Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1323: Numerical Calibration Edition

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Like 3-4 out of several billions humans are those strongest. It's not semantics to say they're not especially strong when 99.999% or whatever of all humans do not portray anywhere near that power.

Krillin settled down eventually, why would he need to continue training more then necessary? I don't think Piccolo peaked so much as his fight opponents were rising in power way faster then he was training and he doesn't seem to fight much past a certain point either.

Yes, I'm aware. When did I deny that? My point is that humans aren't notably stronger or innately advantaged. There's certainly strong humans but the race as a whole is not innately the most powerful one in the universe or close to it. There's also the fact that Olibu is anime only and thus not really canon which detracts quite a bit.

Indeed and if they then put in the training, they can get strong too. Humans are just not innately advantaged over other races in regards to ki stuff.

When I checked, it seemed like they could train. 18 at least seems capable of growing stronger. I imagine that 17 is going to be shown to have done the same in the upcoming Super arc, if he's going to do anything but just die instantly.

Noted where?

It's what happens in the second version of the OVA. I don't believe it's come up yet in multiverse.

Olibu is kinda filler though.

We've had literally hundreds of DBZ quests.
most die early from lack of interest and hack writing, but DBZ Human Quest went pretty far.
I didn't read the whole thing, but it was kind of interesting and not awful. Olibu made appearances and his existence was kind of the excuse for humans to be relevant.

It's just notable when you have people like the Ginyu force run around talking about how they're only as powerful as they are because they're mutants and such. Makes it seem like other races can't/don't train to higher power levels like some humans do.

And Burter said he was the fastest guy in the universe despite working alongside multiple people he knew was way stronger and thus way faster. I'm not really keen on taking those guys words as gospel when they generally seem stupid, arrogant or just plain unaware of some obvious stuff.

Anyone else have trouble deciding when to take Jumps?

>Is the Ghost Warriors stay dead if they are killed in a similar manner to the original from the Novel version? I don't remember it from the comic.
The perk appears to be based on the version from the OVA, which is completely different from the one in the webcomic since the author decided to rewrite some stuff when taking material from outside of the main DBZ series (such as the OVA).

Actually it seems to be a mixture of the two since the perk also has stuff from comic version too, kind of weird.

That's why I don't have a solid jump order

Yes, I wanted to take my chain slow since I imagine a real jumper would do that for safety reasons but there aren't all that many low power/danger jumps that interest me.

If Solars was out I'd probably take it as one of my first five jumps.

I pick out a couple that I want to jump in general and then roll through them.
If for some reason I don't want what I rolled at that time I take it off the list since It shouldn't have been on there in the first place.
It takes a while, but I end up where I really wanted to be after it's done.

It's not really different? As far as I'm aware, the only 'differences' are that the comic hasn't yet shown whether they still have the permakill feature or not. The option is weaker then the comics version, which just takes ghosts from everyone that dies around the item whether it's by your hand or not, but that wouldn't have been offered. I thought making it into an innate ability instead of a big ass sphere would make up for the difference some.

Howdy /JC I've been working on Jump builds for a bit, annoyingly the current chain ended on a nat 100 at a bad moment. Ah well next build!

Yo Val

> DBZ Human Quest
Huh I'd read it. But then again Mortal Heroes Gauntlet and all that.

As for Multiverse I kinda wanna be a Human Gag Character and just win because of weird stuff. I believer I've either stolen this desire from some user or already said this at some point though.

How slow? We have quite a few (Atleast eight) low powered Jumps were you could build up power easily.

Currently planning on a fate/ arc that will roughly go Fate/Zero -> Fate/Stay Night -> Fate/Extra (Maybe) -> More fate stuff. The big issue is that my jumper is slowly getting to powerlevels where JUMPER might actually have a shot at killing me so I have to pick jumps that don't give me lethal powers or low power jumps

Yes. All the time.
I start off with low level stuff, before moving up to more high-powered settings.
And if there's 2 or more jumps in the same setting? I take them back to back.

Still doesn't make it easy to decide exactly what I want to do.

I don't know what you guys are talking about. The obvious reason for why people take Cell and Buu is because they're the sexiest races.

He just want to be special

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>How slow?
Very slow, basically I want to amass power slowly while taking minimal risks. It is harder than it sounds since playing it safe makes obtaining the power my cautious and paranoid jumper needs to move into more powerful jumps confidently are hard to get in lower power jumps.

Most of the solutions I have found for this problem are to just take a high power jump with a survival based build but that defeats the purpose.

S:TAS 1.2 is a go.

Changelog:

Clarified that super powers do not receive discounts.

Clarified that Fine Control works on all powers, not just "super powers".

Buffed pretty much all of the import companion options.

Clarified that The Jumpers get more CP for each member when you spend CP on them.

Added a The Multiversity reference.

Added a new 400 CP drawback.

Provisionally added a drawback limit of three drawbacks (not including the drawback incurred from being a Hero or Villain). Not to sure on this number and would like to get the right balance on it.

>And Burter said he was the fastest guy in the universe despite working alongside multiple people he knew was way stronger and thus way faste
Contrary to Team Four Star's joke specialization is a thing in Dragonball
Someone with a lower power level can be faster, even MUCH faster, than someone with a higher power level. They just suffer in other areas.
The Ginyu Force only knew about Freiza's first transformation, not about his second or his Final Form. As far as Burter was aware he WAS the fastest in the universe.

The original Ghost Warriors reform instantly unless they are killed in a similar manner as the original.

The Webcomic versions are weaker in that they lack this immunity but they seem to come back just fine if they are killed.

Drawback limits are for shitbags.

>they're the sexiest races.
>Cell
Eh.
>Buu
That majin lady is a cute.

You can easily do that with the existing array of low power jumps. There's enough of them to get up to five centuries or so of experience.

>Guldo

>I thought making it into an innate ability instead of a big ass sphere would make up for the difference some.
But if it is inside me that means that I can't upgrade it to solve the bug that makes it only work if I kill them!

But Goku was faster then Burter. Sure, specialisation is a thing, but Goku wasn't specialised for speed, and he was still faster. Presumably, Frieza would be as well.

>Generic Post-Apocalypse Jump question.
>Eye in the Sky.
>Does the satellite actually exist in the jump (or later jumps)
>I mean it IS 400 CP.
>I wan to pay 50 CP to choose the settings and make it the after the end setting planet of MST3K, and take the Eye in the Sky, which is Mike Nelson on the Satellite of Love.

That sounds cool to me?
I've always imagined it as not-a-real-satellite. As in, it doesn't really exist in the sky. It's an intangible thing that watches you _as though_ it was a satellite, contacts you _as though_ there was someone in a bunker trying to relay comms to you, but isn't really. It's a perk. Because not necessarily every post-apocalypse will have satellites (maybe in a divine post-apoc it's actually a watching angel?), and that would limit its usefulness if you went from one world to another.

If you want to fluff it being a real satellite, that there really is someone watching you from it, or on a screen in a bunker, that's cool. But the thing is the perk is not a habitat or a home, so you shouldn't be actually going to it and treating it as a place.

Yeah, sorry, but if you're wanting me to believe Burter was honestly faster then Ginyu or even first form Frieza, you'll need to prove it.

The webcomic ones reform instantly too. It happened multiple times in the flashback when they fought Hirudegarn.

What a pity.

The Sixty Four drawback seems...incomplete? It tells you about where you've arrived, but not about anyway to escape, or if you're just stuck there for ten years.

Sounds like he got the tone of the game just right.

Good news, not dead just hurt. Really really hurt.

I'm halping!
1. Run a Mortal Hero Gauntlet (Just to get a taste of it and maybe some neat stuff, also my hunger for builds is stupid high)
2. Hollywood for some Charisma
3. Some Filler (Ace Attorney, Aria, Anno 2070, etc)
4. Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass (These are neat, low power, and Red Queen 'teleport' is neat.)

One of the biggest indicators of this post-DB was Super Trunks vs. Perfect Cell. Trunks WAS at an equal or greater power level, but he had made himself too heavy and slow and thus the technically weaker Perfect Cell kicked his ass due to being much faster.

...oh. Son of a bitch, I didn't even catch that. I thought it was just supposed to be some eldritch hell hole from the show.

Guys. Guys, BEERUS AND WHIS

Nobody except Kais know those two exist.

Appeared in Multiverse at one point, yeah.

Reposted from last thread.

Question about Minish Cap:
Does 'Read the Guide' render 'The Importance of Placement' useless?

I would imagine that a mental strategy guide would include the location of traps and the solution to puzzles.

Or Cold or Frieza. Or Vegeta and presumably any Saiyan close to the royalty.

So you like them?

What are you talking about? Beerus at least is very well known from what we've seen, with King Cold, Frieza, and King Vegeta being well aware of who they are.

Part of me wants to argue the meta argument, but I can't because I hate people who argue the meta argument.

You're just wrong. Beerus stepped on King Vegeta's head in his own throne room for fuck sake.

I thought Frieza basically shat a brick when they met in RoF

I'm talking about at the time of Namek Saga, dude. When Burter made his boast.

who he is*

He's the God of Destruction who regularly goes around blowing up planets because that's his job. He'd be pretty well known in-universe.

You know it would have been pretty cool if Superman 64 was some kind of eldrich alternate dimension in STAS.
Could have had an episode where Luthor traps Superman and friends in there or something.
It would have been meta as hell, but if played totally straight I think it could have worked.

All the characters I mentioned would have met him by then or have become known of him by then. If you're talking in a meta sense, not even the kais would know of him because he wasn't written in yet.

I thought he had been asleep for x amount of time by the time the series started.

Isn't Jaco aware of him too? That'd definitely give credence to him being well known on a universal level.

>The webcomic ones reform instantly too. It happened multiple times in the flashback when they fought Hirudegarn.
Only three die in that, a two nameless Saiyans and Goku/Raditz mom. none of whom we see again in that side story.

Well, he showed up in King Vegeta's throne room a short while before Frieza blew it up. So he hasn't been asleep for THAT long. Plus, this . Jaco knew who Beerus was, and asked for Bulma to take a picture with Beerus in the background and Jaco in the front, because Beerus is that well known.

Not really. Having a guide telling you about stuff is nice and all, but the Importance of Placement might be more useful if you expand what your definition of puzzles and traps is. It's ten minutes of observation on an instinctive trapsense, kind of a surprise negotiator to use loose terms (Yes it helps get you out of puzzles and traps that even would surprise the guide It's helpful even when the guide isn't.).

I'm pretty sure we directly see several got pierced and then just reform after being hit.

Again. Not long enough for Frieza to have forgotten about him.

Beerus a cute.

Meta Argument.

He went to sleep around the time Goku was born.

Plus King Cold directly told Frieza "Don't fuck with Majin Buu or Beerus, they will end you." Of course, the former doesn't hold much ground since Frieza surpassed him in a matter of months, but...

There are 4 ghost Saiyans in that chapter, three of them die and they are not seen again in the chapter. I am looking at it now.

Reminder that the Gods of Destruction and the Omni-King are evil and you should probably find a way to stop them if such a way presents itself in DBZ or otherwise travel to a universe that allows you to get up to 'casually blowing up multiple universes at once' level.

>since Frieza surpassed him in a matter of months,
It's implied no one in space actually trains, they just rely on their natural strength.

They are living engines of Entropy. Entropy is not evil. Is the way some of them, like Beerus, go about it Evil? Yes, but the act of being an agent of Entropy is in and of itself not evil. Everything dies user.

If you say so.

Meta-how is that meta?! That's giving a perfectly good reason why he'd be known in-universe! Besides which, we've already proven people still know about him since Jaco knew about him in RoF.

Reminder that the Omni-King casually obliterated twelve universes. You're not fighting him until post-spark.

>"Lord Beerus! I feel a Main Character is about to be born!"
>"Can't be bothered dealing with it, takin' a nap."

dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Rage

Apparently, you don't even need the convoluted bullshit of achieving SSG, since Trunks here manages to fight against the Super Sayain Rose (aka the bad guy's Bluper Sayain form) just from being that ungodly pissed. It probably doesn't have god ki though.

I made a mistake, I meant to link to He went to sleep because the Oracle Fish told him about the Super Saiyan God.

>Entropy is not evil.
This is where you're wrong.

>You're not fighting him until post-spark.
No shit.

Jaco is as aware of Beerus as you are of God. You know of Him but He's just a mythological being belonging to an old religion.

>I made a mistake
Oh, my bad. Shouldn't have snapped at you like that, especially if it was just a mis-link,

>Entropy is evil
It's a natural part of the universe, that's like saying gravity is evil, or time is evil.

So thermodynamics is evil now?

Proof?

>Thinking a natural part of existence is Evil
Oh, hello Bancho

He asked for Bulma to take a picture of him with Beerus in the background. That's not how most people would react to seeing God, that's how most people would react to seeing a celebrity or national leader.

>Thinking the wanton destruction of life isn't evil.

Gotta admit-if I WERE choosing my race based solely on sexiness, I'd like to see if it's possible to be a Pillar Man-Buu instead of a blob or a cute girl.

Say Val, if you have a perk like [MELODY] that lets you tap into cartoon physics with comedic timing and access to energy like [STARLIGHT] that lets you empower it, can you theoretically use that to enhance your Gag World powerlevel (gaglevel) by injecting yourself with it?

Also what do senzu beans taste like? Do they lose their properties if cooked? Would they go better as a bean soup, or a sticky bean bun?

>Get so pissed you can outpunch god

Oh right, also since the Importance of Placement would take your own abilities into account it could help where the Guide couldn't, since the guide would just tell you about the trap and how to solve it the in context way which you may not be able to do. The Importance of Placement could give you an OOC solution that incorporates your abilities since it is your own analysis of the trap/puzzle.

Did I get that right?

It's cool dude.

Jaco laughs at Bulma for thinking Beerus is real, until he actually sees Beerus. Everyone else seems to know he's real though.

Oddly enough he doesn't act as though Beerus is an actual god, and more just a myth.

>Reminder that the Omni-King casually obliterated twelve universes. You're not fighting him until post-spark.

A stint in General Xianxia for several Aeons will make you able to take him on one handed.

watch the Resurrection F movie (give me 20 minutes to download it and find the scene). He specifically states that Beerus is from an old religion.

Bullshit, in today's society a normal person would ask for a selfie with god.

>I'd like to see if it's possible to be a Pillar Man-Buu
Here you go.

Yep.

You said entropy is evil. That really doesn't make any sense.
I can understand not liking it, but really now it's no more evil than up or relative space.

But maybe this is more your speed.

Life would suck if nothing died.

If those perks work on any form of cartoon physics, sure whatever. If they're specific to each other or just one series, no.

No idea what the taste like, lima beans I assume. They've never been cooked to my knowledge. This is generally stuff you can find by using something called a wiki.

When entropy is a thinking person I can punch it in the face for killing people, alright? And when their boss kills entire universes of people just because he wants to, then I AM going to punch him in the face.

How many super saiyan forms are we at now?

I like how Super Buu seemed to be a stupid brute at first, but then turned out to be actually very intelligent. Though I was disappointed by how he just became a less entertaining Cell once he absorbed Gohan.

Are we counting GT? If so, that's...eight, I believe, nine if we count Super Saiyan Blue with Kaioken, ten if you count False Super Saiyan.

If you don't count filler I think we're at 7ish.
If you do count filler and full power versions than about 2 dozen.

Super Buu definitely isn't very adult in mindset. He's kinda like a caveman. He's not stupid, but he is pretty primitive and impulsive. He's still actually clever and wily though.

Once he absorbs Piccolo he genuinely becomes extremely intelligent, though.

>Also what do senzu beans taste like? Do they lose their properties if cooked? Would they go better as a bean soup, or a sticky bean bun?
From the wiki:
Their texture is said to be a cross between an uncooked (or under ripe) bean and a celery stalk, and Yajirobe states that Senzu Beans taste like fish.

Do they synergize? I Imagine if it could incorporate information I got from the Guide into the analysis it would be even more effective.

Feel free to punch them for being cunts about it, but don't claim that Entropy is in and of itself evil.

>Not to sure on this number and would like to get the right balance on it.
Don't go by the number of drawbacks, go by CP gain, like a limit of 1,000 CP gained from drawbacks.

Zen Buu (Universe 4 Buu) is basically a muscular Super Buu. Not quite Pillar Man muscular but pretty buff.

At least Gohan absorbed isn't the final boss, the weaker kid buu version is, which is a pretty big twist. Though kid buu is his own thing, he's less interesting than super buu because he's just insane.

Oh yeah ten minutes with a manual is a lot longer amount of time than just looking it over whilst playing the yeh? Remember though it only works on puzzles and traps.

Eh, Kid Buu was at least fun to watch. He was so insane and had so much energy that it was a blast to see him fight, even if he didn't have any character or any real goal besides "INSANE DESTROY LAUGH LIKE A HYENA".