>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list. mtgcommander.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices. tappedout.net
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck. mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet. edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity. manabasecrafter.com/
In the spirit of the thread topic, I'll admit that most of my decks use huge commanders as combat wrecking balls. Nothing gives me more joy than resolving a Chandra's Ignition on Kresh and one-shotting someone, or slipping a 30/30 Karlov through after exiling their blockers.
Parker Miller
Does anyone have a good Breya/Sydri infinite combo list? I'm getting the precon tomorrow and want some more ideas to build off of.
Aaron Long
>he uses the inferior artifact commanders
Jacob Wood
>hey, I'm just gonna look for a budget alternative for Demonic Tutor that works well in my deck >it's just as expensive Fuck me.
Josiah Gonzalez
>Quick, post green Sorceries and Instants that basically win the game when infinitely recurred via Mirari + Regrowth + Revive
I'll start: Storm Seeker Plow Under Seedtime
Sebastian Ross
>goldnight castigator, panharmonicon, parallel lives and five 1/1 human tokens on the field from increasing devotion. >flashback increasing devotion >mfw
Robert Long
>when recurred infinitely
all of them
Cooper Kelly
what is that glass for she has paws how does she drink from it
Tyler Turner
>how does she drink from it very carefully
Kevin Taylor
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Angel Gonzalez
So Veeky Forums I got pissed at my playgroup and am now building an Atraxa Stax deck which is going to be opressive as fuck.
Stasis locks, torpor orbs, infect, you name it.
Magistrate's for the extra turns, Chronologist, all of it.
Planeswalkers and infect to just top it off.
Do you have any suggestions except "kill yourself"?
Christian Foster
Tangle Wire is disgusting with proliferate
David Hernandez
oh, just got a chub thinking about it
Connor Johnson
Deadeye and Mana Echoes is pretty dumb with Breya, though not infinite on its own because of colored mana.
Aiden Morris
i hope this isn't the kind of "pissed" that destroys playgroups
Nicholas Thompson
>Playing Thromok >Ulasht's feeble cousin
Michael Davis
ulasht always seemed way too clunky sell me on him
Cooper Cruz
Fun uses for Ulasht:
1: Works better with the obligatory doubling season Chump block with him and use his ability to create X saprolings, Next turn recast him double size
3. Add Skullclamp for 2: Draw two cards
4: Conjuror's closet becomes X: Create X saprolings and Ulasht gets X bigger at end of turn.
He starts smaller, but he can grow more, and has more synergy
Grayson Gomez
I just felt like he was too mana intensive to be viable, and board wipes completely shut down everything he's been building to.
Thromok admittedly dies to removal hard and doesn't like boardwipes either, but when he goes off, HE GOES OFF.
Juan Fisher
Parallax Wave and Tide are also pretty good.
Austin Perry
goldknight commander* not castigator fuk
Justin Garcia
Nah, I'm just sick and tired of everyone going more and more cutthroat so I'm just gonna try and slow everything down.
At the moment the playstyle of the group has devolved into "who can tutor their infinite faster".
Parker Price
sounds like a terrible case of spikism
i'm very happy that my playgroup understands that games are more fun when everyone plays their decks at 75% power. there's basically an unspoken agreement that no one puts shit in their decks that would make the entire table groan
Julian Rodriguez
I personally like playing against competitive decks, but the fun-factor is gone in these kind of situations where everyone is just playing solitaire, at least now they will have to deal with me being a dick to everyone first, kek.
Connor Howard
blowfly infestation. the gift that keeps on giving. you can effectively kill with just poliferation. Inexorable Tide makes all your spells poliferate when you can them too.
Hunter Martin
every fucking propaganda effect known to man
Jeremiah Rivera
>4color for stax Stax should be keeped on 1-2 colors, so you can abuse stony silence and null rod
Samuel Morris
why is the yidris mana base so meh compared to the other c16 decks?
Jaxson Myers
My opponent has necroskitter and I have bane of progress with few few +1 counters on him. If my opponent black suns enough to kill bane, he comes back on my opponents sides because he was last remembered on the battlefield with -1 -1 counters as well right, even though they cancel
Joseph Myers
so does the exile card from cascade also have cascade?
Easton Johnson
>Spends 10 minutes comboing with elves to get a bunch of lands and live 5 extra elves >Oath of Druid into Cataclysmic Gearhulk
>"player has left the game"
Damn it feels good to be gangsta
Aaron Wood
If you need a "budget alternative" to a fucking 10 dollar card, find a new hobby.
Jordan Powell
I dunno, genius, is the Exile zone your hand?
Luke Harris
if there was enough minus counters to kill it and still have it when it goes to the grave yes. the only senario it wouldnt happen if a base 0/0 with equal amounts of minuses as pluses as they null each other but isnt the killing blow.
Andrew Ramirez
>a base 0/0 with equal amounts of minuses as pluses as they null each other but isnt the killing blow. ...what?
Wyatt Walker
Minuses and pluses null each others but 0/0 is a kill..
Brody Wright
you could spend that 10 dollars to buy 50 gray merchants
didnt think of that, did you
Bentley Parker
Okay, I want to make sure I understand what you're saying:
Are you saying that if I had a 0/0 with five +1/+1 counters on it, and then someone played a Black Sun's Zenith for X=5, that Necroskitter wouldn't trigger? Because you're wrong if that's what you're saying.
Julian Murphy
Am a different person from OP just replied on the counter part.. If You have a 0/0 with 5 +1/+1 on it then someone else play blacksun With X=5, it dépend You owns the necroskitter..
Michael Myers
New to commander, how much ramp would you play? I'm playing Tasigur and have the following 38 lands 5 artifact ramps 3 mana dorks 5 'put land into play' cards exploration + burgeoning oracle of mul daya Is this way too much?
About half my spells are 3 or less and half are like 4-6 CMC
Gabriel Lee
I'm gonna guess English isn't you first language.
Jacob Cook
You're probably going a little too hard, honestly. I think 38 lands, 5 rocks, and 5 "other" (whether that be Rampant Growth effects, mana dorks, or a combination thereof) is plenty and a half.
Also, I'm not a huge fan of Burgeoning, but that's just me.
Sebastian Reed
M'y autocorrect fuckboard betrayed me
Nolan Taylor
I just bought all the singles I'll be using to upgrade the stock C16 decks I bought (yidris and gaymen). >tfw combined total of precons and singles is $100 exactly It's hip to be square :')
Share your good purchase feels with me, /edhg/
Michael Collins
Was about To say that if necroskitter is yours and die on the blacksunzenith then it do not trigger
Dominic Morales
No shit, sherlock. It says "Opponent".
Kayden Rivera
Post commanders that seem neat at first but really aren't.
Oliver Cruz
Do you think that this is enough sweepers? Pernicious Deed Damnation Cyclonic Rift Toxic Deluge Ugin
Juan Collins
guys I quit yugioh a few years ago, Magic seems really appealing and commander seem like the most appealing format, would you discourage me from starting with commander? I really only wanna play for fun
helb
Hudson Powell
Ok let's rewind à little would we? You and Adolf playing edh, You play necroskitter he already have a 2/2 with one -1/-1 on it.. it's turn, he plays a blacksunzenith at 5.. Two crea dies.. the necroskitter isn't on the board when his crea goes in his yard, how could it trigger then?
Austin Collins
Commander is the most expensive to hop into, typically, but you're in luck--precons just came out.
Look into the Commander 2015 or 2016 product line, buy one, and hop in.
Although if you don't actually know basic MtG mechanics you should start in limited because people at LGSs are often more helpful than your cynical friends. preferably sealed if you're incompetent at telling left from right.
Kevin Smith
>preferably sealed if you're incompetent at telling left from right
looks like I'm starting with sealed, thanks famalam
Evan Brown
Well, to be fair, I think that 4 colour stax is pretty bad idea. UW or esper stax are great. I don't speak from experience though, it's just that I think that Back To Basics is required card in any stax deck, depending on the meta of course. Smokestack is auto include too, it works well with proliferate.
Nathan Clark
I just bought most of the cards for this deck (everything except most of the lands and a few of the more expensive enchantments). Hopefully the cards come in before Thursday so I can try it out this week.
Depends on your meta, honestly. In some areas having 5 sweepers is excessive, and in others 5 is nowhere near enough.
Brody Clark
Because creatures that leave the battlefield simultaneously see each other do so, and trigger appropriately.
Jose Collins
I started mtg with commander 2011, lots of fun if You have players nearby
Ryder Sanders
Agreed, but it's written "put into a graveyard" not "leave the battlefield" wording matters no?
Jackson Murphy
No. Either one of those would work. Necroskitter will 'see' the creature dying, even if Necroskitter itself is dying. That's why Blood Artist triggers for everything during a Wrath, and not just itself.
Easton Morris
You're a retard. They die simultaneously, so it still triggers. Anyway, he's wrong. Let's say that I have Ghave on the field with 5 counters. Zenith with X=5 will reduce him to a 0/0, and he won't have minus counters on him at that point when state based actions are checked, so Necroskitter won't trigger. However, if X exceeds the number of counters on ghave, you get him. Same goes for Dusk Urchins, if you Zenith for say 20 ad you control Urcins with nothing on them, you'll draw 20 cards after Zenith resolves. Creatures can't have minus and plus counters on them at the same time. So for the original, if Bane is killed by Zenith, you get him after the dip unless something prevents it.
On a side note, I love It That Betrays, since he grabs all sacced permanents no matter where they go, exile or command zone even, unless they move away from that zone when ITB's ability resolves.
Gabriel Perry
>and he won't have minus counters on him at that point when state based actions are checked, so Necroskitter won't trigger Incorrect. The counters 'negating' each other and creatures being put into the bin for having 0 toughness are both SBAs, which are checked and enacted simultaneously. It had -1/-1 counters on it when it died, because "remove all these counters" and "kill me" happen at the exact same time.
Josiah Martinez
How is that relevant at all? You can buy 50 Diabolic tutors as well with that price and it does the same thing. Still, quality is more important than quantity, at least in EDH. Intent can be better than Demonic in some cases, as I have used it as a sac outlet for Lark and won the game countless times.
Easton Sullivan
Ok with that
Xavier Mitchell
Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. Do you have the ruling for that though?
Justin Mitchell
It's not a "ruling". This isn't Yugioh. Interactions work because the RULES say so, not because a 'ruling' was made for that specific interaction.
But yes. 704.7. If a state-based action results in a permanent leaving the battlefield at the same time other state-based actions were performed, that permanent's last known information is derived from the game state before any of those state-based actions were performed. Example: You control Young Wolf, a 1/1 creature with undying, and it has a +1/+1 counter on it. A spell puts three -1/-1 counters on Young Wolf. Before state-based actions are performed, Young Wolf has one +1/+1 counter and three -1/-1 counters on it. After state-based actions are performed, Young Wolf is in the graveyard. When it was last on the battlefield, it had a +1/+1 counter on it, so undying will not trigger.
Thomas Ramirez
Totally agree with You but don't be insulting it just bring hostility in a ground where it is more than already present (mtg match) (although mtg is fun)
Jeremiah Hill
>Totally agree with you Well you shouldn't because he's wrong
William Howard
>buy the breya precon and edit it a little bit >friend who bought atraxa and built it as superfriends thinks breya is shit in every way compared to breya and wants to test his atraxa out against my breya >everytime he casts atraxa, it diee to breya's ability and all his walkers end up being countered or dead through other means >end the game with breya swinging for lethal
Even without infinite combos, breya is no joke
Christopher Sullivan
No, Breya is trash. Your opponent was just fucking stupid to cast his Atraxa while you visibly had Breya, 2 mana, and 2 artifacts.
Her ability is overcosted as shit and she's a bad Commander.
Dylan Hernandez
I hope it works out for you. The deck looks like a lot of fun... for you, at least. And even then, you're not afraid to bleed a little bit yourself! It's perfectly Rakdos! I love it!
Dominic Adams
Fuck off Lawrence. Next game I'll just mill you out.
Levi Rogers
Still desperately trying to cut down this Sydri list. I can't see anything I actually want to remove. And before anybody says to cut Willbender, it can counter Krosan Grip, which is played in line 90% of the cards in my meta.
Magus of the Tabernacle Willbender Caltrops Time Sieve Fortuitous Find Twincast Vanish into Memory
Charles Butler
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Juan Hughes
>cutting Caltrops in Sydri C'mon son
Luke Robinson
>Cut Caltrops >from Sydri
William Bailey
I've never built Sydri, but even with her abilities, it still doesn't seem all that good to me.
Ian Clark
So is the appeal of this that its only been printed once/twice? compared to vampiric tutor which is arguably better?
Lucas Bennett
As long as you have her and Caltrops out, leave up WUB and nobody will attack you.
Hell, you don't even need them to attack -you-. You can just fuck up any of their attackers.
Gavin Russell
Scarcity, yeah. Imperial Seal has only ever been printed in Portal: Three Kingdoms, and the english print run of that was extremely limited in both quantity and scope (I think it was ONLY released in Australia?).
Gabriel Ward
I see it now! Wow. That's some good tech. So yeah, fuck what I said. Cut something else.
Anthony Jones
Breya eggs is fun though.
Aiden Scott
I'm aking a big old wooden box for a ton of cards and I have the opportunity to spray paint something on the top with a stencil.
Any ideas what kind of MTG-related art to use? I feel like putting all the mana symbols would make it overdesigned so I was just thinking of putting a plain ol' planeswalker symbol there. but then that might be a bit too bland. thoughts?
Easton Johnson
>breya eggs
I have been hearing about this but not seen what it is or even does, indulge me.
Ian Perry
There's way better sac outlets.
Carson Rivera
I don't really know what is worst, the people who surrenders to infinite combos or those who stay until you complete the combo
If it's a true infinite (Kiki Jiki + Resto, for example) I'll just have them shortcut to their 'end state' and see if anyone else has a response (like a Fog to buy us a turn).
If it's something that they CAN fuck up, I'm gonna make them finish it.
Brayden Wilson
>breya is bad meme Did you also sold your nahiris at 8 bucks?
Noah Powell
Breya -is- bad. She's shitty removal or shitty burn or shitty lifegain. There's better sac outlets for an artifact deck, there's better removal for a WUB deck, there's better combo enablers. She's not actually good at anything, she's just shitty at five things.
Nahiri is also a shitty card and I don't fucking understand how it's the cornerstone of Modern. If you can tap out for a 4 mana permanent on turn 4 and nobody fucking interacts with it for 2 straight turns, you were already winning that game.
Easton Bennett
>someone plays an infinite damage combo >congratulate him and tell him he can leave the table and let the rest of the table to compete for 2nd place >snicker at him behind his back as he willingly scoops up his cards and leaves >slash his tires later
Sebastian Taylor
>Nahiri is also a shitty card Yeahm that's why all RW decks on edh instapack her You already showed us that you are bad at evaluating magic cards, now go play your geist of saint traft or narset edh and say how you easily beat anyone else.
Kevin King
>slash his tires later
woooowoowoowowow we believe yoooou
Zachary Ross
>Playing dor 2nd place after you have been defeated Is already a disgrace that you have lost, but it's worst that you can't accept the fact that your deck is shit
Ethan Rogers
I'm pretty sure that for years Diabolic Intent was considered a trash rare and therefore cheap. Which is a shame, because the way *I* read the card to work, it not only costs the same as a Demonic Tutor mana-wise, but it doubles as a sacrifice outlet. And it's *great* in EDH.