian Perez
Not even 3D edition can be talked about since the first player wins with optimal play, proved 30+ years ago.
Brayden Davis
Chess and Go threads happen regularly. Calm down.
Nolan Bennett
>Anyone here that plays actual traditional games? obviously but the rest of us aren't so retarded as to think we have anything to add to centuries old ongoing discourses over said games
Hudson Murphy
Besides chess doesn't have any random chance, making it a lifeless chore of optimization and memorization. There's no excitement to it of spinning the dice and winning on a one to million chance.
Elijah Fisher
There is an infinite amount, but only because two players could just do atupid shit like moving their rooks respectively 1 space forward and then one space backward for as long as they cared to alternate.
Isaiah Murphy
>not playing fairy chess
Christopher Barnes
>no random chance >implying folks accurately guess 100% of the time their foe's exact strategy Have you even played a game of Chess in your life?
Dominic Ortiz
we need a new board to get rid of the rpg faggotry from muh tabletop games
Jayden Morales
Kill yourself. We finally got the quests gone. There's plenty of room for both.
Aiden Jones
>mecha is way more huge in anime than 40k is in anything else outside of specific wargames. It's significantly less huge.
Aiden Ross
>We finally got the quests gone And look what good it did us.
No: we need to remove generals and RPGs. Especially RPG generals. And don't even get me started on that stupid Commander Keen rule.
Leo Sanchez
We even had a good run of Go threads a while back too (admittedly fueled by the whole AlphaGo match with Sedol), but there was plenty of talk about learning Go and getting to grips with strategies. The issue as always is there's a gulf between "plays chess" and "plays chess well enough to talk shit about it on the internet".
Not everyone has the confidence for the latter - usually these threads tend to be the most active when there's a group of people playing, learning, and exchanging strategies, without worry that they'll be shouted out for being a beginner.
William Miller
I love Chess, Manacala and Euchure is the only card game I know. Fight me, desu fampai
Lucas Sanders
I play Chess. I rank at around 1950 on Lichess, which I think is equivalent to around 1700 FIDE rating.
Justin Long
Euchre, the correct spelling in at least my area, is the worst card game there is to play and it is the easiest game to stack the deck for, everyone who plays it is a cheating adolescent looking for an ego boost.
Andrew Perry
There is still no chance. Games with known actors of semi-predictable behavior (as in behavior that can be somewhat simulated/guessed by a set of heuristics) aren't "chance" based.
Meanwhile with a dice or something similar you need to straight up include probability into your calculations to make it all work.
Josiah Jones
Where do you live?
The only way 40k would be considered a household name would be if you were left as a baby on GW's doorstep.
40k was never hugely popular, or even largely popular. Especially if you were to try to compare 40k to something like D&D, which was always more popular, even on Veeky Forums.
Just because you really care about it and are willing to exaggerate its importance doesn't mean any else has to. Miniature games are an expensive and niche hobby as a whole, and 40k is just a further niche in an already small hobby.
Bentley Stewart
The issues with games like Chess or Go on Veeky Forums is they've been discussed to death by people who have a hell of a lot more to actually say about them than the neckbeards on Veeky Forums.
D&D and the like are subjects where we feel we can actually meaningfully contribute. Not that that always happens either, mind you.
Daniel Gonzalez
>Stacking the deck in fucking euchre What sort of gibbering children do you play with?
Daniel Johnson
Anyone here play Hive? It isn't very chess like, but it does give off that impression and is pretty dang fun.
Eli Clark
>durak >strategy game what
Alexander Foster
>People still playing Chess when Chess 2 exists
Chase Collins
>chess >maths I, um.. what?
Colton Brooks
Yeah i know what you mean.
>friend introduces .r >lose 3 times >finally beat him once
>buy it for myself >teach friend >he keeps losing to me >he finally beats me
It begins again.
Cameron Watson
chess is thousands of years old, with hundreds of clubs, centres, and institutions dedicated to its play. there are entire websites dedicated to singular aspects of chess, there are enough books that, even if you only had one copy of each title, you would fill a library. the metagame is so well-developed that you need a lifetime of playing, against other grandmasters, before you can even attempt some kind of new strategy
if we wanted a discussion on chess, we hardly need Veeky Forums's help
it also doesnt simulate real life combat well, and lacks chansaw blades
Isaac Lee
Chess became obsolete when Deep Blue beat Kasparov. Nobody has been able to beat a computer since 2005. It's been gamed and is now defunct.
Magic the Gathering is a superior game in every respect and the most complicated game in human existence. Get with the times.
Andrew Harris
A computer could beat me at a lot of games I play.
Josiah Carter
A friend of mine showed it to me when I was a dumb kid. It was pretty interesting, but I think I'd have liked it more if I was less of a sore loser.
Luis Johnson
>Magic the Gathering is a superior game in every respect and the most complicated game in human existence This is actually the worst thing I've read today. Is this what being triggered feels like? In chess you have to work your way around your opponent's position and outthink them. In Magic you deal 10 infect on turn 2 because you had a godhand and they had no 1 mana removal.
Justin Russell
No, it isn't what being triggered is like. That's just being annoyed by someone saying something stupid. Clearly he's never played actual mahjong.
Benjamin Murphy
I literally have taught this game and proceeded to lose to about three different people. Like, explain what all the pieces do and then lose.
One of those people was like 12.
It is a lot of fun. You do need to get a feel for how long things take.
Michael Martin
It is very much apples and oranges.
Austin Green
Replying to bait with bait is equally stupid.
Nolan Hall
Try playing limited.
It's like chess but there's 300 different pieces with thousands of different interactions between them and you don't know which ones your opponent has or which ones you'll end up using.
Ian Gomez
I've lost too many prereleases to people with bigger bombs than me to care about sealed/limited. I've never pulled a planeswalker at a prerelease. Done about 12-13, never pulled one or got one in a prize pack.
Jace Allen
>makes a shit thread >tries to use niggerisms in the OP
Really makes you think.
Caleb Jenkins
That's because magic has an infinite skill ceiling.
Just practice more and get good.
I'd 3-1/4-0 every pre-release and im pretty average. If luck were auch abig factor players like Kai Budde and Jon Finkel wouldn't be the best there was. There wouldn't be pro players at all if rng determines who won each game.
Granted I will Planeswalkers are pretty dumb and warp limited, especially sealed deck, to a degree but hasbro want those dollarydoos.
Justin Evans
hive (pocket) is the best camping game >no board >nothing to blow away >waterproof
normal hive weighs a fucking ton though.
Landon Butler
Fuck off and die, questfag.
Joshua Nguyen
Never played, don't really have any thoughts on it.
Owen King
Looks like a mutated version of Othello. Speaking of which, who Othello here?
Owen Rodriguez
>usually these threads tend to be the most active when there's a group of people playing, learning, and exchanging strategies, without worry that they'll be shouted out for being a beginner. Which is dumb because its a fucking anonymous board. People should be less concerned with looking good.
Wyatt Brooks
If you haven't yet realized all games are math disguised with a coating of fluff, don't ever be a game designer.
Christopher Miller
>All games are math If you haven't yet realized that all reality is math with a coating of fluff, don't ever post.
Xavier Green
If you look stupid, you're going to derail the thread into everybody making fun of you, and then the whole thread's going to become an argument.
You don't want to derail threads, do you? I don't.
Oliver Watson
>please do this thing you have mostly negative experiences with and do it until you have a relevant sample size. oh, it costs money, too. "no"
Brayden Rivera
No game has an infinite skill ceiling. MtG's ceiling isn't even as high as the ceiling in chess. RNG doesn't determine every game, but it determines an unfortunate number of them. If you took a decent MtG player with a solid knowledge of the game and had them play the #1 best MtG player once a day for 10 years, the #1 player is bound to lose several times due to getting mana screwed or flooded. On the other hand, if you took a 1400-rated chess player and had them play Magnus Carlsen every day for 10 years, Magnus would almost certainly win every game.
Leo Sullivan
I'm pretty sure Brood War has a ceiling so high that no human could physically reach it.
Ayden Kelly
>why user doesn't have GF
Angel Miller
Kek, got me there
Charles Bell
I miss BW golden years. Flash, boxer, bisu, jaedong, GOM TV. Korean casters getting hype, my friend translating
Thomas Brooks
That's different range of skills. For gaming competition participants need both decision making skills and the ability to perform those decisions quickly. Chess and other tabletop games generally don't put that much importance on speed.
Kayden Hall
He's talking about on this board, dude. Seriously, the main reason this board started was so wh40k spammers would have their own place to be. The board was made quite a while ago