/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

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>That image of her dabbing her lips after murdering a dude in the ladies room doesn't seem 2 pure 2 me...
It wasn't on purpose, she just had a small oopsie and turned into a clockwork monster. But the metaphorical sort of clockwork, not like a Demon as sweet as that would have been.

So, is the download for Hurt Locker up yet?

>You know, except for the times she frenzies and brutally kills humans and other vampires.
Good grief. Some people act like this kind of thing is inevitable for the Kindred. It's not; Frances is just weak.

Do you find yourself playing a certain Clan/Path/Auspice over and over just because of the underlying themes they represent and you like to have different takes on the same theme? I find myself playing Moros too much.

I know I'll never play a Deva/Fairest/Gelatines because social splats are fags.

Dunno, did you put it up yet?

>Fighting Style Stacking
>Aggressive Driving Fighting Style
>Falconry Fighting Style
>DRONE FIGHTING STYLE

David Hill what have you done. What have you done, David Hill.

I'm so ready to unleash an army of drones and birds from my car.

The impression I get is she stupidly lets her vitae run low due to being caught up in other shit

Today's Very Special Message: Remember to fucking eat, kids!

>I find myself playing Moros too much.
No such thing. Talking to ghosts is the best.

Eshamaki. I always seem to play Eshmaki.

So what do you do if you're a hunter that finds out you're dating a changeling?

Asking for a friend.

What does your Hunter hunt? I've played one who hunted werewolves but he was kind of cool with one pack since they cooperated on taking down Pure since the local problem werewolves were mostly Predator Kings. But that was after a fair bit of gaming so he kind of knew a bit more than the norm at early stages of play.

If I have a Shadow Name Merit like Pheonix what spells could that be used as a Yantra?

Burn and cleanse, my friend.

Burn and cleanse.

So I just read the Infected minor-template and... Well It oculda been better. HAving more than 2 paragraphs to describe them could have helped.

Fire
resurrection
Flight

We're general purpose hunters. We're still somewhat new as a cell, but we've taken down a cult, a few witches, some undead, and a couple of hobgoblins, the mention of which is what made the aforementioned changeling let her secret out.

But she's so nice and changelings never ask for what happened to them.

Doesn't matter. She ain't human, she gets the 12-gauge.

The what?

How do Hunters usually react to Mages?

A minor-templae in hurt locker that.... Are infected with an occult thing? They're basicly just guys that have a disease tht stops other diseases but it makes you want to infect people/places that meet some... unmentioned standard.

David Hill, no one cares about anime to worry about how much Anime is on the Tokyo inspiration list David Hill. I love Anime and I could not care less.

Well, it's weird, because it's (not very subtly, at times) often noted and/or implied that those Hunters who are even aware of the existence magic are really dealing with minor template beings and not with Mages themselves. Add in Quiescence, and it's fairly likely that non-sleepwalker Hunters don't really react to Mages at all.

I can fix her, it's not like she's a vampire or anything.

youtube.com/watch?v=Bo_n0IPsC7g

Actually yes, the example character wants to spread his bug and even has a merit that makes him DOUBLY want to spread his Occult STD. Also one of the suggested plot hooks is basicly a bug chaser saying he wants your potent strain and if you don't poz his neg hole he'll make your life hell.

Hurt Locker's all right. I'm just glad to finally have explosion rules

David and Filemena are the cancer that's killed nWoD. McFarland went off the deep end and let them do it.
I'd ask Paradox to save us, but they really don't even need to. Frankly speaking, all the necessary material is already there in whatever past edition of either WoD franchise catches your fancy. The current one is far beyond salvation.

Ok.

I've never even heard of Filemena until today, what are her sins? Also is she another trans woman?

How can Paradox save us when all the information coming out of them shows they themselves are already beyond salvation?

Final verdict from some jerk on the internet:

Secrets: Pretty good. Ordo's the best chapter, Oaths are pretty blah.

Hurt Locker: Whole lotta white noise with some very good bits. Tokyo's an unnecessary appearance, but the ghost train is cool. Explosion rules, fucking finally.

David seems to be a pretty cool guy whose politics you're welcome to disagree with and I don't think Filamena has done anything yet.

Any updated rules for stuff like fatigue?

Filamena's written almost every half-splat in 2e so far, if not every half-splat. She's actually written quite a bit.

I don't remember seeing any new fatigue rules, but I'll double check in the morning.

I'm really tired and mixed Filamena up with Monica, my bad.

If a Space mage wants someone dead, is there anything to stop them from doing it before their target realizes what's going on, short of living in a heavily warded safe house or something? I'm not entirely sure how this works.

Mostly I'm looking at the newest version of Mage, but it's something I've wondered about the other versions too. Space seems like a powerful Sphere that could radically change how the Storyteller has to plan their adventures, in-combat and out. For those more experienced with the game, is it something you have to adapt to, or am I overthinking things?

Monica has also written a lot of stuff for WW and OPP, for what it's worth.

Ah, crap. I'm bad enough with names that I struggle to credit folks right.

Need to sign off and pass out.

I mean if any supernatural wants you dead it's always going to be a pain in the ass to stop him.

Well first off, they need an actual sympathetic connection to you, which is easier said than done.

>Ordo's the best chapter,
As well it should be.

If you mean 2e's Space Sphere:
Sympathetic spells have their potency reduced by the Withstand rating of the connection they use. A non-connection cannot be used and connection strengths can be reduced to non-connection.
There is also a Prime 2 Shielding that gives you a Withstand rating of Potency against all magic (even if it does not normally allow Withstanding).
This is a bitch to cast, but very thematic as an Imbued Item.

No clue if you're talking Ascension.

On the broader issue of power, each gameline operates on different power levels. Some stories are going to be more suitable than others for any given gameline and that is on purpose. It's something you have to adapt to.
Ex: The tension of a desperate quest for medical help is entirely dismantled if set in an urban setting of a developed nation with social healthcare.

People in these threads always complain about the game. Why keep playing a game if you seem to hate it so much? Why bother hanging around a thread for it?

Does anyone here actually LIKE CofD or did all the actual fans get chased off by people who think the mechanics ruined everything and the politics are too much and the whole thing is stillborn?

I think the whole thing is a silmaril

I like the games, but my politics tend to line up with those of the writers more than most folks who flood this place with complaints.

White Wolf fans are the biggest drama hounds of any tabletop fanbase. The shit in these past few threads is honestly child's play compared to real shitstorms.

Like everywhere else, we're just a small section of the fandom at large. Relax, things are gonna be fine. No one's every going to be happy and people are gonna kick dust over tiny stuff. Sun rise, sun set.

I like 'em too. They've got problems and I'm not shy about saying what I think they are, but I still play a crap load of CofD and read quite a bit of WoD.

I'm not nerd enough to get your reference, user.

This isn't even drama, though, it's just bitching. I'd kill for drama, but Dracula hasn't really been up to anything.
>Like everywhere else, we're just a small section of the fandom at large. Relax, things are gonna be fine. No one's every going to be happy and people are gonna kick dust over tiny stuff. Sun rise, sun set.
Yeah, but this is where I talk about the games. Everywhere else has a shitty interface and forum baggage.

Thersus is the best.

So is Mekhet, though I have a thing for shapeshifting (best power always) so sometimes Gangrel gets me.

Bitching is a common past time of the drama hound, just saying. This stuff always passes, you just learn to tune it out and respond to the stuff you like, or only reply once to the bitching if you really gotta.

>This stuff always passes
No it doesn't, this is how these threads always are.

Filamena Young is David Hill's waifu and constant collaborator. For that reason, it's a bit difficult to pick out which is responsible for which particular piece of taint they inject into the game, but it's well known she shares the same dogmatic views and inability to separate them from her work. What I do know about her is that she felt the need to waste wordcount on rules for demon pregnancy. Because she thought it was "important."

You also see works she contributes to tend to have a fairly consistent metaphor. I'm not quite sure why.
In B&S:
>He could be wearing tattered clothes, with open wounds and his face caked in shit but people still think he’s cooler than them, and they want to be around him.
From the Beast Seeming preview for Changeling 2e (which she is confirmed to have written):
>She bites through flesh, claws through soil, smears herself with shit and blood to escape the Huntsman on her heels.
Also a thing that shows up in Shadowrun's War! supplement which she contributed to along with Hill. Granted, for all I know, it's Hill that's the one into scat. Maybe they take dunking yourself in feces as a code for being especially gritty and edgy. But that's just the first sort of thing that comes to mind - her reputation is tied to Hill's, after all.

David shat on Changeling's very premise, is an awful preening ideologue, and is an all around poor writer who consistently damages the gamelines he contributes to. He is responsible for the absolute travesty that was Shadowrun's War!, generally considered one of the worst books ever penned for that gameline. Even so, I wouldn't give a shit about what they believed if they didn't seem completely incapable of inserting their values into everything they worked on in the most pretentiously preachy way imaginable, destroying the narrative value and ambiance of the content they produce and generally writing like 14 year old children.
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Beyond David's fluff writing being exceedingly poor and consistently charged with his personal political viewpoints, his mechanical contributions are equally suspect and often amount to some of the worst in their particular gamelines. People have already found problems with Hurt Locker. They've tended to crop up in everything he works on. I'd be surprised he was still getting work in the industry if he wasn't grounded in OPP, where he's among friends.

Oh she's the one that did the chapter on m-preg in Werewolf 2e?

Wonder why she has a different last name than Hill :^)

Though real talk I do care about the demon pregnancy thing, but that's because I like further explinations on their quantum state.

It goes in cycles. We get some normal discussion in and then someone's gotta vent and that leads to a big old thing and then it dies down and we discuss things normally again. People really get into these games and the personalities behind the games, so people are quick to throw down with their feelings after a book's release. It'll take about a day or two for people to pick their bones.

But the Demon pregnancy thing was actually pretty cool.

I never read Forsaken 2e, so I can't rightfully say.

But did you rrreeallly need demon pregnancy, completely useless rules which no one is ever going to actually use, to further explore their quantum state?

Everything you say is in mindless defense of the devs. Believe what you want.

What do the Hunters know about Changelings? There seems to be this assumption in all WoD games that all characters know everything about all the other splats. This is not true. It really depends on what the Hunters' view on Changelings is, which is going to depend on what they know.

If it's an "if it isn't human, it dies!" group, find another. You're playing with 40kiddies or some more generic version of edgelords.

>David shat on Changeling's very premise
Grow the fuck up.

Fuck nah nigga, I don't need rules for pregnancy. Full stop. Almost zero reason for it to be in a game that isn't for porn.

>People have already found problems with Hurt Locker.
Such as?
He's also been getting work outside OPP.

How do you still buy and play CofD books if you're this whiny about the writers?

It's some optional rules in a seperate stretch goal book, it's not like it was robbing space from the Storyteller's Guide. It's a weird thing to harp on in the greater scheme of things.

It's almost like I like these games or something.

Not even in a book about having children?

I keep telling you, this is just how White Wolf fans are. They're either ready to follow the company into hell, or they're ready to throw the company into hell. Sometimes both during the same week.

You act like pregnant women don't exist.
Nevermind that the book in question was ABOUT THE CHILDREN OF DEMONS.
That's sort of important information. It's also interesting.

How do you pick the one instance of M-preg cropping up that people actually like and choose to shit on that?

Everything you say is mindless criticism of the devs.
I have no idea why people skip the actual criticism of the games and instead just whine about politics and bullshit.

I'm not ready to follow them into hell. I have plenty of criticisms about the games. But not this weird stupid blooblooing about their politics or anime.

Guys.

What the fuck is a The Room reference dong in Promethean?

I'd be more okay with the complaints if they were more "these rules are busted" and less "I hate that there are women in the artwork."

You do know that's a common phrase, right?

That said, Tommy Weisseau is clearly a Promethean. Probably a Wretched.

Some of us actually have our shit together and can afford to spend time bitching on Veeky Forums about how the current lead dev of the gameline they used to really enjoy in high school/college not only does not seem to comprehend the meaning of that game, but seeks to completely warp it through the lens of his dumbfuck tumblr mentality.

>buy ChroD books
Are you new around here?

And mostly I don't play ChroD itself because it's largely all been garbage that I've read originally out of some hope they would improve which slowly twisted into morbid fascination with how badly they'll shit their own bed next. I did play Vampire by way of B&S for a long span of time last year, but even though I was originally very optimistic for them, I gradually found the GMC's new rules (such as for aspirations, beats, etc.) to be an extremely clumsy attempt to encourage player action which ultimately merely incentivizes nonsensical play - at times even amidst skillful players - in pursuit of that next beat.

I have never been more disappointed, jaded, and fed up with White Wolf's material than I am now. And judging by McFarland ditching the forums after the wave of criticism following Promethean 2e, I'm not alone.

>I have never been more disappointed, jaded, and fed up with White Wolf's material than I am now
So you stick around to pester the rest of us who aren't whiny little shits that unironically complain about the "tumblr mentality"?

Is there no better use for your time than hanging out in the discussion thread for a constellation of games you seem to loathe?

Like, I don't deliberately go put myself into conservative spaces and then shout about how much I hate them, nor do I find myself lingering in, say, Fallout generals, because I hate those games. I can't imagine dedicating any amount of time to surrounding yourself with works and fans of those works that you seem to disagree with on every level.

Yet you go with a known identity into Veeky Forums, knowing fully that your opinion will be met with hatred by default because of it.

I wear a trip because the threads used to regularly devolve into accusing each other of me and I'd sooner folks filter my ass than let that shit happen again.

At least you're rational about it. Unlike some posters. That think we should have to 'deal with them whether we like it or not'

The answer to should I burn it? and Does the thing harm humans? Are the same

That's really sad. You're experiencing apophenia. She wrote one of those lines. She didn't write the other. And in the other book you referenced without actually quoting, she wrote only a very small handful of words.

If you think I ruined Shadowrun's War!, I must have done a heck of a job, since I wrote maybe 3% of the final words in the book.

So, okay, is anything about mpreg supposed to enhance the cogency of your point somehow?

Why're you feeling pestered?

Forgive the blogpost faggotry, but if you want me to explain myself further, the nWoD is something I continue to like - in its 1e incarnation. It and its predecessor are gamelines I spent a lot of time with. And it's been depressing to see nWoD slowly but surely go down the drain in the hands of people who don't seem to get it anymore (McFarland) or simply never did (Hill).
WoD always had its warts. It never really had a completely perfect edition. But there were times of true improvement. They got out of their silly misguided ruts of shit like
>the Rom vampire clan was a group of con artists and theives;
>the Middle Eastern vampire clan was a group of assassins;
>the Irish werewolf tribe was a bunch of violent drunks;
>the Native American werewolf tribes were a noble savage pastiche;
>the Nordic werewolf tribe was heavily involved with neo-nazi bullshit;
>the womyn's lib werewolf tribe was a bunch of castrating man-haters;
>Gypsy happened.
Most born of a mentality of inclusion, all utterly misguided caricatures. But WW overcame that. Even if the Revised edition played it so safe that it was less flavorful in places than 2e at its best, it managed to find some nuance in moderation. nWoD was supposed to be the culmination of what they'd learned, and while I started out a little lukewarm on it, by the time Promethean was released, I was coming around. Changeling was also excellent. nWoD really established itself. And now it feels like that's all been lost.
Perhaps it's wholly out of nostalgia on my part, but OPP started great with the WoD20 gamelines. V20 and W20 were incredibly faithful and paid good attention to where Revised tripped while retaining its good points (often via copypaste, granted). I was genuinely excited for GMC.
But the writing has declined.
The mechanics have declined.
ChroD is hopeless.

I don't give in to the demands of terrorists.

Plus, you know, it was already ruined by being Shadowrun.

I figured that was a given.

>So, okay, is anything about mpreg supposed to enhance the cogency of your point somehow?
This might surprise you, but sometimes weird shit like that is actually related to the game.

>Forgive the blogpost faggotry, but if you want me to explain myself further, the nWoD is something I continue to like - in its 1e incarnation. It and its predecessor are gamelines I spent a lot of time with. And it's been depressing to see nWoD slowly but surely go down the drain in the hands of people who don't seem to get it anymore (McFarland) or simply never did (Hill).
Oh come off it. 1e had a shitload of horrible bullshit that you're going to just ignore because "they changed it now it sucks". The writing didn't decline, and neither did the mechanics. You're just set in a weird nostalgia filter. Do I need to start pulling shit from 1e? I already showed you that MPreg existed there.

>Why're you feeling pestered?
Because you come into the thread and do nothing but bitch about how bad the game is.
You add nothing. I'm sure someone will call me a shill, but I actually enjoy things, and it pisses me off to hear people bitch and moan without actually having anything meaningful to say. You complain about shit that either existed in 1e or is made so that people who aren't like you get to feel like the game is intended for them as well. Instead of finding things to like even if you don't like the whole thing, you just whine and complain and try to make everyone else as miserable as you are.

You are the worst kind of fan.

This is what oWoD fans sounded like in 2004.

Jump off a cliff, Aspel.

>warts
and the reason they don't lance the boils? is because you secretly love the caricatures and don't actually give a shit about the people they represent

he is right you know.......

>The writing didn't decline, and neither did the mechanics.
Not that guy. Mage 2e finally made me give up on OPP except for Vampire. Rose seems to have her shit together.

I loved the GMC update. Pretty much everything it changed was an improvement. Vampire 2e was great, too. But it was missing some rules, referenced a couple that didn't exist. It wasn't ideal, but it was workable. And when CofD core came out, most of the missing rules were now in place.

But every book since has included more and more missing rules and omissions. Now with Mage 2e, we have books that contradict themselves and other lines directly because the author doesn't give a shit about fitting in with the rest of the rule system and has said as much.

I'm not even talking about fluff, just mechanics. And I don't give a shit about the "Tumblr" stuff. It doesn't bother me. CofD has been a steady decline in the mechanics department.

Aspel is never right. it must be a clear identification. Those happen user

>I hate things that some people like but are not inclusive to X group of people!
>I love things that some people don't like but are inclusive to X group of people!
Nice doublethink

>sometimes weird shit like that is actually related to the game
It's honestly marginally easier to take seriously as a freaky ritual thing.
Still pretty needless.

>1e had a shitload of horrible bullshit that you're going to just ignore because "they changed it now it sucks".
I was very open to GMC and B&S until it just didn't work anymore and played like an unfun mess. It tries to conform the narrative itself too much to the mechanics rather than having the mechanics wholly devoted to serving the narrative. Even tearing out out the xp system, it became a problem when, say, the Nosferatu were all over the place with what abilities you need for rolls and what attributes you need to even be remotely effective, ending up more trouble than it was worth when the system was supposed to have achieved balance. And tearing out all the things connected to beats doesn't really work for all the gamelines when other aspects of the game itself are founded on those clunky systems.

>The writing didn't decline
>It’s freaky, it’s beautiful, and it’s a powerful show of how oppressive religions don’t always get the last laugh. Their cult is amazing. It prohibits violent death of any mortals, it focuses on bolstering the poor neighborhoods, and it’s basically the best thing to come out of Los Angeles. Folk Catholicism for the motherfucking win. This cult is more Carthian than LA’s entire piss poor Movement.
>the circle is prohibiting violent deaths
>The CIRCLE OF THE CRONE is against violent deaths
alrighty

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