Was this guy anyone else's favorite Dawn of War character?

Kyras wanted that to create another Boreale with Hairgel and Thaddeus. It kinda backfired at him.

So did Hairgel and Thaddeus get fucked over? People say they got sent on some crusade

We know that Hairgel became a renegade at Kyras' orders after kicking Ulkair's fat ass. We don't know if he and Thaddeus stayed "pure" enough to go to Angelos without getting BLAMmed.

that was to explain why they fucked off in retribution.
Avitus was also the traitor and therefore dead, which is why he's not in it either.

He'd just been promoted and therefore was a compliment to the force commanders training I guess. According to the book Aramus (vanilla ice guy aka You) is just a sergeant given promotion by Kyras to Commander and most the chapter dislikes the decision.

Aurelia is also the sector the Ravens recruit from so it's understandable to have a good mix of future leaders being advised and mentored by grizzled veterans. Avitus, Thule, Tarkus and Cyrus cover every role that would be needed to be managed the Force Commanders tutoring, but he'd need experience managing new officers and balancing conflict like all shitty leadership programmes involve. Hence if not Thaddeus i'm sure some other hot-head would have been made available.

Hmm, fair enough.
Still feels like a marine should get all of that shit out of his system before even being considered for squad leader though.

Then again, the Blood Ravens were suffering about a lack of men and probably Thaddeus was the less awful choice left. Nobody paid attention to Hairgel becoming Force Commander until he proved his right to lead. Maybe Thaddeus passed a similar process?

youtube.com/watch?v=dBpk8N5Av5k

Still cant believe its Avitus

Alot of the other betrayals like Jonahs or Tarkus were alot better

youtube.com/watch?v=dBpk8N5Av5k

Each of them had a foreshadowing moment in DoW 2. Avitus was pretty clearly a miserable cunt who'd lost all sense of self worth in his.

Avitus was always edgy even more than Cyrus's usual narcissism

for me it was always the tech priest who went traitor because I allowed no corruption. It made sense in a wierd way

Jonah's was really well-made.

I don't feel even the slightest bit of remorse in throwing Avitus to the wolves to avoid fighting that cunt.

If it helps Avitus doesn't really 'Fall'. He just sort of...gives up trying to even care anymore that the universe they live in can be anything else other than a meat grinder. If it's not chaos its nid's or eldar or necrons or something else coming to kill or to be killed. He therefore basically draws the line of trying to save anything cause whats the fucking point? Also as linked earlier he calls hope a weakness to be purged, but sadly at the end it left him with nothing to hold onto once it turned out everyone and everything was an enemy.

I loved Tarkus' fall. Because all the way through the mission he's coaching you and at the end it's a corrupted bolter talking to him.

What makes no sense in the Martellus betrayal arc is that he is the one giving you information on the traitor throuought the campaign just so that he goes "hahaha, it was me all along" in the end. It was pretty goofy.

I believe they really didn't think anyone would be able to mantain everyone pure.

>80 years old.
pretty alright.

Kaptin Bluddflagg easily.

General Stern and Lord General Castor were badass too. Especially compared to Stubbs and Aleksander, who were both generic sci-fi human commanders.

I prefer jonah as a "traitor".

It was too vanilla for me.

Psycher gets possessed by demons, yup, didn't see that coming.

>you know what? that deamon princes head would look really nice mounted on my wall...

Can you even do that?

Aren't daemon princes more incorporeal warpstuff than their former physical bodies?

The Grey Knights have a greater daemon imprisoned in it's own skull mounted in their feasting hall kept bound by the chanting of a fuckton of initiates or whatever.

seems kinda annoying to hear during a meal.

Its weird. I prefer Chaos in most cases, but in DoW, I cant bring myself to go Chaos. Not only because Chaos is easier, but beacause it just feels... wrong?

>Tarkus gives Thaddues orders
>Cyrus acts like the big brother he is and defends little thaddeus from a bad influence

I liked in the Tarkus mission that Cyrus kept his cool all the way, right up until he tried lecturing Thaddeus, whereupon he promptly lost his shit.

>relic makes better characters than GW
>you don't want them to get hurt and fall.
They did the same with company of heroes 1.

"A toast, dear brothers."
>RAAAAFHGKGHFH
"CHANT LOUDER!"
>OLLLLLM
"Brothers, each and every one of you-"
>OLLLLLLM
>IWILLDEVOURYOURHEARTAAAAAAAGGHH
>OLLLLLM
"were it not for the valor, the courage, and the faith of-"
>GRAAAGGHHHRLLR-
>OLLLLLM
"and thus I commemorate this toast to you-"
>DEATHTOTHECARRIONLOR-"
>OLLLLLLLM
"drink up lads!"

that's because you grew a conscience, and faith in the Emperor too bad you have already been tainted*BLAM*

They don't make better characters, you just happen to interact much more with vidya characters than book characters (who would have thought?). GW can't go in depth with their characters without a full BL book; the DoW II team had 2 games focused on them, and some of these characters have been there for 4 games at least.

It's not that weird. That famous FBI agent, Richard Hanson, was selling secrets to the Russians, and ended up being tasked with finding out who was selling secrets to the Russians.

Basically, the FBI put a spy in charge of finding out who the spy way.

It's also a loading screen tip.
It said that people thought he was too young and disagreed with it, but despite that the player character was persisted with.

>they don't make better characters

>coh1 had Captain taylor, Lt Conti and Joseph schultz.

>despite being in the game for a handful of cutscenes they are well defined and crisply handled.

>fox company is in 3 and a half missions and you see a bunch of paratroopers start off as green boys and end up as tactical commandos.

I kinda liked Diomedes when he first appeared in Chaos Rising. Not so much in Retribution.

It also helps that to gain taint you have to go out of your way to be a dick.
>go out of my way to be a dick
>davion calls be a spastic and that he is disappointed is me
>choas run aborted ;_;

Am I weird for not wanting any of those characters to have a significant role in DoW3? Considering their rank and the scale of DoW3 it would make more sense for Diomedes and Jonas to appear

Jonah died in 2, i think.

>get into 40k years ago
>favorite faction Chaos because i'm an edgelord
>slowly get won over by the Imperium
>100% loyalist these last few years (literally reverse corruption)
>decide to do chaos run
>davion says he's dissapoint
>abort immediately
>get good ending
>traitor turns out to be Tarkus, the ONE guy i absolutely didn't want to

Jonah survived and now he is the Chief Librarian in Dawn of War 3.

Well that's nice.

I liked Shas'O Kais, but Thaddeus is top tier. I really do hope we see him again some day.

I wish winter assault was a bit longer and not a multi-campaign deal. A DoW1-length guard campaign with sturnn and the chaplain would have been choice as fuck.

Sturnn needs to come back, literally the best Imperial Commander of all time.

This guy deserved an honourable mention. He survived Angel's gate fighting both Eldar and Tyranid he later would stand with the Blood Angels in their desperate attack against the Hive Fleet. He would then continue to fight against the Black Legion incursion and the remnants of the Tyranids. Despite being a grizzled vet he still cared for his men openly calling out Castor and even punching him in front of a Lord Comissar after the Exterminatus on Typhon.

>while managing to not be obnoxious
Ha-ha.
This guy is literally the worst of all DoW2. Fucking annoying bitch, with a teenage flavour no less. For a fucking space marine sergeant. Disgusting.

Tarkus on the other hand... Who doesn't like Tarkus?

Or this guy. He's a much better character than compulsory betrayer Eliphas. who's voice also started sucking balls.
And then the termie lord ended up being a pushover miniboss. Whelp.

Whops. Wrong picture.

Yea, Merrick is a legend.
Tarkus is literally the second best Blood Raven, right after Mangelos.
I disagree about Eliphas on all counts.

I would have hated Eliphas if it wasn't for his bullshit skills

Oh, yeah, and what's about him?
I'm not talking about how he portraited in Retribution, killing everything on his path, pretty much like every other main character. Tho even then he played an easily offended gal, who just dumped another boyfriend(Araghast) cause she tired of him.
And in Chaos Rising he's simply nothing, just looming on the horizon somewhere until it's his turn to get smacked. I didn't even notice him in that last Ulkair mission.
Where's his genius? Where's his oratory? Pfft.
It's a wonder it wasn't him who started jumping in termo-armour.

Yeah, and FFG dared to kill him. And now karma struck back.

Same thing happened to me. The campaign and the characters slowly won me over.

That being said, Kyrus' final speech was a great pitch for Chaos/Khorne in my opinion.

It's simple, really. It's not about the characters, it's about the performance of chaos.
Incentive.
Everything you can do with chaos trinkets you can do without them just fine and no need to taint yourself.
There's no need to sacrifice purity for the sake of anyone, as it's happens in the lore.
Even when Davian Thule interjects between mission about madness it seems completely out of place, since you didn't even do anything that looks like corruption. You just fought as usual, but with chaos weapons.
Chaos is insidious and uses human weaknesses. This group shows very little worthy of exploiting.
Same as with villains. Galen seems like a stereotypical mad scienties all for nothing.
Otherall, all blame goes to rather primitive plot.
And that's why.

As a person, I really empathised with his humanity. It was only because he was so fucking fragile without Terminator armour that I rarely ever fielded him. Making him go Chaos was the best decision, I fucking steamrolled Araghast, and he was tanky enough to take care of Ulkair together with Tarkus.

I do admit some of his goody two-shoe-ness sucked, though.

>Where's his genius? Where's his oratory?
He failed the Ruinous Powers 3 times and managed to talk his way into getting second chances again and again. That's insane.
>Tho even then he played an easily offended gal, who just dumped another boyfriend(Araghast) cause she tired of him.
Pretty dumb statement, betrayals like that happen in Chaos all the time.

>That's insane.
That's called plot armour, which isn't anything of his own doing. Granted, his first time was good, his other two - he's been dragged as a fanservice.
>Pretty dumb statement
It's pretty fair, since it's exactly how he behaves and talks.
Betrayals like this happen, but for a reason and he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing, only to get stomped ignominously not long afterwards.

>he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing
>taking out the only guy in charge of him and stealing his warband while making a deal with a Greater Daemon that he greatly benefited from is nothing
If he betrayed Araghast just so he could be the boss, it's already a very legit reason. Instead, he betrayed him
>Because Araghast owned his soul
>To be the boss
>to make a deal with Ulkair
I don't understand how you missed this.
>only to get stomped ignominously
He's up against the main characters, no shit he's going to lose. You can shit on Kyras by the same extension. Except Eliphas constantly bounces back from his losses.
>plot armor
Yea, well, a recurring antagonist needs one.

>taking out the only guy in charge of him and stealing his warband while making a deal with a Greater Daemon that he greatly benefited from
So what did he get? Yeah, it's nothing, he's officially being killed 3 times only to get back.
He didn't even had the dignity to escape "back into the shadows, to fight another day".
It may be written in the plot, but it doesn't feels like actually profited, unless you count surviving via plot as profiting.
>no shit he's going to lose. You can shit on Kyras by the same extension
I sure can, as well on Ulkair, but then you can remember that it took heavy assault of the several squads of terminators/specialists to took them down.
Kyros even needs to be shot via orbital strike.
He's eventually defeated, but unknown if killed for good.
With Eliphas, he gets back just BECAUSE.
>a recurring antagonist needs one
Yeah, nah, he needs a good writing, so that he wouldn't need the plot armour to survive.

>We know that Hairgel became a renegade at Kyras' orders after kicking Ulkair's fat ass.
We also know that Angelos was declared a renegade in the same manner, so if Kyras ordered those other guys to go crusade in the Eye of Terror (even though Angelos is the one who does that, in the Pyrrhic Victory ending), Angelos should have gone too.

Or rather, Angelos should have killed himself, since Kyras had sentenced him to death. And if the Blood Ravens under his direct command were still willing to follow Kyras's orders after finding out he was a heretic, then Gabe should have been as well.

Or maybe Retribution never actually gave any indication of what happened to the missing Blood Ravens apart from Avitus, and all claims otherwise are just memes and misinformation.

>he betrayed Araghast literally for nothing
"Bah! He is greedy and honorless scum. He saw his chance to gain power and he took it."

>only to get stomped ignominously not long afterwards.
"A fitting death for a leader of traitors [who betrayed another leader of traitors]."

Kayleth best. Blood Ravens were all fairies.

I fucking loved playing Eldar in a campaign. Do we know what the campaign of DoW3 is like?

The Eldar was pretty fun going through it with as few losses as possible. I did it using almost exclusively the heroes and wraithlords, up until I ran into Kyras and his bullshit amount of health. Ronahn in particular got a lot of tacticool action.

I wasn't a fan of how they shoehorned in those two missions against other Eldar, though. It was like... what's the opposite of plot armour? Where the world shits on characters even if they by all logic should be able to avoid it? 'Cause that's what it was like.

Fuck all space elf faggots

REMOVE ELDAR

CRAFTWORLD EXTERMINATUS BEST DAY OF MY LIFE

Okay, but are you going to contribute to the thread, or just shitpost with stale memes?

Well, when you put it like that, I guess that's fair.
Tho for a favoured of the dark d-gs, he's very lame as a commander unit.

>So what did he get? Yeah, it's nothing
>a warband
>freedom
>OWNERSHIP OF HIS SOUL
Yup, nothing.
>he's officially being killed 3 times only to get back
This is REALLY dumb. You're acting like Eliphas should have known in advance that he was going to lose, and even in that scenario that he should have just accepted his fate and did absolutely nothing to try and change it. I don't understand how you're not getting this. He put himself in a MUCH better position with that betrayal and then lost because the heroes have plot armor.
>He didn't even had the dignity to escape "back into the shadows, to fight another day".
And betray Ulkair? Yea, no. Not to mention, his alliance with Ulkair (which he wisely didn't betray) bore fruit in retribution, where Ulkair joins him. And in the end, he hates Blood Ravens and wanted to kill them after giving himself every advantage and putting them in a very bad spot. He did everything right, just got fucked by plot armor.
>Yeah, nah, he needs a good writing, so that he wouldn't need the plot armour to survive.
EVERYONE worth shit has plot armor, that's a non argument. Eliphas is coming off as a massive threat, extremely cunning, adaptive and resourceful, to be able to cheat damnation so many times. It's good writing in my book. since it's not like he's so cool he just gets back, he's making increasingly riskier alliances and bolder moves to buy himself time. What he pulled with Araghast was nothing short of genius, i can't believe you think he had no reason to betray him.

I am contributing, i just can't stand Eldar. Literally the worst, most insufferable race in the setting.
>Fuck everything up for everyone
>still have the audacity to act like hot shit

Autism is a key criteria to being accepted into the ranks of the space marines. An exended lifespan only means that he gets to stay in his sperger state for a proportionate amount relative to his new lifespan.

>davian cool is such a good character that he burns out heresy in the heart of prospective chaos worshippers.

She is my catty eldar waifu.

>This is REALLY dumb. You're acting like Eliphas should have known in advance that he was going to lose, and even in that scenario that he should have just accepted his fate and did absolutely nothing to try and change it. I don't understand how you're not getting this. He put himself in a MUCH better position with that betrayal and then lost because the heroes have plot armor.
First of all, the games doesn't show him trying very hard or at all, only that he's showing off with his betrayal.
Secondly, his position wasn't bad in the least. He was "ONLY" a second-in-command.
Like I said above, it's not that he lost, it's that he lost miserably, without anything to make up for it.
>And betray Ulkair?
No. Tactical retreat to avoid certain death isn't a betrayal as far as I'm concerned. He could've use the retreating mechanic in the final battle and annoy player to no end with hit and run.
>Eliphas is coming off as a massive cheat
And that's it. His extreme cunning, thread, adaptiveness and resourcefulness is only declarations, much like Abaddon's Crimson Path, which is supposed to turn his 10 millenia of failure into da kunnin plan.
At least the Armless guy showing some progress lately.
>What he pulled with Araghast was nothing short of genius
Well, THIS is really retarded.
He did absolutely nothing special. How exactly is betrayal at the last moment is a genius? That's the most banal thing about chaos space marines.
News flash, traitor legions are actually traitors.

Again, all this was portrayed very badly and Eliphas himself is made of lame. He was better of as an Apostle.

I was a loyalist long before Dow2, m8, Cool just made me feel about even doing a Chaos run after i did a full purity one.

>implying that doesn't apply just as much to humans in 40k
Seriously, humans created three times as many chaos gods, supplied them with the bulk of their elite forces and technology, AND keep fucking things up further with radical inquisitor experiments and Mechanicus expeditions into tomb worlds.

Pic unrelated.

>Secondly, his position wasn't bad in the least. He was "ONLY" a second-in-command.
...are you completely oblivious to the fact that Araghast had ownership of his soul and that Eliphas' entire existence was in the hands of a bloodthirsty madman? And that Eliphas was getting on increasingly thin ice with him? His position was horrible and Araghast was gonna damn him any second. Eliphas, however, had a plan from the beginning, and it bore fruit.
>No. Tactical retreat to avoid certain death isn't a betrayal as far as I'm concerned.
He put all the odds in his favor and then got fucked by plot armor, that's all there is to it.
>le Failbaddon meme XDDDDDD
youtube.com/watch?v=zJ9mDo3Ywrw
>He did absolutely nothing special. How exactly is betrayal at the last moment is a genius?
You really have no fucking clue, do you? Eliphas was FUCKED after Dark Crusade, yet he:
>managed to convince a powerful and influential Chaos Lord to take ownership of his soul
>managed to rise up to be his second-in-command
>managed to create a situation where he could betray him with no danger to himself
>managed to effortlessly take over his warband which was no doubt full of aspiring champions wanting to be leaders themselves
and most importantly
>got his soul back
This is an amazing plan that takes both cunning and balls, and Eliphas pulled it off perfectly. Then he put the magpies at a massive disadvantage, corrupted a main character and released a greater daemon. Without plot armor he would have won in this situation 100%. You really should try to actually think about stuff rather then just want everything literally spelled out for you.

>humans created three times as many chaos gods
Right, cause they're the oldest race in the setting and the gods feed only off them- oh wait!
>supplied them with the bulk of their elite forces and technology
After Eldar gave them access to the Materium.
>AND keep fucking things up further with radical inquisitor experiments and Mechanicus expeditions into tomb worlds
Literally a drop in the ocean that is the Eldar fuckup. Seriously, creating a Chaos God and the Eye of Terror? And then still acting arrogantly and sacrificing entire worlds to save one or two of their species, because ''Mon-Keigh'' are just beasts even though you literally fucked a chaos god and a hole in reality into existence you degenerate fucks?
Fuck Eldar and ESPECIALLY fuck Dark Eldar. If they all disappeared tomorrow the galaxy would be better off.

>...are you completely oblivious to the fact that Araghast had ownership of his soul and that Eliphas' entire existence was in the hands of a bloodthirsty madman?
Well, I am, but it doesn't change one bit about his stance.
>youtube
I closed it after hearing the voice. Pathetic. Whatever Failbaddon apologists can came up with, it will not change the fact that he's a failure that only recently got half-assed excuses for his 12 failed crusades.
Even with the late Cadia fall he still almost smacked right in the face, forcing him to withdraw and destroy Cadia.
>Eliphas was FUCKED after Dark Crusade
That I do know, and yet all those are simply green text.
He managed it just because. It's offered simply as a statement of fact, rather than any plot line.
He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win, and yet he somehow getting back? That's retarded. I don't understand why he has such a huge harem of fags.
Even Abaddon has more credit than this creep.
>corrupted a main character
But he didn't. They even stated the reason Hairgel isn't shown - he went into hiding from Blood Ravens still loyal to Kyras.
>Without plot armor he
would've even showed up so far and stayed dead.
Thing is, I'm actually thinking about stuff unlike you, who just ate it without wondering why exactly is it like this.
Eliphas is lame. Period.
Discussing him any further is redundant.

sauce? I'm pretty sure the other 3 weren't created by humans, after all Slaneesh is the youngest of the 4

Thaddeus and Aramus (hairgel) are on penitent crusade to the Eye

>Paul Dobson isn't returning to voice Gabriel Angelos for DoW 3

REEEEEELICCCCCCCCCCC

>I closed it after hearing the voice. Pathetic.
Right, cause you're a macho alpha here browsing Veeky Forums. If you want to resort to ignoring stuff that kills your argument fine by me, but that's conceding. Glad we got that out of the way.
>Whatever Failbaddon apologists can came up with
Watch the video and then i dare you to challenge ONE of his points.
>He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win
>He's repeatably shown to be lacking in strengh and smarts to win
Against main characters, yes. He owns literally everyone else he comes across.
>and yet he somehow getting back?
Cause against non-plot armored people his cunning actually works.
>But he didn't. They even stated the reason Hairgel isn't shown
I was talking about the traitor in CR. Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that fucking Araghast could have the subtlety and cunning to recruit a loyalist to his cause.
>Thing is, I'm actually thinking about stuff unlike you, who just ate it without wondering why exactly is it like this.
Which is why you completely failed to grasp his motivations and actions even after i explained them to you 3 times.
>I don't understand why he has such a huge harem of fags.
Says the little bitch who got triggered by someone's voice on youtube. Seriously, the only reason that would bother you is insecurity, probably projecting yourself onto it or vice-versa. Then again, i'm talking to someone who just eats the shit 1d4chan drops in his mouth rather then actually think about how fucking impressive is to be able to just unite all Chaos warbands, even for a second. Then again, Abaddon's motivations and goals run FAR deeper then that, but you can choose to remain ignorant and meme on. The funny thing is, i'm not even that huge of an Eliphas fan, Angelos, Tarkus, Diomedes, Thule, i love all of those guys more, i'm just able to actually grasp his motivations and actions beyond what the character says out loud.

>DoW 3
REEEEEEEEE

Is there a reason?

Old fluff claimed that the other three douches came around certains times of human history, like Nurgle was born during the Black Plague.

Oh, looks like I hurt your feelings. Sorry, I don't feel sorry.
Was it about Eliphas being a lame bitch or did your inferiority complexes switched in after I mentioned that pathetic voice?
I already defeated all of his potential points above. Abaddon is superior only because he's stated to be. Before (now not so) recent fluff he was just a failure.
As for Eliphas, I already said everything, you just can't admit that he's that pathetic. They were unable to show him like that.

>I can't refute anything so i'll just call him mad and go ''n-no y-you''

>Right, cause they're the oldest race in the setting and the gods feed only off them- oh wait!
The point wasn't "Eldar dindu nuffin", it was "everyone in 40k is shit and don't have the moral high ground over anyone else". The Eldar aren't anything special in that regard.
>After Eldar gave them access to the Materium.
Say what? How does that follow when Slaanesh is the youngest of the Chaos gods? It's not like humans didn't have access to the Warp before that.
>And then still acting arrogantly and sacrificing entire worlds to save one or two of their species
I'm gonna just stop you there, 'cause there isn't a single faction in the setting that would hestitate for an instant to sacrifice any number of outsiders to save one of their own. Hell, most wouldn't even need the excuse.

Honestly, I'm not sure where it's taken from, but the other three Chaos gods were all sentient by the time of the second millenium AD (while Slaanesh came about in 29M). Specifically, I think they said that Khorne was born from the Crusades and Nurgle got a big boost from the Black Death.

Which I think is kinda dumb and stupidly human-centric, but that's 40k-writers for ya.

>I can't refute anything
Lol. Keep closing your eyes and yelling "la-la-la". It 'll sure make Abaddon and Eliphas better.

Funny, that's what you're doing. I stated facts.

I stated facts as well. It's about how you interpret them.

Not even the guy you've been arguing with, but you should probably stop. I shouldn't even be giving you attention, but you've been repeatedly and decisively proven to be either incorrect or ignorant. You just look like an idiot, seriously. I don't like Abaddon as a character, and I'm not even that fond of the chaos characters from the series, but he's right, you're wrong, stop wasting everyone's time.

Sure, sure, I believe it's not you. And you certainly don't couldn't care less to attemp samefagging.