Veeky Forums, wanna help me come up with a chart o' devil-things?

I read that as 'being' the first time.
About the same, really.

>what do you not want to walk in on your infernal boss doing

In the middle of a shower.

Might be an idea, though a little too specific. General grooming, perhaps, might work. If you're a devil, what do you let do your hair and feathers?

I need to sleep and my warlock is probably on shift for another six hours or so. NIghty, Veeky Forums.

>Posts Female Succubi Cleric of Wee Jas
>Evil
Wee Jas a qt, and the only thing that makes her evil is that she doesn't give a crap about life or death, Strong Neutral minor Evil.
Also smart enough to hide her power level

That said, here, have some higher Res.

Ah bugger, I was gonna give you a bigger version of "Back from the Wars by Kieran Yanner" but the stupid site detects your second post as a duplicate despite the differences in Res.

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But you already have a chart right there!

So what do you need help with?

Well of course after all:
>Devils have nothing but muh hellfire and shitty classes that will never top Thrall to demon PrC's and benefits given
>Assman and Ahriman eating atheist souls to regen wounds and -SOMEHOW- make an alliance with the Abyss to attack heaven
>Entire species can easily be subverted if anyone get's their hands on a devils reproductive organs which are the only part of their bodies that are physical
>Fuck over their clients
>Almost no one ends up a devil, and has no memories from previous life thanks to being tortured into lemures in a bizarre mixture with a subverted Baatorian Lifecycle which they never fixed

Meanwhile in the Abyss:
>Once home to Lloth before deific status
>Home to a batshit insane monkey that will one day become a major threat if it ever gathers enough level 20 Fleshcrafters by fusing it's heads together
>Home to at least 2 Outer gods, and 1 Great Old one
>Home to the God of vampires who is also a metaphor for the dangers of race-mixing
>Home to the guy who may/may not have caused the condition of undeath by casting a spell that killed everyone on his native plane, ended up in the abyss and became a Demon Lord, and then became a god when a god killed him, killed the god of order, and gave it all up because it wasn't under his namesake, surviving a Sphere of annihilation to the face because his wand was still intact, and said god still exists as a vestige and would be a deity if he ever gave enough of a shit
>Home to a Demon Lord that is literally one clause away form being a devil, in that he will not admit to having any WEAKNESSES, also master finger-blaster of cosmic female domination and BLACKED porn-shoots planeswide
>Home to the manifestation of mankinds primal fear when we just got out of the Elder thing laboratories after the Shoggoth rebellion
>Home to A soul eating elf monstrosity that Malar pops in the material plane ever century or 20 years or so.
>Baphomet with Gains

The abyss is this fucking cool.

Oh right:
>Grazz't Demogogron and Orcus having phat Kaju Musclemen fights every other day with Grazz't Sandwiched between them
>Malcanthet and her Husband, master of Incest and Tabboo's
>Big fat ObrintyhYuan-ti elder Evil that made the first heretic ever
>Infinite Liches on Orcus's side, which he doesn't just bash together because again, kinda lazy, and hands out Deathknighthood like candy, only issue is the fucked up incidental necrophilia and homosexuality and Poz culture in his kingdom

I'd give Yeengohu a mention, but Orcus is going to fist his wand so far up his ass and split him in two that it makes him a wife that pegs him for taking the Ghoul king away,

The Azazel series from Isaac Asimove had two lines in each stories about where the daemon was when he was invoked.
I remember three situations: being in a bath (midly annoyed), in bed with two girls (very sad), and about to pay a restaurant bill at the end of a dinner with friends (ecstatic).
Look it up, tit a good book if you like "wishes gone wrong" stories or Asimov.

If I recall, Erinyes are highly involved in the Blood war, and when pregnant literally return home to take the kid to term and are highly protective of their young, even going as far as to die for them.

She's usually involved in combat, Reconnaissance, direct assassination or mildly specific tasks I think? She's probably the sort who was either made to contract with you under orders of a superior, or she has need of someone on the material plane in her line of work or, you're a mere distraction for her that she isn't happy with, which might play to your favour, if she doesn't arrange your expiry of her own accord.

It's best to have things revolve around proving yourself us full to her position. I.E Give her the neat super evil sword or Fiend-biding item which she can use.

My bad, senpai. She is pretty qt. Succubi in modest clothing are underrated.

It's got issues. I think the 'battle' sections need more life and variety to them (and may be too large) and I'm certainly missing some circumstances that would be appropriate/fun to have on the list.

3.x or Pathfinder setting?

And MALCANTHET A SHIT. A SHIT.

That's my understanding, but also that they're relatively sophisticated for devils, having mental stats above 'mane' and having concerns beyond 'inflict pain' and 'don't get pain inflicted'. In this case, I'm thinking she serves as a low-level member of the general staff for her infernal duke and low-mid level commander. And as a result of her officework requirements, winds up doing things off the battlefield more than usual.
Don't ask about her children.

Forgot my image. Why even bother?

That sounds pretty amusing. Are daemons actually, you know, manifestations of religious evil or whatever, in those books?

It's 3.5 I'm on about, mostly.
I swear to fuck Iggliv and Grazz't have the most fucking anime of pictures.

Is Grazz't demon or devil?

Also, what kind of differences are there between 3.x and pf, if you know? I'm ostensibly doing PF, but I'm far more familiar with 3.x from ye olde Hordes of the Underdark and general trash tie-in-fiction I read as a kid.

So, ruthless business woman like in The Devil Wears Prada?

Azazel is more like an alien from another dimension than an evil entity.

I haven't seen it, but probably? You got your politicking, your backstabbing, your literal murder, not to mention getting demoted is beyond absurdly unpleasant in its own right, even before you take into account all the former peers who would now be above you, and all the former inferiors who would now be equal to you. Doubleplusungood.

I'm short on proper Erinyes pictures, but we are talking winged ex-angel.

Ex-angel also probably having a bit of an effect on their position and outlook in the infernal bureaucracy.

Why did they fall in D&D ?

Aren't they supposed to be the descendants of fallen angels, too ?

A Demon, who for all intents and purposes would probably be devil if not for the whole "never admits a weakness" thing. Probably.

As for differences between PF and 3.5- well, quite a bit, but mainly-
>PF has the rights the Lovecraft's works, and has used them thusly, unlike TSR-WOTC who have been butthut about it since 1e, and never stopped dropping "Totally not expanding a Lovecraft mythology by proxy here guise" thing, they've been hiding all sorts of little tidbits in their stuff, but it amounts to Good evil, Law and Chaos somehow keeping Lovecraft's nihlistic uncaring entities out, because they're babby versions of the concepts involved, that, and there is actually use of a fucking Elder Sign (which no one has figured out the other uses for it, which would probably result in the endgame of all things) and if anything does get through, it usually ends up a what is was, but it adheres to being Phenomenally cosmic because it's so evil, and ends up an Aberration or Elder Evil classed monster.

>3.5 still has a large variance of 2e content that followed up, but not all of it got it's due, and some of it was left ambiguous, or was barely mentioned, the entire edition was caused by Veca getting into Sigil and wrecking shit
>Asmodues is much, much much, more of a total evil non-sympathetic threat out to wreck everyone's shit
>Vampires had thing long term heirachy that never followed up because on both a written and physical level, it was left obscure, which lead to it being forgotten in 4e where they made orcus the BBEG poster boy in order to compete with PF and shafted Liches and Vampires alike to "Super sterotypical evil".
>Deities secretly can avoid consequences of actions that would otherwise shift alignment, and domains actually rape the fabric of reality, so catastrophic deity-death events are simply things going back to normal, but it doesn't look that way to everyone else involved
>Demon Lords get a single divine rank
>You can steal divine magic

Some are explicitly supposed have fallen when the devils/lucifer/whateverthefuck descended to colonize Baator and have been there effectively forever. In practice, I like to assume that it's not so cataclysmic a process inherently, and it can happen in smaller numbers... not commonly, but not impossibly rare either.

Still, even if she's relatively 'new', she's been there for several mortal lifetimes. And not the shortlived mortals either...

I assume the Fall has to do with what they were originally angels of and what proved their tragic flaw/weakness/obsession. Or even simply their deity being slain.

>The Negative Plane of energy has a strongly implied default will of it's own, manifested as a Necromanctic intelligence, a similar concept shown with nature in the NWN1 campaign, except, instead of a Nature deer that controls a forest from it's own tiny plane, there's an asshole sky skeleton pressing buttons which summon undead like a fucking Tycoon manager.
>3.5 introduced a lot of hit and miss classes and PrC's, some things are good, some aren't some are awful, some allow for cheese and munchkining, and some were good but were done better in future systems and iterations
>Getting BTFO of reality, killed so hard you can't ever come back, or somehow fail to fit the narrative of good, evil, law, chaos, or neutrality, you get ejected from the universe and end up a vestige, a lingering spirit outside of active cosmology between every other reality that would otherwise be accessible via Yog-sothoth issued travel, only summonable via Binders, people who make a piss-easy contract with you and you give them power relating to who you were in life before you broke the rules too hard.
>Yog-sothoth is one of these, under the name Otiax, the Gate, and long story short if a binder fucks summoning him he'll feel the uncontrollable urge to open gates, which I might mention the Vestige allows you to Open up ANYTHING, (provided they're the required level) namely, the way to the far realm, which if occurs creates a permanent connection between NOPE and the current cosmology, making it a part of it, and probably letting all the horrible eldritch bullshit in. That, or freeing Thraizduin and blowing up said reality in the process.
>All of ravenloft is not present for 3.5, We got a redo of the original 1e adventure, the Demiplane of dread and it's current status are caon as confirmed in Dragon magazine, but nothing was actually published for it, Sword and Sorcery did their own update of sorts, but it's sort of incomplete.

>The actual thing that makes something undead outright is the connection to the plane of negative energy
>Half-undead are possible, usually the result of offspring being born between the period of time taken to the connection to the plane, and their are two types of half-vampire that can come of this.
>Undead Qualities can be acquired through a foreign school of necromancy, and this is shown in a number of classes, templates and lore in 3.5, even Orcus has this feature, in that he switches from a skull-headed undead-like form to his regular one since he came back from the dead as Tennebrous (though this is not statted, and it fucking should be)
>A large number of Demon Lords, cults, deties and Domains are distributed in Dragon magazines or other forms of material and web enhancements, some technically overwrite others, such as the Dragon magazine entry on Dagon, who is a Demon Lord but without the Deep one Fishing town eugenics program going on.

Thank you. I'm running mountains of madness + darkest africa + chelish cultists in Golarion, so any kind of cosmological briefing is helpful and useful for me.

>tfw qt Erinyes spawn

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Here's a link to almost all the D&D stuff ever, and a way to find what you want from the Dragon magazines.

dnd.rem.uz/Dragon Magazine/251-300/
aeolia.net/dragondex/

For Far Realm stuff, you'll want DM330, Lords of Madness, Elder Evils, the Illithad, and maybe some other stuff, like a revised version of the Alienist class (3.5 unearthed arcana) I once found that made it like Bloodborne Insight progression

>>Home to a batshit insane monkey that will one day become a major threat if it ever gathers enough level 20 Fleshcrafters by fusing it's heads together
Now this is cool. Details?

It's demogogron.

Thank you m80. Bookmarked.

Oh right, and Manuals of the planes.

For a bit more, there was some Far realm stuff in 4e, and it was covered a bit in the 4e comics, namely relating to an entity from the Far Realm, not much on him, but the context in which it was summoned may be used as campaign or Alienist related ritual material in what it offers as an outsider.

That comic was so good.

Read the Forgotten Realms comics, they're canon, funny as fuck, and reaction image goldmine material

This is a Lich that goes around marrying women and trapping them in ice.

I need to find this.

Wait till you see the one with the Jester's or the fact that Khelben Blackstaff is terrified of Lawyers.

There's also a paladin that 1v1's a Red Dragon and goes full blown PURGE AND CLEANSE PURGE AND CLEANSE. And is an ex-alcoholic, the sluttiest elf in the universe so slut she was originally two slut elves and since merging into one OC DONUT STEEL has somehow fucked literally everyone and it's the main explanation for all of her contacts and resources at her disposal.

Even the Dwarf wants to fuck her.

There's also a batshit insane Cultist who kills dragons to summon the classic gobblemonster Tarrasque, when it looked less like godzillatourtle and more like some animatronic from an 80's-90's horror movie

>Home to the God of vampires who is also a metaphor for the dangers of race-mixing

Who is this? I thought Orcus bestowed vampirism

Kanchelsis. AKA the dark secret of the Seldarine. Elven gods trying to mix with a human creator god spawned him. He's the god of vampires.

Once upon a time, when the deities made the individual races that made the planes, they took a piece of themselves and let it trickle down to the plane Material and make races, of course, they tended to this.

Then the Seldarine got around to it.
And did exactly what you'd expect. Fuck all.

Except, this is the censored version, they didn't just take a piece of the themselves, they used their blood.

So the seldarine let their blood trickle down to the mortal planes to make the races that are as they are now, and left it be instead of tend to it.

Said blood Either:
Fucked off and mixed with the blood of men-
Fucked off and an unnamed Elder Evil fucked with it-
And made the Vamprie God Kanchelsis, a metaphorical combination of Elven stuff and Human stuff, except all bad.

So, the God of Vampires was born, and all vampire ancestry barring Kassian and Moonbane Vampires originate form him.

As the god of CE Vampires, Kanchelsis does fuck all but live on his layer of the Abyss, the layer of the mansion and the rake with his pet blood fiends, and made 0 attempt to angst out on the elves for making him a bastard they then later covered up and blamed on mankind, then hid altogther.

Kanchelsis has two forms, the Rake, which is a charming Human or half-Elf male into the arts and all that shit, and the Fucking Beast, which represents everything CE about vampires.

Kanchelsis has little impulse control, switching between these two forms often, and his abyss layer is home to Blood Drinkers, who are as equally as fucking lazy as he is.

The Vampires that "worship" him (pay begrudging respect) Are the Order of the Eclipises, a group of vampires that have actually been around more than 100 years, and get Ravenloft Age Category benefits because of it, with the high prist, Vlad Totenkov Ploughing Lloths spider-hole on his own private demiplane.

Kanchelsis likes to whisk his servants, starve them in his house, and turn into the beast and chase them around for sport.

So the "Religious Order" that worships Kanchelsis is basically a fangroup that just wants to Camarilla, but the alignment system and their god's utter laziness won't let them, they're also effectively a group of Tsukihime Dead Apostle Personality Esque vampires around the Ancient age category to emminent and Patriarch.

Even in 3.5 where he was barely mentioned he went fro intermediate deity to Demigod, something that was either a typo, or a direct indication of Ao's "Get faith or die" rule in place, or Orcus began subverting his domains around that point.

Also, Despite beign big daddy vampire, He isn't Caine Tier, he's I think a 20/Rogue/20Wiz and his only frightening part is he probably has Raveloft Age category benefits powers and his second form, in addition to a CON score, due to being a deity, which means weak Fortitude as a vampire isn't something you can put against him in a fight.

Additionally he may/may not be heavily involved in the Demiplane of Dread somehow, there's a race of living vampires referred to as Vampyres there you see, and the Vryylocka, another living species later brought back as Blood Elf living vampires made by a pact with a witch or some shit.

Lastly, on the Subject of D&D Vampirism before Orcus shafted it all- There's an indication they're the most OP things in the universe that would otherwise be a massive problem if not for their short lifespan due to being CE, because there was a Vampire Lord in a BG Ps2 game that Became as strong -AS- (keyword here) a Demigod, as the BBEG due to some Macguffin.

Thing is, when a vampire hits 1000 years of age, they get a second form to choose with their shapeshift ability, and by this age, they can once per day heal all damage (So literally Final Castlevania tier second form we're talkign here). The thing about this extra form ability? It's stated that it can BE ANYTHING
Demon Lord? Sure why Not? But you really wanna know why it's terrifying?
What happens if it picks Elder Evil?
Yeah, vampires are basically the anti-deity if they ever played it safe, but luckily their all batshit negative energy marauderer driven nutjobs who die quick, and their variants, bloodlines and strains are even less common than the stock

I should also mention it's a canon fact that D&D vampires actually aren't immune to the effects of aging, and there is a canon example of this being abused in Ravenloft (A vampire get's a ghost's aging touch to skip to beingas strong as an ancient) and it's mentioned by Van Richten, and in the Libris mortis in a very brief sense, (Said Canon example is contiuned into 3.5 because it was part of a questline that involved vampiric Illithid.)

Anyhow, the devs already began shafting this shit with the web release of the most undeserved broken shit-heap of template that was the Vampire Lord Template, before Orcus-cock suck came along and made it official (Probably utterly subverted Kanchelsis's shit by then).

Anyhow, if you want a list of all the things that'd make a vampire Epic level tiers of unbeatable:

>Is either a Greater Vampire or Terror Vampire (both can go out in sunlight, one is more limited but it has access to spell like abilities from all fucking levels of the Illusion school and is a nightmare from fright night effectively)
>Patriarch age- this means they're roughly as strong as demigods or worse, can dominate with their voices alone, and in mist form also possibly drain and a shitload of other nightmarish crap
>Owns a barony or kingdom (Vampires get fucking salient abilities by drawign in on leylines like a fucking Geomancer)
>If Second form is a Demon Lord, Demon, Or Elder Evil (They can grant Divine spellcasting so enjoy the vampire's private cult of clerics and warlocks)
>3 levels in Vampire Master, which make them have so much spawn it isn't even funny, nevermind the fact that age category powers can sometimes grant spawn up to level 2 spellcasting inherited from their master as innate abilities
>level 9 in lifedrinker (now has Bloodpool abilities)
>Whatever it's base class is

Oh right, and Spawn are effectively Inheriting from their master, they're literally also Epic-level threats to boot, so a vampire can effectively be something so powerful it could just Army of Doom someone.

Then you've got the fact that since Ghostwalk came about, Vampires get to make WOD tier ghouls, yes, that kind.

Now, whilst the Greater vampire is just the base vampire with Sunlight immunity at sealing it's base powers, there's nothing that say's it can't use it's inherited abilties or just cast darkness as wreck shit. The Terror one can only go out in sunlight for certain moments at a time.

So who would be the benchmark for Vampire power bullshit?

Luckily Pelor made a +2 dagger that makes a vampire Lose ALL IT'S FUCKING SPAWN if a vampire doesn't make a Will save, when he once popped down in 3.5 to rape a Vampire fuckcunt once upon a time.

There's also a Gae bolg made for vampires, clamps that when put on vampires prevents gaseous form, and killing them with them on is permadeath for them.

Luckily, most vampires do not get past or around to Strahd's age, (Ancient) or most sell out to Orcus and become vampires lords (My house rule is any vampire on this template cuts himself off from his birthright) and the patriarchs, according to one Van Richten fucking interviewed, are all stuck in the demiplanes of dread on account of being so fucking evil.

However, a vampire that figures out the aging cheat will probably get around to the Ancient or Emminent Age category, and then there's this technically counting as massive XP gain.

Luckily some vampires gain Salient weaknesses as they age, they might go insane before this comes to pass or become counter productively blood thirsty and get purged.

But to list encounters by variance:

Orcus:
Base vampire, Vampire Lord, Lifedrinker or Vampire Master Classes, Vamprie Spawn and Orcus's alleged Greater Vampire (I've only found once instance of Greater vampires and it's got fuck all to do with that fat fuck)

Vampire Variants presented in Libris mortis may be conditional for the kinds of people they suit, save for the savage vampire, which is literally just done again in the Bloodlines Dragon magazine vampire entry, PC's are likely to encounter them less frequently than the base MM Vampires, and with tailored class choices to their swapout abilities, though swarmform vampire is basically just a weaker excuse for using a vampire with the swarmshifter template applied.

On that note, Spellstiched vampires must only be base ones, there's no way of making variants save for how greater vampires come to be, which may be something you could include

Bloodlines vampires:Strictly for Epic level or around 15+ gameplay, these things are fucking powerhouse night mares

Kassian vampire: Rare random encounter, give barbarian, Berserker, or Blackguard class levels, possibly has a single apprentice, or is captured in a Vecna cult's lair waiting a sacrifice (see Vecna's cult in the Dragon magazine) pretty much attacks you just because.

Vampire Strains: Nosferatu, Vrryylocka, and Vampyres are limited to the Demiplanes of Dread, Racial Vampire strains might not be, but would be incredibly specific, (Elven vampires would be related to a druidic quest for example) usually relating to the race of vampire they are, situated near a community of said race, great way of fucking with players that don't know their own player race's culture, Asian vampires got a 3.5 update officially I think.

There's also a series of variations for an Ogre vampire in 1e, which should be converted, but basically the Orgre's batform is a massive fucking Owl, and food requirements are higher.

My compiling of vampire lore is still ongoing.

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