/scg/ - Scion General Thread

I would have been happy with the just reprinting it with an errata on UO or something. I am a little confused as to why even make Origins. That being said I threw $100 at the kickstarter.

The archive isn't Veeky Forums, so my fancy settings don't carry over.
The archive also isn't in Tomorrow theme. Although come to think of it I've never tried to change settings on the Archive pages.
Then again there are like three different archives.

UO? Also, the problems are really far too extensive for an errata.
Origins is probably to expand the line to make it more like WoD's set up.
Part of why they made Storypath after all is that they want a back up plan if Paradox ever takes away the Chronicles or 20th Anniversary or Exalted licenses.

Also wow, 100$ is a lot of money.

>The archive isn't Veeky Forums
>Then again there are like three different archives.
Oh, you're talking about external archives?

boards.Veeky Forums.org/tg/archive
It only goes back 7 days though.

I was saving up for a bit, and UO means untouchable opponent, possibly the most broken knack in the game.

I always wondered what there relationship was with Paradox after they bought out WW from CCP.

I didn't even know you could get to those archives directly. I thought you had to be linked to a thread. I don't think of "this post is archived" as being "the archives". Though I guess it is.

Licenser and licensee, essentially.

It is probably because it is a preview and thus incomplete, but I'm not quire sure how weapons and armor work. They just add tags to your attack/armor?

Fuck if they make it like FATE I will be so buttblasted Angry Marines will tell me to calm the fuck down!

>We can, so long as it doesn't turn into "we were lied to!" whining.
A: A Scion general is a perfectly appropriate place to point out that OPP are being dicks strong-arming the majority of their scion customers into buying a book they didn't want, didn't ask for purely for the core rules, despite having no interest in the game surrounding it. Though I wouldn't call it a lie as much as a bald-faced betrayal that they know the fans will put up with, a-la Games-Workshoop. They're not hiding what they're doing, they're just doing something the fans explicitly asked them not to do, because they know they can, and it will make them more money. It's less of a con, and more of bullying the fanbase into submission.

B: There shouldn't be any qualifiers about talking about Scion in a Scion General

C: It's perfectly possible to discuss 1e without talking about how much you hate what Origins represents... I'm choosing not to, but it's perfectly possible.

I'm totally down for that, because I was actually thinking about running a sort of "1.5 edition" Ragnarok for my players to get in the groove for the 2e sequel campaign to our old one that I promised them back when 2e was announced. I was mostly wondering if anyone else around had run Ragnarok and whether it was any good or not.

I have the same question.

>I'm choosing not to, but it's perfectly possible.
Then that's just trolling and shitposting.
Everything you're saying is bullshit that applies primarily to you, not to "a majority of their customers".
Go complain to that OnyxPathLies twitter account.

1.5 in what way?

>I guess it's up to me edition.

I was figuring we were going to wait for further KS updates or spoilers really. Last thread was dead without something new to discuss or argue over

We could argue over what goddess is a better waifu. I say The Morrigan is best waifu!

I actually do have to go with Inari, as someone pointed out in the last thread. Touch fluffy tail nine times.
Plus, if my understanding of furries is right, foxes are total cocksluts.

>Plus, if my understanding of furries is right, foxes are total cocksluts.

Foxes, rabbits, mice, minks...skunks, if you're into anal. At least in my experience.

From living regretfully with a lot of furries in my life that is true.

Mostly 1e with a few additions from what of 2e we know so far. Right now, I've got this as a list of house-rules and additions.

- Epics just give their dot bonus instead of the Fibonacci sequence scaling they have normally.
- Likewise, Arete and Geass have the same scaling.
- General Purview Boons can be purchased in any order within their tier, for a flat rate.
- Norse scions can choose a new Wyrd PSP that I'm writing up, or Jotunblut if they really want it for whatever reason.
- Fire has access to the new Heavenly Flame boon at Hero.
- Boons that only work with a specified weapon type (like Flamin' Bullets) can be applied to whatever weapon type the character prefers.
- Better scaling on followers/creatures, as to not become completely worthless in Act II.
- Perception to damage on guns
- Introducing Paths, less as a mechanical thing, and more to get the group acquainted with that aspect of chargen.

I'll probably end up thinking of more/compiling a full list in the morning, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head at 1 in the morning.

I'd hold off trying to pull that off till we have the final PDFs.

Why is it THE Morrigan and THE Dagda. Like, is that their title?

Its both there names and titles, as The Morrigan means "The Phantom Queen", its an Irish thing.

This is how I Scion of Thor.
Mythologically accurate.

But at that point he could just run 2e.

GO BACK TO /d/! REEEEEEE!

Weapons are a collection of tags which have mechanical consequence, particularly fine or magic ones can provide enhancement bonuses or knacks. Playtest user here, etc.

Oh boy here we go

That's not even porn.

How to troll /pol/'s Norse neopagan brigade: the picture.

Probably almost as good at the job as the example Scion of Loki in the preview of the book.

Which one?

>But at that point he could just run 2e.
There are a number of things that 1e has to offer, that 2e doesn't, but that a 1e-fix informed by 2e could have.

It's kind of like D&D editions, other than 3.PF, each one offers something fundamentally different, and the existence/release of a new one doesn't mean there's "no reason to play the old one."

I can see a number of reasons, both mechanical and story-type-wise why someone would want a 1e-fix that uses 2e over 2e.

The Arabic "refugee" who's pretty much every negative stereotype about them, short of actively building bombs or raping white women.

wut.
He's former doctor from [probably] Iraq who finally escaped the dictatorship he grew up in only to end up as a taxi driver in a bad neighborhood who keeps his head down.

Still waiting on my Exalted 3rd Edition physical copy from the Kickstarter I backed in 2013.

Onyx Path's handling of that honestly lost my confidence in them as a company when it comes to this kind of thing.

>We can, so long as it doesn't turn into "we were lied to!" whining.
Yeah, only opinions you agree with should be allowed on the thread! That's how intelligent discussions form!

I believe most of that was Holden and his partner in crime's fault. Rich did chew them out several times but they never shaped up from what I have been able to glean.

>military-aged male
>they're totally doctors and engineers, not terrorists, goyim!
>taxi driver
>not actually a refugee

Seriously, he's a walking stereotype.

Titles. If they ever had names, no one remembers them anymore except maybe Danu and Manannan simply because they're older.

You're right, I'm sorry. Clearly intelligent discussion forms from repeating the same asinine untrue statement no one wants to hear over and over again

Don't most people already have theirs?

user, go back to /pol/

No. Only people with physical copies are those who purchased the print-to-order version. The deluxe Kickstarter hardcovers are still a work in progress.

Aspel, are you seriously fucking defending Holden and Morke?

>guess it's up to me edition.
no. It's not "up to" anybody because we hate this shitty game and everyone that plays it.

Hmm, based on this preview I think I'll pass on Scion 2E(and by extension Aeon/Trinity 2E, I guess).

>Don't most people already have theirs?
In what world is this not a simple question? I'm sorry that I don't know the details of a Kickstarter for a game I don't play.

I can't tell wether the newest Norse Scion being an ethnic arab is just OPP's general diversity push, or an attempt at metacommentary about current scandinavia.

Oh, more fiction. It HAS been a couple of days or so since we've been reminded about lesbians, after all. We'd have just forgotten otherwise.

No one is forcing you to play it. But clearly other people don't feel the same way.

Oh, yeah, I'm totes certain that OPP felt like making a jab "we'll have a Scandanavian go to the Middle East and fuck the Muslims, it's like what people think Muslims are doing, we're so clever!"

Weren't all the official Aesir scions in first edition Americans? Hell, wasn't something like 90% of the official scions in 1e from the US?

The 3 "DLC" Pantheons(Tuatha, Devas, Celestial Bureaucracy) each had one of their 2 example Scions hail from from the people and places that they were historically connected to.

When they said 'American Gods' was a big inspiration for Scion, they *really* emphasized the American part of it.

With the exception of the example scions in God, all the Aesir, Aztlanti, Dodecathon, Loa, and Pesedjet iconic scions were americans. No idea why the Amatsukami were the only pantheon to actually have scions from their associated nation.

>No idea why the Amatsukami were the only pantheon to actually have scions from their associated nation.

...did David Hill work on Scion by any chance?

IIRC, Yukiko was never stated to be actually Japanese, just ethnically. She could've been Japanese-American.

Also, the Loa iconic was from New Orleans. That's as close to the "Loa Homeland" as you can get, unless you say they're the same thing as the Yoruba pantheon.

If Yukiko's bit in God's intro fiction is to be believed, then she's Japanese in both ethnicity and nationality.

>mean that this is a COMPLETELY different game
Well I would fucking hope so. Scion was one of the worst designed games I've ever played. It had some of the most frustrating and broken mechanics I've ever seen in an rpg. The first thing I would do if I was remaking that would be to scrap the entire system and start over with something totally different.

>a bunch of complaints were raised about different aspects of the game, from changes in the metaplot, to rules changes, to design choices about the books

>but it's all one guy, maybe two, just whining because they don't know anything

Jesus fuck, user. I didn't agree with half of the complaints, but one reason why the threads were such skub was because you (or people like you, I can acknowledge that there's probably multiple people with similar opinions) were dismissive as fuck, and that made them more angry than the game itself

That's Aspel for you. Even when they're right, they're obnoxious. They also love bringing up old arguments and baiting, more than they love actually playing games.

Im still confused about whats going on. I've heard of Scion before, but never checked it out. Whats wrong with this origins book? Is it cause they're printing two core books??

I don't get how you can tell Aspel apart from other argumentative shitposters.

Every book kickstarted under different lines and developers has been funded and finished in a reasonably timely manner. Exalted's devs made that into a shit show.

Tbh I wouldn't put it past Loki to create the Immigrant crisis and fuck up northern Europe just to fuck with the other Aesir.

Its neither, its an attempt to demonstrate a Scion from a culture and ethnic group not associated with his parent pantheon to demonstrate how gods can get around in the world. And honestly it may be a meta joke about the Scandanavian immigration.

>implying any scandinavian willingly travels to halal land without great need or claiming to be germans

Aspel you numbnuts, he's talking about the issues the scandinavian countries have been having with integrating people and refugees from the Middle East, syrians being just the latest, for the past four decades.

Amaterasu is objectively best.

And Rich T's unwillingness to actually take them to fucking task reflects poorly on OPP as a whole.

Honestly I cannot figure out how those two have jobs still. Even if you don't like a game (like Beast) I can't deny that the bulk of the company chugs along like an actual company. What the fuck did the Hamsterwheel do to get this kind of preferential treatment, suck his dick and give him a few kilos of the finest Colombian cocaine as a gift?

*If*, and that's a big if, it was meta-joke about scandinavian immigration, then being written by americans that's an big case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Speaking of, the last scion blurb was on fate, and they said that they would have more heavy spoilers after gen con. There hasn't been anything since then has there?

>“I’m Japanese,” Black Water corrected icily. “And I’m no Monkey Princess. My father is Susano-o.”

>“Oh that old character!” Coyote said with new enthusiasm. “How’s he doing anyway? I haven’t seen him since the camps in the ’40s. I keep a picture of him here on my windowsill, if you want to see it.”

>Coyote casually headed for the window, and Black Water stepped in front of him. There were no pictures on the sill.

>“Hm,” Coyote said. “You’re a sharp one. Okay, I get that. But what’s a child of Susano-o doing running errands for old Monkey, I wonder? Some sort of Nanking-reparations deal? I understand your daddy has a lot to answer for the day your ancestors showed up there.”

How can one god be so based?

It's a very specific kind of argumentative shitposting. You hang around long enough, you pick up on patterns. It's why begging atamajakki to drop the trip was a silly idea: it's very easy to pick out those posts.

Something to consider: literally no one else will work on running Exalted. That's all there is to it, really.

Honestly it probably wasn't written as that and just wound up being one without intent. I think it was mostly to highlight you can be a Scion of one pantheon from a totally other culture. Gods incarnate into the world wherever the fuck they want and nothing's stopping Loki or Amaterasu or Ares from deciding to go to say, Colombia or Iraq or something.

Other than the Japanese Pantheon being just as big xenophobes as regular japanese people.

Hey man, how can you show them the superiority of your culture if you don't fuck every other culture into submission? See above where Susano-o was involved in the Rape of Nanking!

Coyote (and Raven by association) are broest tier gods.

>Something to consider: literally no one else will work on running Exalted.
Is that actually true though?

The argument goes like this:

1) Scion is a game about being scions, halfblooded children of gods and mortals getting swept up in the complicated lives of their divine parents while dealing with their own Fate

2) Scion 1e had 3 core books to represent the stages of a Scion's life: Hero (just found out what's going on), Demigod (climbing the mountain), and God (on the level of your parents). Hero had a brief section on what happens pre-Visitation (before your divine parent claims you, gives you the low-down on the mythological reality, and grants you powerful Boons and abilities to handle it), sort of like how Vampire recommends you do one scene set before the character is Embraced to get an idea of who they were as a mortal before moving on to the main point of the game. It also had all the core rules.

3) Scion 2e still wants to keep Hero-Demigod-God. However, the core rules of play and character creation are taken out of Hero. Instead, they are put in Origins, which is all about the life of a character before they are a true Scion -no Boons or Purviews, no connection to your parent or even knowledge of who they are, just adventures in a modern myth world. It also has the rules for playing non-human characters like werewolves, kitsune, etc.

4) People can't just buy Scion: Hero to play Scion as scions. Instead they need to get Origins, which has the rules for playing Scion placed in with a bunch of things that seem extraneous and better suited to a standalone splat. A person needs to have two books with them if they want to play Hero-level Scion, which was the default in 1e, even though they only need maybe 50 pages from one of the books unless they are using the alternate races.

The devs have commented that starting at hero will indeed be possible. I assume the hero book will have alternate character creation rules for just making a hero

They have said that you can start at Hero, but it's not clear how it will work because we don't know what the difference between Origin level and Hero level is. Are Origin characters mechanically identical to Heroes, just without the Boons and Purviews that are applied from Hero? Is there some sort of larger leveling up process? It's possible that Hero will have rules for going from nothing to Hero, but IMO that doesn't make sense. They already know that you had to buy Origins for the core rules, and Origins will have chargen rules for that level in it, I would be surprised if they reproduced a character creation chapter in Hero (at best, it might be a quick list of, "Follow the rules in Origins for character creation, but you get 16 attribute points instead of 10, 6 more skill ranks," etc.)

But that's not the actual point of . You can play at Hero level, but you can't do it with the Hero book alone.

He tells an extended story after that about getting a handie by disguising his dick in a bush as a strawberry. Coyote is great

>A Scion general is a perfectly appropriate place to point out that OPP are being dicks strong-arming the majority of their scion customers into buying a book they didn't want
>majority of their scion customers
>book they didn't want
Prove this horseshit. I dare you.