Party's recurring enemy is a team of their evil opposites

>Done this
I've run at least a dozen games and I've never done this.

>Considered doing this
Yeah, when people brought it up in threads on Veeky Forums it got me wondering if it was an idea I could use and I always decided it wasn't.

>had it happen to you
I'm a foreverGM and have been a player only for two or three really short games. Never happened.

Zaheer did nothing wrong

Could you imagine the good they could have done if they hadn't been a bunch of dipshits? Fuck. I wish the show had been about them being good guys or bad guys, rather than Korra being fucking retarded for four seasons.

They killed the earth queen, that was pretty good

Is just me of seemed like fate was against Korra?
Non bender dude who knows more than anyone ever of airbending suddenly gets airbending powers and knows how to perfectly use them, beyond capabilities of experienced masters, in a couple of days, this sounds like cunt GM shenanigans to be honest.

tried to kill a mentally retarded girl

It was euthanasia

Making Zaheer more likable, interesting, and badass than Korra was a mistake, but at least elevated Season 3 to the point it's the only Korra season (Alongside the Amon parts of Season 1) that can stand up to Avatar

I still want a Red Lotus prequel show
>they get brought together as teenagers, all coming from some kind of hardship
>as they train and fight together they develop their friendship and all learn their unique bending skills
>seeing young brawler Zaheer grow into a calm and focused team leader
I need this shit

>hey look, I suddenly know lavabending just because

The thing with Zaheer was he was badass normal who suddenly got magic

the reason he suddenly got magic is because of the consequences of the MC's actions

So it's slightly bullshit.

Korra it basically what happens when a GM tries to use a setting twice but with a different group the second time.

The GM picked the most experienced player to be the avatar, not expecting them to turn into a murderhobo retard

So much so he had to keep slapping GMPC's in to keep the game on track

He probably should've just let the players have fun being pro benders and brought the Amon plot point back later.

>beyond capabilities of experienced masters
Zaheer got wrecked when he went up against Tenzin. Even Kya gave him a run for his money. He only won the Tenzin fight because he had friends to help him
>tfw the villains are better at using the power of friendship than the heroes
The writers really fucked up with LoK

while I have a certain level of leeway for the whole 'natural talent' thing it still would have been a lot more interesting if after the first encounter with Ghazan Bolin had started to think about Lavabending and how it works, the tunnel could still be the first time he manages, but at least show that he has an idea as to how it works first

>Zaheer got wrecked when he went up against Tenzin
? Did we watch the same fight? it looked more like Zaheer was playing with Tenzin

I have considered doing pretty much everything. Your statement hits too broad to be meaningful.

watch it again, Tenzin counters anything Zaheer throws at him and is able to land a lot of good hits on him, after a while Zaheer just starts straight up fleeing until the rest of the RL arrives

Zaheer was having fun with his bending powers. That, IMO, is why he was the superior bender - he exemplified the joy of the art, which gives him more natural talent than dour old Tenzin, who won by virtue of much more experience.

Zaheer literally an evil Aang

Not at all. Zaheer was struggling against Tenzin and only managed to beat him when he got help.

Come on now, that is the single non-jobbing moment of Tenzin, don't take that away from him. Tenzin is meant to be very powerful, it's just that Amon was ridiculously OP and Season 2 was a trainwreck

Tenzin did really good in S1 vs the Equalist army, fucker was beating giant robots with air

youtube.com/watch?v=zHlqmwI-Bd0
Apparently we did. Zaheer spent the whole fight either fleeing or on the defensive. He doesn't land a single blow and gets tripped up/hit several times. He can't beat Tenzin on his own. Even against Kya he fubles and trips up when trying to airbend.

I think the choreographers did a great job showing that he was essentially just a very talented newbie

>I think the choreographers did a great job showing that he was essentially just a very talented newbie
one thing I actually noticed when rewatching season 3 (just the Red Lotus scenes) was when Zaheer went through the spinning gates, he didn't approach it like an Airbender, the way Jinora did in season 1 youtube.com/watch?v=SohkMovvxHI instead he powers through, much like Korra tried to do except he had the speed and agility to pull it off, he ran through and zagged and rolled when needed to avoid them but he didn't go with the flow like an Airbender should. He has the surface appearance right (he got through the gates after all) but not the underlying principle (much like his version of Airbender philosophy actually)

>Zaheer literally an evil Aang
Even down to his character growth. Where Aang refuses to detach from the world and finds another way to ascend to the next level, Zaheer gets his girlfriend's head blown up and abandons all earthly tethers to achieve evil enlightenment. Guy is pure bizarro Aang. Season should've been entirely about him.

Giving manlets hope

He's also still alive so he still has the potential to return as an even more powerful villain if they ever do a third show, hopefully far far away from Nickelodeon

Zaheer...Zaheer had a hard life

is the guy on the right looking at P'li or Ghazan?

He's the one who got them killed on the insane crap shoot that was his philosophy. I like Zaheer as a character, but I think the most evil thing he did was convincing people that the Red Lotus was a good idea.

>tumblr
Take a wild guess.

he looks like a male Tracer

He stayed true to his beliefs, much like Aang. They just weren't very good ones.

Don't think so, he even helped Korra in s4

Are you insinuating that Veeky Forums is any less gay than tumblr? Have you been to any of the porn boards? Or Veeky Forums?

Zaheer's whole strenght came from the fact that nobody had experience with fighting against air-benders.

So he had a bunch of advantages
>weeaboo interest in air nomads, so he understands better than your average guy
>already experienced with fighting benders in his past I presume, even as a non-bender
>little to no one ever fought against an air-bender, giving him an edge

And as others said, the moment he goes against someone experienced with airbending, he absolutely gets his ass handed to him and it shows that he has little actual prowess with airbending itself.

Nah, but Veeky Forums only does lesbian or futa fanart, tumblr has the monopoly on this.

Veeky Forums doesn't worship gayness like tumblr does.

he helped Korra (and was probably a better spiritual teacher than Tenzin) because he hated dictators more than probably anything else, it's the antithesis to his own philosophy, if he had the chance he'd go straight back to trying to enact anarchism across the world

Then why is every OP a faggot?

OPs are for bullying.

But during his talk with her he seemed to acknowledge that Kuvira's rise to power was a direct result of him trying to force anarchy. If he's at all a smart guy that would be the point where he realized people don't want anarchy and will bow to the devil to avoid it.

Lets not forget that the number of air benders in history who wantonly use their art specifically to maim and kill are virtually non existent. Evil air benders are absolutely to be feared.

Zaheer had what a few months of practice and was able to somewhat keep up with Tenzin who has had 40 odd years of practice under the tutelage of the avatar.

Red Lotus team were cool... but unfortunately were too cool. They had more team chemistry than team avatar. Shame.

It was less that they were too cool and more that the Korra Krew was too uncool. They were barely even in the same scenes together.

>They were barely even in the same scenes together
that seemed to be the issue, there wasn't a team dynamic for the Krew because there were barely any scenes with all of them together, by contrast every Red Lotus scene had the entire group so we can see how they all interact as a team

I feel like I just spoiled myself Mike

He could probably argue that he left the job rather unfinished. After all, just one part of the world had no leader. Everywhere else still had lords, chiefs and leaders, and the Avatar was still alive.
Him being locked up is probably his justification for how things turned out.

Even behind bars, he'd prefer whatever the Avatar had in mind over Not-Hitler

>rageholic
>3.PF monk

He didn't hate Korra or the Avatar but what it represents

Damn, Amon is swole, how can those limp wristed faggots even compete

When did I say he did?

Guys how would you

>Fix Legend of Korra?

Have the same villain (Amon) for all the seasons

There is no fix, you need to change the entire series from ground up. The "good" version of LoK would have only superficial resemblance to the version we got.

They can't. Amon was absolutely OP. Took lightning to the face, out-skilled and defeated everyone who faced him through psychic bloodbending (an art so powerful even great waterbenders could only do it with the full moon, and that was just regular bloodbending) and was literally only defeated by deus ex machina.

Did you really want them to have scenes together?

Asami was there just to be forced sexual tension in Season 1, Mako's useless booty call in Season 2, literally-who in Season 3 and a prize for Korra in Season 4.

Bolin was too much of an obvious, failed attempt at re-creating Sokka.

Korra was wholly unlikable and her personality and character development came and went depending on the episode.

And Mako is probably the worst character in all of Avatar.

Meanwhile, the second you see Zaheer's breakout you want to see more of him.

>likable, interesting, badass

Did you really watch the show?
He was a mary-sue faggot who beat everyone for literally no reason. Felt good watching Tenzin school is ass.

I wasn't correcting you, just adding

Outline three full seasons before starting work on the first. Establish Amon as the BBEG and have him across all three seasons. Focus more on character development and making the main cast likable. Drop all the Dark Avatar bullshit. Actually answer some of the questions left after ATLA.

> That entire first half of S2, where Korra becomes a complete asshole for no reason
> That scene where Korra crashes into Mako's workplace, kicks the desk down and shouts at him for no reason
> WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON, MAKO?!
> Literally in every episode until her convenient amnesia.
For what fucking purpose? Also
> That fucking amnesia
Also for what purpose? No, seriously, what purpose did it serve? I honestly don't get it. And if they had to had amnesia for some reason, why not do the Nolan?

> First episode
> Fire sages find Korra
> "Oh my god, Avatar Korra, how did you end up here? Are you okay?"
> "Who's Korra?"

Then come the flashbacks, where we find out how she got there. Not that it would be THAT much better, but it would be certainly the improvement.

>Amon is legit scarred
>Korra through learning to let go after losing her bending unlocks air bending but only air bending
>Final fight for republic city is a three way battle between korra, tarrlock and amon
>Amon defeated but disappears but Tarrlock looks like the hero

This sets the stage for season 2 where Tarrlock rallies bender supremacists to rule Republic City and assert themselves over all non benders

>don't just make the whole Equalizers movement disappear just because Amon happened to be a bender, it's not like all the ill sentiments magically disappear
>remove the entirety of season 2
>alternatively, just remove dark-avatar bullshit and make it about bender supremacy instead, to contrast previous season
>keep a consistent theme like that throughout the series

Better idea - don't make Amon a bender. Make him an actual evil Batman, who got his bending removal ability from spirits. After all, we know that not all spirits are benevolent and reasonable.

Don't go past Season 1.
Give Sokka kids.

Why would spirits ever want to limit magical access to our world? Unless they're just being douchebags who want to stir shit for no reason.

The seasons needed to tie together better.

Taarloc should have succeeded in season 1 and gone full bender supremacist. Season 2 Korra realises how much she fucked up and goes on a journey, not to learn bending, but to learn to understand people better after her sheltered upbringing and rely less on brute force to solve problems. Over the course of season 3 she builds a relationship with the equalist movement and then season 4 is her coming back and liberating republic city.

>douchebags who want to stir shit for no reason.
works for me

This
The show suffered a bit for not having a main bad guy the entire show
Plus Amon was almost Azula tier

That's a much better story arc, though I think it would have to be settled more with both's sides realizing they can't just trample on other people's rights. Kinda like how Korra has to realize the same thing about herself.

>Unless they're just being douchebags who want to stir shit for no reason
s2 onwards makes them out to be exactly that

Isn't it just the one? Like they introduced some contrived light vs dark struggle with spirits for no reason?

>beat everyone
>Tenzin school his ass
you see no contradiction here?

It can be just one spirit. Someone with a grudge against the avatar, maybe? Someone like Koh or Wan Shi Tong, or even someone completely new, could have wanted it. Not necessarily even to end bending - just to fuck up the Avatar specifically.

>Like they introduced some contrived light vs dark struggle with spirits for no reason?
Yeah, not only is it almost midichlorians-tier in "explaining the mythos for no reasons", straight up good and evil are stupid for a character who's all about balance.

They showed spirits before the avatar, and they were all assholes hostile to humans for no reason. Korra opened the spirit gates or whatever, and the spirits infested republic city with spirit vines in s3 for no reason. Korra tried to negotiate with them but they were unreasonable. Then the story forgot about it.

Spirits are total assholes for no reason.

The Painted Lazy, she was just a lazy shit who had to have Katara do her job.

You do really have some level of autism.
It's crystal clear the guy meant he beat everyone until faced against Tenzin.

except Kya, who he had to run away from and spent most of the fight with getting knocked down

>Giving manlets hope
I think P'li's just oddly tall, she's also taller than Ghazan who's a pretty big guy, I think Zaheer's just average

The retarded speculative fanfic I came up with in season1

>exactly the same up the unmasking of Amon
>turns out he's not a bloodbender or a waterbender, or even a human
>he's a spirit
>his plot was a ruse all along
>attacks Korra and traps her in the spirit world, leaving behind her comatose body
>the spirits are mad at humanity because [reasons, probably enviromental]
>a giant portal opens up above the probending arena
>spirits start pouring down
>cliffhanger season finale

Kamigawa: Republic City Edition

>who's a pretty big guy
For you.

>exactly the same up the unmasking of Amon
>leaving the frustrating love triangle and drawn out probending arc intact
failed right out the gate

I mean, the entire point of the Air Nomads being peaceful is because airbending is broken as fuck.

This is Monk Gyatso - Aangs teacher. He fucking wrecked tens of Sozins-comet juiced firebenders ALONE.

There's a reason why airbenders are pacifists.

> It's "Korra gets easily tricked by an obviously evil villain" episode
Literally every fucking season. God dammit.

For some dumb reason I never realised that all those fire benders where juiced up under the influence of Sozins comet
I found it already impressive what Gyatso could do against all those fire benders, but fuck, I never knew that he was that strong

I'm not even sure how to fix Mako and Bolin, they're such boring characters.

People originally theorized it was Koh because of the whole mask thing.

One idea I had that I liked was that Amon wasn't sealing peoples bending - he was STEALING it. That is, he was taking the powers from them, slowly becoming his own sort of Avatar.

This is why Korra loses all her bending BUT Airbending - she previously didn't have it. She always had the capability to have it, because Avatar. But she couldn't airbend when Amon steals her powers. That means it's the ONLY power left to her. Meanwhile Amon has stolen 3/4ths the power of the fucking Avatar and continues to inhale other benders like Kirby in a fucking candy factory. He's basically unbeatable. In order to even hope to challenge him, Korra has to travel the world to various places of power, project herself over to the spirit world, and seek out the Turtle Dragons to reclaim her bending powers - all while trying to learn Airbending from Tenzin.

Season 2 introduces to the Red Lotus, who themselves aren't pro avatar, but Amon is an even worse threat. With the chaos brought on by Amon, and the Avatar having lost her powers, the leaders of the White Lotus have freed the Red Lotus, despite knowing how dangerous they are, and dispatched them to try and fight Amon's forces and help Korra. So you have Tenzin AND Zaheer training Korra, each influencing them with their yin and yang good and evil chaos and law bullshit. Tenzin eventually gets his own airbending powers by piggybacking onto Korra into the spirit realm and finding the Air Dragon-Turtle.

Season 3 is about the Republic beginning a counter offensive with the aid of the Fire Nation, and Team Avatar confronting corruption in the Earth and Water nations that would prevent them from joining the Alliance to retake Republic City, Amon's seat of power. The Earth Queen and crazy Water Bible Thumper are both confronted and defeated as mini-villains.

Season 4 is the retaking of Republic City, and Korra fighting and defeating Amon - who it turns out had no ulterior motive all along. He became a God literally so no one would be able to use bending to oppress others, and was going to seal himself away after. Korra defeats him, returning bending powers to all who have lost it, and rebalancing the spirit world.

But thats not the climax

The Climax is Korra vs the Red Lotus, who have been gaining in strength alongside Korra as her temporary allies for two and a half seasons, and now that Amon is out of the way they see an opening to take out the Avatar and stop the whole bullshit cycle. The climax is Korra and her team against Zaheer and his team, winning through the power of Teamwork(C) and Friendship(TM) in the end. Plus Korra finally 'gets' spiritualism and achieves zen.

I dig it, though there's a bit of a repeat there with the "the Avatar has to travel the world to master the elements and save the world from the power-hungry bad guy".

Amon was interesting (up until the stupid reveal) because he didn't seem to be after power.

I agree with this whole-heartedly. Holy fuck I want this show now.

This is not good

Nevermind.

Top tier Air Nomads are BEAST - there's a reason everyone stopped fighting while Yangchen was the avatar.

That and Yangchen gave zero fucks. She would do whatever was necessary to ensure balance.