ITT: Times your players got out of hand

ITT: Times your players got out of hand.

Hey Veeky Forums I've got a story to tell, of why DM's should never threaten on the assumption players will just cave.

I run a DnD 5e campaign, pretty good players, they've been playing for a few months now. Anyway, At one point in the story, our Monk, normally a calm dude, Decided to Strip naked and fight a lesser boss while nude. It had been a long crawl, and he did it to get a good laugh out of the group, nothing major yet... until the next session.

See, our Bard began making fun of the Monk, for having a tiny dick. All fun and games, thought it was going to be a one-time joke, but no. No, he kept pushing it. Weeks later, the players are all arguing about dicks, so I, the Fed-up DM said "If you don't stop this arguing, I will literally make you roll for dick size!" In my mind, that threat alone should have stopped them.

It didn't.

(cont.)

So, they actually WANT to roll for it. I sigh, and flip a coin to decide if I'll really do it.

The coin says to do it. Peachy.

So, I tell each of them to Roll 1d6+1d4, and that's their dick size. The Bard rolls an 8, not bad. The Monk rolls a 6, Finally the argument can end. The poor Necromancer rolls a 4. The Warlock, however... His d4 rolled a 4, but his d6 did not properly land on a side. In my campaign, a failed dice roll invokes the Chaos diety, so I told him to pick heads or tails. He picked tails. Had it landed on heads, his d6 would have been replaced with a d4 instead, and had it landed on Tails, he would have rolled a d8.

It landed on tails.

Our Warlock, essentially a Slaanesh Cultist, had an 11 inch dick.

But wait, there was one more character in the party! The ninja girl.

(cont.)

Now, Clearly, the Ninja girl won't roll for Dick Size, so the Bard suggests, and the group agrees, that she roll for breast cup size instead.

A little background, This ninja girl is essentially a picture-perfect representation of a loli. A dark elf, Looking ~14 (accoding to the player), and her height the bare minimum to be considered medium.

So, we decided her player would roll a d4, with 1 being an A cup, and 4 being a D cup.

He rolled a 4, and didn't like it, so he tried to roll again and hide it.

He got another 4.

We all knew he rolled a 4, but he rolled again just to spite the die.

He got. another. 4.

The Loli of the group now canononixally had D-cup breasts, and I, the DM, sat over in my corner, sighing, head in hands, wondering what happened to my serious fantasy campaign.

*Canononically

>1d6+1d4
>not d20
DM confirmed for salty beta

To be fair, if the Bard got a 20 inch dick, we would never hear the end of it.

>inb4 "Took the b8"

Should've rolled for futa penis or clit length.

OP, it's so cute how this is the first time you've had players roll for dick size

You could have just said "He gets to decide the size if his dick, that's the end, stop arguing about it."

Fuck, why are 5e players such normies?

>le wacky dice rolz for silly stuff that makes me frustrated XD I'm so pissed lololil xD!

>letting your players decide their genetic benefits
user,that's literally what devices are for.

Almost 20 years of d&d playing.

Same group for last 8 years.

Times dick size came into the game? Zero.

Kill yourself op. Then kill your players. Hire a couple home depot mexicans to burn your bodies.

Imvhho

Monk actually suggested that. Don't know if he was joking or not. Obviously declined, by the other player.

>Hey Veeky Forums I've got a story to tell, of why DM's should never threaten on the assumption players will just cave.
You should never do anything on the assumption that someone will cave. If people call your bluff, you're fucked. You gotta commit to it. You gotta go full crazy.

"If you keep doing this, I am fully prepared to take us careening off the edge into fuckoff town."
You have no one to blame but yourself.

Still, good story, OP. 8/10.

>not rolling a d12 for dick size at the start of a new campaign
and that's how the party's autistic computer hacker PC gave a loli NPC a cervical impaction and earned the hate of all the NPCs

>Letting your players fuck little girls
Absolutely disgusting.

>letting
you're implying it wasn't rape because the PC is a piece of shit

Canonically!

>serious fantasy campaign
>with a dark elf loli ninja

Yeah let.

Like if rape is something that absolutely EVERYONE at the table is okay with and has explicitly confirmed with the GM, then maybe, MAYBE an evil PC gets to rape a full grown bandit with potentially severe in-game consequences, but a little girl? Never. The god of Maidens or Justice or just plain Not-Fucking-Little-Girls would descend from the heavens and smite the PC before he could so much as lift her skirt. And then I'd throw the asshole out of my house.

You. Do. Not. Let. Players. Fuck. Little. Girls.

You sound like a shit GM

>Shitty GM because he doesn't let players rape little girls.

I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why user might be a shitty GM, but not letting his players rape his NPCs sure as hell isn't one of them.

That's a pretty extreme reaction for something that isn't real. It would be better to let the player rape the not-real little girl and then have steep consequences for it in game, possibly culminating in the character being killed by bounty hunters or law enforcement.

But just insta-smiting the player and then just kicking him out is really just a dick thing to do. What if he's just roleplaying as a completely evil bastard? Alternatively if it's just magical realm shit you can just tell him to put a fucking lid on it.

Who is worse?

Subhumans that roll for dick size or the subhuman who still play with them?

You sound like an absolute bore to play with.

>Triggered

... I know that story.

I don't have stories for this. Because I'm the craziest player at my table, and I know how to reign myself in.

Usually when something goes awry, it's my fault, but I intentionally do it in ways that cause whatever it was to not spill out into a full-blown catastrophe.

When I GM, I am still the craziest player at the table. Everyone watches where they step because I'm absolutely not afraid for there to be actual, reasonable consequences for anything. I've even allowed players to make bad choices that fucked up the whole plot, worked out what happens next, and then let them fall into the absolutely godawful results.

You have to both be more logical and more of a madman than they are. They should be on their toes at least half of the time during the normal stuff, and then be afraid of flying too far off the handle for fear of what will be brought down on them if they do.

>serious game
>letting male player be a little girl

Yep, that's where you went wrong.

>Fantasy game
>Not allowed to be something you're not.

>Things user never said for $100, Alex!

If one is trying to run a serious game, one does not let adult males play little girls. It's just a recipe for disaster.

>Flip a coin to decide if I'll really do it.

Who are you, Two-Face?

Players can do what they want, but they're not above consequence. In the two times rape has come into play in the seven years I've been running games, the other PCs put the offender down very quickly.

Seriously, what did you expect would happen?

>potentially bad = always bad without exceptions

Don't think so chum.

>Same category for $200, please.

Of course it's not ALWAYS going to be bad, but the odds of it turning out that way are significant enough that it's not worth the risk.

Who plays with players who'd want to?

I dunno, man, sometimes you just want to play that kinda' campaign. Don't see the point in drawing the line at kiddie-diddling if orchestrating and then personally contributing to genocide is acceptable.

You just gotta get the magical realm out of your system before you sit down at the table. Yeah, sure, we're fine if you want to fuck a little girl; who doesn't; but nobody wants to have to listen to someone else describe themselves doin' it, y'know? It's like getting a close-up of the guy's face when you're watching porn, except there's no girl and it's just the guy's face the whole time.

It is pretty much always bad. I can get a guy wanting to switch things up and play as a girl for the fun of it, but playing as a little girl is just weird, and the story in this thread shows why.

>grown man playing as a dark elf loli ninja
>dark
>elf
>loli
>ninja
>who rerolled half a dozen times to avoid having big breasts

Smells like lolicon to me.

To be fair, the OP's story is more a testament to the DM's either incompetence or inexperience. He should have slapped down (pun intended) the dick jokes as soon as they started becoming a distraction and NEVER taken it as far as it got.

I wouldn't even say it's pretty much always bad to let someone play a little girl, but it is a huge red flag and outside of very special circumstances it's just a bad idea to let players go with something like this. At best, a player is exercising some kind of fetish and on some level getting off on it while everyone else is playing. That in itself can be a distraction, because everyone else at the table will know it.

...

>Man roleplaying a degenerate loli
>Autists rolling for dick size

Yep checks out.

This, because of the reactions to your post, and other reasons are why there is no rape in my games.
Just no.
It adds literally nothing but rape to the game.

Better than being That Guy (You)

I'm such a shitty gm that when my players say their character is gonna rape something I tell them they don't and then move on.

I'm such a shitty dm I set up a game in which people play fantasy heros, search for treasure in dungeons, and fight monsters.

In other words, I'm not a fucking shitty dm. I just run a game without any sex, because it is not the point of dnd.

>Its better to let the player rape the not-real little girl, then have consequences for it in game.

No its fucking not. If you don't like it, as the dm, you are well within your rights to tell the player to take the game elsewhere. You ARE the game, and if you came too the room intending to run a game with rape in it, you would have told everyone.

If that player wants to play a character who does that stuff, he does not have the right to demand you run a game which takes that direction. You can look across the table at him and tell him it doesn't happen.

If your main entertainment from dungeons and dragons is pretending to rape little girls, you would not enjoy playing in the games I run.

I think there's a better place for that. Specifically, games which are intended to have sexual content as the main focus.

You are allowed to be something you're not.

You are supposed to be a warrior against evil in a heroic fantasy story.

If you're a little girl, you're a child. Children are not in the same league as adults when it comes to slaying dragons.

If you are a child, and you are as strong as an adult, you are an anime character.

Anime characters are not heroic fantasy characters. They are too powerful for a normal roleplaying game.

Ok, I'll put it a differant way.

I, as the dm, do not allow sexual content to be the focus of my games.

It can be implied that characters or npcs have sexual relations. People are allowed to roleplay that with each other in their own time. THey can dress up as elves. I don't give a fuck.

When they come to my game table, I am running a game which does not contain any sex scenes. There are no dice tables for sex scenes, npcs will not be defined purely by their sexuality (though they may be attractive) and if a player says his character is going too do ANYTHING sexual, I generally discourage it.

If someone wants to roleplay a rapist, I won't allow that either.

So what you're saying is you live in a cuck world where rape is more unacceptable than murder?

The issue isn't that I absolutely must be allowed to rape a little girl. The issue is how strongly opinionated he is on this topic, that will assert that even if everyone at the table is okay with it, you're still not allowed to let your players rape little girls because the idea of it possibly happening anywhere in the world hurts his feelings.

This is not the sort of person who is likely to contribute to a fun gaming experience.

no, I'm saying I run a game which uses murder and combat to achieve goals. I'm saying rape isn't a good way to achieve anything, but killing rampaging beasties achieves a lot.

and I say that as the dm you have every right to prevent a player from committing rape in game.

The idea that a dm would be so controlling would bother me in other cases, but does not in this case.

Why does it bother you that the dm feels strongly that roleplaying the rape of a young girl would not fit into the game he is trying to run?

That is probably a commonly held belief among dms.

Of course he feels strongly. FUcking normies, am I right? Get these normal people who don't like talking about children being raped the fuck out of my child-molester safe space.

What gives you the right to roleplay molesting children in a game about fighting dragons?

What gives you the DESIRE to roleplay molesting children in a game about fighting dragons.

Why would you want to do something horrible, gross, and sexual, in a game which is explicitly NOT sexual. Especially when there exist games for the singular purpose of roleplaying sexual encounters. You should not disrupt a game by roleplaying the rape of a little girl, because sane people would not even consider the possibility of someone like you playing their game and derailing it that badly. If you told the dm that your character intended to commit a horrible sex crime, you might well be kicked out of the entire gaming group!

In short, rape has no place in a normal roleplayign game, unless the game is explicitly for sexual purposes. Nothing is wrong with a DM who opposes sexuality from being the focus of their games, let alone allowing a player to fucking

MOLEST
A
CHILD
INTENTIONALLY
FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE
OF SELF
GRATIFICATION.

I should not have to explain why that is bad and usually unacceptable. You should have no difficulty understanding.

Do you understand?

>kiddie-diddling

Fucking lost it.

Fellow rape free GM here.
I also don't erp, although it's unrelated.
I'm less concerned about sexuality in my games than I am explaining to my wife why I'm pretending to have sex with a group of other people.
It's just not how I roll.
I try to draw a hard (giggity) line between rp and erp.
I fade to black and move past sex jokes.

>world where rape is more unacceptable than murder?
I don't.
In my world, things happen.
In my game, rape = no.

>But my character is a half-orc product of rape.
Okay, but it will never come up.
>But my character development...
No.

>My character was raped...
No

>My character is a rapist, but it's elves so they don't count.
Rance, I told you to get the fuck out.


>So what you're saying is you play in a cuck game where rape is more unacceptable than murder?
Yes. It's hypocritical and wrong.
I don't care.
Rape adds nothing but rape.

were you raped as a child or something?

calm the fuck down.

its just a game bro, if raping children fits a players character them just let them do it. Its not hurting anyone

you let your players engage in murder, torture, and other atrocities, but a little rape is too much? typical america who thinks sex is worst than violence

I don't care how the fuck he wants to run his games. That's no business of mine. But when you come to Veeky Forums of all places and you get all puffed up and *offended* about the idea that somewhere out there, someone might want to roleplay the rape of a little girl for personal gratification and that someone, oh, God forbid, might find it acceptable to oblige him for a spot of fun, when your post is so dripping with textual melodrama that you end. It. With. Every. Word. A. Separate. Sentence.

—at that point, you're walking up to the counter and asking for their biggest bag of backdraft and somehow getting indignant when that's exactly what you receive.

>I'm saying rape isn't a good way to achieve anything
This is a wrong position to take.
Rape is a great way to achieve horribleness.
Not disagreeing with you, just pointing it out.

>In short, rape has no place in a normal roleplayign game, unless the game is explicitly for sexual purposes.
Or if the game is explicitly for horrible purposes.
See what I mean?

Again, not disagreeing, just citing where you're leaving yourself open.

Not user, but nice bait.

I don't have a nice "rape themed" bait image for you though.

Worth adding, on the subject of genocide, is the reason why killing monsters is not an evil act.

In a swords and sorcery world, where magic is rare and many people live in sqaullor, where cities are seperated by long tracts of wilderness, and most of the world is still wild, there might come a time when wolves attack your flock of sheep.

Now, seeing as how those sheep represent the life and soul of a village, some brave soul would be hailed a hero if they ventured out alone to slay the wolves near the village. A local lord would be loved and respected if he organized patrols through the woods, to kill off the wolves who strayed too close to the village.

With enough scouts, a village could flourish in the wildness. Advance warning when new monsters were approaching would allow the lords, knights, and huntsmen to maintain a few square miles relatively free from the larger wild animals.

Extend this to giant lizards, monsters, and enemy humans.

Extend the enemy humans to represent evil races, such as orcs or drow.

Sometimes you can make a treaty with orcs, drow, or the knights of evil from castle darken.

Sometimes you ahve to wage war to defend your land.

There will be death, and there will be killing, but you can live a hundred years, kill a hundred men every year, and still always be on the side of justice.


That's how my dnd game works. Monsters can be reasoned with, some of the time, and players are encouraged to think like lawful citizens of the community.

>on the subject of genocide...
I agree with you and believe you run a good game.

>a world where rape is more unacceptable than murder

You mean like the one we're in right now, halfwit?

I'm telling people that they should understand why a dm running a game of dungeons and dragons would not allow a player to roleplay raping a child.

I'm pretty sure that same dm would also discourage torture, and probably doesn't like murder for its own sake. He probably runs a campaign where the characters tend to be civilized people.

Do you understand?

I'm not saying that game cannot exist where you can live your loli hentai fantasy. I'm just saying that you can reasonably assume you shouldn't roleplay it in a game of dnd unless the PURPOSE OF THE GAME is ESTABLISHED as sexuality and erotica, including the potential rape of some characters.

>I just run a game without any sex, because it is not the point of dnd.
>role-playing your character how you perceive they would act in a role-playing game is not the point of a role-playing game

k

rape is a good way to achieve many things.

unlike murder they are still alive to be useful
unlike torture you dont leave any marks, which is good if you want to keep it a secret

like say the prince is the heir to the kingdom, every night I creep into his room and rape him, promising that when he is king I will stop as long as he enacts whatever laws I want.

if I were to kill him my plan is ruined
if I torture him then the court will get suspisccious when he is covered in cuts and lacerations, also ruining my plan

You've put a lot of thought into this?

underrated post

>rape is a good way to achieve many horrible things.
See what I meant now?

Only a cuck thinks that user, so that might be your world, but it's not mine or the world of any real man :^)

>sneaking into the newly-crowned King's room every night to commit punitive rape
>he can't bring it up to any of the guards because it's so embarrassing

>"why are you doing this"
>"I told you sooooo"

I'm not offended that someone would want to roleplay a sexual predator, I'm trying to explain that they should not assume they would be allowed to in a normal game.

The default setting for a group of normal humans playing a game with their friends is NOT OK WITH RAPE because RAPE = BAD.

If they discuss rape, they will all assume that everyone else thinks rape is bad. It will be common knowledge that the rape of children is worse, because children are weaker and cannot always defend themselves.

Can you understand that only a fool would EXPECT to be obliged when they wanted to roleplay as a character who intended to rape a little girl?

Unless, as I said before, the game is one of those games which is intended for the purpose of roleplaying as a character having sex with other characters, and that game has the anime/hentai theme of rape being an acceptable way to start a sexual encounter.

Those games do exist, and I don't have a problem with them. I don't believe the people who play those games are bad people, I am not afraid those people will become rapists in the real world.

But if I have those people in my game, and they want to roleplay raping a little girl, they can't. I consider myself to be a patient man when I take the time to explain to them that I don't allow it, and politely steer them back on track in my game, instead of immediately throwing them out of my house.

Because that second response would probably be more likely from most people. Most people don't think rape is an acceptable form of entertainment. I would expect every dm I play with too be against roleplaying the rape of a little girl (which is a crime that strikes a chord with convicted serial killers, by the way)

Good for you for spotting a technical logical flaw with my statement.

I'll give you that in a game where the goal is to roleplay as an evil character, roleplaying a rapist could achieve that goal.

However, that sort of game is not the normal sort of game. THat sort of game is more unusual and less common.

Its not genocide to kill the wolves which attack your village. Hunters from your village could still run into wolves deep in the woods. THey would not attack the wolves there, but would respect them and learn to live in balance with them.

For example, they would learn that wolves can be trained by feeding them meat, and will help you catch animals. They could domesticate the most feared enemy of the human race into harmless man's best friend.

Tautologically, acceptable actions are those that are accepted by society. In the anglosphere, where most of the people on this image board are from, rape is more unacceptable than murder. It's possible you're from Saudi Arabia, or Germany or some other Muslim infested hellhole, but if so that's your problem.

then why do prisoners shun or beat rapists, but respect murderers?

Why don't you learn to follow the fucking reply chain? If you're not Sir Think-of-the-Children up there, then I've obviously no contention with you.

>I-I'M A REAL ANGLO, WHICH IS WHY I'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO THINKING RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER

Nice try cuckold, I'm white as a ghost, live in White America(the best country in the world), and think all Muslims should hang.

>I've never actually been to jail but I think I know what I'm talking about!

I'm not saying characters cannot develop their sexuality.

I'm saying I don't allow long sessions in which players describe exactly what happens when they make love to other people.

I'm also saying that I don't allow characters in my games whose character development includes the fact that they intend to rape someone, especially a child.

There's a whole world of heroic possibilitis left to roleplay. YOu can even fall in love with the handsome princess or beautiful prince.

You just can't skip the courting, roses and long walks on the beat for spending 20 minutes of real world time talking about how you do anal sex.

And you certainly cannot, and your character should not BE the kind of person who would, rape someone.

Unless they are supposed to be evil.


Because killing is somehting which can be done in self defense, and has been done in self defense for the entirety of human history, but rape cannot be defense. It can only be an assault on some other being. Murder can have the moral high ground under certain circumstances, but rape never can.

I did notice I overlooked the word "normal" in that second quote.

>arguing over whether or not it's okay to rape children
>the user arguing against child rape is the faggot
never change Veeky Forums

>In the anglosphere, rape is more unacceptable than murder.
[citation needed]

That is a great way to achieve something for an evil character. That is not usually a way to achieve cooperation and harmony among the players at your game table.

I would not allow that at my game table.

I can imagine a game where that could be light hearted and even funny, but that sort of game is plainly differant than a game about fighting mosnters and finding treasure on a heroic quest.

Rape can be used for justice.

Lets say there is a tribe of orcs, they village and ransack the countryside. We could capture them and beat them into forced labor, but that will just further anger them, cause them to escape and rebel, gather more orc tribes, and destroy the kingdom.
We could kill them, but then we have to work harder to rebuild the villagers
Or, we could rape them.
Capture them, hog tie em down, and have every man in the kings army rape their butts till they're tender.
Some of the orcs will learn to love it, and will willingly serve in order to receive more poundings, others will have their spirits broken, and get hard to work in order to not get anal diddled anymore.
and the orcs that escape? They will go and tell the other orcs clans... tell them to never go near this kingdom, for if they do, they will get assfucked by the crazy humans.

They're obviously fine with rape as a concept, seeing as how prisons are notorious for it.

Say; you don't suppose it has anything to do with the comparative physical fitnesses of those who commit each different sort of crime, do you?

Point of order: murder is when the killing is not justified. Justified murder isn't murder.

Justified murder is absolutely murder, you nitwit. Murder is when the killing is illegal, regardless of how justified.

you're one of those fags that think laws and morality are the same thing aren't you

See again, you're overthinking this.

>Rape is bad.
>Rape is being accepted is not the default setting for society.
>Rape is not allowed in my games.
This is fine.

Discussing the relative merits of rape versus killing and all the rest is just more of, well, this:
>walking up to the counter and asking for their biggest bag of backdraft and somehow getting indignant when that's exactly what you receive.

You need to watch less of whatever you have been watching.

I'm one of "those fags" who makes a very clear distinction between law and morality and prefers that the domain of a term not be muddled between them, thank you very much. Murder refers to the crime, not the sin.

You're not my mommy! You don't get a say in it!

I am the person who your are having this discussion with.

Let me try to explain.

If you murder someone intentionally, purely to benefit yourself, and they would have done you no harm had you left well enough alone, that is an evil act.

If you rape someone, that is always an evil act.

If you kill someone in self defense, or in order to prevent them from hurting other people, or in order to prevent them from damaging society (for example killing a man who tried to poison your well in a medieval style dungeons and dragons game) you have killed someone, possibly committed legal murder, but you have plainly done a good act.

If you rape someone, its always evil. The good version of rape isn't called rape, its called sex. Its called seduction. If you pull a girls hair and tell her she's a filthy whore who's only good to glass your dick, but she enjoys herself and you both want that to be happening, that is not rape. That is sex.

If you kill someone, in our modern society, that is usually but not always murder.

If you kill someone, it can be a good act. The good version of murder isn't murder. Its protection.

In our modern society, even in a third world country such as america, the police can handcuff and restrain a dangerous individual, and do not need to kill them.
The vast majority oof the time, those in power don't need to kill a dangerous man to prevent them from hurting others.

In a medieval society, where the entire world population might be 60 million (today's is 8 billion, or more than 100 times as many people), society might not be as advanced as ours.

For gods sake, out society has plenty of problems, and we've been trying to deal with those problems since we learned they exist.

In the medieval society, it was frequently neccesary to kill someone to protect one's home, one's land, one'ss family, one's clan.

A good man or women might live to the age of 40 (which was venerable, respected old age) having killed people.

>murder is
>Murder is

In my state, if you are holding a person who is seizing and they have an aneurysm or something, the technical cause of death is murder.
No, nobody has ever been charged over that to my knowledge.

>army breaks down from the massive drain on morale and the spread of heinous orcish STDs
>get invaded and divvied up between the neighboring nations that had the good sense to stick to just one warcrime at a time

>You're not my mommy! You don't get a say in it!
If what you've been watching has your mommy saying things in it, I think you might be worse off than I feared.

I was in a campaign where our sorcerer had a monocle that determined the measurements of any woman of 12 or higher Hotness. Hotness being a joke stat, distinct from charisma, which we had to roll for (normal stats were all point-buy).

Anyway, he tried using the monocle on my female cleric and I begrudgingly rolled stats and got a perfectly plain 10, much to his chagrin. Later on, during a dramatic moment, my cleric removed her glasses. I don't know who suggested it, but someone said we should reroll Hotness to see if she was hotter without glasses. Again, I agreed and I ended up with a 12.

The sorcerer immediately used the monocle and we had to determine a fair way to determine her measurements. We settled on 1d20 + 20 down the line somehow. So I started with bust size and rolled a nat 20. Next I rolled for waist size and got a nat 1. Finally, I rolled a 13 for hip size.

So my cleric ended up 40-21-33. Needless to say we all had a good laugh.

oh. alright then. carry on.

>I am the person who your are having this discussion with.
So you're the dumbass that jumped on the cervix impaction user's throat and had a stroke over loli rape being badwrongfun, and is now backpedaling furiously and saying "w-well, I'm just sharing the rules in MY house"?

Great to fucking hear! You're still a faggot!

Love how you bring up the differences of morality during different time periods, but then still apply your modern morals to rape

There was no rape back then, it was not a crime for a man to have sex with a women against her will because she had to will, it didnt matter what see wanted.

The only crime that could take place was between man to man, like say fucking his daughter because you are damaging his property, and ruining her value for marriage, not because what you did to the woman was wrong, but because it was against the will of the man who owns her.

I realize that we're alll autistic here and it might actually not be obvious to some of us that normal people don't aren't comfortable even discussing rape that much.

Thanks for the support

Rape is certainly demonized. It usually doesn't come up as more than a philosophical discussion, because the worldwide crime rate is refreshingly low compared to even a hundred years previous.

Rape, torture and slavery are not the tools of justice. They will only make the victims hate you, and want to hurt you back if they can.

If you're into mindbreak pornography, that's great, but the real world doesn't work like that.

The prisoners who don't rape people have been known to beat the prisoners who do to death.

Almost as if prison were a society and not a single person who hold every trait simultainiously.

Murder, killing, assassination, battle, stabbing or hurting and injuring.

All those words do not have a set definition (yes, they are in the dictionary, don't argue) because people use them commonly to mean differant things.

Law is supposed to reflect morality, but does not always perfectly do so.

I'm not overthinking it, I'm attempting to explain my opinions to someone who doesn;t understand.

CLearly they and I have made differant assumptions about the world. I intend to give them the tools to understand me, even if they dont' agree with me.

After all, I understand them

I think its a manga

What is the correct terms for

A legal killing
an illegal killing
a moral killing
an immoral killing

We can say that you should not apply the implied morals of your hentai universe to roleplaying, unless roleplaying in a hentai game.

Feel free to jack yo dick to as many anal rapes as you want, provided you know not to bring them up in polite conversation.

I'm saying that the rules in my house are a more reasonable assumption for normal rules than the rules you seem to be implying are normal.

I didn't have a stroke, and I understand that loli rape (a technical term for the rape of little girls, in a pornographic context, where the rules are bent such that girls who are sexually assaulted may enjoy it and where sexual relationships are implied to be healthy) is not always a bad thing to talk about, or to have yoru character do in a roleplayign game where antying is possible.

Provided
the game
is a game
which has been
set up
with the intention
of containing explicity rape, sex, and the enjoyment of same.

Game are not set up that way unless explicity stated. That is an unusual sort of game.

I am not sharing the rules in my house, I am sharing the rules that I would be so sure of existing in someone elses house, that I would not have to ask a total stranger if they abided by those rules.

Unless they explicitly told me that they wanted to play a sexual game.

EVEN THEN I would not assume rape would be ok.

Side note: in a sexual game, I might assume killing would be discouraged as well, if it was a goofier game, as opposed to a gritty grim game.

Women had free will and didn't like being raped.

Sometimes they could seek out and take revenge on people who raped them.

sometimes their brothers, fathers, or friends could.

Legally, women had no defense, but the law was a lot less powerful in 1300 than it is after 2000.

There was ABSOLUTELY rape back then, it just existed as a concept, rather than as a legal definition for a crime.

Sure, some women probably got ravaged against their will and didn't neccesarily dislike the entire experience. I bet this happens today. I bet its quite rare, and your success rate with winning a girl's heart by raping her is way to low to consider.

Seduction is a whole different thing, containing complex nuances of danger and emotion, which might lead to the rape