Pathfinder General /pfg/

Any suggestions for what would pair well with an alchemical scoundrel in a gestalt?

Witch works well.

What do you want to do?

I don't really like Witches for several reasons, but it's my fault for not specifying.

I kinda wanted something that could mix it up in melee a bit, but Int based initiators are spares. Like I could just go Zweisent but I'm honestly getting sick of playing those and every other Int based initiator is either d8 3/4ths BAB or has jank progression(looking at you Initiator Soul) and I won't really have the stats for a decent Con score to make up for squishiness.

What's Alchemical Scoundrel?

Why is aegis janky?

Customization to get maneuvers on top of 6th level initiators already odd progress. It just doesn''t feel good and I'm just not a big fan of the aegis in general. I'm not interested in power stone fuckery or constant reconfigurating shit so a lot of the class is basically wasted.

... actually those are pretty minor things, and you can archetype out of some of the reconfiguring stuff too.

Most Aegis basically build a 'default', and stick to it all the time, with reconfiguration only really showing up for special occasions (like you're going underwater and won't need flight).

If memory serves, Aegis actually NEEDS to spend points to get more maneuvers. They don't actually have a base progression.

They just use the table for what level they can access.

I think. It's been a while and it wasn't even me who was doing this.

It's janky though.

They get 3/3/1 from the base two-point customization. Additional maneuvers known (stances are separate but when you can reconfig and all that you don't really need more than one unless you're stance-dancing) are a point for two the first purchase and 1pt each after that. Every two purchases of additional maneuvers adds a readied as well not just a known.

However, because you can reconfigure all that on the fly (in fact, that's their recovery method), there's some advantages and disadvantages:

>You always need the prereqs because you don't get to train them out at higher levels

>You can switch what you've got even during a fight, it's just an action cost.

It's actually incredibly versatile, but you WILL be putting in quite a few points into maneuvers if you want the better ones. Still, it's a very very strong initiating support whether for multiclassing or in a gestalt.

Tonight on Dragons intro:
>Tiny took offense about his size inside a massive auditorium

>Kobold attempts Symmetrical Docking.

Off to a fine start. Details on either of those available?

The kobold was dislodged from her seat by the Queen landing, and then from her taking off again.

Both times, she landed in Freyda's cleavage.

And suddenly I'm glad I didn't get selected!

Shittest of taste. You either enjoy a lamia to the fullest, or you have your subpar Kitsune waifu. You don't smash them together and think that's better.

You're not making either better, you're making both worse.

Class comes with a flaw depending on one's elemental choice (for dragons not kineticists); in my case I have a slowly scaling Will DC when insulted to avoid overreacting. The chairman or whatever of the floor grants right of speech to the wrong person, because Atolm was too small from notice across a frickin stadium.

First roll of the game...

And anything I was planning to suggest at that point flies out the window as I start publicly accusing him of having no muscle, only being huge because everything in him is fat, and of being the thieving pervert they've been having problems with at the bathhouse at the top of my lungs.

You sir are completly wrong.

Is that a llama naga?

>The restful llama naga reads the Ramayana.
>The restful llama naga reads the Ramayana.
>The restful llama naga reads the Yama - dammit!

Where are redheads most common in Golarion?

Did that Tactician Vigilante archetype come out yet? If so, how is it?

Some porn artists with a monstergirl fetish decided that it is a great idea to have that kitsune tohou character transform herself into a lamia to rape some dogboy so then he can draw a lamiagirl-foxgirl hybrid.
Because "reasons".
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What happened?

These threads helped popularized their work, if he didn't want that he shouldn't have created shit.

Then again, these threads are the home of degeneracy and society's dregs.

Whatever lets you ride an ogre.

Anyone looking forward to Starfinder?

Yep, just came out in Intrigue Archetypes earlier today. Also it's awesome because arcanist casting is awesome.

I'm looking forward to writing FOR Starfinder #hashtagGOALS

That's not the question, you shill.

Has anyone actually used the Betrothed archetype for Avowed yet? Is it playable?

I've built one for an upcoming game and it's looking very comfy.

In many ways it's like having two separate PCs except with many caveats to stop you from doubling down and slaughtering one enemy twice as fast.

I don't think I ever claimed NOT to be a shill.

Also I'm looking forward to seeing the mechanics of it more than anything. Golarion isn't my favorite setting, but hellknights in space is enough to pique my interest. Free Comic Book day is going to be pretty interesting when the preview comes out.

Hey /pfg/ I posted here last night asking about a game, but nobody ever contacted me, so I'm asking again. Does anyone have a game that's roughly bi-weekly that a forever GM could play in?
Sunstorm#0871 on Discord.

Alright, since i'm going to bed now, I might as well repost the link to the lfg thing I have where i'm looking for five people for a non-lewd/non-ERP game, involving a fuckton of houserules, including one feat tax reduction document I found and then promptly modified, along with a Fighter rework that looks rather promising.

app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/67758/pathfinder-the-houserule-testing-edition

If anyone has questions or whatever just post in the topics in that game's forum and i'll get to 'em later today, and I do recommend that people take their time readin' the houserule document since it's got some neat stuff like alternate stats for skills, feat autoprogression, and for some feats, even scaling by BAB.

We're running Reign of Winter! Anyone else want Reign of Winter, or a different AP?

Stop being a shitshill.
I look forward to seeing how the bloated corpse of pathfinder plods ahead, drenching its surroundings with maggots.

I have a question for you: why the fuck did you waste my time with that Fighter rework which is more words than and charitably about even with saying "You get AAT/AWT abilities/feats every X levels and Combat Stamina free. You also get the Martial Master archetype/Barroom Brawler for free."

Between that bushel of bullshit and thinking SoP can save you from optimized casters, I have no faith in these houserules.

>thinking SoP can save you from optimized casters,
Got a better solution, asshole?

Your slayer is too strong. Drop the casting to low casting.

Your monk is still too weak. Gestalt it with something.

I'm still up due to downloading Reign of Winter for looking at it later today, so i'll answer this with simply: "I found it while looking at the pathfinder tier list and found it to be neat as heck."

Plus there's more shit reworked for UC Rogues, UC Monks, Slayer (Gonna get bumped down to Low Spherecasting most likely). Martials also get the Unchained Skills for free on top of that, along with the houserules allowing for alternate stats for skills on top of that. And Spherecasting is one of the more balanced magic systems i've seen in a D20 System aside from D20 Modern's solution of "All the casters are now prestige classes and are capped to fifth level spells and also have some hefty requirements to get into."

I'm not sure what to gestalt it with, to be honest. I might port the less nerfed versions of some of their abilities from 3.5e, along with improving their existing class abilities (Fast movement and AC bonus working in light armor, along with being proficient in light armor and a martial weapon group, maybe?)

Gestalt the monk with Unchained rogue. Now you might be thinking, "Nah, fuck that, monks aren't sneaky," but think about it.

It means monks can use their mobility to get into a place to sneak attack, and then blow out enemies with Flurry of Blows sneak attacks.

Think about it. It's really good.

Play 5e instead. You'd be a lot happier.

I like your way of thinking! I still might do my ideas though in addition to that.

5e lacks content so i'm stuck playing this shitty system and trying to improve it.

Gestalt monks with unchained rogues and give them good Will.

You're done.

The Fighter Rework includes a new type of save progression that i'm already attaching to every martials' saves that are on the lowest save progression, so their max will bonus is going to be +10.

Enjoy your false complexity and slew of options that are fucking awful.

Have you actually tried looking through the rules for the 5e? Or do you parrot what others just spew?

If you're gestalting monk with Unchained rogue, give them something at level 2 to make up for the redundant evasion.

Give them Boxing and Open Hand as free spheres, so that they don't, like, have to waste spheres just to get something they already had.

Right, probably gonna use Level 2 to give them free access to the Boxing and Open Hand spheres in that case.

I enjoy 5e, but it honestly needs some more meat on it's bones, and the balance is still kinda iffy (Way of four elements monks and eldritch knight fighters say hoi.)

I've played and GMed 5e a few times and also built or seen every class in action, and I agree with that user.

Compared to PF, 5e's content is a barren plane.

Homebrew for making odd-numbered attributes matter as well as making strength not suck! Rate me! pastebin.com/F43xTeGS

It's a neat idea, but why do odd-numbered attributes NEED to matter in the first place?

The wis/dex/con ones are too fiddly.
In my opinion the bonuses need to be something you can write on your sheet once and then forget about, like extra trait, extra favored class, higher max dex, etc.

The random +1s and +2s that apply often are just too fiddly to bother with.

AT least 5e's content is actually content, instead of just crap.

Say what you will about 5e, when they make a feat called "Crossbow Expert" It gets some goddamned value and use, instead of being a complete waste of design space that makes crossbows shitty for the next five years.

Compared to PF, 5e's classes actually work and work well, wot4e monk and PHB ranger notwithstanding, but they fixed the ranger in a UA. The eldritch knight is actually good.
There's also the UAs which been released and of course homebrew, but that's hit or miss compared to the solid design of the core 5e engine.

Pathfinder is buried under a shit ton of non options, which you guys seem to think are actual legitimate options, but the fact PF actually needs houserules or 3pp or homebrew to actually have some semblance of playability is saying a great deal.
We've played PF for a while, never again.

Saying PF has heaps of content is disingenuous, since a lot of that is complete shit. Who the fuck designed the feat trees?
And saying 5e is a barren plane or lscks6 content is also disingenuous.

Why can't you accept that some people still like PF more than 5e?

I agree, 90% of PF's options are crap.

But it says something about 5e that even the 10% of workable stuff PF has is more content and variation than all of what 5e has in total.

Honestly, the entire reason i'm doing that houserule test game is so I can see just how Pathfinder is with more powerful martial classes, the feat trees more or less removed in their entirety, and with some of the most heinous feat taxes removed or at least reworked to be actually kind of interesting. And, besides, 5e really does kind of have a drought of content, which isn't helped by the fact that most of the D&D design team got laid off just before 5e was supposed to come out, which is why there's such a slow trickle of stuff compared to previous editions.

Anyways, my download finished a minute or two ago so i'm going to head to bed for now, anyone interested in my game knows where to talk about it.

Why do you have Stockholm Syndrome?

Haha, uwotm8.
Wizards in this edition at least are concerned about quality and it shows.
Meanwhile Paizo has perpetual content diarrhoea. Yeah but it's like finding gold nuggets once or twice in an ocean of shit.

Have you played with all the variation and content of the stuff in 5e? All of it?

You might find that's too much work to involve yourself in, especially because the content creators of both 3xe ivory tower design and PFbutthurt edition are against you.

Say what you will about Wizards and 5e but they actually care about the quality of content, and this is the reason for the trickle of content.
They also don't want to inundate the market like they did in previous editions.
PF is inundating the market with filth because the 3e engine failed a long time ago and they can't do anything about it except to still crank out garbage.
Their support of butthurt will ultimately fail them.

user, there's 24 disciplines in Path of War plus 6 full initiators and a slew of archetypes, plus prestige classes. Even going with 3 disciplines per build, there's easily over a thousand viable permutations that are all workable, with sub variations since many disciplines offer a variety of maneuvers and effects.

Epic. I have Stockholm Syndrome because you don't like PF, even when I play plenty of different RPGs including 5e and I'm not wading into /5eg/ trying to argue for PF's superiority.

You realize we're talking about core vs core, yeah?
If you want to cite 3pp, 5e has heaps of 3pp content and content from the DMGuild.

You do, I used to like PF but my rose-tinted glasses blinded me to the fact I was playing around with shit.

If you don't like it leave?

>Playing Core only Pathfinder

user, I don't have rose-tinted glasses. I KNOW that I'm playing with shit. But I also know that, with third party content, there are somethings I can only really do with Pathfinder unless I get a doctorate in GURPS.

I know that 5e has better design than 3.X. You don't need to go on a crusade through /pfg/.

Why do you persist in playing it if you know it's literal shit?
You realize 5e has 3pp as well don't you? You realize it has the same number of options as PF except these options are actually well designed, don't you?

What the fuck.

Hahaha. Nice. Very nice.

That's the joke and it's a joke.

Is it because his arguments are well articulated and you don't want to hear what you should really hear?

Stop playing a shitty game like Pathfinder and come to the D100 side.

>You realize it has the same number of options as PF except these options are actually well designed, don't you?
No it fucking doesn't. Most of 5e's 3pp is still end-user garbage-tier homebrew rather than shit from actual publishers. Translate the entirety of Spheres of Power and Spheres of Might into 5e and then we'll talk.

No it's because he is trying to start an edition war when it frankly comes down to personal preference.
Each edition has its own strengths and weaknesses, and trying to argue one is better in the general for a different edition is just bad taste.
I would expect the same reaction if we were to goto 5th edition general and start posting about how amazing pathfinder is.
It is a shitty thing to do and rather childish and blatant bait posting.

Cubicle 7, Dias Ex Machina, Goodman Games, Kobold Press, Necromancer Games, Sasquatch Game Studios, Green Ronin to name a few would like a word with you.
You're thinking of DMsGuild which is user created. The listed above are actual 3pp.

PF was created because of butthurt and you sound really butthurt, guess that's fitting.

>Wizards in this edition at least are concerned about quality and it shows.

Wizards were concerned about quality when they made 4e.
5e is just made taking all of 4e's good decisions and then dressing them up to appeal to all the people who wanted 'real DnD again' while simultaneously chucking out a bunch of good ideas that wouldn't market well.
Half of 5e's decisions were made not for a good game, but a marketable one to save face from 4e's terrible reception.

Now, don't get me wrong, 5e does a lot of nice things, but it really isn't hard to stumble into design flaws.
Expertise breaking the skill DC system over its knee, Sorcerers being gimped three ways with nothing to say for it, the complete arbitrary nature of what recharges on short rest and what doesn't (Seriously, druid wild shape is short rest recovery while barbarian rage is long?).

I burnt out on 5e so fast. It's neater designed, but it's so boring because the only ways to play each class are the ones that fit the designer's narrow range of appropriate playstyles. Even 5e 3pp is boring because 5e's system set bad precedents that 3pp has to follow to not blow base classes out of the water.

>I would expect the same reaction if we were to goto 5th edition general and start posting about how amazing pathfinder is.

It's a free country but no one will believe you if you say PF is amazing.
One is telling things as it is, you'd be lying.

>It's a free country but no one will believe you if you say PF is amazing.
>I am objectively correct on my opinion.
No wonder your general is so dead you need to come to ours.

Does 5eg run cute lewd games for its community though?

I think that's something /pfg/ has over you guys

Keeping expertise dice and the sorcerer chassis would've have been good but Wizards in their infinite retarded wisdom listened to the 3e/PF players who influenced design in a shit way. The fact 5e's core design is still good despite this influence is kudos to the strong design of the system.

3e/PF fans shit the bed for all of us.

Both generals are probably dead because it's 5:30 in the fucking morning in burgerland, why are you two assholes still here?

You needed a better DM or to be a better DM.

Since you seem to be having trouble finding it here you go

A good DM can save almost every system.

In fact I would say one of PF's strengths over 5e is that it functions relatively better than 5e would with a bad DM at the helm.

Because so much of 5e adjudication is in the blank space of "dunno ask your gm"

Sure if you'd like, but you'd just be laughed off for your blatant lies. And then you'll come crying back.

You guys and this general are sorely in need of friends.

Stop snivelling.

>implying people in lewd games aren't friends

Only retards need mechanical adjudication and prompting, you can roleplay without a mechanical prompt. PF teaches bad habits that way.

You need female friends and companionship, I know it's hard for the people in this general.

5e teaches worse habits, it encourages a very dictatorial, controlling style of GMing rather than a cooperative one, and players to accept that lack of real agency separate from what the GM will allow them to do.

user just disengage from them they just want you to post and react to them. They are just fishing for (You)s.

Hahaha, that's hilarious that you'd think this.
Also you fucking what?
What shitty DMs have you playing under or are you lying to not seem like a retard again?

>Percentage of 5e games games I've had fun in: ~30%
>Percentage of PF games I've had fun in: ~80%

Checkmate 5efags

>says the guy defending the game where your character needs a feat to be physically capable of firing a crossbow while prone

How do you figure? This seems like what PF DMs and players are.

Where are you pulling that from your arse.

75% of people on the internet can make up statistics.

This really baffles me, where in the what?

Hey... wait a second...
Dungeonworld user, is that you? Did you finally graduate to a better system than DW?