/awg/ Alternative Wargames General

Thanks for the upload m8.
Just wondering though, there's eratta in there for 2 hour dungeon crawl, but not the core game. Is that on purpose?

It's because in the three different guy's collections I gathered and assembled into one archive, there was no copy of that. If I find one, it's going in there.

Just wanted to let you know that onepagerules has finally launched their patreon and the new editions of their games. If you had been looking for alternative rules for 40k / AoS / WHFB then this is the place to be.

onepagerules.wordpress.com/

I think the hype is almost fully based on the fact that it died. The models were pretty great for the time and the rules had some interesting shtick to them, but it wasn't really that ground breaking. People just started getting attached to it and then the whole thing imploded so everyone is crying over spilled milk.

Had the game not died out I'm not sure that people would still be talking about it today.

Hory shet, new editions? Cool.

Fuckin "grimdark future." Amazing.

Double Tap looks like a great reduction of Infinity. The hell is a block roll though? The quality test to not die after getting hit?

Keep in mind also when it died. It was the mid 2000's, it was back wjen GW was starting to leave a bad taste in people's mouths, and there wasn't much competition. So it left a bigger impact than something of equal value would today.

Its also like how people reacted with the AoS change, they took something of value and replaced it with something viewed as lower value. Yeah, AoR had much better rules, but most people weren't in Confrontation for the rules. It also didn't help that AoR pre-painted plastics were so much worse that AT-43's, showing that they could do better, but didn't.

Hey, mans have Defense stats now - it's not just all Quality. Neat.
The weapons also are defined in army lists, so no more "Assault Rifle" space marines.

That is what I would assume.
Also I went in not expecting it to be infinity and to be more of just urban Spec Ops, but no it actually uses the Order Pool and reaction system (well, close to it while sticking to its own system), which is bloody hilarious. It even has reactive shots at Burst 1. Bloody amazing.

Now I want some cool sci-fi minis to play Double Tap with. It looks like it'll transfer across to 15mm fine and I was looking for an excuse to get a few of the White Dragon squads...

they have some cool stuff but holy shit double tap looks amazing. now I'm thinking of getting one of those infinity starter sets.

which one would you recommend? operation ice storm or operation red veil?

I'd say Red Veil 'cause the models are waayyy cooler but then I'm biased as I collect both of the factions in Red Veil but neither of the factions in Ice Storm.

Also if you do then get into Infinity proper after picking up a starter I reckon Red Veil's got some more interesting units stats wise too.

Just pick the one you like the look of most (ie, aesthetics), especially if you aren't even going to play the game it's attached. Icestorm is PanO vs Nomads, Red Veil is Yu Jing vs Haqqislam

I hear Red Veil has better built in scenarios but its entirely down to who you think looks better.

From my perspective (admittedly limited), it was just the absolutely incredible sculpts that Rackham was putting out. Almost nobody actually played, but you weren't a "serious painter" unless you had some Keltoi bitches humping their swords. It also used a somewhat fiddly cards-and-chits system that was kinda tainted by memories of 2e 40k (in the wake of the virtually counter-less and extremely fast-paced 3e). Imagine how we'd be looking at Warmahordes right now if they had died right at the cusp of making Warmachine 2.0, and then someone put out shitty Wizkids pre-paints as the "official" minis.

I have a few (mostly that Anubid sorceror-chick and some kind of Angel of Death), but even proxying I could never get into the game all that much. It ought to be interesting to see what they have coming down the pike though.

>I'm thinking of getting one of those infinity starter sets.
>which one would you recommend? operation ice storm or operation red veil?
Check out "Guerilla Miniatures Games" and "Gaming with the Cooler" on the tube of yous - they run through both intro boxes as mini-campaigns and the players are relatively experienced with Infiniti.

Great miniatures and art with original fantasy and extensive gallery and rules (desert genetic black sorcerers? yes. Elves fighting on stilts to catch flying units? yes)

Oh, and I almost forgot the vast quantities of furry porn sponsored by the Wulfen. So many goddamn furries.

Post pics of not-Napoleons.

Does anyone have a PDF of FiveCore? I'm looking at possibly running some VACW skirmishes with my gaming group.

Come all, Anons, draw near to me.

I fought the good fight, I put together test forces, demo'd games, tried to get folks interest. Gruntz, TNT, Frost Grave and Rogue Stars. No one in my area is interested. This area will always be Warmahordes.

I'll try to establish awg no more.

Your problem was that you didn't buy all the forces yourself and then just lent out armies, without the expectation they would eventually get their own.

Thanks! I've played... I think it's Firefight, the 28mm version? The first edition of it, not the recent one. They make some pretty good games.

Looks like the Marvel miniatures game is dead. Knight Miniatures announced that they were stopping production on it.

Solo gaming ahoy!

They died an hero before they could become a villain.

Awesome, but I wish they at least kept an "archive" of some of their older games/editions.

I hope they add the rest of the armies and remake some of their previous games in the future.

filescdn.com/hotixcgv2m5w

Not as good as them doing it, but this is a .7z I just threw together of their old stuff I had DL'd.
Apparently it'll only be up for 7 days, though. Meh.

I think the noticeable things not present in the newer versions are campaign rules, and then like WW2/Modern "armies". What else is missing?

No real loss. The models were shit, reminded me of 1970's mini figs. Don't think 32mm was right for them!

Any "weird" thematic game? something like weird WWII?

In Her Majesty's Name, Malifaux

Is In her Majesty's kind of recent? because there isn't much available.

One core book and an expansion, it's kind of self-contained.

First for FiveCore + FiveParsecsFromHome for best alternative sci-fi system

GZG have some pretty minis. The 6mm even have not-scopedogs/fatties. Any other way to get cheap votoms minis?

user already announced that he will slowly add all the old armies back and more, not really sure about the ww2/modern armies though...

2 osprey expansions, +1 gothic horror schedulled, the author's blog also has a crapton of extra warband lists

I'm desperate for a PDF of Five Parsecs From Home but I couldn't find one and I'm broke so paying for it is an issue.

Dystopian Wars could be considered weird World War I.

Any of you heard about that new black earth game? Silly sculpts but seem like a good bunch of guys trying to make a 28mm sci-fi wargame.

Are the tanks easy to remove from their bases or theres a high chance of damaging the model doing so?

Depends on how you attach it.

>Those models

Dunno what it is about them, but they look really nice

I've heard this game is more into naval combat that air craft/tanks/foot soldiers. i'm wrong?

Cleomedes cruisers. They're an odd one. Didn't like them at first, painted them up and fell in love.

Sort of. Rules-wise they're all equally represented. On the tabletop, naval far outstrips land and air in popularity, and as a consequence gets the lions share of the model releases and games played. I really like my little lancer divisions, so it disappoints the shit out of me.

I only have my watermarked one, will post mine when I look up how to strip them out. Along with my FiveCore 3rd edition.

Well worth the small price if you go begging for paypal donations with a fake but believable sob-story on "go fund me"

In 7chan there are guys than can clean it for you.

I'm not sure how to phrase this, but I'll go ahead and stream of consciousness it: Basically I feel like there's a weird disconnect between all of the wargaming which I see and experience and the wargaming which appears to be out there, in particular at conventions. With regards to genre and scale.

Like, all of the wargaming I've done and all of the clubs and FLGS' I've been to play 28mm fantasy and sci-fi games, barring Dystopian Wars & Firestorm Armada with regards to scale, and Bolt Action and Saga with regards to genre.
But at the conventions I go to (Salute, Reading Warfare, PAW last weekend) the majority of stuff I see being sold is historical and/or in a smaller scale. And the majority of the tournaments at Salute & PAW were historical (although 40k is always the biggest in size)
My first thought whilst typing this was that it's a generational thing (I'm in my early 20's), but I quickly dismissed that after thinking about the clubs which I've played at and they had a wide variety of ages playing. It might be a regional thing, but it's been true whether I've been playing in Wales, Hertfordshire or Devon..

Basically I guess I'm asking, where are all the historical and small scale wargamers which apparently there's a market for but which I've never encountered? Do they all play at home? Have I just not happened to go to the clubs and FLGS' they play at?

I'm pretty confident the people you're talking about play with friends or in their own small communities.

>Basically I guess I'm asking, where are all the historical and small scale wargamers which apparently there's a market for but which I've never encountered?
over at /hwg/

Seriously though, it's the better place to ask I guess.
Typically though the kind of game stores that stock 40k, Magic and the like are not the place where you will see historical miniatures or gamers hang out and discuss which shade of green is the right for their uniforms in that particular theatre of war of that particular unit.

You're living in the FLGS bubble.

The thing about historicals is that there are no games that need miniatures from a specific manufacturer. So you don't get two guys standing in front of a rack of merchandise talking about the game they both play.
They buy wherever and from whomever they prefer.

I guess the best place to start looking if you want to get into something like that would be wargaming clubs who specialize in historicals.

Disclaimer: Most of this is conjecture on my part and I could be completely wrong.
I just don't think it's remotely efficient or even possible for most stores to even stock a decent amount of historicals for that experience to be remotely comparable.
Unless you go to the wargames foundry or the newly opened warlord store maybe.

I might pose the same question to /hwg/, but the question applies here to all the people playing Gruntz, Tommorows War, Full Thrust etc

>You're living in the FLGS bubble.
But that's the thing, I've only played at two stores, and then only within the past 12 months. And one of those FLGS has no 40k or fantasy going on, whereas it's been ubiquitous at the 3 clubs I've been to.

Assume Fantasy & 40K are on all of the lists below:
The club in Wales was a student society and played DW, Infinity, Malifaux, Saga, X-Wing and a little bit of Warmahordes Since I've left.I think they've started playing some Flames of War too.
The club in Hertfordshire was Infinity, X-Wing, Warmahordes, Frostgrave, Bushido, Bolt Action and Firestorm Armada.
The FLGS in Hertfordshire was Firestorm Aramda & Dystopian Wars but only because me and a friend brought them, but aside from that it was Malifaux and 40K.
The club in Devon is Infinity, Warmahordes, Star Wars Armada, Warmachine and a little bit of Epic.
The store in Devon is Warahordes and Bolt Action, with no 40K or Fantasy going on at all!
The Bolt Action bunch also have pretty much all of the Spartan Games but don't really play them aside from the odd Firestorm Planetfall game.

Yep, historical players for the most part have their own clubs. They don't like Warhammer/Warmachine crowd for the most part and try to avoid it. Their games also a lot of the time are built around what forces each of the involved sides had on the battlefield instead of point costs.

Things like recreating battle at Thermopylae with utmost care. And so on.

Our club plays almost exclusively 40k - I'm trying to place Bolt Action in the collective conciousness of the group, but can rarely play a game, and mostly with folks who didn't start with 40k as their first game. I'm making a table at home so if anyone want to play historicals, he can just come over to me, we can push some figures around and have fun. I don't really want to play in our club if I don't feel my game is welcomed here and I was asked "why don't you play 40k? It'd be good if there was a game everyone played in the club" - the fact that I have approx. 40-50 armies for various historical periods and other scifi/fantasy games doesn't matter, I HAVE to play 40k as well.

But I digress.

>I was asked "why don't you play 40k? It'd be good if there was a game everyone played in the club"

Wow, what a terrible person.

Yeah, but I won't be bullied/guilt tripped into playing it.

At the moment I'm pretty hyped about Terminator Genisys. From reading the rules, it's pretty solid, and the Endoskellies are nice too. Will do some converting with the Resistance soldiers tho.

GMG just did an intro game of Confrontation 3.5:
youtu.be/RmAyLePbYGQ

As you watch, you can see some of the issues the game had.

Why did nobody mention Critter Kingdoms before? No idea if there's a ruleset but man I love these miniatures, reminds me of Redwall.

Heavy Gear stuff is very VOTOMS but probably doesn't fit your category of cheap.

>Their games also a lot of the time are built around what forces each of the involved sides had on the battlefield instead of point costs.

This is true if you want to recreate a certain battle but for more general play you can be a bit more free. The thing is most proper historicals players have done enough research to know what would be present in a typical army for their time period and are usually experienced enough to design scenarios themselves.

They're 10-20 USD a single 28mm miniature though which after postage to the UK is ridiculous.

It's a shame how you can't just pick up single metals online without it being like £5 minimum.

As mentioned in other posts, the games you mention have been around for years. They have their own clubs, groups of friends and all attend the trade shows as their scene.

They still view 40k (as that's all sci-fi and fantasy games in one) as an aside to the hobby. Some are abject anoraks who pull you up for getting a colour wrong on your historical skirmish figures, but most just game to have FUN. This is something a lot of 'our' gamers seem to have forgotten, what with waac (GW & Warmahordes) and how everything has to have op kits to support competitive play rather than just releasing new stuff!! I mean even that shitty looking mass crap from FFG, it's not even out yet and rather than push release packs there's already competition support!! Really!!

Been in the hobby longer than you been alive, and I'm happy to be in this part of the hobby. But boy does it just need to chill out and remember it's meant to be fun.

Lucky we are living in the golden age for sci-fi and fantasy gaming. Lots of choices. A return to skirmish games (quicker) many of which allow for any range of models. 15mm has really improved and loving that. Lots of solo games which can pull you away from PC/consoles.

GW will endure as will the historical guys!

Oh and I missed the beginning bit. 15mm like Gruntz and the stuff Jon does at GZG like Fullthrust all are part of the trade show scene. I used to do the southern small shows in the UK and Jon's a great guy and there's a camaraderie between the traders and the attendees that was really nice.

Demo/display games, participation games, traders, bring and buys, etc was all for the fun. Oh and £'s but it wasn't there because a tournament needed running!

I'm Northern (Yorkshire) but where can I find lists of wargaming shows coming up? I've only ever done Games Day when it was at the NEC mid-2000s.

I have promised myself to go to Bring Out Your Lead this year, the Oldhammer weekend at Foundry Miniatures. Need to paint something though.

Not that user but if you're in Yorkshire you missed Vapnartak which was last weekend.

Fuck, I'm only down the road in Hull. Looked good.

Would have gone, but unemployment. Who would have thought doing nothing would be so tiring?

There's Airecon coming up in March.

There's ROBIN in Nottingham this weekend.

Shit i had the same experience at a club except it was the dominated Infinity playerbase there, all four of them.
the the club collapse due to a lack of members, i wonder why?

>Who would have thought doing nothing would be so tiring?

I know that feel

I'm with you guys. pic related, >mfw my unemployment runs out

You know what's the fucking worst?
Interview 1:
>You'd be a great fit, but your technicals aren't good enough.
Interview 2:
>Your technicals are great, but you don't fit our company.

I've been holding off on buying a new can of primer because if I have anything to paint, I'll just do that instead of applying to jobs. Hope I'm employed before this Dystopian Wars kickstarter arrives.

Anybody try that Double Tap yet? It has some differences from Infinity which make me wonder how it plays.

Differences such as Reactions only seem to take place if they activate in your line of fire, where in this system that seems to mean start their turn, not just "be" in your line of fire at some point. Also, no templates and a likely smaller scale due to the point-cost of mans.

"Not a good fit" translates into one of two things:
1. "I don't really like you".
2. "I'm worried you're better than I am / someone else who I don't want to replace".
#2 is incredibly hard to do anything about, #1 just takes practice.

Keep an eye on jap model retailers. Sometimes they'll do clearouts of cheap kits and gashapons.

I remember the lists of WW2/Modern armies, they were part of a series of fan-made lists alongside armies based off Warpath, KoW and even cavemen and ancient/classical Persia/Greece.

I'm not sure if they will be added back unless the guys who made those lists decide to update them and submit the updated versions to One Page user.

So the Trident Realms for Kings of War are getting some new models and Mantic released some new pictures of them painted up.

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Searching around for free rules to use if I get some 15mm sci-fi stuff and found Fast and Dirty which seems perfect for what I'm looking for. Shooting has me a bit puzzled though. So with infantry you roll two d6 and take the highest. Assume there's no modifiers at all and an infantry squad is firing at a non concealed infantry squad. The roll comes up with the highest being a 6. As I need 3 points to hit a model, and I rolled a 6, do I score 6 points and hit 2 models?

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Does he have the maths for stuff anywhere? I remember Warstuff exposed some of the math, but that doesn't exist anymore, and it might differ for the other games. And it of course doesn't work anymore considering Def is a stat now.

I really like these, though I read that in fluff they are mutant halflings? Would be a bit disappointed if they turned out to be halfling sized.
Frogmen are kinda cool too, but I don't really have a need for them so I'll probably have to pass.

This is a fantastic project right here, thanks for sharing user.

It does seem though that the suggested games points values are odd. 500 points for a grimdark future game, but the all lascannons predator equivelant is 480 points.

I'm not sure, I don't think I took a look into that part.

My wife applied for jobs in her field for almost two long years, which absolutely did her head in as a work-focused Chinese, before finally being given 3 job offers within a week. life is funny like that.

Am i the only one who played Infinity with friendly, well adjusted adults who weren't in it for the anime or t&a?

>well adjusted
>not into T&A

More like "well-suppressed"

I don't if they're actually mutant halflings, rather people just describe them as looking like a cross between a halfling and a squid.

I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make them into Inklings.

Either way, here's a shot of them with other models from the Trident Realms. For the sake of scale, the fish ladies in the back are roughly human sized.

I really liked the renders for the frog guys, but the paint job on them is terrible. Better than Kroak Raiders I guess.
It is funny as they actually put effort into Warpath's fluff and studio paint jobs, but not as much for Kings of War.

'terrible' is being incredibly harsh m8

I really wanna like kings of war but... I dislike those sculpts.

Just use other companies figures. It's what I do. The game was made initially for people to use WHFB models after all, and having an army made entirely out of proxies is entirely tournament legal. The setting is generic to the point where proxying in other figures is easy.