Could a character with similar themes to Alucard work in a party of heroes? Chaotic, and wholly evil...

No, but I'm sure if I sit here long enough you'll tell me your absolutely riveting theory on why they can never be replicated in tabletop because something something alignments/your penis.

Alucard actually functions more like a natural disaster than a character in the story of hellsing. He doesn't really develop or change from the start of the events to the end, he hardly even makes decisions, he just DOES. but we are given a few glimpses of his past character development, and what made him the way he is and brought about the circumstances of how he's there and why he's like that. The characters origins would probably have to be secret and become revealed over the course of the plot. The character would have to have already gone through most of their development prior to the events of the story, so the others in the party would need to be compelling characters with struggles, like seras and integra and Walter all struggled.

Secondly this OP character needs to be under complete control somehow most of the time. Whether it's being controlled by another character like Alucard was or maybe some bindings or artifact or curse, or just their own psychology, who knows. There also have to be consequences for the use of this power, like the great evil and destruction and psychologically bad things. Also some kind of upper limit as well as other constraints like cooldown or energy requirements would probably be necessary just so you're not breaking the whole game.

So if you're playiing a character like this, on the same level as the party, what are some things to avoid doing to ensure that they function well as part of the group?

If he's devoted to the party he's not wholly evil.

Alucard was never devoted to Integra. People need to realise 100% of the time he was just being Alucard and fucking about.

His entire thing was that he wanted to turn her by her own choice so he stuck around when he showed every chance to just outright leave and disobey every order after WW2's mission showed he just did orders becuzlol.

He's strictly chaotic bored.

i think you need to go back and read the story properly rather than talking out of your ass.

You can be evil and still have friends. Your side of the friendship may be incredibly selfish, but that does not mean it does not exist.

It'd work well if they were indebted to another party member or a main npc the pc's answer to. Like a time when i played dickass thief who was indebted to the cleirc, who I'd also let know beforehand when i'd try to run away so he'd be able to comedically clothesline or grab me.

You can, but then you're not wholly evil. Wholly evil is a selfish, self-destructive thing that burns itself out and drags down everything nearby with it. To be able to care for anyone or anything and to devote oneself to it's well being makes a thing not wholly evil. It can otherwise be an awful stain upon existence, but that trait is not part of why.

Jade empire was fugin gold.

He has a fetish for "the human spirit" or whatever it is japs like to rave about in their animus. The fact she consistently refuses to be turned is the reason he respects her at all.

With this in mind, it'd be more like bringing in a very high level character from another campaign who's already had their story told and then putting some reins on him. He'd be stronger and more developed than the party, but he wouldn't be able to impede the party's progress of his own volition.

DMPC chaos dreadnaught/hellbrute. Allow the players to choose to unshackle it and then you make the roll to see where indiscriminate fire is going to land. Don't trust the players with it and it needs to be a weapon of desperation- something that could very well leave them worse off for having used it

This. If she let herself become evil or corrupted by power or a vampire he would lose respect for her and probably not obey her.

uh, wat

it's been years since I watched that animu but didn't integra's family have him chained up in a basement or some shit, or somebody else did and she let him out? I thought the whole thing was that alucard is basically her family's slave because of some kind of ancient autistic vampire laws

bump

As a side note, Alucard really sucks because he cheats. He's the only character who doesn't have any development whatsoever throughout the whole series, but I think that's the point - He's a monster who can't change.

But the thing about him is, he apparently 'admires' the way humans bravely struggle. At one point, he goes "Anderson, don't give up your humanity just to try and kill me."

This is, of course, nonsense because Alucard's invincible and unkillable. He's also murdering thousands of people (Sort of unintentionally, the vampire Nazis are largely responsible) and Anderson really needs the god-vampire to die.

Like, who the hell is going to throw away the game to make a philosophical point? Time to shoot up with monster juice!

He was developed though. He was raped and enslaved as a child, became a warlord and lost his forces, and in final despair his spirit was broken. He turned to immortal power and became what he is, but he hates himself for having been broken. So he idolizes this "true human" concept, a spirit that can't be broken, that succeeds without cheating like he did. It's certainly an easy position to take what with being a god-vampire abomination, but he's too old to give a shit really. Plus the first Hellsing did it and proved it was possible, so he fetishizes the whole bloodline

Hellsing is awful, but Hellsing Abridged is GOAT, even with the excessive memery.

He's not unkillable, because Van Helsing beat him.

Alucard was upset with Anderson for throwing away his humanity because he could only let himself be defeated by an actual human, not a monster. As soon as Anderson became something less than human, he ironically threw away any chance of victory.

To be fair, were it not for Seras, Anderson would have taken him out.

Why did he turn seras into a vampire anyways?

Anderson would never have beaten him in the first place, it's outright stated in his first appearance. When he attacked Integra, she outright calls him a monster because of his modifications.
Don't be stupid, as much as Alucard respected Anderson, Anderson had no chance to end him. It was just Alucards blind willingness to die that made it seem like he could.
He doesn't know, he outright says as much when Walter asks him about it. His instinct (possibly what's left of his humanity?) took over when he did it.

So, I'm planning on playing what's essentially a dark eldar mandrake in an upcoming game, along with alignment similarities. However, he is... much less efficient and lazy than the DE equivelant. He's a hobo living in a villain, only really causing trouble if anybody is particularly dickish to him. He's killed several people over the past decade, and the guy in charge of town doesn't really mind him as all the people he killed were dicks who made his job harder... but the townsfolk are calling for him to be kicked out of town en mass now. So he wants to fobb the guy off on to the party.

Now, so long as the party agrees to essentially pay him (essentially in shares of loot and in making sure he doesn't wind up starving), he will be fine with coming along. My plan is for him to slowly acclimatise to the party, and although he probably won't significantly change in terms of alignment, he'll come to think of the party as friends, or at the very least he'll enjoy their company, so he won't do shit to piss them off.

Would this work?

And yet, he has nightmares about the time he got his shit absolutely slapped by Van Helsing, who was pure human.

Alucard is a big red plot device, and yes, he cheats, but that's just part of his character. He wants a human to kill him, but by the time canon rolls around, there aren't any humans who would be able to do so. The Major gave it a good try, but he did that by cheating equally hard, and post-canon, Alucard is literally a candidate for 'most OP character ever', so he will NEVER get his wish.

So what's left? He just fucks around for the rest of time until he withers away from sheer ennui, because he is psychologically incapable of offing himself.

The big titties.

Literally shits and giggles.

Yes, because they never fought him.

Remember, Alucard's Dracula. How did they kill Dracula? They chased him down when his coffin was being escorted by his gypsy companions, and Johnathan Harker stabbed him in the heart with a stake BEFORE night fell.

None of them had to deal with the fucking bullshit he could bring to the table. The whole point of that chase was that they couldn't defeat Dracula when night fell.

It's really easy to tell who hasn't read the manga/watched Ultimate and just regurgitates talking points from popular anime youtubers and communities

Except in Hellsing canon they DID. They literally fought all of his fucking armies to get to him and stab his bitchass dead while he was actively fighting them. While it's sort of admirable how Hellsing actually sticks to Dracula pretty solidly, that's one part where they threw it out for the manga's story.

I'm playing a PF game this very weekend where my character is a Chaotic Neutral summoner in a largely good party who has a Demon as his Eidolon. So sort of similar to OPs concept, except the monster isn't a PC.

actually he stabbed him with a Bowie knife. That was potential sequal hooks for a new book, as van Helsing stated he would have to return the next night with a stake made of Ash wood to end it properly.

Except in Helsing, he was awake when Abraham fought him. Hence why he has nightmares about it. Abraham Van Helsing was right there in his face mocking him.

They fought, Alucard lost and was taken back to the Helsing estate to be magically enhanced and bound to the family.

>Alucard
>Chaotic

Alucard isn't chaotic evil. He's lawful evil.

Which can work just fine in a party, like Alucard works in his story.

But chaotic evil? Very difficult to get that to work in a party, unless he's in charge of it... but in that case you're not gonna be controlling or unleashing him. So no, I don't think that's an easy narrative to pull off. You'd have to come up with a REALLY good reason for your chaotic evil guy to tolerate having someone else restrain him.

bitches and hoes

>They fought, Alucard lost and was taken back to the Helsing estate to be magically enhanced and bound to the family.
>magically enhanced and bound to the family.
There's the key issue, though.

He's been all sorts of upgraded since the day.

Old Abe was badass, but I don't think even he could put Drac down at this point.

He hasn't been upgraded. He's been controlled.

Really, the whole level restriction thing is just letting him have his own power back, rather than any enhancement.

It's pretty telling that when he finally gets all his power unleashed, he just turns back into the man he used to be.

Still though, I don't think the specifics can be taken too seriously. Hellsing's a giant fucking love letter to western media anyways, there's some pretty god damn obscure shit in the whole thing.

Bumping for advice on this, I don't want to fuck up with it.

>Doctor Doom
>evil
Ask me how i know you never read a comic.

No, weaboo fag.

She had nice tits. He says so in the anime.

Don't be a workaholic. In fact be lazy. Allow party to bump their heads against obstacles as much as they want helping only if they explicitly ask you for it.

Have a lot of flaws not related to your power. Like say you may be not able to read, suck at diplomacy, being unable to add two and two together an so on. This way even if character is a condescending asshole party will have reasons to still feel superior to him. If the character will like some things that someone from the party can do and beg from time to time for them it's even better - like say he likes some homefood recipe that only one of the party members knows how to do and must suck up to him to get it.

Probably not. Mostly because, in a lot of games (I'll say the majority) it's important for all members of the party to be balanced and more or less equal in power. If this is the case, this "unleashed beast" character is objectively the worst in the team. Not only he is unlikeable and unreliable, but he does not compensate it. Others bring the same (more or less) to the team without being a piece of shit. A character like that is basically That Guy, but from the perspective of the PCs and not the players (not necessarily at least).

If it's the kind of game where political characters with no fighting skills are considered normal and viable, maybe this guy can have a place. If he's the only dude in the party that can reliably bash some skulls, his behaviour becomes a necessary evil.

Yeah

That's part of his character. He wants to be killed by a human, even going so far as to limit his own power when facing a suitably powerful and wilful mortal man, but he's been so jacked up with magic, blood and science that it's not realistic to expect him to die, and then he gets Schrodinger's power and he becomes perfectly immortal.

Alucard can never actually realise his desire to be killed in battle, so he's basically doomed to just sort of lurk around forever, never moving forwards.

Now go watch the non abridged version on YouTube.
I agree that Abridged is funny but I actually like the characterisation in Ultimate better (haven't seen or read any other version) Alucard has a strange dignity about him in Ultimate that nicely contrasts with his blood lust.
This, the battle with Luke Valentine had him deactivate a restriction on his powers that seemed like mind control programming.

Doom fanboys are the fucking worst.

Alucard chaotic? I think it is very clear that he is Lawful Evil (like most fantasy vampires).

He's chaotic evil with a fetish for lawful neutral masters

he's lawful. His very first action was to lecture another vampire about not being a crazy asshole about sucking that entire village dry less the humans get wiped out. then he kills him.