Everyone has seen evil space empires based on communists and fascists...

Everyone has seen evil space empires based on communists and fascists. How would you do one based on capitalism and the self-made man?

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Cyberpunk, with a lot of propaganda on poor people are only poor because they aren't putting in the hard work to succeed.

Ferengi.

Alternatively, the Vogons.

>he hasn't heard of the Psychlos

How would you do one based on a small tribe with like a chieftain leadership that somehow grew way out of hand?

Sins of a Solar Empire! TEC FOR LIFE

Like Weyland-Yutani?

Starship Troopers and the Necromongers come to mind. Admittedly the latter is sort of a stretch, though "you keep what you kill" does seem like the epitome of "self-made man".

Rapture from Bioshock, but in space. And much bigger. Probably run by a single megalomaniac entrepreneur who runs a council of CEOs and business owners from a number of intergalactic corporate interests.

So the US under Trump.

Let's call the leader Donald Arthur Randall, leader of the "Free" Worlds in the 27th Century.

>communism = government owns corporations
>fascism = corporations own the government

The reason (((people))) solely demonize hitler is because they don't want to analyze the power structures behind and backers of the nazis.
He was a cog and pawn like any other politician.

The mongols. And orc civilization. All of africa.

This
This is fine too.
Starship Troopers is a meritocratic variation of nationalistic fascism, it actually has more in common with socialism than capitalism. The Necromongers are just space barbarians.

Also because he wrote a book about how the Jews were evil and made it required reading for every citizen and also staged a bloody coup to seize power of both the country itself and the Nazi party and made himself the absolute ruler of Germany then Madrid himself the center of all Nazi propaganda in order to make himself come across as a godlike figure not to mention throwing vast sums of money into said propaganda to make himself and the party appear more powerful and made many military calls personally even against the counsel of military advisers.

If that's what you call a cog.

It'd be like the federation in startrek, but without being post-scarcity.

An overclass with a hedonistic bent goes from system to system cataloging the still-evolving planets and cultures. They send these research parties out in all directions with little to no contact with the moralistic standards at the home-office. Information gathered is sent back and then mining ships, research vessels, and thrillseekers all come to strip the planet of anything of use. The Glaxons make new viagras from the tree sap while the Aeolian Corporation strip mine the canyons for uranium or polonium. Hundreds of settler ships launch from hundreds of husked out planets all looking for cleaner air or a new job as a foreman or a creature of comfort.

The evil is systemic. People in the middle to the top with the best of intentions implement new policies here or there, but given its a galaxy wide game of corporate telephone intentions get distorted. Instead of preventing manufacturing accidents, numbers are juked by claiming it was off the clock. Protections for new species discovered introduce parasites to the native populations on three other worlds.

Depending on where you were born and your ambitions, you could be working a bureaucratic desk job in a kafkaesque florescent box or making spacemeth for the Glaxons and/or the Triad (the mafia that runs the three moons of Pluto), or a mercenary providing protection for the totally legal and in no way financially enslaved prostitutes near the martian fishfarms. All so you can embrace your own probably legal vices (Such as fucking a prostitute while shooting blackhole heroin while filling out another loan application to buy a team of gladiators).

I just realized I'm thinking about galaxy wide cyberpunk.

you don't even need to punch the fucking nazis when you can BURN them like that!

this reminds me of how awful MGR was. One of the most overrated games of all time

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Fucking hell, if you want to be pro-fascist then even under those circumstances the worst thing you can do is support Hitler. Even pre-Pact of Steel Mussolini is a much better option if you want to point out the good side of fascism (you know, the guy who said that he didn't believe in race and called Nordicism/Germanism an ideology that only inspires pity on those who walked around in bearskins while Rome gave the world Caesar and Virgil?), or Spanish falangism. Even Charles de Gaulle's dirigism if you squint a little.

Hitler is a horrible leader from any perspective other than "but of course the Jews did everything wrong with society" perspective.
>B-But look at these anti-white Jewish quotes I can mine!
Jews are a minority like any other minority, and nowadays minorities love to bash whites and band together with other minorities because they can get away with it (because, that's right, the white man lets them!). Jews are just a pesky minority because they bash whites while being overrepresented among academia. The tide seems to be turning (in Europe at least) as more and more Jews seem to realize Muslims aren't on their side and never will be (see: Le Pen gaining disproprtionate support from the Jewish community, even though FN was clearly anti-semitic only a decade ago).

tl;dr: Stop being a Naziboo.

United Empire in Endless Space is literally this. Although evil is debatable, especially as you can play as them, but the background does present tham as being very morally gray at the very least.

In the first book of The Sten Chronicles by Allen Cole and Chris Bunch Sten and his family live onboard a giant factory/planet/spaceship called Vulcan. Their wages goes right back into food, rent, and utilities (provided by Vulcan at huge surcharges ofc) so they are forced to just keep working until they die. No worker protection regulations, and the next generation of workers is born right on Vulcan, unable to leave because a spaceship off costs more than they can afford.

Wait a few centuries.

Borderlands.

Is there ancap in space?

BAM! Ask and you shall recieve, course you could always just "press X to be spoonfed"

Joking aside, it's main plot for singleplayer pretty much revolves around a major corporation just strong-arming the entire worlds nations into doing what it wants based on the whims of a single man that runs the whole show who thinks he can do it better himself. Turns out he can't.

>When you buy a newly discovered planet from the Interstellar Auction House but when you go to explore it you discover there is intelligent life on your property, violating the NAP, so you buy a flesheating virus to purge the planet and rent it out to beings who have been chased out of their homeland for exorbitant prices earning back your expenses on both the planet and the flesheating virus in under 5 years

Forgot the pic.

Sounds about right.

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>Mussolini was better because he wasnt a racist
>you can't be honour your history if your ancestors didn't measure up to the SPQR
>Hitler was horrible leader because reasons
>Jews are just like any other minority, except they also have control of 98% of the world's banking and like half of the media.

>half of the media.
>half

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There's an entire Anarcho-Capitalist Forgeworld in the new Horus Heresy book.

>Mussolini was better because he wasnt a racist
More like he had no explicit genocides planned before becoming Hitler's crony. You know that genocide is generally a bad thing, right?

>you can't be honour your history if your ancestors didn't measure up to the SPQR
You really can't. Especially when all that bumscratching history has been erased by people trying and failing to be that SPQR for a thousand years in the biggest instance of WEWUZism in recorded history.

>Hitler was horrible leader because reasons
Indeed. Those reasons are many.

>Jews are just like any other minority, except they also have control of 98% of the world's banking and like half of the media.
Yes, that's what I said. You do rely that to pass laws in an overwhelmingly white society the majority of whites needs to agree with their own suicide, right? From here on out, /pol/ is left with two alternatives: either the root cause lies with the ideology the white people have assumed themselves, or the Jews are so brilliant that they can brainwash an entire fucking civilization in under a century which would prove them to be the true master race. Which is it? Because /pol/ seems unwiling to draw either conclusion. A bit like how they still declare a Nordic master race even though Germanics only stopped being the asshole of Europe for the past 200 years and barely produced anything of worth ever since.
>Inb4 "muh British"
Genetically overwhelmingly Celtic, their high culture almost entirely Norman-Angevin, their language between 33% and 50% Latin, their laws and institutions inspired by Rome. Not exactly a grand example of the brilliance of the Germanic race I'd say.

Less of this, more of

>when the "evil god" that has enslaved your people and forced you to work the mines etc is actually just collecting his just rental dues in hard labor

basically Dark matter (Pretty good show really, especially the japaneese man from space japan)

Its more or less shadowrun...IN SPACE!
so coorporations doing SCIENCE unethical enough to make Mengele squirm and fucking over everyone in the name of profit

Do America in space but only focus on the negatives.

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Show me some form of planning or even an order from Hitler that would imply that he had even planned let alone carried out a genecide
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I don't understand your point. Because they at one point tried to appropriate the Roman name for prestige reasons, they aren't allowed to look back past that point?
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Name them
>4
The laws passed to bring other peoples into the west were never voted on.
>5
Yes, Jews are very cunning. If they weren't, they wouldn't have existed as a minority for all of these years. This coupled with the decadence of Europeans and the introduction of mass media made Western nations easy pickings.
>6
How was Germany the arsehole of Europe 400 years ago?
>>Inb4 "muh British"
>Genetically overwhelmingly Celtic
Celts were European mainlanders, not British islanders. Besides nobody claims British to be Germanic, it's only the eastern English and southern Scots that are actually Anglo Saxon.
>their high culture almost entirely Norman-Angevin, their language between 33% and 50% Latin,
We have many Latin words but most are the less commonly used words. English is still a Germanic language at its core.
>The Latin their laws and institutions inspired by Rome. Not exactly a grand example of the brilliance of the Germanic race I'd say.
I don't think there's anything wrong with adopting knowledge from other cultures, and I don't see how it makes honouring your forefathers hypocritical.

>ENDLESS OPTIONS FOR RENEWAL

I did this about two years ago, only started developing it more nowadays.

The setting being what is it, the faction I titled the "Wanderers" (partially only in name) were founded with neo-libertarian conglomerates and business parties originally brought to their knees by the radical authoritarian war-legion party during a time of crisis.
They made an agreement for the markets with certain alien companies and ever since are the pioneers of the most important business, trade and exploration out of all the major factions.

Although, they tend to not understand 'morals' too well and adapt their top-of-the-line infiltration technology they outsourced to betrayed nationalistic engineers through ""labour agreements"" to just steal back whatever they used to pay for something.


The criminal market and private protection sector is a blighted mess and their only pure libertarian ideals are kept by the quiet scientific and exploration sector.

Your knowledge of 19th century history is as impressive as your expertise on linguistics and iron age population dynamics

That's a map of cultures, m8. You said genetic.

Ancaps vs. Anarcho Syndicalists in spaaace. Have a bunch of unions and corporations bombing the shit out of each other with a healthy mix of crazed survivalists on small ships that will deploy Recreational Antimatter Warheads™ if you look at them wrong.

>Show me some form of planning or even an order from Hitler that would imply that he had even planned let alone carried out a genecide
books.google.nl/books?id=e_aRvKpLUf0C&pg=PA51&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Bottom of page 52. Already in Mein Kampf, Hitler mused about exposing "Jewish traitors" to poison gas.

>I don't understand your point.
There is simply nothing of worth to look back on. What the Nazi's ended up idealizing was an already idealized view of Germanic savages relying mostly on, in the irony of all ironies, Tacitus' writings.

>Name them
Other than installing totalitarian rule, planning and executing a genocide, constantly invading sovereign countries despite formal agreements and ultimata, selling half of Poland to the Bolshewiks he pretended to hate, giving his generals in the Soviet Union to not retreat a single step even though giving ground (what his actual generals were planning) would've been benificial and wasting a lot of money on wunderwaffen as a pure propaganda effort that, even if succesful, had minimal chances of being deployed before the war was over?

>This coupled with the decadence of Europeans and the introduction of mass media
Which of course had nothing to do with Hitler poisoning the well for nationalists and those who deem ethnic homogeneity a good thing, right? You assume Jews somehow manipulated all mass media to utterly transform a culture, ignoring the biggest moral and cultural shock since debatably the Reformation.

>How was Germany the arsehole of Europe 400 years ago?
Because that "Germany" was a bunch of postage sized duchies infighting and even in scientific terms way behind the curve compared to Britain, France and Germany.

>Besides nobody claims British to be Germanic
I just used it as a pre-emptive counterargument because /pol/ loves to appropriate the British empire and British scientific advances as Germanic. I just tried to knock that down before it could be brought up.

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Is this the Anarcho Syndicalist leader?

/pol/ doesn't do any such thing. A big problem with whites is that they have too much empathy and when you take this and push the propaganda onto it then we get the situation we're in.

What you miss is that Jews are a left leaning political race and they get into positions of power then use their (above average) nepotism to pull everyone else up to their level with the same genetics. Then they use those positions of power to rile up the non-natives and use them as a cover story for Jewish interests. Remember how the black civil rights movement was funded by Jewish groups and the laws that applied to blacks that changed also applied to Jews? No, nor does any one else because it's been brushed under the rug of historical record.

No one is saying "all da jews are evil!" but idiots. What they're saying is that Jewish interests clash with the natives interests and when they get into positions of power they tear down societies through extreme nepotism and anti-native policies. That's the state we're in now, but it's not entirely their fault. Whites need to accept their own faults in letting non-natives decide the direction of their nations and take moves to reverse that if we want to keep our homelands.

Zhou-Arkkad. It's a back water toxic shit hole where every forgefane had a "don't tread on me" and "Hippity Hoppity get off my property" attitude. Also it's the fucking north florida/louisianna of Forgeworlds with oversized bayou animals in the swamps.

anyone got the ancap ball for that eve onine bloodbath?

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>there's simply nothing worth looking back on
This is an opinion.
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Every nation is under totalitarian rule in times of war
He only invaded nations that were holding previously German lands with large German populations living on them
>selling half of polen
Why would he care about the non German parts of Poland?
>no retreat
Yeah, it was a bad call. From his position, it probably seemed like allowing the war to drag on would have ended poorly and he took the gamble. I'm not even a soldier, so I'm not going to prevent that I have an understanding of strategies.
>Hitler poisoned the well
So no nationalist should act because he'll just be poisoning the well for future nationalists?
>jews didn't manipulation mass media
There don't need to manipulate, they own it and they didn't need to transform the culture, only to tune it. They had many generations of children to do this
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Fair enough, I'm not sure how the power grubbing of the feudalords reflects on the people tho
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The British people aren't German but the British empire is born out of the English and southern Scots.

>Capitalist
>Evil
Pick one.

Inb4 some BS that confuses corporatism and capitalism.

British Empire was the most evil country of all time and it was capitalist.

Define evil

Like this.

Don't start this kind of shit.

>basically Dark matter
I call bullshit. Dark Matter is full of socialist policies. It's basically the current US.

>'capitalist empire'
Communist monarchy.

A plutocratic society where money is might, and might makes right. Harsh inequality: you either have everything (and are treated as a demigod) or you have nothing (and are worth nothing). It is rare for anyone from the bottom to rise to the top, but on the rare occasion this happens it is always broadcast widely.

In essence, a society that tells the people at the bottom that they are shit because they are poor. The only reason they are not yet multi-billionaires is because they lack gumption and initiative. A society that tells the people at the top that they earned it all through the sweat of their brow, even if their "business empire" is based on their daddy lending them a couple of million credits every time it is about to go bankrupt.

>British empire ended slavery and spend a fortune policing the ocean
>British empire brought trains, schools and hospitals to third world countries at a net loss to themselves

Yea, pure evil lad. Pure evil.

If I can play the devil's advocate the British mostly spent their money on ending slave trade and still employed slavery for decades after that (especially in the East India Company which was conveniently outside of the scope of the abolition of slavery when it finally happened), and still had de facto enslaved endentured servants after that.

That said, it's still retarded to call Britain the most evil empire that ever existed, and ending slave trade (in concert with other European powers) is better than all the nothing that was done against slavery for millennia. There are much better candidates for that title, including but not limited to Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union or even the Mongols.

>Le Pen gaining disproprtionate support from the Jewish community
Those retards really have a short memory

Stop arguing about Hitler. Kthanx.

>Veeky Forums is a commie colony
how am I not surprised.

What about invading the soviet union then?

I hope you aren't implying capitalism and imperialism are incompatible.

Just privatize space travel and in a couple of decades you've got companies with monopolies on fuel extraction from the moon and mining rights to asteroids. You gotta go to these companies if you want to get out into space because it's too damn expensive to buy a ship yourself. And even if you could buy a ship, these companies (run by evil capitalist bad guys, obviously) control the means of production for all space ships.

Make the companies SEEM essential. That's how ideology works. Have the capitalists constantly remind the players that "this is how it's always been, this is the only way."
The workers (the ones that haven't been wholly replaced by robots) get payed starvation wages while the CEOs (Elon Musk's great grand kid?) live in floating gold palaces. They run the government, either overtly, or the way they do now.

Constant ad propaganda. Most citizens don't even realize they're being fucked by the system.

That's not how those work

Isn't that basically the Earth Empire in Endless Space?

You can't. Capitalism is inherently too selfish to outlay the r&d required to get into space in the first place. It's too risk averse.

And before you say "but NASA", that's not a result of capitalism. NASA is a result of taxation and redistriburion. It's closer to Communism than capitalism.

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Starship troopers is fascism.
It's like...
Like have you even taken a second to consider it?

I mean for fuck's sake NPH was walking around in SS gear in the movie.

>I mean for fuck's sake NPH was walking around in SS gear in the movie.
>the movie
Paul Verhoeven prides himself from having never read the book because it was written by "some white cis male", the movie was already shot when they got the rights to the Starship Troopers name and they just re-shot four scenes so that they said the names of the characters in the book.

Rapture ends with Andrew Ryan using pheremones to control the entire populace, it stopped being capitalist by the time the game actually starts.

Wouldn't these kinda cancel each other out? Robot apocalypse destroying the zombie, mind control worm and xenomorph apocalypse?

As if a capitalist using methods of mind control is unheard of.

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>being this triggered by a movie.

Just do them in cycles to keep the populace thankful for whatever corporation that ends the crisis this time, before said corporation unleashes the next terror.

The "One guy in control of everyone" is not a capitalist dystopia though?

Capitalist dystopias involve corporate warfare and people who walk into a building with a rifle, shoot the ceo, sits in the chair and now runs a business.

The idea of capitalist dystopias is "What happens if people are allowed to do whatever, even the shitty ones."

Not "What if a businessman acquires superpowers and mindcontrols everyone".

That falls heavier into "Robot overlord."

Disagree. A realistic corporate dystopia doesn't have people taking over a company with force. That's not what a hostile takeover is.

It also could be one megacorporation, or many. It doesn't matter, so long as it's controlled by corporate interests.

And robot overlords require robots.

You're kinda awful at this.