What system accurately portrays guns and has a wide selection of guns?

And there's the small press Post-Apocalypse RPG called 'The Morrow Project' that has a highly detailed firearms / combat system as well.

>I thought Shadowrun was a cyberpunk game with magic and elves

It is, and I can't speak for the current Shadow Run edition's combat system, but one of the older editions had stupid large D6 dice pools that were just retarded in action.

PC "I rolled 21 successes for firing my shotgun at point blank range!"

GM

>yeah but I dont want that level of detail.

Make up your mind breh. Seems like you need to spend a little more time thinking about why you like to have loadsa guns.

Twilight 2000 *2nd Edition*. It's largely compatible with the cyberpunk/horror/alien RPG Dark Conspiracy.

Shadowrun and Dark Heresy both have very good ranged combat rules. You just need to roll your own stats for modern guns.

GURPS

I should add that SR and DH are kinda live systems (well, at least SR is). Twilight has been OOP for many years, so it might be a bit rusty. But is a very fun career path character generation process.

Not sure if it's on mega or mediafire but you can check out the Twilight 2E Corebook PDF here:
uploady.com/#!/download/xlV_c6UE2iH/tZ0G17dCvp67J8U5

> or just google
> Twilight 2000 Core Rules v2.2 pdf

GURPS.

OP specifically said no GURPS. It's like GURPS shills can't even read the OP before they shit in the thread.

Considering some of the later posts in this thread, it sounds like you're looking more for a balance of gamist and Simulationist, than pure Simulationist.
The wh40kRp system is actually pretty good for having a fast, lethal combat system, while having a lot of content to work with, I've been modding it for a while to use whenever I need a modern or sci fi system. There are threads here often that have many links and resources in the OP

Also it was the basis for the Halo "Mythic" RPG, which comes up occasionally here, but has an active subreddit where the most recent updates and books may be found

Hope this helps.

GURPS.

>shills

I think its more many GURPS fans are fed up of people who blindly swallow memes starting threads with 'I need an RPG for (thing GURPS is perfect for) but no GURPS!'.

I mean, some OPs could have said no GURPS for a reason. Maybe they don't like the system for whatever reason. Maybe GURPS touched them when they were little. Who gives a fuck.

The point is, OP said no GURPS, and we have shitheads like and wasting good posts on GURPS.

Just refluff PF.

d20 Modern.

Yeah I remember hearing about those dice

That actually sounds great
Because I like having guns, I don't want to have to check 5 different charts every time I shoot and then 5 more every time I hit.
I just don't like GURPS, its way too front loaded for me.

And why exactly "no gurps"?

nvm, should've read whole topic first

Ops & Tactics

There's also FGU's "Aftermath!", from the same era.

>But is a very fun career path character generation process

Not as random as Traveller, but doesn't really do civilian careers well. Which is reasonable, given the focus of the game.

Ah, the era of the D30. Heh!

GURPS.

With cyberpunk's system you can easily model the difference between an M16A1, a XM177, and a M4A1. Could also model the difference between a Colt Python with 1, 2, 4 or 6 inch barrel.

Does it give you downsides for longer barrels?

>Not as random as Traveller, but doesn't really do civilian careers well. Which is reasonable, given the focus of the game.
for civilian careers, look at dark conspiracy.

twilight 2000 2.2/dark conspiracy 3E does: if you have the same initiative as an enemy (which happens frequently), the weapon with lower bulk goes first. pic related.

Have I got the book for you.

Is a higher or lower Recoil stat more kick? And is the in game dollar worth approximately what modern dollars are?

higher is more kick, yes. you have a 1-10 STR attribute. you add up the recoil for each shot, every point above STR decreases your ranged combat skill (d20 based) 1-for-1. apparently the mass of the 29/21.3 supposedly decreases recoil.

prices are for the year 2000, roundabout, I think. seems to be fairly accurate for the 16.5 at least.

Honestly, GURPS has the single widest selection of real firearms I can think of. And, really, the whole thing is modular, just shove shit off you don't want. Otherwise, I'll advocate for Twilight2k, as not enough people play the game and it's legitimately good.

Not OP, but thank you user. This is fucking amazing.

Ops & Tactics

It isn't often considered for this, but Call of Cthulhu is fairly realistic when it comes to guns, especially when you can get your hands on the german Weapons Manual, which has rules for more then thousand obscure and common firearms.

rpg vault has a nice supplement for CoC called investigators weaposn which has loads of stats and extra rules for combat, gunsmithing and even acquiring firearms/licenses etc.

>Shadowrun
>Accurately portrays guns
>Wide Selection of guns

HAHAHAHAHHAA are you fucking dense mate?

>What's the point of anything in an RPG?Because people enjoy it.

At the level of abstraction that firearms usually operate in RPGs, the differences between an M4 and SCAR are minimal.

What authors should be getting autistic about is optics which have a greater effect, especially in the level of abstraction in most RPGs, on the shooter's ability to hit things.

Then when it comes to things like sniping, shooter skill in things like ranging, breath control, etc become in many cases more important than the platform used to achieve them.

t. /k/ommando

Is FGU's Merc any good?

>clips

In its vanilla version, CP2020 isn't that great. But using the given stats you can make it very realistic. Regarding barrel length, the main drawbacks of long barrels would be less concealablity and a penalty to fast draw (this would have to be homebrewn).

not him and my SR knowledge is a bit dated but it seems to me your posting in ignorance, dear sir.
SR simulates distance, recoil, gun attachments, visibility and a whole range of other factors. it's clearly on the simulationist end of things. if it's not realistic in your estimation, you only need to tweak a few numbers to make it fit your preferences.
as for the wide selection of guns... it already had that in 2nd edition. i dont suppose it has gotten any less now.

so, yeah, you should consider the possibility that you're a retard.

I genuinely believe this is bait

>wanting to load rounds one at time

Wait a what? And I've went and assembled my own... ah crap.

However, I went along and did a lot of math stuffs to calculate muzzle energy and transfer it in application to a more realistic damage spread IMO.

I'll try and find a link. I was reworking the entire thing and added stuff to the list since the last one I tossed online as the first version.

This is like the first version of what I did:

drive.google.com/file/d/0B4U73lJ3zxF7ZXFHcGFqSUxGMjg/view?usp=sharing

As is this, this was an attempt to kinda bring it all together using photos, gun sites, books, and wikis so at least people know what they look like, how they work, how common they were, etc.

drive.google.com/file/d/0B4U73lJ3zxF7YzRkekYwSzN2aDA/view?usp=sharing

Long way from being done, was making a pass on the latter document and noticed I missed firearms, or variants of firearms, a few more oddball cartridges, etc. So last I left it months ago, I was in the middle of putting it together and re-editing the spreadsheet with the new additions.

Anyways, feel free to use the spreadsheet in your CoC games if you want.

For those interested in the crunchy physics behind it:

drive.google.com/file/d/0B4U73lJ3zxF7Y3JjUmRyVTJESVU/view?usp=sharing

I tried to take common ball/FMJ loads on test barrels to calculate energy and then using the system mentioned in the bigger document assigned them risk against more common calibers I used as the "controls" and simply created variations based on muzzle energy.

Old /k/ meme, disregard.