/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

I'd be more interested in hearing about a non trans character out of you. Or one where their gender identity and/or sexual preference wasn't a defining trait, whether they're straight, gay, queer, bi, asexual, or what have you.

Aight, looks like I'll wait for 2e then. Here's hoping it comes out on schedule

Look to the last seven years of my roleplaying hobby, then. The Changeling I had so much fun with was a cis man, for instance.

Heaven forbid someone queer explore that space in their fiction.

What's WoD without gender-politic conflict?

Scion isn't absolute shit, mechanically. It just... It works best for a very VERY narrativist game - if you, as the storyteller, are looking at the mechanics to figure out what you can do, it's gonna suck.

If you, as the storyteller, are making everything up by the seat of your pants, and let the players bullshit their actions through ("I climb the rampaging stone hellbeasty using divine balance and pull the cursed sword animating him out of his belly" "Roll a clinch to pull it out."), while you wear a shit-eating just as planned grin every time they figure a way out of something you had no idea about, then it'll be amazing.

My play group still insists that cows all praise Aten, after wrangling Pan/Satan into submission by rounding up the cattle of the damned.

Basically, Scion 1 is a basic premise and a vague framework on which to hang your stories. Storyteller is the best possible name for the guy running the show. Acknowledge that premise and don't get hung up, mechanically, on anything. Not even Fertility. Or anything else that should be good but came out as crap.

Scion 2e looks like it'll be nice, but I've seen white wolf fuck obvious things up before, so I'm not holding my breath.

forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/werewolf-the-forsaken/426076-sell-me-on-the-tribes
you don't seem to want to be sold

Honestly everytime I picture the writers for WoD I see Hellsing abridged Rip Van Winkle..

That's because nWoD messily divorced werewolves from their previous social metaphors.

>Mage_Master_Race.jpg

Hey, of course you can explore it. But it's also all you talk about.

>talk about history as fertile ground for roleplaying and narrative, and viewing both CofD and other gamelines through the lens of numerous time periods
>talk about my fondness for the metaphors I see within Wraith and Changeling, and how the themes in those and other games resonate with me
>shitpost in damn near every single thread about whatever comes up
>mention being trans and wanting similar characters
>WOW DO YOU EVER SHUT UP ABOUT GENDER STUFF

>How often does combat occur in your games?
Like once every two months in the Beast game I'm in.

Homoerotic fanfiction?

I could see it working as a social metaphor for gang life. As far as personal horror goes, you're a threat to everything you love if you lose control and just by existing you put friends and family in greater danger of being fucked with by spirits.

>Obrimos
>Mage_Master_Race.jpg

Possibly, but not Obrimos after the abomination that is Forces and Prime in 2e.

Acanthus, on the other hand, with their new and improved Time and Fate, are in a class by themselves.

>Beast game
I'm sorry

If I change spell scale from number of subjects into area of effect and I fail the attack roll what happens? Does a magical shockwave go out that somehow misses everyone in the spell radius?

every few sessions at the very least in my hunter game. Sometimes as much as ever 4/5 sessions depending on how blood thirsty the group is. Some bad experiences have caused them to be far more cautious, they recently had their first death because they engaged two very tacticool pure with zero preparation.

>Prime
>being bad
wat?

Do you not know how to play blue?

All the arcana are hideously powerful if you get creative/sadistic.

I'd say it scatters in a random direction, like a grenade.

Less random if it was a spell with paradox on it, of course...

You forgot IGNORE ASPEL

It wasn't really that surprising, given that she had Cheap Shot to remove Defence, martial arts to increase damage, and a Forces 2 spell to give +Potency in damage to her unarmed attacks.

And the "guy", this being 1860 in the middle of London, had no armour.

So how common are proximi supposed to be?
Every time I think of using one as a GM I keep thinking they're supposed to be rare.
But if they're basically artificial half-awakened which can be passed down biologically, wouldn't it make sense for them to be quite populous?

And have it blow up in your face if you get a dramatic failure.

I think of them as the 'middle management' of awakened society. Uncommon but you're not really surprised to see one.

On this note I kind of wish someone could sell me on mage the awakening and beast, I like the prospects of both but I feel like I'm missing something and its driving me nuts

user is not speaking about your posting habits. user is speaking of your characters.

>I want to play a gay/trans man

is different in outlook and emphasis to

>I want to play a locksmith

Locksmith implies a certain skillset and outlook. Anyone can be gay or trans, it doesn't explain anything about them. Saying otherwise perpetuates ugly stereotypes about queer folk.

>he's gay, so obviously he has four dots in Crafts (Interior Design) and Addiction and Bad Childhood as flaws.

Mage only clicked for me after I read their historical settings, Mage Noir and To The Strongest. Maybe try that?

And again, I've never played a trans character except for maybe one elf who had a weird thing with ancestor worship.

WTF Thyrsus

>mention being trans and wanting similar characters
Yes and I want to play characters with IBS

>Martial Arts
>1800
It better be Bartitsu

I want to play a schizophrenic with dubious hygiene and co-morbid drug problems. I don't get enough of that in my everyday life, as a schizophrenic with dubious hygiene and co-morbid drug problems. I personally feel that Onyx Path doesn't do enough to raise awareness and FORCE inclusion in every LGS of people with serious mental illnesses and equally serious substance abuse problems.

That period saw an enormous surge in popularity of women fighting in underground bare-knuckle boxing matches around the north and north-east. It was not unheard of for the rougher women of that age to beat the piss out of larger men. Unladylike, perhaps, but who cares about propriety when there's a pot of 3 guineas?

...What kind of drugs are you on?

Onyx Path aren't even really progressive. They're fucking fascist pigs for not even thinking of that. And it's called a STORYTELLING game people, don't have fucking stupid rules and setting shit when you should be telling me how to storytell, or mocking dirty reactionaries.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu
>Not using Sherlock Holmes Martial Art
Also you better do more old timey boxing stuff, trips, headlock throws, dirty boxing, they even used to kick.

Resperidone, Cipramil, Epilim because my doctor is a pusher. Alcohol, Cannabis, handfuls of hallucinogenic mushrooms and 30+ cups of coffee a day for recreation. I tried speed but it turned my brain to broken glass and the comedown lasted a full day of pain and anger. I managed to quit cigarettes, pretty proud of that.

I'm only small time compared to some other patients I've known. One guy hot-knifed valium pills and started hearing God, so he ended up in the room next to me. I met another guy who'd been on the Methadone program for 16 years, but shhhh don't tell the Health Minister.

dailymotion.com/video/xubhxl_fight-club-a-history-of-violence_sport

This is relevant. It's narrated by Sean Bean, and, spoiler, he survives to the end.

>Cannabis
>I managed to quit cigarettes, pretty proud of that.

hmm...

Nah, it's a good thing. Cutting your weed with tobacco is like adding horse manure to your chocolate, destroying flavour and enjoyment just in order to make it stretch further. Too many bogans walk around screeching
>I'M GONNA SMASH SOME CUNT IF I DON'T GET A CONE
...when in reality, their bodies are crying out for the nicotine they mix with. Unable to recognise the true source of their discomfort, they conclude that Cannabis is "addictive" and they are experiencing "withdrawal".

Far, far worse are the Bogans who "pep it up a bit" by spraying insecticide on their Cannabis.

>I call it Venom, man, coz once it bites ya, ya throw up

>spraying insecticide on their Cannabis.

See, that's something they could have published rules for if they just cut out all those stupid sidebars. Things that are real. Things that are street. I bet they haven't even published rules for being intoxicated on Lean, despite it being one of the most popular recreational substances in America.

>women fighting in underground bare-knuckle boxing matches

please do explain this one. I have need for academic research purposes

fightland.vice.com/blog/gussie-freeman-slasher-of-the-ropewalk
Trying to find this other article about a fight that went on for over 100 rounds

Ah here it is.
fightland.vice.com/blog/death-in-the-ring-a-120-round-grudge-match-ends-in-horror
Old timey boxing was a rough time.

>Anyone can be gay or trans, it doesn't explain anything about them. Saying otherwise perpetuates ugly stereotypes about queer folk.
>he's gay, so obviously he has four dots in Crafts (Interior Design) and Addiction and Bad Childhood as flaws

And, of course, the character is absolutely *fabulous*!

The Gay is a walking stereoty- I mean, "Archetype", so he's also going to need a small white dog and a large home containing large amounts of male torso busts. He trained to be a Gay for a long time, his father was a Gay and taught him all their mystical arts before he was defeated in battle by Bulldyke, the last of the wereaurochs, at the Shrine of The Celestial Rainbow on top of Stonewall Mountain. The Pekinese has his own stats, as well as a tragic backstory - he watched his own parents get burned alive in front of him by an outlaw motorcycle gang, and he turned to a life of dogfighting in order to survive, and grow stronger. He has joined the Gay in order to help him defeat the Burning Ring Motorcycle Club. Together they quest for a really good nightclub that serves a decent daiquiri and has a dealer who doesn't think Mitsubishi is a type of car, do you dig me girlfriend? Mmmmmm-hmmmmm.

Check out the documentary mentioned above;

>dailymotion.com/video/xubhxl_fight-club-a-history-of-violence_sport

It is as it sounds. Fight Club, but with pissed off Celtic women in long skirts beating the living shit out of each other. Men screaming in tongues. Fried chicken smell of sweat. Ooh, and they served beer.

A more civilized time. I'd be proud if any of my daughters could break a cunt's jaw.

Awakening is X-Files/Kolchak the Night Stalker cryptobullshit conspiracy horror, only you can make reality floob.

Speaking of Awakening, are these house rules I found any good? The Proximi thing seems clever, but I'm not sold on the Yantra system

docs.google.com/document/d/1bpr1EjQ4RfZ5dz-tXmJJ93P2f_l7fUIUwpPLWs9Z-SI/edit#

I feel like you're looking at the setting wrong, but basically says everything I would.

How did 2e not go far enough? What you're doing seems to be completely ignoring that and tossing it out, which is just odd if you feel they didn't go far enough. The Tribes are pretty focused already, and the Sacred Prey aspect gives them a really good, narrow focal point as opposed to simply "adapting to technology" and "obsessing over territory". Werewolves can come up with new ways of looking at the world, sure, but that doesn't really preclude working in the Tribes.

>It also means humans spread to the far corners of the world, where werewolves undergo the First Change and there's no Pure to brainwash them nor Forsaken to teach them. This in turn leads to a huge rise in Ghost Wolf numbers.
If I'm not mistaken, a lot of them are brought around by the help of Spirits.

>Honestly I might take it even further and go with Pendragon's homebrew version of Tribes/Pure where he makes it so the Pure don't exist and Tribes are more akin to Protectorates/Small Wolfy Nations.
I haven't read it, but honestly that seems like a bad idea. Neat, sure, but infighting among the tribes makes it harder to play a group game. And there already *is* infighting among the tribes to begin with. I mean, look at Iraq.

There's the gang and cult stuff other people have pointed out, but there's also the rage. Forsaken is a game about rage and power, and letting that overtake you. Werewolves are also kind of workaholics. It's about balancing life and responsibility.
But even then, does it *need* to be a social metaphor? The personal horror comes in that you go insane and murder everything if you dip into your power too much, but if you don't dip into it, even more people might die. It has some of the most horrifying themes, because in Werewolf the monster is you.

I'm interested in hearing about a non-straight, non-white, non-male, non-cis character from user.

Why should someone have to play something they're not comfortable with just because you feel "queer" is too much of a type but have no problem with other labels?

>Anyone can be gay or trans, it doesn't explain anything about them. Saying otherwise perpetuates ugly stereotypes about queer folk.
Yeah, I'm sure you're so concerned about that.

Jakki is clearly in whatever the trans equivalent of babydyke mode is, but seeing people act like that's badwrong is so fucking frustrating. Oh no, someone wants to use RPGs to explore aspects of their identity in a safe space (tw: I said "safe space"), that's terrible. Her characters aren't just The Gay, it's a defining trait in a specific way, that informs their identity. I would much rather see someone who's mythical resonance is that they reinterpret a myth as a transgender narrative over "well, he's really good at picking locks".

Especially when as this very conversation shows it's almost impossible for disenfranchised minorities to divorce their status as minorities from their lives. Straight people get to bring their Straightness everywhere, but no one else does.

...

As someone who knows what a Kimura is supposed to look like, that terrible technique triggers me.

>using assassins creed to showcase some historical event/technique

Thats like asking a hipster in a Che Guevara t-shirt for a fair and balanced overview of communism

>Anyone can be gay or trans, it doesn't explain anything about them.

This.

Not because 'oh noes trans' or ''oh noes cis', bt because it really isn't as important as who and what the character is as a person who is stuck in this world with these powers is.

Like the guy who was honking his horn at the gay guys kissing. Their response?
"What, you cant handle two guys kissing?"
"NO, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GODDAMN ROAD!"

Sometimes it really isn't about your sexuality.

>Alcohol, Cannabis, handfuls of hallucinogenic mushrooms and 30+ cups of coffee a day for recreation. I tried speed but it turned my brain to broken glass and the comedown lasted a full day of pain and anger.
Have you considered possibility that the sorry state you are in is caused by your retarded lifestyle?

Personally I don't like it. There are completely unnecessary changes, some of which make Mages even stronger.

I'm not sure it's supposed to be one.
user, it's a gif of a woman bareknuckle boxing in a discussion about women doing that thing. Also, that shirt isn't part of your capitalist system, MAN, he made it himself.

Except that it kind of is? Again, it's pretty much impossible to get away from being a minority in this world. You can make jokes about people kissing in the middle of the road, but gays get shit on wherever they kiss. People get harassed. There are married couples afraid to hold hands in public. You can argue "that's not important", but I'm flat out going to tell you that you're wrong. That people can't be open about who they are is massively important.

Shit, look at the Goddamned Overwatch Christmas comic. People flipped their shit because a character is a lesbian. It wasn't even a major aspect of her, but people still flipped out. But no one flipped out that Widowmaker was in a heterosexual marriage. No one cares that Mercy is hetero.

And, to bring this back around
>because it really isn't as important as who and what the character is as a person who is stuck in this world with these powers is.
Not only can gays be people stuck in this world with these powers, the character concept that set user off is literally focused on her powers. It's a reimagining of a traditional male fertility God as a transwoman.

It's already a character that's more creative and interesting compared to "I'm a Scion of Thor and I shoot lightning and punch things".

>Che
>A real communist
Fucking moderate

So she's Kuan Yin. That's totally creative.

Of course, if you actually knew your shit, you would have known Kuan Yin was originally a male deity of war, who became the goddess of mercy after Buddha enlightened him.

Yeah, totally creative and unique transwoman deity you have there.

Well, except for Vishnu, Ishi Kore Dome, Inari (yet another transgendered fertility deity), and Ananda.

>but people still flipped out
I'd argue that's mostly because a shitload of porn suddenly became canon-breaking.

>Stalin
>A real communist
Authoritarian state capitilism is about as far from communism as you can get.

>abloobloo
You're sort of undoing your own argument there, aren't you? Also, Kuan Yin is a completely different thing. Jakki's concept is more "Osiris as trans narrative", not completely changing the nature of Osiris.
Although frankly with the whole "no dick" thing it comes off better as a transman narrative if you ask me.

Maybe we should all become trans, that way we won't have these discussions ever again

If there was a proper way to do so completely, reverse it flawlessly, and it was cheap, I'd honestly probably try, just to see what it's like.

Not really. Just pointing out that the 'totally unique thing of being a trans-demigod' isn't unique at all, and it doesn't make the character a better character, nor, as you just proved yourself, is it the most important aspect of the character, or even a relevant aspect of the character compared to the fact they are a child of Osiris re-imagined as a fertility deity as opposed to a solar-rebirth deity.

You could completely skip the transgender part and make the character concept clear without it.

Only fucking bourgeoisie scum say Stalin isn't a communist. He was a communist to heart, and slaughtered the dirty capitalists and reactionaries like the scum they are.

You're a fucking traitor to the worker's plight.

If there were a completely reversible and cheap (and painless) way to change physical features period, everyone would try it.
That's how you get the fall of Rapture.

No one said it was totally unique. I said it's more interesting than a typical Scion-as-action-hero concept.
Also, Osiris was a fertility deity, wasn't he? Either way, the "my dick is gone" God being reimagined as a transwoman is more interesting than Bulk Meatslab.

>Capitalism is okay if I do it
Call me when the working class actually matters.

>IGNORE X

he's starting to shit up the thread again, notice?

No, he was not a fertility deity, he was a rebirth deity based on the rising and setting of the sun. And the legends is that his penis is the last part of his body, but it was lost after Set cut him to pieces and scattered them. Isis could not find it, as it was washed down the Nile.

So even less imaginative than you thought it was to begin with.

>Have you considered possibility that the sorry state you are in is caused by your retarded lifestyle?

Have you ever considered my retarded lifestyle might be caused by the sorry state of my mental health?

Oh, I'm sorry, did you think all those homeless people in New York that stand on street corners screeching about the aliens were doing that for tax purposes? Mental illness has comorbidity with a range of poor lifestyle choices. You'd know that if you weren't so gloriously sheltered over the realities of mental health. Good day.

>I'm a Scion of Thor and I shoot lightning and punch things, and by the way, I'm kind of gay

Is still way better than

>I'm GAY and a Scion of Thor

And we are back to mage supremacy.

Seers of the throne in my game are stirring some shit with vamps. In more detail Praetorians are going to slap ordo dracul because one of the players bumped by accident into some mage bs. So I see the consensus is that everyone who gets into conflict with mages is boned so I guess I would have to do some houserulling to level out the playing ground.

But is it really so? If Seers would start pumping more stuff into the fight and other covenants would get invested how would you guys play it out? I'm not planing to have full out war of course

The vamps are dead, all the vamps are dead

Explain the following, using Mage. GO

youtube.com/watch?v=2cXDgFwE13g

>Speaking of Awakening, are these house rules I found any good?
No.

If the Pentacle find out about it, they might decide to offer the Vamps some help, as they've discovered another Seer power play and want to ruin their plans wherever they can.

Pretty much this

Ech why?

Yeah been thinking about it. Wouldn't such conflict be a great chance for pentacle to knock seers down few pegs without exposing themselfs?

>knock seers down few pegs without exposing themselfs?
Precisely.
Throw a few enhancement spells at some Vampires, tell them not to show them off in front of non-Vamps.
Ask them to get some bio-matter from some targets for some sympathetic links.

They're in deep, but you can at least give them a fighting chance without risking your own safety.

Also aren't seers internal conflicts full of opportunities for vamps to exploit? I would assume average seers is ready for spirit/mage conflict but when presented with idea that maybe I should knife my superior when everyone is focused on something else he would consider it without noticing that idea isn't his?

They're less interesting in working with Vampires on a more equal footing though.
Seers are almost universally backstabbing slavemasters who would sell their own mother for another couple of points of tass.

I mean, if one thought he could get ahead by backstabbing his boss though, and get away with it, he might help the Vamps.

I'm searching for a system where the players can all play as lolis. How well does WoD work for that?

Pic tangentially related.

Well mages are not somehow immune to dominate or majesty. Sure you probably would have to work hard to have pentacle mage sell out his cabal but as you say seers have very different work ethics.

"OI I should totally damage wards Warmaster set in place"
"Great job priscus! :O"
"I haven't done anything yet...:O"

They have some very effective means to resist dominate or majesty, though.

>Well mages are not somehow immune to dominate or majesty.
No, but they are quite resistive, given both their Power Stat, and defensive powers.

It would be silly if they didn't have those means. It's not like this things should work flawless used on other supernaturals.

But again I'm not big on mage supremacy as I said so I will still probably have to use every kind of whitstand/paradox mechanic in the books to hose them

Indeed, first thing you should do when you know Mages are after you, is mortal-up.

This

The only people that really give a shit about anyone's sexuality are cigfags and moralfags. In a world of privacy and personal freedom,, people REALLY don't give a shit about what you do aslong as it doesn't effect themselves.

Give me a good reason why I shouldn't erase the World of Darkness from existence.

>"What will you do now, Mage, when I'm wearing a suit of armor MADE FROM THE MOST IGNORANT SLEEPERS! Mwahahahahahaha!"

Doing that'll probably take CofD out of existance with it, but I figure most people will call that a fair deal.