The MArines Malevolent, a Chapter of acidic asshats who giggle at the word genocide... ir so we've been led to believe.
Something about this little fluffed chapter has always intrigued me, after all what other loyalist chapter is so blatantly cruel and vicious? Not even the Wolves in their executioner days were like this.
But why? Of course you could argue Grimdark but... it isn't so much grimdark as it is oddly placed. After all, one is not born a callous asshat its something learned.
So, lets do something about it. This chapter is neglected and has been largely relegated to 'Asshole Loyalists who are completely iredeemable' but that seems lame and uncreative to me
Why are they thiss way? Is it a part of chapter cult? A quirk in the Geneseed? The result of some terrible and traumatic event in the past? And, what type of chapter are they? Codex compliant or not? Fleet or planet based? Why do they have out of date armour and weapons?
For those uninformed, here is a summary of canon fluff for the Marines malevolent
>Bombed a refugee camp because Orks were in the perimeter on Armaggedon >Two companies we have met have been complete assholes, disdaining any sign of weakness including the dead and wounded >Have a feud with the Salamanders for obvious reasons >Have outdated gear, using largely Corvus pattern armour and outdated bolters as well >desperate enough to plunder a derelict Forge ship >One named character- Captain Vinyar(Lord douche)
Alexander Flores
First of all I think it should be said that "Marines Malevolent" is a moniker from OUTSIDE the chapter, given by bleeding hearts like the Salamanders and jealous weaklings in the guard.
The true name of the chapter is FAR more praiseworthy.
It is: ...
David Bennett
It should be established now: we're not going to try to redeem these asshats, are we? I think it would be more reasonable to have them start out at, say, Minotaur-level dickishness, and then through a mixture of bad decisions and outside forces be reduced to the piss-armored jackasses they are now.
I say that the WHOLE chapter exclusively draws from the finest specimens of Civilized-world middle schools.
Kayden Torres
Of course not. Redemption is pointless. Maybe making them more thaan JUST Asshats, give reason to their dickishness
Thunder Marines? Lightning Warriors?
Easton Stewart
Aren't these guy shown in ultramarines novel.
Where even the captain is a fucking prick.
Thomas Evans
The entire chapter is recruited from /b/.
Christopher Parker
Lets start with basics.
Who's their Progenitor? Do we even know who or are they unsure themselves?
Ian Jenkins
ITT: Buttblasted Melanated Lizards and Refugee Militiamen
Nicholas Lewis
Marines Malefic? Immolators? Angels vindictive?
Come on, if e go this angle then lets get more suggestions... though a new name seems a bit counter intuitive hoestly and what they have is alright if a bit o the nose
Jeremiah Green
You appear to be missing the point. The M and Ms are intentionally written as douchebags. If you try and take that away from them, you're diluting the core concept. They're the inverse of the Lamenters. Instead of fucking themselves over by being too nice, they fuck themselves over by being too mean.
If you want a more moderate but still asshole-y chapter, the Red Talons work just fine.
Easton Hughes
Maybe they were a test chapter to increase aggression, similar to the Minotaurs, but they were deemed failures as their gene-seed made them in-compliant, but rather than waste the development they stuffed the gene-seed into a bunch of fucks nobody would miss anyways and sent them on a crusade.
They've always been issues shit equipment, even before they pissed off the Mechanicus, because they were never intended to survive long by the High Lords.
Charles Bennett
Of course, they fucked up the "they'll die off eventually" plan by being colossal assholes, and taking every opportunity to dick over anyone and anything that might get in their way. Looking out for # 1 appears to be a chapter specialty.
Camden Lopez
They're JUST selfish enough to keep themselves going despite nobody having their backs, but also just selfish enough to ensure everyone fucking hates them with no exceptions.
The big question is why haven't they fallen to Chaos? Their promotional system works the same as the Dark Eldar, and they have no regard for human life, but why are they still loyal? Perfection of Humanity cult?
Samuel Diaz
I unironically like them for being the paragons of dickishness in a sea of super powered heroes. Not even the Minotaurs are as dickish as these guys.
Also, is the helmet stripe part of their color scheme, or no?
Ian Hall
I like this idea, but how long have they been around? Are they still young or have they REALLY defied the odds? Also, how has their cult evolved? Sure they're still assholes but how have they changed?
No, I say they still see themselves as loyal maybe even selfishly as the best since they have managed to survive so long without support really
I also unironically like them, but we wanna make them more interesting while maintaining their status as massive dick heads, and no its for rank denotation as a sergeant
Leo Kelly
>We're jerks but not Evil jerks, you retard! >Now gimme that bolter, and the lunch you had your serfs make for you!
Jason Price
They have perfect regard for human life: just not humans who are in their line of fire. They won't cross the street to murder a random civilian, but their combat doctrine has a lot in common with Russian anti-terrorist practices. "The hostages are dead anyway, might as well just blow up the whole building."
Thomas Morales
Well they've been around since M32
Mason Adams
Fuck they have been around awhile despite being universally disliked or hated
We are some tough bastards give em that. Also, quick question... are we at chapter strenght? The most we've ever seen is two companies and they don't exactly get supported well... also how exactly did we piss off the mechanicus?
Parker Reed
I imagine below full strength. I'd guess they abduct massive amounts of Imperial citizens and just have them kill each other until they get their rocks off, then turn who's left into marines.
They do this on a MASSIVE scale, with no real regard as to whether or not they genuinely believe the people will make good marines. As long as they take their lumps in the fight-pit and don't die during the surgery - they're in.
Joseph Ortiz
>how did we piss off the mechanics? Grotesque misuse and disregard for the wellbeing of holy relics and other shit like that. Look, if they don't want you to set off a chain of void grenades directly under the necron front line, then they should have said something when we were burying them, not just screeched that damn binary shit.
Justin Gray
I like it, but lets not get them that close to Chaos. They don't murder cause it 'gets their rocks off' they just have utter disdain for anyone they consder weak, even members of their own chapter.
The Pit is to make sure that the weak can't become Marines, for they do not even deserve life let alone the honour of joining their number
Makes sense. I be we don't have many Tech marines and the ones we do have are complete assholes to the mechanicus, probably big on minor tech heresies
Now, for a big question. Aside from the inncreased aggresion, why do we despise weakness so? Where did this come from? I legitimately think we are the only chapter that sees the dead, even our own dead, as weak, as failures universally. Why is that?
Dominic King
Massive inferiority complex. We have to belittle everyone else to make ourselves feel better, and we despise our own dead because the fact that they died pokes holes in our self esteem.
David Bailey
I think it goes a bit deeper, like think for a moment, if we go with , which I think we totally should, we are literally failures from birth. That's gotta fuck with you. Perhaps we've become obseessed with strength and victory, beleiving that failure, death and even injury as signs of weakness to be shunned and disdained rather than honoured or remembered.
We have bee trying to make up for the failure we commited before our very birth, and now commit atrocities to cover up our ultimate shame.
That we have already failed, before we even had a chance
Leo Garcia
this sounds good might explain why they shelled that camp
Christopher Campbell
I agree, it makes their rampant murdering make sense and remain loyal rather than get all weird and chaos like.
SO, are we going with them being a fleet based chapter based off of and ?
Certainly makes sense to me
Austin Torres
Yea I think these guys would have want to be mobile because they probably wouldn't be welcome for too long.
Also I think pragmatism should be a factor in how they do things they've been around long enough they might have come to the realization" This galaxy is dangerous and we'll never know what we might face so we need to use what's necessary to win" but they don't go down the chaos slope.
Jaxson Nelson
Exactly, they may have become a bit cruel or callous along the way, but int the end everything they do is still to support either the Imperium or themselves.
So, are we going to be the only chapter with skill in artillery since we use whirlwinds? What else could oour chapter speciality be?How would we make Artillery a big part of our chapter if we roll with it?
Angel Russell
They're pragmatic, but they also CONSTANTLY need to prove how much better they are than everyone else. So they need to stay mobile so they don't get their asses kicked in one place.
I think specialty should be artillery for sure. If we were less concerned for our own hides we'd be CQC, but since we don't like risking our own necks and have no regard for our allies we'll just shell everything to rubble.
Ayden Martin
Also, an interesting quuuestion, how do we view Dreadnoughts? They are Marines who were to greviously injured to carry on, but too stubborn to die. Seeing as both injury and death are seen as weakness, do we consider our dreadnoughts differently from other chapters? What do we call them, if anything different?
Parker Lee
i imagine dreadnaught marines actually arn't hated since they are literally the representation of what the chapter itself stands for, being stubborn as shit and refusing to die. i imagine dreads are actually revered because the successfully escaped being failures and are an inspiration to the rest of them as to how to git gud if you get fucked.
Aaron Butler
I just got an idea but it's full on tinfoil hat. >yellow/black hazard stripes >Makes use of whirlwinds despite being under equipped and fleet based >Callous disregard for human life >Focused only on an efficient victory
Could the Marine Malevolent be Iron Warriors/from IW geneseed? Not in the sense of the autistic weapon smith Iron Warriors but the guys in the trenches for years only to be packed up and shipped to the next siege Iron Warriors.
Jaxson Campbell
WOrkss for me, perhaps venerated even more than other chapters revere their dreads.
So, we obviously like whirlwinds, and anything that could pulverize buildings into Rubble. Nice. What named characters should we have aside from Captain Vinyar?
Leo Sullivan
what's their backup if the artillery fails them
Blake Gutierrez
overwhelming firepower at mid to close range. If the enemy hides amongst the rubble, root him out and finish the job, show them why they are the weak
Sorry about the name, in another thread Iwas, forgot to change back
Adam Wood
Maaaaayyybbeeeee. We could do it, but Ihonestly think its better leaving their progenitor in the shadows. Thread?
Nolan Gutierrez
What if dreadnoughts are not just respected, but somewhat feared? Because ending up in a dreadnought implied that the Marines COULDN'T leave their battle-brother for dead when he was felled.
>bolter trained on squad >you're going to drag me back to the apothecary, or so help me I'll put a bullet in every last one of you
Zachary Lee
Thats actually pretty good. For one reason or another those interred in dreadnought were not left to die, implying their squad mates feared their strength more than the enemies. The most hardass of hardasses are the only ones scary enough to get interred. Males Malevolent dreads all the more scary.
By the way, what should our war cry be?
Carson Moore
sounds good
Josiah Brown
"Fear us, weaklings"? Or something similar?
Oliver Evans
I kinda want them to be RT-era space marines: all of them drawn from prisons and punitive regiments, the kind of marines who write "born 2 kill" and "eat plasma" on their armors and collect earlobes.
Chase Evans
I know in-lore they're supposed to be like mustard-yellow and black, but I really like some paint schemes I've seen of them where it's like a pure yellow and black. It just looks so stark and eye watering. It kind of reminds me of the same yellow you'd see on specialist gym clothes, highlighters, or safety equipment.
Luis Russell
They usually have Corvus armors so that works
Also have you checked out their names? >Vinyar >Lorkar >Nemiok That sounds a lot like IW names.
wouldn't be surprising if the chapter's founders were loyalist IWs (if such a thing exists).
Justin Turner
user, most of the famous IW characters are loyalists.
Kyr Vhalen, Dantioch, Mole Man[/spoiler] not actually his name, as he doesn't have one, but he explodes all his base when everyone but him is dead, and survives thanks to his terminator armor.[/spoiler], Auric Saxton, and a few others, iirc.
Heck, Dantioch founded the Silver Skulls. Or something like that. It's either his geneseed, or his men who founded the chapter, as he died before the Codex was written, though was good friends with Guilliman.
Andrew Hernandez
Shoot, I'm tired and can't into spoilers.
Oliver Ward
Being descended from Loyalist IW or at least IW Gene seed sounds fine to me, however I obviously think the Malevolent shouldn't know that
It would make sense for them to recruit from massive prisons on worlds they visit. Maybe even squad structure is sort of gang like? We obviously shouldn't go too far but it sounds fine to me as long as we don't go overboard witht he prison culture
Wyatt Cook
Also, seeing as we decided they are currently under chapter strength, how far under? Are they at half a chapter? Three fourths? Are they an endangered chapter?
Brody Roberts
>a test chapter to increase aggression Problem is that it brings up the question of why the Imperium would try that a second time.
Austin Thomas
They're hardasses for sure, and I think some of their prison-recruitment culture will show through, but not TOO much because they wouldn't want to be seen as "low-grade scum".
They'd keep the parts of gang culture that are scary and intimidating, while removing the more pointless aspects.
Also I think the chapter should make heavy use of devastators, to mark their propensity for wanton destruction and longer-range firepower, as well as to show off how many new marines they burn through at any given time.
Mason Hernandez
They did it several times, they just want to find one that works.
Jordan Nguyen
Yea, I'm a bit to middle class to know the more initimidating parts of gang culture, so who can help me out wiht this?
And lots of devastators makes sense yea, especially with their focus on Artillery and general devastation
Michael Watson
3/4 they are pragmatic so they know they cant let the numbers drop to low that wasn't a test of the combat effectiveness of aggression that was angron being a rageaholic
Parker Lee
I dunno I mostly just think it'd be fitting for them to write crude threats in low-gothic on their armors.
Wyatt Cox
That certainly works
3/4 it is
NOW, anyone have ideas for named characters, relics, writefagging or anything else? Lets keep the fluff rolling
Levi Lopez
Going by the names we got, we need kinda guttural names with "r" in them. Like, Mariek, Konnar, Alganord...
Charles Nguyen
This is a good thread. I love fleshing out chapters in need of a fleshing out.
The Marines Malevolent only ever send those they think aren't mean enough to the Deathwatch. So everyone in the Deathwatch expects the guy to be anhuge dick, when in reality he's almost as nice as a Salamander, if not as nice. Only reason he's there is because they couldn't just send him on a suicide mission.
Hunter Carter
maybe 'nearly as nice as a salamander is a bit much. I mean, your surounded by assholes, proably from prison, and your first trial was a fight to the death.
But, certainly not as assholey as the rest of the Malevolent I suppose.
I like Konnar, who was Konnar thread? What Kind of Marine was he? What rank?
Luis Walker
Konnar was an Assault Marine sergeant and he like his chainsword he did. He was a simple man who knew his purpose in life. To look out for his own hide, following that, his brother's hides, and to slay xeno and traitor scum.
Leo Bennett
He can be the chapter master. It's a pun. Konnar sounds like "Connard" which is French for "asshole" (like, a person, not the body part). Which reminds me there's a canon MM named "Rennard" so you could take the pun a step further and spell "Konnard" instead
Ian Young
Between these I think its good to establish chapter master? We can use the Assault Marine idea for another character.
So, Konnard is the Chapter Master. Whats he done? What's he like? (Other than King douchebag)
Joseph Martinez
What we started with in lore >they have outdated gear >they're assholes >they're an old chapter >klingon promotions
What we added so far >they're the abortion-survivor of chapters >massive inferiority-superiority complex >devastators >artillery and bombardment >fight pits >RT punk-ass beakies >massive mortality rates at all levels
Jordan Bell
Well he's bald, half his face is a scarred mess, he's got a big chainsword called Ultima Ratio, and he likes making examples.
Xavier Cook
Rumored to have assassinated the previous chapter master by sabotaging his grenades?
Jaxon Lee
Do these guys even bother with scouts? If they make heavy use of artillary they need people to spot for them or just get the IG to do it and shell them and everyone around them.
Also, going with the gang theme aside from scripts and "purity seals" with high gothic versions of suck dick and fuck you maybe they have elaborate prison style tattoos? A crossed tear for killing the old seargent and taking his place? Russian gang tattoos would be an interesting thing to use for them.
Evan Campbell
Nah. He's a dick, but he's a dick to anyone who's not a part of the gang, ya dig?
Caleb Perry
They just have one marine climb nearby tree or hill, see general area where enemies are and shell fuck out of it.
Thomas Anderson
Well good start, certainly sound like a complete dick. However, he can't make too many examples of his brothers lest their pragmatism go to far towards cruelty.
Bet he kills a shit ton of recruits tho
I like that alot, low cunnning mixed with pragmatism and cruelty
I think They don't have scouts. I say there's the pit fight, then they are literally jumped in by their new brothers, who basically break all their bones befor turning them into marines. It ;l;ets them have high recruitment speed and high mortality rates/
Gangs aren't always happy. What if the Chap mast was considered a softy traitor, and Konnar did what the rest of the first company or whatever wanted?
Connor Nguyen
>high gothic no, Low Gothic. Judging from their canon names, they don't even bother to give their recruits a High Gothic name like codex-compliant chapters do. >tats yeah, RT marines had that sort of shit. but it's not like they expose their bodies all the time so keep it subtle.
Christian Peterson
Or he's just an oppourtunistic dick, evenn among the Marines MAlevolents standards
Landon Rogers
The fluff makes it pretty clear that they don't believe in surgical strikes.
Send a couple of servo-skulls, roughly triangulate the coordinates of the bad guys, and apply overwhelming firepower; It's like when you're in middle school and you gotta glue a sheet into your notebooks: you do the edges first, and then you just scribble in the middle with your glue stick.
Henry Rivera
The tats arn't for anyone else, fuck their shit right? Your tats are your badge of office and power amongst the other marines.
Also, who else is in their ranks? Do they have Chaplains? Librarians? Tech Marines?
Charles Phillips
The canon says they hate librarians. Black Templars don't have librarians so it's not like they need to have some.
Luis Martin
I'd say they have all the standard specialists, but they're... different.
Tech marines are probably border hereteks. Get real rough witht he tech to keep it running and irreverent, bullying the machine spirits into working.
Chaplains should be like, enforcers. Big,, mean dudes even by their stadards who keep guys in line, dole out lumps and fuck shit up. Plus, they give the tats.
Librarians... any ideas for them guys? I think we could get interesting but Idon't know how
Christopher Powell
Probably don't have librarians, too inefficient and they all fall to chaos far too easily given the Marine's culture and tactics.
Jeremiah Flores
Marines Malevolent fucking hate their Librarians.
More than likely out of some kind of jealousy because they have an objective tactical advantage Marines Malevolent 'normies' can't quite match, and the chapter is big on just utter dominating strength. Librarians are viewed with equal parts suspicion and fear, not because they're psykers but because of what being a psyker means in practical terms.
Zachary Johnson
SO, lets have a quick vote.
Do we have librarians or no?
Justin Brooks
canon: one of their main attack ships is called the Purgatory
Joshua Lopez
Sounds like we are hitting things right on the nose thread
Oliver Gonzalez
I say no they only need navigators and astropaths, and those are easier to keep in check.
Henry Cooper
I'd say they do have Librarians. They don't hate them though, they just think that theirs are better than all others because they are Marines Malevolent, and all others aren't. Therefore they suck.
Plus, Librarians are your go-to guys when dealing with matters of Chaos and Corruption. They're a pragmatic chapter and know that you need these guys for that sort of stuff.
Jackson Hall
>you need these guys for that sort of stuff. the black templars disagree
Mason Harris
I like the Marines Malevolent but only because a chapter full of bullies brings me one step closer to a chapter full of Bancho Delinquents
Noah Richardson
The Black Templars were founded by an autist with a sword fetish that Dorn himself disowned for being cowardly.
Jonathan Flores
>Black Templars don't like Librarians
A-user I...
I'm... i'm not sure how to tell you...
what they did...
Josiah Powell
What are you telling me? Surely not?
John Jenkins
That's what the Sons of Horus are. They're the "80s asshole barbarian/punk" legion, which includes banchou.
Xavier Lewis
I bet you didn't even know that they've never had more than 1300 men at their highest.
No, I am not lying.
No, this is not an in-universe lie.
Yes, this is a retcon.
Charles Roberts
BT's were retconned last edition to be just barely above chapter strength, codex compliant, and they field librarians
Ethan Cooper
...
Camden Moore
...
Nolan Nelson
Soooooooooooooo Librarians or no?
Logan Collins
stop typing like a tumblr slut
Aiden Peterson
Yes.
Jayden Sanchez
Yes Librarians.
Benjamin King
Sound sLike Librarians are in. Lets decide how they are different from other Chapters Librarians, if they are different
Nolan Hughes
>fucking hated and feared >"Dude's a psyker, he could turn us inside-out if he wanted to" >"Dude instagib'd an Ork Warboss" >"Fucker's probably got daemons in his head we don't know about" >"Least he's on our side"
Jaxon Allen
Also, OP's put for the night. keep the thread alive, be back in a few hours
Juan Watson
Instant boss position. He's above the normie marines, so he's auto-respected. Got that mind-fire and lighting, man! That stuff's scary.