The sorceress BBEG transforms herself into a dragoness for a final confrontation with the party

Chances are, despite polymorph effects, they're still a legal, consenting adult recognized by the state/fiefdom/world that they are in. It'd be no different than dying your hair or some other superficial change.

Unless the polymorph changed their mental facilities, then; in which case, they are probably no longer capable of giving consent, and then it'd be sexual abuse.

You'd be within the realms of law, but you'd probably lose some good points with the gods upstairs. And the people next door.

RAW, spell ends at death.

>sorceress
>feeling important to specify gender

Fuck you OP. Vorefags go and stay go.

Unless it's Shapechange.

From my experience the vorefag thing to do would either have the sorceress transform into a dragon and eat the party, or a cute girl somehow swallows the dragon whole. Butchering the monsters you kill and cooking some of the bits isn't really very vore-ish.

Yeah, that's more Dungeon Meshi which I'm pretty sure is what the OP was referring to.

Which if I'm not mistaken has a cast time that would render it a non-option in combat situations.

Ugh, that just makes me think that the body changes back as it's being cooked, which is gross and wrong.

Pretty sure it would be instant.

fuck you fetishfag

>a gigantic beast swallowing humans whole is fetish material
>said humans carving a creature up into gory bits and eating the flesh is perfectly fine

This is one of those examples of how the internet (specifically the chans) makes incredible jumps in logic just for the sake of finding a punching bag. I see vorefags brought up whenever a monster has anything to do with swallowing creatures whole, even though the result is usually just a "you died in their stomach, fade to black" outcome rather than the magical realm paranoia that is so pervasive.

Meanwhile, obvious gorefags relish in the details of what pieces of a monster they slice up, how much blood they spill from their enemies, and what torture methods they'd use against the rare prisoner that they accidentally didn't slaughter. I thought Veeky Forums was better than this. We've already practically lost beastfolk to the speeds who can't get over the "eww, furries" meme, don't say we can never use a core fucking ability of certain monsters just because you're afraid someone other there is getting their rocks off to it.

Most of the time a big monster swallowing a person is obviously not vore, but there is a subset of vore focusing on giants or giant monsters eating people. It's usually pretty obvious to tell the difference, since in the latter case people getting eaten is played for sexy.

Killing an animal, butchering it, and cooking the meat is just what you do when you hunt for food, and while it can be played for sexy, I wouldn't consider it vore. Depending on what you focus on, it'd be some form of hunting porn, cooking porn, food fetishm, etc.

>dragoness
I'd leave before combat begins.

Yep
Because those are the goddamn rules of the spell in most systems. If you want a specific answer that wanks your preconceived 'solution', specify a system that aligns with such.

Idiot.
Thank you.

Yes, also yes

That's cannibalism not vore, get your fetishes right user

Why would you eat a dragon?

>A dragon that turned into a humanoid thus to take their true form
No, yes.

>A Humanoid that turned (permanently(supposedly)) into a dragon
Yes, yes.

>Cannibalism
What if no one in the party are humans?

To gain a measure of its power? You only need the heart for that, though.

Curiosity is often answer enough in such cases

Not cannibalism; the flesh isn't biologically human anymore.

Well, you slew it, didn't you? And that's an awful lot of meat to go to waste.

>if you enslave and sell the dragon as a mount, does it count as slavery or not?
>if you enslave [...] does it count as slavery

Laius is in the party.

The fact you specified sorceress and dragons tells me there is some magical realm shit here.

As far as I'm aware female dragons are usually just referred to as dragons. Use of the word dragoness makes me think you want to specify its a sexy lady dragon.

The eating part just feels like smokescreen for the slavery as a mount, which sounds SUPER magical realm. Turning a sexy dragon lady into your personal steed? I see jerking off under the table you sick fuck.

take away the dragon part and you've got my fetish.[spoiler/]

I'd lube up before combat begins.

And while we're on the topic of vore, I'd also hope to be eaten.

Dragoness is what you call a female dragon though, like a lioness or a tigeress

The eating or the mount?
Also aren't all dragon ladies sexy?

Any of her holes is fine with me

Even the penis?

...Maybe

Dragons are sapient beings. Enslaving sapient beings is slavery. That's the definition.

Also, if she is naturally (demi-)human and only transformed into a dragon to fight you, eating her corpse is cannibalism.

I'm afraid that paladin won't be able to eat the sorceress or keep/sell her as a slave without falling.

So you can make a DC 80 Escape Artist check, right?

Well maybe that's the correct way of saying it, but i just call female lions... Well, lions. Tigers too. Id maybe say "lioness" if the gender was important and in the case of this thread it really isnt. So I think the point stands that the fact he used "dragoness" is a red flag.

well I meant the slavery but I mean, mount sounds pretty hot too. Eating sounds too gory [spoiler/]

>Because those are the goddamn rules of the spell in most systems.

I'd say not offending a dragon is normally pretty important user

Well, if the Paladin and whatever the dragon was before she turned aren't the same race (I'd define it to the second degree; elves eating drow equates to cannibalism, as does elves eating half-elves, but not elves eating humans), it still isn't cannibalism - not that there would be much a point in eating her unless she was a drow or something that eating would bestow an intrinsic, since you'd be eating humanoid meat, not dragon meat.

she shouldn't have turned into a dragon if she didn't want to be eaten

Maleficent turns into a burst of flames in the disney version. The story version- uh- ends... slightly differently.

Fair enough
I wouldn't be fighting a dragoness if I didn't want to be eaten

Explain

DC would be way lower, she's a Huge or possibly up to colossal creature depending on age and species.

So more like DC 15 or 20, assuming ungulate genital proportions.

I'd say that that's not how most systems polymorph spells work, and that it's morally wrong, but the fact that you're even asking tells me you're a group of murderhobos so go nuts

Maleficient vanishes off.
Sleeping Princess is raped by Prince, doesn't wake up.

Princess wakes up in the middle of giving birth to twins.

>she shouldn't have turned into a dragon if she didn't want to be eaten

Or mounted and ridden

Maybe the BBEG was secretly tired of her life and wanted to escape into the carefree life of being someone's steed?

I'm not sure you would even need an escape artist for colossal size

>Or mounted and ridden

Time to put on some Kenny G, chug a few bottles of enlarge person potion and light some candles...

That's a hell of an alarm clock.

Maybe the BBEG sorceress just wants to drop all her responsibility and become a horse for one of the PCs?

I hate this picture because of the tiny hands on the wings

whoever drew it has a very limited understanding of what wings are

Or they made the wings like bat wings

Ahh, but it's not a dragon, it's a sorceress whos going to kill you anyways

How do you even intend on enslaving the dragon sorceress? You got some big ass chains on hand? Like, who the hell comes prepared enough to keep a goddamn dragon safely in check while you travel somewhere else, let alone keep it as a mount. Even if you physically restrain her enough to stop her from being dangerous, shed be a useless mount, or shed probably be able to cast spells

Not to mention, she can probably just end the spell, which would make her easier to enslave, but she'd make a terrible mount

Or would she?

Those wings aren't big enough to support him during flight, or even generate enough lift to get him off the ground
I know..
>Magic
But it still triggers my autism.

Maybe he's leaping not flying?

A bat's wings are still fingers.

Point, I only glanced at the pic and thought you were complaining about any sort of fingers on them

>If I take a sentient creature and make it a slave is it slavery?

> What if it is actually a human being in the BODY of that sentient creature im making into a slave?

OF COURSE ITS FUCKING SLAVERY?! What the fuck else could it possibly be?

What about a non-sapient creature? Like a wolf? Or a barely sapient creature like an owlbear or a tarrasque?

If it's a sorceress turned into said creature, the creatures natural intelligence shouldn't matter. The same way lobotomizing someone doesn't suddenly remove their rights and let you do anything you want to them.

It might not be slavery for a standard wolf, owlbear or tarrasque, but I don't think chaining it up and selling it would generally be considered a morally good thing. In any game I've played, if you wanted a monster mount that didn't hate you or wasn't in constant despair, you'd need to raise it from birth or at the very least be saving it from a worse life, rather than beating the shit out of it.

The way we use the word 'cannibalism' IRL requires that an individual's species is something reasonably fixed. A cow is a cow; that's part of what it is on a basic level, so that's how you know that eating a hamburger isn't cannibalism--you're a human, it's a cow, and those things aren't ambiguous in any way.

So in this case, if the sorceress changed their species to a dragon, maybe not--but no the other hand, if she retained her mind, then you might reasonably consider her still 'human', since her body can change and is no longer how you can tell if she's human. In that case, it's her mind that defines her, with its human psychology and human experiences.

That's not some hippy bullshit either--one of the hallmarks of a cannibal culture is that it gets a lot of brain diseases and prions. In particular, eating a human brain is baaaaad. If the mind/brain is the same regardless of polymorphing, it's reasonable in-setting for some of these same problems to occur from eating polymorphed humans. So...if cannibalism is more about the danger (and horror) of eating flesh from an actual person, the answer would be 'yes', but if prions don't happen and polymorphed dragonflesh is the same as regular dragonflesh, 'no' is also a valid answer. It, as always, depends on your setting. What does it mean to be a human instead of an animal?

So let's just say in my campaign there is an evil sorceress BBEG who likes to turn into things...

How would I be able to stop her from turning back... you know, if I wanted to eat a dragon or enslave her as my mount hypothetically of course.

you can't, polymorph is temporary

This thread has raised my hopes for fucking nothing.

You beat the living shit out of her and chain her up (in human form) then proceed to inflict "learned helplessness" on her and train her to turn into a dragon at your Beck and call. If she tries to do anything sketchy just beat the shit out of her again, since you've already shown you can. Maybe starve her a bit if she misbehaves or reward her when she does well.

I still maintain there should be a permanent version of it
Or some metamagic that makes spells instantaneous

That's gross. Keep it as a pet or something.

>polymorph is temporary
According to whom?

Well in the case of the person he was answering, me, he's right.

Sure the DM can hand wave that, but he can also do whatever the fuck he wants, probably shouldn't rely on it.

As for settings, the guy was asking how he can make it stuck, implying it was temporary anyways

>Alternately, if you enslave and sell the dragon as a mount, does it count as slavery or not?
I'm not sure what setting assumptions werre talking about, but assuming standard D&D, enslaving a dragon would already be slavery, as they're highly intelligent.

Someone getting gored is just brutal and gritty (although it often fails that and becomes edgy) there's nothing inherently sexual about it.
Meanwhile, swallowing a creature whole is something few animals do, describing something like a dragon eating you whole is much more likely done because it strokes an itch.

Mind control?

Baleful polymorph?

Source?

catwithbenefits.tumblr.com/search/sanzo
I don't think that one is part of a series though.

>the sorceress BBEG transforms herself into xeno for a final confrontation with the party
>gets wrecked by them naturally
>party decides to cut up the xeno corpse and sell the precious bits
>also cook up a rousing meal

Is it heresy?

Yes

unless the transformation was a concentration or duration spell, that bitch was a dragon and while I can't condone the eating of dragons, it would certainly be fitting to tear it apart for alchemical and artifact materials. however, if the spell has any expiration and changes back, you're fucked.

if they retain the mentality of a human's intelligence, and are capable of making conscious decisions. then yes, it would be considered slavery to use it as a mount or to force it into any servitude. but, then again it's also capable of consenting so technically it wouldn't count as bestiality when you fuck it right?

...

Who's to say HISS and GRONK aren't just another way to say OUI and JAWOHL?

Well, basically, if it can understand english, and you can understand what *gronk* means, thats fine

But lets assume if it understands english, it's speak in english, and if you understood *hiss* youd speak in that language.

Otherwise, you might as well just fuck everything that moves, because how are you supposed to know if it means something?

Wouldn't she transform back when she dies? Did she cast permanency too?

I thought it was Drakaina.

Although I just say Dragon, specify male or female if needed.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drakaina_(mythology)

In one variant she sleeps through the pregnancy and birth and wakes up when her child ends up sucking the poison sliver out of her finger.

Only if the Cleric is transgendered

It is the same guy who does T-Rex na Kanojo.

In another variant the father is her father.

I don't follow.

It's not vore if the person you're eating is already dead and you cut them into pieces first. That's just regular cannibalism.

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