Does anyone here actually unironically like the Ultramarines?

Its just poster boy hate.

Like if the Imperial Fists were the poster boys then they would have gotten the hate

I've seen a lot of hate for them in particular, both locally and online. Locally, people seem to think painting your 'rines blue is a waste of paint and plastic. They're very uninspiring and dull to view fielded atop a table. I don't know anyone who considers them their favorite chapter and when anyone complains about Space Marines it seems to be the Ultramarines that take most of the blame. Online, around here especially, they seem to be generally disliked to the point where any discussion involving them routinely devolves into shitposting about Matt Ward.

muh old Veeky Forums

Ventris,that dude in the Death Watch, and Titus are pretty good Ultramarines.

but faggots like Cato Scarius and that Scout Sargeant push the line

i dislike both untramarines and 1d4chan

bran is delicious

i'd like them if they were represented in a more Roman way much like how SW should be more Viking than a Yifftown convention. I'm all for personalisation of the chapters, but as it is they just come off a little brother whinging to Dad that brother X is doing something he shouldn't be. O'Goil is just breeding weakness and predictability with the codex.

I do when Matt Ward isn't writing them. They're basically the Captain America of the space marines; not the biggest, or the strongest, or the best, but they define what it means to be Astartes. Other similarities to Cap include a strong tactical accumen when they aren't being too dogmatic with the codex astartes, lots of political power, and a reputation for being even-keeled and fair-minded.

>The Roman astetics really look nice, and I like the color blue.
Seconded.

I liked the old yellow-trim Ultras, and the Greco-Roman stuff is pretty neat too. Anything else I don't really care for.

The reason that people may not like them is due to how "vanilla" their lore is or how much of a mascot chapter they are for GW.

Your telling me one man was the cause of all the hate

Its not like the Ultramarines had special rules or anything they were essentially basic.

You would think Blood Angels or full bike white scars would get more hate

Pre-Heresy Smurfs are pretty cool.

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I do like the Ultras. Especially when they get 'very roman', in the manner of being focused on organization, good rules that make them better, and being not fucking idiots.

There IS a good reason for example to standardize your forces, training regimes, etc. Same with tried and true battle tactics against enemies like Orks, who are what Marines fight 90% of the time anyway.

They shouldn't be basic. They should be flexible and well organized, but not as dramatically heroic as a more disorderly group like the Scars.

Its just old dead memes like the Grey Knights and look what happened

We barely talk about the grey knights anymore

Nobody hated the Crimson Fists when they were the poster boys. That's because they weren't shilled like the smurfs.

my gf loves them, specially Titus. She hates Leandross for betraying him.
I gifted her a collection of novels that have command chain, the night bringer, warriors of ultramar, dead sky and black sun.

She haven't finished most of them though, she likes comics more than novels.

Any good Ultramarine comics?

Shockingly none

Only the Black Templars and Blood Angels have gotten comics.

Dark Angels soon with a beakie MC

>That's because
that's because rogue trader didn't have poster boys

>but they're on the cover
Irrelevant, unless you think the blood angels were the poster boys of 2nd edition, black templars the poster boys of 3rd edition and dark angels the poster boys of 6th/7th editions.

The HH line has defs improved the Ultramarines. It gives them a whole crapton of that "glory of rome" vibe and shows them back when they were doing what they did best - empire building.

Know No Fear and Betrayer also helped a lot. Even when they're losing, the Smurfs still manage to look damn good doing it. Rob punching motherfuckers off the side of his flagship certainly wasn't too bad, either.

God those look fucking awful.

It's funny cause Ultramarines are basically the Caucasians of 40k but you dumb faggots sure aren't self loathing feminist retards, so I don't know why you piss and moan about Ultras when those same complaints often apply to white people.

>muh corporate favoritism
>muh privilege
>muh blandness
>muh I hate that they claim they're the best
>muh boringness

Ultramarines have a HH comic.

Of course user. While not the strongest, fastest, psyker-est or specialist of the original Legions, they stick out as good leaders and executive officers; I like the idea of any Ultramarine crusade being a giant color explosion of dozens of daughter chapters, all brought together by the Ultramarine Captain/FC that requested their participation in the operation.

I like them, they were my space marines when I played. I like them because they are an island of competence and sanity in an sea of stupid that is the imperium.

Pretty much this. The hate got old years ago. They're a good, solid chapter, and I can't even think of any problems people have with their successor chapters, who are often exactly the same. At this point if you dislike them, you're just instinctively feeling old emotions when you see the colorscheme.

Overall you're correct, but haven't you noticed how much GW is pushing the Dark Angels? Lots of new fluff, fairly new rules, putting them on covers and using them as the starter set and the Dark Vengeance kit...

>white people claim they're the best
What? When since the civil rights movement has that ever been acceptable?

Well, you made an effort I guess.

>Ultramarines are basically the Caucasians of 40k but you dumb faggots sure aren't self loathing feminist retards

I like them because they're the most professional Astartes.
White Scars gotta go fast. Dark Angels are totally not heretics who'll leave allies to be screwed if someone whispers "unforgiven" a system away. Blood Angels are blood fetishist berserkers. Space wolves gonna wolf their wolves right in the wolf. Black Templars basically say fuck combined arms, I've got a sword.
The Ultramarines schtick is just being well rounded and well disciplined fighters. The closest thing they have to an unnecessary gimmick is their pseudo-Roman asthetic.
Raven Guard are pretty good too but they kind of over-emphasize a focus on guerilla tactics which seems a little incongruous to the whole Astartes deal.

Blue + Roman doesn't make sense as much as a scheme more like the White scars or something

most people are just sick of hearing about them, or are new and only really know of the really fanwank newer stuff (or worse, theyre reading centurion era bullshit)

It's like millennials saying Aliens is unoriginal or that Star Wars IV was a bland idea (yes I have heard both verbatim, no I'm not sure how I didnt strangle them). These kids have seen these movies referenced a 1,000 times so when Vader tells Luke he's his father it doesn't quite carry the same impact you know.

Same thing with the ultramarines. When ever guy and his dog has something like 3 books written for them and no other chapter has anywhere near that much, people will be salty. If the attention was more spread out amongst all the other species and codexes it wouldnt be near as bad.

I never said it made sense. The two have nothing to do with each other. I just happen to like the color blue, and also like the Roman astetics.

>which I just see as imperial propaganda/Matt ward wanking.

It was Ward drawing inspiration from 2ED when the Space Marine codex was literally named Codex Ultramarines.

What's wrong with Telion?

GW does seem to be pushing the DA a bit.

They're a lot more likable in Know No Fear than they are in the Codexs.

Tertiary here. I like Marneus Calgar because he looks cool.

OG playa

They're a bit vanilla (as is intended I suppose), but I like blue and the Roman style is nice.

Titus is a bro, though I guess Leandros balances that.

I don't remember Veeky Forums having a problem with Ultras before Matt Spiritual Liege Ward got into them.

Something about that chainsword, something about that Chaplin.

Is this alpha ?

Most successor chapters stem from the Ultramarines, so most chapters do consider him their spiritual liege, many chapters following the Codex also have "embraced" roboutes "Spirit" in that sense.

However, certainly not all of them consider him their spiritual liege.

What's not to love about versatile roman legions in space?

Roman Marines are fucking cool, Vanilla Marines are not. I would love the Ultras if they would play up the Space-Rome more often.
Though on the flip-side, you can't have special snowflake marines without a generic baseline.

They were neat back when they were literally ROMANS IN SPEHSS. Quite aside from the memes they have changed since their early iterations (to be fair almost everything in the setting has) and now they're just kinda the generic space marines. Like they do the whole "honour, justice, defenders of the imperium" schtick that like 80% of chapters do. I don't hate them, just prefer when they had a little more distinct flavour than they do now, that's all

I wouldn´t want to play them cause there are more interesting chapter. There is nothing wrong them though...kind of vanilla meets mary sue but thats itl.

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Does anyone unironically like anything about 40k these days?

Ultramarines are a good chapter. They may be "generic", but they still have their own style.

Ultramarine hate came from them being featured absolutely everywhere, being the most popular army for little kids, and then after the veteran players all paint up different chapters instead, Mat Ward writes his infamous "spiritual liege" passage in the 5th edition codex.

Right now in 7th, Ultramarines actually seem less wanked than Imperial Fists, White Scars and Iron Hands. All they get is a bunch of special characters, only a couple of which are playable, while other First Founding Chapters get unique force organization, warlord traits, and relics.

The generic baseline should be Hammers of Dorn