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People who are in weekend campaigns, how did they go? Any lucky rolls?

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Avowed Playtest 1:
drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing
Malefex Playtest: docs.google.com/document/d/1W3LrE8WyIxxYRr8d9dHsWioeUk_-HZaSMqVWRnzc9Fc/edit?usp=sharing
Legendary Kineticists II Playtest: docs.google.com/document/d/11_w1o5dSef2tzu2GDLnJKElHY3uyETzuzFHDAjI6P6k/edit?usp=sharing
Spheres of Might preview: docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/

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I don't like kobolds. They're blatant fetish fuel and designed purely for smutty kinksters.

I don't like humans. They're blatant fetish fuel and designed purely for smutty kinksters.

Do you remember love, user?

My game is today, but I can't make it because I have to work.

>tfw barbmermaid user doesn't reply to you
wow, I didn't know I could hurt this way

Nope

Why are you here?

He only replies to people who got accepted into the campaign. You don't exist. So why should he reply to nothing?

link me HV right now
I will exist

I dunno... I'd ship Cireia the grapply, spunky merfolk with... um... anyone who is open!!!

I'm here, user, what was your question!!!?
Also, here is Hell's Vengeance!!! app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/hells-vengeance

Good luck.

app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/66405/hells-vengeance

Just because you apply doesn't make you exist.

I'd ship Cireia to a tuna cannery.

I ship the spunky merfolk grappler with everyone
At the same time.

I told you what exactly I'd do with rope
I see that I'm not good enough, so I'll just KMS

>everyone
>At the same time.

>anyone who is open
>two other grils
>one guy
>second possible guy, but most likely a a third gril cause waifus
I'm sorry, but your fishgirl gonna be gay as fug, or competing with the other vvajayjays for the only worthwhile sausage in town.

... And this is where I realize that when I lost my old PC, I also lost my login information for paizo...
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and... uh...

for gmail too.

W-well... user, it was so lewd!!!

Would you have called her all sorts of names while she was tied up, hanging tail-first and free to play with wherever?[/spoiled]

Fun... I'm fine with that!

Please no bullyy!

How do you feel about yinglets?

Wowie, I really hecked up the formatting that time!

>combat takes the whole 4 hour session
jesus fucking christ
combat becomes hell at later levels

Why, of course! After all, when she's all bound and gagged, I'd be certain to ask her if she's got some cow blood in her, for those tasty jugs of hers swinging free. Not that she could give much of an answer, outside of gagged moans or hums through her stuffed throat.

Not all humans put that +2 in Charisma.

They look like they'd be good when stewed with some vegetables.

user of Sasha here, offering genuine thanks to you for the inspiration to revise Sasha. I actually think this new version is better and works more with the original character concept. Even if I don't get in, which is statistically probable, thanks!

What game, senpai?

You're more likely to get in then me. Cheers!

Deception

No problem, user! I'm always here if anyone needs support or help or just encouragement! I'm glad that I could have inspired you! I'll check it now!!

Well, she doesn't have some! Are you calling her fat? S-she's not fat, b-bully...

I just checked it out and I really liked it! I think the changes are quite neat, and I like the change for him being kind of a girl, but mostly a guy! Good on you, user, I hope you get in!

Every unneeded coincidence, unlikely character trait or other gratuitous case of special snowflake syndrome on a character makes them less interesting, cohesive and identifiable as characters, yes. You can tie a lot of things into a proper character, but making a dickgirl character just because it gets you off is of the same narrative and dramatic value as one of those OCs people make on Gaia having rainbow-colored eyes despite existing in the Harry Potter setting.
Every unneeded element introduces one more thing that needs to be addressed without actually adding anything to the game, meaning that you knock disruptive holes in roleplaying time just for the sake of saying or implying your character has a dick.
The further a character is from a completely and utterly normal baseline human, the more effort you have to put into ensuring that those traits that distance them from humans (i.e. players) have some form of purpose in characterization or roleplaying. This is why Mary Sues are annoying and boring even when characters with higher power levels can be perfectly fun - because their specialness is pointless clutter that deprives them of hooks or takes up empty space, instead of having a plot hook or a characterization element tied to them.
And yes, the more normal characters are, the more interesting they become. They can play off each other, their emotions and lives are easier for players to understand and portray, they help deepen the setting instead of being defined by not fitting in it, they restrict the scope of the game and with that the amount of potential plot holes or imbalances, and on top of all that they make the occasional rare character archetype tens of times more rewarding to play, because that rarity and specialness now has a backdrop and precedents to play out against.
A good roleplayer can get characters for a whole roleplaying career out of "middle-class human twentysomething without magical abilities".

I'm sure the noises she'd be making as I played with her tats every which way would be close enough to mooing. Of course, additional ropes could always be added...
Gotta make sure that she can't slip out even on a twenty. Not that she'd want to, after a while.

MINMAYFAGS STILL BTFO

Well, she couldn't get out even if it was a twenty! She has no points in Escape Artist!
A-and it's more close to moaning, t-thank you very much.

You could've just left it to that thread, user. You could've just let go...but you didn't...

>implying people play dickgirls solely because it gets them off
>Implying all characters aren't just coincidences and unlikely character traits

Pay no attention to this user, they believe their opinions are the only one that matters, /pfg/.

Not even with a strength twenty?
Hmmm...
What to do with a helpless mermaid cutie that gets sweaty and physical as her main form of combat? She'd have to earn her way out somehow, but doing it in a manner that wouldn't make me want to keep her trussed up for myself would be tough.

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SHES A SLUT!

BUT SDF IS STILL BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE SERIES!

Depending on the rope, a DC 23 Str check breaks hemp ropes.

>hemp
Not even once, user.
I'm perverted, but not a brute.
Except for when a waifu needs some disciplining

Huh! Well, I was thinking more chains, but yes! She could actually break out on a Strength check of 20!

W-well, y-you tell me, user! She's the one helplessly dangling, staring and struggling around!

I bet you she couldn't if someone were to make her drunk first!

>What to do with a helpless mermaid cutie
Hand feed her grapes, blueberries and oysters, which allegedly contain a natural aphrodisiac.

Which character do you want to see suffer the most in Rise of the Jade Regent?

I wouldn't use hemp, that would chafe horribly. The finloop would be silk, with the rest of the riggings being chains. It would be interesting to see if a leather strap could be enchanted with charm person, so she's always chewing down on some nice mind altering magic.
Of course, once setup is done, I'd have to stick a toy in her to keep her occupied while I go to find some of the best grapplers around at a local tavern. I'm sure she'll have a blast seeing just how it feels to be helpless and have hands feeling up and groping all across her tight, sweaty body.

This user gets it.

For kineticist damage question user earlier.
Here are two number sets for an onslaught kineticist fully optimized (right down to 'augmented elements' to get esoteric earlier) at levels 11 and 13: because 12 while often used does basically nothing since it's in between all the upgrade levels for even # of dice, and because 13 not only swaps out excessive-blaster for Extreme, but doing so also grants an additional +1/die.

12xd3 Composite. Esoteric x(d6+2) +1 Ring +1 Targeted
Shots: 12+2(Burned)+3(Excessive) =x15
Energy Aim +6, 24CON=+3, Onslaught:15 hits=+7
Max Single Target output 15d6+76

Level 13: Shots 14+2(Burned)+7(Extreme) =x23 Damage +1/die
Energy Aim +6, 26CON=+4, Onslaught 23 hits =+11
Max Single Target output 23d6+136 = 216.5

As Extreme Blaster is literally the Quicken replacement - you can understand the fairly high damage boost found here.

Alright, alright, it's on.
What exactly could you bring to the roleplaying or plot with a dickgirl character that you couldn't just do with a tiefling, a half-orc or (even better) just someone from a maligned family such as the knacker's family?
How, exactly, would it be better to tack a dick on a character for the cheap, omnipresent "not like all the other ducklings" victimization fantasy or pity points? On top of being an unlikely, reality-stretching element that could be handled in a completely mundane way, it's also going to get people's emotions and opinions on sex involved, making it awkward at best and group-destroying at worst.
And Jesus Christ, I've played with a lot of retards like you who spout shit like "it's a roleplaying game, why does reality have to matter", "why can't I just kill and fuck that NPC before talking to him", "why can't I call my character Lord Dickface, I think it's funny", "why can't I play Wolverine" and "why can't my character just bang everyone".
All those games have been dreadful, because there was never such a thing as roleplaying. Roleplaying games are half game and half acting, which means that like actual acting, there are still rules even though they're not mechanical. Just because you can't write down the one single way to play a roleplaying game doesn't mean that there aren't right and wrong ways - try entering an acting troupe with that mindset and see what happens.
I know by now what kind of roleplayer you are. You're the kind who says they just want to have fun, but for some reason never have it and never let their groups have it either. You're the kind of person who's been told off about the same thing by dozens of unrelated people, but still doesn't get that the one common problem is you.
It's also amazingly archetypal just how you interpret someone giving a piece of simple literary theory as "thinking only their own opinions matter".

>my stance is the only one that matters, and you can't have good roleplay from this thing because I say you can't

Not saying slapping a dick on every tiefling "girl" is totally A-okay for every game, but your "ONLY HUMANS ARE GOOD" attitude makes you sound like a jackass.

Etan, because seeing the "I want to be a hero" character get broken is GOAT

>What exactly could you bring to the roleplaying or plot with a dickgirl character that you couldn't just do with a tiefling, a half-orc or (even better) just someone from a maligned family such as the knacker's family?
Seduce an amazon who looks down on men but sees sex as something only for breeding!

A solid choice.

And sideline the rest of the table while adding nothing of value to the plot, the character or the setting besides a thin excuse for your fetish.
Next.

>Not saying slapping a dick on every tiefling "girl" is totally A-okay for every game, but your "ONLY HUMANS ARE GOOD" attitude makes you sound like a jackass.

>Tone-policing

>And sideline the rest of the table while adding nothing of value to the plot
They're not sidelined if they're all assisting the seduction grapple check!

>They're blatant fetish fuel
>Kobolds
>Fetish fuel
Does not compute, unless mechanical traps and vietcong style shenanigans are now a common fetish

>the more normal characters are, the more interesting they become
Patently false.

So you're saying a dickgirl is compelling because you could force a girl down and breed her?

Hate to rain on your parade, but a girl will probably feel like a freak if she has a dick when she shouldn't. The only purpose that cock will serve is either finding a way to remove it, or find a way to come to terms with having it.

And by then you've escaped so far from your own realm of experience that you have nothing to bring to the "roleplaying" besides your own sex drive.
If your idea of plot consists of having sex and your idea of roleplaying consists of seduction checks, you really need to look into this thing called "sex".
Or "porn", because there must be a reason you're buying corebooks to masturbate over.

desu Tucker's Kobolds are so my sort of thing that they arguably are a minor fetish of mine

The feelings of isolation because the character is abnormal. They lack confidence in themselves because they know they're so different and during the course of play might come to terms with it and start feeling more comfortable as what they are. Yes, it's similar to what can be done with tiefling and half-orc or whatever, but why should it be excluded as a possibility just because you don't like it? Sure, I was being a faggot shitposter but that's because you're also being a faggot who can't see beyond the fact that..yes, some people want to use them exclusively for lewd. That doesn't, however, prevent them from being used in other scenarios. Like I said earlier, it doesn't particularly matter what sex they are in games that aren't lewd. Anyone who tries to shoehorn it into a non-lewd game should be excluded, but you're attacking the idea itself rather than the people that misuse it.

>Patently false

You are wrong. The more fantastical a character becomes the harder it is to connect with them. The most memorable characters are ones that are "normal people, but X."

>but x
They are now no longer normal people.

>Come to terms with having it.

>seeing the "I want to be a hero" character get broken is GOAT
Go have a stroke, edgelord.

This sounds very much like one of those newfangled "different but also valid opinion" thingamajigs.

I have to admit, I'm mostly just trollfetishposting and wouldn't consider running a hermaphrodite because it's easier to slip normal characters into games and ERP stuff like that should only come from an organic scenario, rather than throwing fetishbait into campaigns to begin with.

Adventuring and fighting monsters make them not normal. Normal people are living their lives trying to make ends meat and raise their families and are powerless to change anything about their fates. Adventurers and PCs are risking their lives with every encounter, throwing their fates to the wind as they try to fight their normality.

>Anyone who tries to shoehorn it into a non-lewd game should be excluded, but you're attacking the idea itself rather than the people that misuse it.

>The only time a dickgirl works is in a smutty "lewd~" game
>The idea itself is still good

Cock-hungry breeders only work in smutty "lewd" games too, and I've seen this thread explode when someone tried to insist it's a compelling character concept.

People lead complicated lives, everyone alive will be "normal, but X" which can range from "normal, but a huge faggot" or "normal, but is seven feet tall and has issues with his brother."

Except the most interesting characters I've ever played or seen played, in my entire fucking roleplaying career, have been normal human beings at the core of it.
Most of them had some kind of supernatural powers, but in literally all of those cases, they had some kind of character conflict stemming from that they were fundamentally just human, with human flaws, human foibles and human strong points.
I've played uncountable fucking characters and NPCs, and the one that was the most fun for me was an emotionally immature perma-teenage Tumblrina with a depressingly pedestrian life who'd ended up becoming a special White Wolf Asian vampire by being a barely redeemable, petty asshole in life.
When you start playing those characters, you'll see what I mean. Their motivations come realistically, don't feel forced and always have an easy in-universe response. They fit within the setting and don't clash with it, and they're defined by their characters at the core of it instead of the powers and special features they have.
But you'll never play a character like that, because you're too caught up on the idea that roleplaying should be free fun for you with no strings attached instead of requiring some work to be fun just like every other hobby on the fucking planet.

If that image comes form where I think it does, the futanari would be the least of my worries.

Or 'normal, but has a dick.'

Except I agree with you that characters require verisimilitude, and I disagree with you that a hermaphroditic character inherently lacks that.

What about normal, "but a self destruct alcoholic who escapism from his reality by pretending to be a little elf girl magic caster who only knows the spell "Greater Make Stuff Go Kaboom" in an online Mongolian finger puppet website."

>When you start playing those characters, you'll see what I mean. Their motivations come realistically, don't feel forced and always have an easy in-universe response. They fit within the setting and don't clash with it, and they're defined by their characters at the core of it instead of the powers and special features they have.

>mfw I suddenly realize I only make "normal" Humans because of this, to the point even the occasional Tiefling or Aasimar is treated as being essentially human

I've always felt it, but you put it into words.

Would riven hourglass's 9th level maneuver disrupt spellcasting?

Normal people have problems. Imagine yourself in a universe where magic exists. I know I'd be trying out magic to change myself into a cute loli

What are you trying to say exactly, that you can't play interesting futa characters in non lewd games?

If you want verisimilitude while still playing a chick with a dick, it means you have to orient most of her struggles around having a dick, which is going to get a lot of people to think that you're getting off on it.
The thing about it is that it is nothing at all but a sexual organ that you had to go to the trouble of explaining, and there's no purpose for it that is not in some way sexual.
Having something sexual in a game is fine, but it needs to serve another purpose than imagining, facilitating or spicing up sexual situations. Pure sexual content, especially if niche or deeply analyzed, makes a lot of people instinctually cringe, and think what you want of that, that's the fact of it.
If you don't focus on the dick, you're left with a sexual element attached without anything to ground or excuse it, and that's even worse.
We're talking the exact same thing as having a female character have S-cup tits for the hey of it, claiming that "the cow tits add character". If you want to get off, do that all you want, but at the very fucking least don't pretend you're doing something else.

>Normal people have problems. Imagine yourself in a universe where magic exists.

And therein lies the best sorts of characters.

Normal people faced with abnormal problems. How a normal-ass guy with a couple talents overcomes the Lich King will, assuming the writing quality is the same, always be more compelling to read than the "Magical Celestial Fox" doing the same thing.

>d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/riven-hourglass-maneuvers

>By forcing your will upon the quintessence of the universe and acting within pockets of time so small that blink past within the gap between seconds, you turn time on its end and react to an opponent’s actions before they have even been made.

>You can initiate this counter in response to being targeted or caught within the area of an attack or effect. You can immediately take a standard action and a move action (or a single full-round action by combining them) before that effect resolves.

>While taking these actions, you can only attack or otherwise affect the originator of the attack or effect. If you reduce the originator of the attack or effect to 0 or fewer hit points with these actions, then the attack or effect (including parts of the effect that affect other creatures) is completely negated, having been prevented from happening at all. You cannot gain more than one standard action and move action per round this way.

It sounds like you're using the counter to create an attack of opportunity that lets you take a standard, move, or full round action, so yes.

>he doesn't want to see a wide-eyed idealist's worldview come crashing down around them, and for everything to be going wrong at once
>only for them to get back up and keep trying to do the right thing, even when they have to drag themselves out of the metaphorical gutter

The most satisfying victories are the ones earned after everything has gone wrong.

Every PC should go through a character arc!

It's not an "attack of opportunity", it's just taking an action before the other guy's action happens.

My take on it is that It would provoke a Concentration check, per the "If you take damage while trying to cast a spell" clause and the "if it comes in response to your casting the spell" part of it.

>making "has a dick" be the ONLY fucked up thing about the character
>when tieflings are typically the ones with this problem
>when that same tiefling is also likely walking around with gross vestigial wings, a freakish prehensile tail, horns, scale-covered skin, goat legs, or any number of things

You can leave "has a dick" off for most groups, because it's not that big an element. But if you're seriously saying "no group can handle 'has a dick' as a concept and make an enjoyable, well rounded character without sperging out", you're overreacting massively. Just make it "one of the things the character has to come to terms with", don't put it in the spotlight, and boom. Done.

Nobody's objecting that it doesn't fit everywhere, with every group. They're objecting your insistence that it's TOTALLY ONE HUNDRED PERCENT IMPOSSIBLE for it to be handled well without devolving into ERP.

No I don't. Hermaphroditic people actually exist, in real life, and their existence does not center around their genitalia. The only differences between choosing to play a hermaphroditic character and choosing to play, say, a left handed character, is the rarity, and the sexual nature. The rarity is not an inherent problem, and the sexual nature need not be a focus, despite your claims to the contrary.

My argument is that you are claiming that the situation is black and white, and that your view, that a hermaphroditic character cannot be verisimilar in a non-sexual context, is the only correct view. It is not. Your experience is not monolithic, your perspective is not inherently valid, and your imagination is not all encompassing.

The PC still has to take the hook for that. Most PCs are too paranoid to follow it.

>d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Attacks-of-Opportunity

I should have said like an AoO. It's interrupting the normal flow of actions in the round, and the counter is initiated before the spell goes off.

Just tell yourself that your character is a herm or a futa or whatever. If, for some reason, clothes come off (i.e you're being ripped to shreds), mention it! But also mention how you're being ripped apart and so you need health.

Also, general question, is 15 HP decent for a starting-out Barbarian? Will they die on a lucky crit?

>The PC still has to take the hook for that. Most PCs are too paranoid to follow it.

B-But I love going for the hooks, even if they're going to get stuck in my lip and cause nothing but pain until I tear it out.

Yes, because you're level 1 and everything will die on a lucky crit.

That's basically it. It's something that, for most games, won't even come up outside of maybe PMs between players.

On the barb thing, that looks about average for level 1, but you'll still die to a lucky hit from certain things. Because level 1 is a terrible place to be.

W-well, at least the enemies will die on lucky crits, too!

What I meant to say is 'Will I die from being mildly poked a couple of times'. Not just crits. My bad.

Yes.

Because it's level 1.

No. 15 HP should be fine, especially since it'll go up to 17 when you rage.

It's easiest to look at that one in videogame turns.

You get a lock-on warning OR the big "this area will be affected" reticle appears on the ground where you are. This counter tells you this shit's about to go on, or rather, rolls back time a split second and freezes it for you to react.

You take your actions before anything else happens, and if you take down the one that triggered your counter, his meteor swarm never finished casting.

... while it's not even about a dickgirl:

>yfw your group thinks you're an impressive roleplayer for being able to portray a decent, non-psycho-rapist so well, even though your character has a dick

>yfw you're starting to wonder if they maybe think it was some sort of "I identify as" when you said you were a guy.

I mean that particular roleplaying's utterly effortless for ... obvious-as-fuck reasons (I THOUGHT), and other than that odd disturbing bit the group's overall great... but... it's so weird...

If my app gets accepted, you better have some eggs for me to fertilize. Otherwise, I'll be sorely disappointed.

A-user, I think you responded to the wrong p-person!

But, m-maybe there will be some! I'unno.

What if I ran lewd strange aeons?

I've never played that before, user, tell me more!

I'm not a mermaid, you big dumbie! I don't even have eggs!

I like playing men who suffer, and continue to suffer until they get out of their funk to rise above their starting position and become great!

You're not barbmeranon? Oh... S-sorry...

You're the dummy for implying! why would a non-mermaid get a fishing hook stuck in their mouth? You big dumb dumb. Go away.

Strange Aeons is bad, I'd much rather see Curse of the Crimson Throne, Kingmaker or Wrath of the Righteous.

O-Or maybe Giantslayer with extra emphasis on big lusty Orcs and giants.

>You're the dummy for implying! why would a non-mermaid get a fishing hook stuck in their mouth? You big dumb dumb. Go away.

THE HOOK WAS METAPHORICAL, YOU LITERAL IGNORAMUS.