Is L5R still a thing? I know the tcg is getting redone but what about the rpg? Do people still play this?

NO! Why would there be?? A nodachi is NOT a katana!!! WHY WOULD YOU ASK THIS?!?!?

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I don't think there is, but the 4th ed rules have rules to make this sort of thing. Sounds like a crab or a lion thing, though. Check there.

Look, kid - it's clear you want to max out on your uber-bigbad two-handed maximum damage sword.....but grow up, eh? If all you get out of L5R is "muh, I wanna use the BIG sword!", then you are missing out on literally EVERYTHING that the game has to offer. EVERYTHING. Go back and read the book again.

Your autism is showing, my dude.

"Okay" he says, in an attempt to divert the oncoming shitstorm.

How would you properly play a Scorpion without going into the "lol im so sneaky and evul" territory? Sounds like they're kinda like oWoD malkavians in the maturity they require.

Just be a Moto Bushi and wreck the fuck out shit. A Moto Bushi can easily start with 8k3 damage (3k3 No-Dachi +3k0 Strength (school), +1k0 R1 Tech, +1k0 Kenjutsu 3 Master).

Nailed it. Mature players only. Scorpions aren't villains.....

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That can't be the best you got....seriously, kiddo - lerk moar.

Because your bitch ass wanted to play pirates in a samurai game.

Mirumoto Sword Master works pretty good for this sort of thing.

No-dachi focus? No, but any school that has techniques usable with any type of sword and does not require dual wielding can use them.

There's a pseudo-canon school for a pseudo-canon Minor Clan. Otherwise, nada.

That's a weird way to say Crab Clan

>How would you properly play a Scorpion without going into the "lol im so sneaky and evul" territory? Sounds like they're kinda like oWoD malkavians in the maturity they require.

The stereotypical loyal ninja retainer/bodyguard who does dishonorable things because his/her lord needs them done is supposed to be the Scorpion OOC stereotype.

Pre-Coup/Coup Era a best. The rest a shit. Spirit Wars was kinda okay. Exodus was also passable.

That is the most fucked up way to spell Unicorn I've ever seen.

Your inability to spell Phoenix disgraces your family.

Kirin ain't never heard o' this unicorn shit....

Shadow lands now and forever.

>Is L5R still a thing?
Vaguely. Supposedly new setting update, new CCG, new RPG.

Supposedly.

Nobody's sure if anyone will care, though.

That is Shit Clan Mon. This is the Shadowlands Mon.

>No-Dachi
>not Tetsubo
>not Ono
YOU'RE PLAYING CRAB WRONG user

>Shit clan mon

Literally because of that "shitty clan mon" the Shadowlands won. And it won so bad that even if they just wash away that victory, unless they burn all the connections and ignore all player input and hooks we placed in the empire that has to do with the Spider clan, the will of Daigotsu and Fu Leng lives on.

So fuck your divisive ass, and you are welcome.

The best thing FFG can do is reset the setting entirely.

>ignore all player input
>implying spider clan got plot armour because of player input
>people actually believe this
Players fucking hated the Spider Clan. The creative team made them win _despite_ player input.

No anons, user spelled Mantis correctly

Impromptu haiku contest lets go!

>a "holy man" farts
>and fools praise its aroma
>as fools so oft do

Who will writes L5R now? How much influnce does Wick has on L5R? Fuck Wick

He has 0 influence on it for a while now.

I have a weakness for the Unicorn clan, way happened to them after Moto Chagatai did i write the name correctly? attacked the capital? Anyone got the links tha where posted in the general OPs?

"The Emerald Empire"

Blame the Brand Manager that lasted less than six months for Onyx.

The original post-Ivory story plan was likely originally going to be the Empire fracturing between Progressive and Traditionalist lines with the side whose heir did not become Emperor rebelling.

That Brand Manager pretty much said "Screw that! War with Shadowlands for 20th anniversary."

>Moto
>Crab

What's the name of this brand manager? I wanna send hime some anthrax in the mail.

I'm sorry, I'm a cock-sucking faggot who say "moto" and somehow thought that said "hida."
Please, forgive my stupidity.

Oh thank goodness, Wick is a terrible person who somehow still still try to lublish stuff but at least L5R has a chance of being fixed now

>Now
He has been gone for over 10 years, probably more. Have you ever read 4th edition?

No problem, mistakes happen.

Which was exactly what we did in Winter Court 4 and was a natural progression that would make everyone happy beside the people who hates the Spider clan.

I know, i mean he made at lesat another rpg or published something since he left L5R. Last thing i knew thathappened was the Moto attacking the capital so i am way out ofvthe loop.

Which Spider clan?
Infiltrator? What's to hate it's just the Shadowlands killing you from far away of the wall. It's literally the same thing as the City of Lost.
Spider Clan in the destroyer war? Yeah it fucking sucked but newsflash everything sucked in Destroyer War, it was a piece of shit.
Spider Clan as an actual great clan in the age of exploration?
Tainted individuals were sent to kill giant monsters in the jungle, Susumu manipulators were present in like, a couple courts and that's about fucking it. They barely had a presence in the setting and were relegated mostly to the Ivory Kingdoms. What's to hate here?

I'm playing literally right now. Going fine. Scorpion clan all the way?

He did publish "blood and honor" which it's a thing that exists but he did so on his own, he was gone from AEG.

By the way, FFG owns the rights for the card game and the rpg now, but no new products have been released yet.

>implying FFG won't sell us the game multiple times over, once for each era.
Worked for Star Wars.

Can't find any real info on him. Dave Laderoute ended up replacing him in March of 2015.

Yeah, I was with you there.

>Spider Clan as an actual great clan in the age of exploration?
>Tainted individuals were sent to kill giant monsters in the jungle, Susumu manipulators were present in like, a couple courts and that's about fucking it. They barely had a presence in the setting and were relegated mostly to the Ivory Kingdoms. What's to hate here?

Most of the complaints were tied to Kanpeki conquers the Empire with unstoppable undead army in the lead up to Onyx and the choices Dave was pretty much forced to give the Spider clan in 2015 "Great Clan or Greatest Clan."

>no new products have been released yet.
They did put out a PDF of the Atlas of Rokugan.

He published something after he left AEG, a guide to GM called Play Dirty

As someone who played Spider exclusively ever since they were introduced, no.

I'm sorry, I don't want to sound like an ass, but no. People hate Spider for two factors:
Destroyer War asspull
+
Ignorance over their presence on the Age of Exploration. ("What Rokugan now accepts those who are tainted? They killed the setting!!!" was one of the most repeated argument I had to read with FRO posters)

>The Onyx bullshit

40% of the Spider player base voted "no" for that. I don't fault the community, I fault the choices presented. It's fucking retarded man.

Hate should be directed at the people who came up with that shitty idea not the "Spider clan" as a faction, hell the Onyx Empire aren't even the Spider clan anymore according to the limited lore we got out of that shitty event.

Not a new product, they just published when it was done. It was all created under AEG and was hyped for years.

It's around, but it isn't popular.

L5R suffers from metaplot-itis, and while AEG has desperately tried moving away from that with the Imperial Histories books, I don't think that anyone can really disagree that the Spider Clan, Imperial Colonies, Destroyer War bullshit has irreperably damaged the integrity of L5R's setting with how botched they were.

The entire Iweko era and all its social upheaval was just too much for most people to deal with, and there was a large drop-off in players after it.

Which is a shame, because the Imperial Colony was the most exciting thing to me as a GM, since it was poorly defined and wide open for adventure, and frontier politics.

>Iweko Era
What happened during that time? I forgot L5R existed for a While after Iweko became Impress. I just didn't care anymore but that was before she even tried to get the throne

>Can't find any real info on him. Dave Laderoute ended up replacing him in March of 2015.

Found him: Rob Vaux. Freelance Writer and Movie reviewer. Was part of the original '95 dev team.

Sorry, meant most of the complaints for that section of time (Ivory) were tied to the Onyx bullshit. I'm a Crane/Spider fan myself and have been following the Spider since the final legs of Race for the Throne. Players were actually starting to mellow to the Spider presence before Onyx started getting revealed.

And yes, Goddess, Part 4 (?) was bullshit. Everyone was all hyped for an all Empire Kyuden Ashinagabachi final battle, but most of the hate started with people misunderstanding the Race of the Throne loser prize: (temporary) Clan dissolution and a Celestial Edition (potential) redemption story arc.

Seemed like every time the Spider hate started dying down something stupid would rekindle the dying embers.

>Rob Vaux.
Isn't he the guy who wrote Tomb of Iuchiban?

Yes.

What else did he do?

goodreads.com/author/show/42816.Rob_Vaux list Book of the Shadowlands and some 7th Sea stuff, but he seems to mostly do Movie Reviews.

Seeing as he may have been the original Shadowlands nut I'm not surprised he tried to destroy the Spider.

1e core credits him with helping develop the Crab and writing up the Geography section.

Not surprising.

Is there anything about the Nezumi in the Relaunch?
After they killed them I lost all interest in L5R

Pretty much nothing is known at this point. Any thing anyone says is hearsay.

Funny. I thought they were just a bunch of dirty ronin of the isles that think they actually have enough culture to be a clan?

And you don't call the janitor staff a clan either. It allows them to put on airs.

Who let the gaijin into the house? Someone call security. They need to be escorted out.

Well at least you brought out an actual clan. Too bad they spend so much time needing to be hunted down by the janitors for being unclean. Still can't claim best. But better then others.

Here's a permanent link to the new Discord:

discord.gg/Yr9AS

Features a bot,
Looking for group section,
Lots of resources,
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If the Mantis were ronin they would never helped when they did more than once, The Crab clan is why you exist all clans have existed as long as they did, The Moto are not the Unicorn clan entire clan and the Pheonix aren't all aren't that unclean. big talk from a clan of money makers, people that gained their position as the left hand of the Empero by marriage to dynasty of Emperors, are born with expensive chopstics in thir mouth and are so arrogant they are hated by the other clans.
You disgust me little Crane

Hey guys, i stopped reading L5R years ago shortly after the Iuchiban fiasco so what did i miss?

Why do you need techniques for no-dachi specifically? It's already a kenjutsu skill weapon. If you want to use one more effectively, take a school that does melee attacks as a simple action; ie, Daidoji, Matsu, Bayushi, Moto, Taoist Swordsman, etc.

>How would you properly play a Scorpion without going into the "lol im so sneaky and evul" territory?
Standard Scorpion is honourable until ordered, and the standard scheme isn't a cackling evil plan, but simply helping other Rokugani not lose face or break Bushido, and owe the Scorpion a favour.

>Have you ever read 4th edition?
Mate. 2nd edition was 2000. Wiki says Wick was involved in Imperial and Jade editions, which puts his leaving around 98.

>He has been gone for over 10 years, probably more.
Closer to 20 at this point. How long til user can just let it go?

kazenoshiro.com/fictions/

>what did I miss?
Lotus Edition, Samurai Edition, Celestial Edition, Emperor Edition, Ivory Edition, Onyx Edition (aborted, possibly about to relaunch in a few months).

What RPG stuff corresponds to what edition?

Age of Enlightenment (Lotus): the clans competed to be the most enlightened. Crane won but nothing came of it.

Race for the Throne (Samurai): The clans competed to see who would be Emperor and his/her Chosen. Dragon won Emperor and put Kitsuki Iweko on the Throne. Spider Clan (founded by Daigotsu) "loses."

Destroyer War (Celestial): a Shadowlands empowered Goddess from India invades Rokugan search for a chunk of her power. Much of Rokugan wrecked and a new pit is formed in the Scorpion lands after Fu Leng sacrifices himself and Daigotsu becomes a God to kill Kali-Ma in a widely unpopular stop named Goddesses. Spider wins the right to foster the/an Imperial Heir when a Pheonix decides that a Spider raised heir would be more interesting than a Crane raised one and Lion win an Imperial Legion (that is quickly forgotten about).

Age of Conquest (Emperor): Rokugan conquers the ruined remains of the Ivory Kingdoms (not-India). Mad Dragon Pan-Ku causes chaos in the new Colonies until elder of two Imperial Heirs (the one not raised by the Spider) asks him to stop and go back to heaven.

A Brother's Destiny (Ivory): Progressives (supporters of the younger Spider fostered Shibatsu raised in the Colonies) and Traditionalists (supporters of the trained by every clan but Spider Seikan) try to get their heir to be next Emperor. Seikan gets the throne because AEG hides a bunch of scoring metrics and then makes WC4 a fixed competition biased in favor of Seikan.

Unnamed due to sale to FFG (Onyx): Kanpeki (Daigotsu's son) rebels after being replaced as leader of the Spider clan by Seikan (now Iweko II). Kanpeki conquers Rokugan with army of zombies and shadowlands monsters. Iweko II and a bunch of others flee to the Colonies.

4th edition is "timeline neutral."

>4th edition is "timeline neutral."
The previous ones aren't, though.

I think 1st ed is Clan War, 2nd is up to Four Wind and 3rd is up to Age of Enlightenment.

Should be able to work it out from the dates.

Jesus the plot is such a terrible cluster fuck

Question of Honor: Use of the Sneak skill to ambush enemies is of course, a low act and corresponds to a loss of honor. Query: If a Crab Bushi uses Sneak to Ambush Shadowlands monster, should it equate loss of honor? They aren't Samurai, they're unholy abominations. CAN you lose honor as long as you kill them?

That is what happens when you allow cardgames to determine a plot. From the very beginning, a cluster fuck. It's a history of clusterfucks that finally petered out.

It's honor neutral for the most part. But do it in the Empire instead of the Shadowlands or the Wall and you could be called out for your cowardice and face the repercussion of that. But then again, anyone watching you kill Shadowlands monsters is in danger of being tainted themselves so...

Because they're big bullies who force other minor clans to lose all their individual personality and end up as just more big bully pirates?

Show me on the straw man where he hurt you, user.

It worked at the very beginning.
Everything up to the Day of Thunder was fine.
I know that's hard to believe, because a lot of that was due to a guy that apparently went around to every middle school in America over the last twenty years and put every user in a locker and stole their lunch money, judging by the irrational butthurt any time he comes up, but it was an actual success.
But that was, and should have been, The End.
And it wasn't.
Things went downhill from there.

You do realism the shadow lands mon is a close up shot of the spider clan?

The spider clan is the shadow lands

user are you ok? Are you having a stroke?

Are you making things up again, Spider?

The concept of samurai finally deciding to explore in the most haphazard way possible is pretty great. There was a story about the crab descovering elephants, they couldn't decide if they were oni or just beasts.

Over 9000 hrs in Spen app

I believe you were all meant to write "Scorpion Clan".

How to run a Scorp by Class:
>Bushi: Study the character "Kuwabatake Sanjuro", in the movie "Yojimbo" (if you don't have that, watch Sergio Leone's "A Fistful of Dollars", and study The Man with No Name.) He's a great example of a Scorpion Bushi.
>Courtier: You read faces. You understand people, their strengths, and their insecurities. If they have an arm swung at you, you twist it. You make them say 'uncle'. Then, they should thank you for not cutting it off.
>Shugenja: You are the special effects guy in a play. You make sure that no gaffes are showing, no wires are seen hanging. You must suspend the audience's disbelief.
>Infiltrator: ...This is how you play an Infiltrator...

>The entire Iweko era and all its social upheaval was just too much for most people to deal with, and there was a large drop-off in players after it.

No, it was the Lotus levels of power imbalance that Emperor had that drove players away and overpowered Mantis/Crane economies at the start of Ivory. Emperor and Ivory were not casual friendly environments.

>want to play L5R
>can't sell it to my players

Help me, Veeky Forums. I think they just have the wrong idea and think of it as anime or something.

I was always a Tsuruchi player myself, which means now mantis.

>>Courtier: You read faces. You understand people, their strengths, and their insecurities. If they have an arm swung at you, you twist it. You make them say 'uncle'. Then, they should thank you for not cutting it off.
sounds familiar

>I know the tcg is getting redone but what about the rpg?
No news so far, but I imagine it'll be a clean start if they release the fifth edition under new management. I personally never liked all the extraneous clans pat the initial seven ones because all others essentially just dilute concepts and ideas that could've been used as houses and bloodlines within existing clans.

So I like parts of L5R
>the giant Clans warring off and on with each other
>Samurai, Monks, and Wizard by any other name
>A Great Wall guarding a No Mans Land with a portal to literal Hell at the center
>Foreign factions that could be used as antagonists and the occasional protagonist

But the constant muh honor super stereotypical idealized hyper weebshit turns me off

I like a lot of the settings elements and a few of the mechanics but I just can't get over some of the shit the game does