/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

You're kind won't fool me again. There's *always* animal fucking involved with you lot. Oh sure, you'll deny it, maybe get offended or even try to reassure me, but it always, always ends in animal fucking.

Are you sure this wasn't directed at the author of changing breeds and this guy

Awakening? Get rid of Atlantis, integrate it more with IRL occultism [like Ascension], get rid of or heavily revise the Wisdom rules.

That and simplify shit a little.

Just because you're Thrysus, doesn't mean you need to act like every ritual is a porn shoot.

Why would you wear clothes when the world can't tell you what to do anymore. I sure wouldn't.

Read 2nd Edition

Is a door an environmental Yantra?

Don't let those Thyrsus degenerates fool you, there's *always* animal fucking involved.

You knew it was going to be Brucato, they were always open about it being Brucato, and you dropped almost 400 dollars on it anyways.

The signs were all there during the campaign and yet you spent the price of a gaming console on sale for it. Why?

I have, I like it marginally better then the old Awakening, but still find it a bit bloated and dislike the Wisdom rules.

Yes

No. Unless it's like a very important door for like a portal spell.

>Why?
Because I confused the fun I had playing Mage with his influence instead of other authors.

I did not Awaken, brave the Aetheric fires, claim the Golden Key, and escape the prison of the Lie, just so I didn't have to wear pants.

Now, put on a robe, crack open a grimoire, and get studying. You'll have all the time in the world for your animal fornication once you're done with your apprenticeship.

Hey, I'm just the Storyteller. Ain't my job to tell them how to live their magical lives.

What about Wisdom don't you like?

Did you miss the decades of people bitching about Brucato?

I may have played in games run by his 'friends' or people who didn't think he was a joke. Should have looked into it more.

>Is a door an environmental Yantra?

It needs to be a particular and special door at a specific location that is semiotically linked to the spell at issue.

Two things specifically.

1. Using magic for petty bullshit you can do with mundane means should not violate high wisdom. I should be able to be as wise as Orpheus [high Wisdom Obrimos from Venture Bros] and make dinner with telekinesis.

2. Killing or causing great harm is a violation. I can not STAND this DC comics morality. Its not murder thats banned. Its not "Killing innocents". Its worded as "Killing". If I was to use the system at all, that would be my very first house-rule [of course I generally dislike morality mechanics to begin with].

Can Thyrsus chicks give themselves dicks with Life?

Of course!

I thought they made that into unplanned killings in 2e?

>Can Thyrsus chicks give themselves dicks with Life?

Yes, and that's why you'll never be a Thyrsus.

So this is the power of Mages

No one likes preachy and prudish Obrimos.

#PantsServeTheLie

Nope. And whats weirder, killing someone in a fit of passion is a WORSE violation then premediated murder. Its really stupid.

The question is never, ever 'can a mage do this?' because the answer is almost always 'yes'. The question is 'should they?'.

I have at least one NPC in my chronicle who does this regularly, so...

So the answer is 'Yes'.

Yes, congratulations, you can be dickomancer.

>dickomancer
Its everything I've ever wanted to be.

Anyone willing to share:

Tales of the Dark Eras
Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes
Beast Ready Made Characters

Thanks.

>#PantsServeTheLie

No,

#PantsProtectTheTruth

Lesser Ministry of Pants

Pantstechnicon Ministry?

Pantsternoster Ministry

>You wouldn't survive a day in my pants Atlantean

Have you ever featured known characters, or have they been featured by the GM, in one of your games? Whether they're signature characters from Vampire the Masquerade or whatever the other splats have. I don't know shit about Requiem. Does it even have signature characters?

Rio is hitting Mummy backers this week, FYI

They could already have one.

What are the best fast food places for supernaturals to have meetings in? I cant get over the idea of these powerful monsters/supernatural beings sitting in the plastic seats at mcdonalds and talking shop.

To be honest I'm surprised that not every Thyrsus descends into extreme hedonism.

Yeah in the fiction it does. The Mekhet girl from Britain was pretty neat.

Denny's. Open late, staff is too stoned to pay attention, patrons are already abhumans.

Failing that maybe a white castle (they still got hi-c in the soda fountains).

I had once an idea that in an event of local Ordo Dracul leader ever becoming a prince in my chronicle elysium would get moved to his haven..with is in library of the university.

So you would have vampires in their best gowns and suits sitting around the reading tables and drinking blood out of plastic cups

Great so I have Denny's, McDonalds, White Castle and maybe the House of Pancakes. Not to mention regular nondescript open 24 hours corner diner.

>Get asked for a meeting with the city's prince
>expect to be treated to lavish finery
>he takes you to fucking Denny's

Even Vampire games need some humor sometimes.

It can get worse. He can buy you a hot dog at the gas station and tell you to stick yourself with it

>he loved to go there as a kid with his family and the franchise became one of his touchstones
>because of his influence and status Denny's are seen as the places to be by politically ambitious Kindred looking to get in with the Prince
>they cant eat but they go there anyway just to be seen there
>Because of this strange patronage the Denny's in the city are extremely successful
>more capitalist Kindred are looking to buy into the franchise
>tensions are mounting over ownership of the restaurants

This has potential.

>Changeling
>Kith is a custom one for digital bodies, durance was a character in an MMO
>get a three-dot token based on her weapon from her durance
>not sure what to do with it.

I figure it should do some kind of "magic," like be a sword that shoots projectiles? But I'm not sure how to do that and have it be cool but still balanced. Ideas?

In my Mage the Ascension campaign, the shrine-maiden dreamspeaker was incepted by a high ranking Technocrat [she likes to dreamwalk] and blackmailed into working with them on a supernatural threat [he's also trying to strong-arm her into joining the Union in general]

It was, almost to a T, a rip off of the "We need pie" scene in MiB3. The Technocrat acted just like K, wore casual clothes, and made her dream look like a 1950s diner.

When it comes down to this in my WtF game there was a vampire NPC Mister Henderson - Architect of the Monolith, Lord of Invictus and former Reeve....and landlord of the building wolves were renting apartment in.

Obviously one time after he gave them a hand in something they invited him to watch football game with them so you had this centuries old vampire in his tailored suit siting with bunch of hobos in their dump,

Is this the Chronicles of Fagness?

Patrick was an archmage, we all know it.

Why is it always Dresden Files opening pictures?
I mean. There is loot of GOOD urban fantasy to draw from. Why the DF?

is Techne Merit only for one tool only?

I liked this one the most.

So. Dark Eras Companion FINALLY into Layout.

Do you think we'll have it before midsummer?
I'm now giving it even odds.

Do it in some other system. In fact, I am working on my conversion right now. The nice bonus is that mages are lot less OP in it.

Do you use ritual sex as Yantra? Because looking at you, I am suddenly in the mood for the long, nice fuck.

It's like Der Waffle Haus from that awful show Dead Like Me. I love it

Dresden Files is popular, and therefore has more art. Also Mages run this general, so the wizard series it is.

That's going on the list of pick-up lines that will never work, right up there with "My penis is Dublin" and "You're the only Ten-I-See".

That's alright, I'll always have Mind Arcana for if my pick-up lines fail!

Enjoy being shunned as a rapist then. There's a Mind spell that can make people feel love for you, and in it's description it says that using magic to make people want you isn't considered much different than just raping them by Mages.

Who needs an attractive mind when you could have an attractive body?

Yeah that's right. Life > Mind

So...I loved first John Wick and was alright with second part. Anyone thinks setting of the movies would make an easy transplant into cofd?

Yeah, I'll bet your think that being smart and charismatic is also rape, because making people like you is rape.

No reason why you couldn't do both!

>Yeah, I'll bet your think that being smart and charismatic is also rape, because making people like you is rape.

Forcibly? Yeah, it kinda is. That isn't 'Being charismatic'. Someone under the effects of a mind altering substance can't give consent.

Pretty sure Mind Arcana falls under that category.

"Being charismatic" is squarely Mind Arcanum. No difference between being charismatic and gaining the exact same qualities which make you more charismatic with Mind Arcanum. Nobody said anything about denying consent to other party.

No shit, if magic was real then mentally manipulating people into liking you would be considered kind of pathetic and sad, also probably immoral by most people. Being smart and charismatic naturally is fine, because you're using your own merits in a fair playing field, and people can still have their own natural reactions to you.

Regarding sex, using magic to make people want to have sex with you would probably be considered the height of sleaze, and could also be reasonably construed as rape, since you are taking the choice away from them.

I think we've had this conversation in this thread before.

Making yourself look smarter and cooler is not rape. Making someone suck your dick is rape. One is shifting the odds of the game in your favor, the other is flipping the table and raping your opponent.

I play VtM, and I once had Beckett in one of my games... He wasn't a focal point of it, though; he was merely visiting a local Elder in a search of the latest vampiric lore to be re-discovered, and the group encountered him in the Elder's library, (they were currently working for the Elder and paying off a life-boon) where Beckett gave a cordial greeting and started up a small conversation.

One of the PCs was a thinblood caitiff, who knew she came from a Gangrel great-sire, which she'd managed to piece together after her sire had abandoned her by asking around and following clues... Since meeting another gangrel in the city was pretty rare, she asked Beckett for some pointers on Protean, and the tips he gave her later allowed her to develop the first and second levels of Protean (with great difficulty mind you), along with teaching her some of the "culture" of clan Gangrel.

But yeah, that's the extent to which I include "canon" characters: they might get mentioned, or end up having veeeery minor appearances but they are never the focus of the story.

>Being smart and charismatic naturally is fine
And making yourself smart and charismatic with magic isn't fine? How so?

>And making yourself smart and charismatic with magic isn't fine? How so?

Because it's not 'Making yourself smart and charismatic'. The line this is about is:

>That's alright, I'll always have Mind Arcana for if my pick-up lines fail!

That's assuming that yes, your pick-up lines have already failed. You do not want you.

>fail to pickup a girl
>leave
>come back with a new appearance and your charisma stacked to the max

Why do people always go straight for mind control? Plenty of ways to use mind arcana to have a second attempt.

For the same reason that using performance enhancing drugs in sports isn't fine. Simply put, it isn't good sportsmanship. You're cheating and using crutches to compensate for your flaws instead of working to improve them. Making yourself more charismatic magically to achieve a good goal is fine, like convincing a scared victim to share information.

Making yourself more charismatic magically so that you hit it off with the ladies and possibly get laid isn't rape, just pathetic.

Making somebody outright want to fuck you is rape.

A new appearance is again getting into 'That's rape'. If you have sex with someone in a false identity that's Rape by Deception. That's legally a crime.

Depends on the state. All magical sex fiends, remember to read your states laws so you know just how far you can go.

>>Question
>If you could, would you rewrite mage and how?

For ascension, better combat system and more clearer magic and sorcery rules. Make clear in the core that the difference between each sphere level is a Tier of their own. Work the cabal of multi tradition mage into the actual political structure of the game and no largely ignore and make a political structure viable for a city beyond "meh just put a chantry in there"

As for awakening, give in the core a standard political structure fully fleshed for new players and DMs to get an idea of how the fuck this society works. Make in-close-my-eyes-and-think-very-hard spellcasting such a desperate move to make it almost not worthy. Make mage a more street game of throwing fireballs in back alleys and less a game of navel gazing and gurren laggan bullshit.

Make hitting your opponent directly almost always a better option than jerking off in your sanctum and killing your opponent from 50 km away.

Dont make the seers such boring mustache twirling antagonist with cool methods.

Either make it very clear that each arcanum is a tier of their own and that a mage having arcanum 4 to a mage with arcanum 3 is the equivalent of a Masquerade vampire with celerity 2 or 3 to a vampire with celerity 6. Or make make the arcanums longer (1 to 10) so the progression is slower.

Remove all the "fuck you i can raise this spell reflexively" that Dave put to keep the trite theme of privilege.

Make it clear that mastery and archmastery is like the D&D 20+ levels. Something for power fantasy wankers. Give them their own optional book for 2nd.

Make the whole game not necessarily be around mysteries. Or define example of grinding mysteries for players to get that wont shatter/define the campaign but just be an excuse for a player to raise arcanum 1 to 2.

1/2

The state laws aren't what you would need to worry about, honestly. What you would need to worry about are Hunters, Banishers, and even other Pentacle Mages. At least one will try to get his Cabal to help him handle you, or if you get really unlucky they would take your crimes before the Consilium and try to get you officially punished, and even if you got away with it (unlikely), your reputation would be ruined and everyone would know that you're a magical sex fiend.

2/2

Remove the whole "only X kind of people become mages" as poor excuse to justify why all the mages must be assholes.

>What about Wisdom don't you like?

For one it was lazy design, all the other behavior stats got a proper re-haul, Wisdom thought? Change the the level of sins a little, suggest they were guidelines instead of hard rules and call it a day.

Secondly suffer from the same problem from many behavior scales in NWoD, being "evil" is not worthy it. Having low wisdom carries 1 to no advantage so the whole "power corrupts" is dissonant. I would have keep the Resonance rules from Ascension revised, if you use a certain type of magic you gather resonance for it and you get better at that type of magic at the cost of other types or your resonance infect your other spells.

Which would work better with Awakening progression of starting without "paradigm" and slowly getting one with order tools, yantras, legacies etc.

>Make hitting your opponent directly almost always a better option than jerking off in your sanctum and killing your opponent from 50 km away.

Jesus christ yes. I really, really wish 'Throw a fucking fireball at him' wasn't such a terrible option.

>For the same reason that using performance enhancing drugs in sports isn't fine. Simply put, it isn't good sportsmanship.
That's bullshit. Dating isn't sportsmanship. The target isn't "win fair and square", the target is get laid. It's like saying "using a calculator to find approximation of irrational solution to equation isn't good sportsmanship". There is no cheating in using good tools to your advantage.

>Hunters
Nothing to worry about here.

>Banishers
They'll target you regardless of what you do, so no reason to deny yourself the pleasures of life.

>even other Pentacle Mages
If they Sleeper-lovers, sure. Otherwise, I highly doubt that Consilium is going to punish you for something like that. Not while they still have to catch this "magical surgeon" Mystagogue, who think vivisection on living Sleepers is key to Supernal mysteries.

Gotta admit...I'd play this guy. Like Dennis but with magic.

Yeah, because killing in a fit of passion means you didn't think it through. That's certainly more unwise than a carefully laid plan.

Yeah, that looks like a Mind Mage's plan.

It has nothing to do with "wise use of magic", though. Sometimes quickly zapping someone is best possible course given.

Sure it can be, but I would argue that it's still not a wise choice, in the sense of having thought it over and planned it out. It may be the best choice, and maybe the only one, but from the perspective of Wisdom, it's your fault in the first place because you didn't see it coming.

>ignores half of my post
Okay.

Listen, using magic to get laid is sad and pathetic. Not only are you exerting unfair advantages over people who can in no way defend against them, but you're doing it to just fuck them. To use them. Whether you're compensating for your flaws so that you can get with a girl who wouldn't look twice at you normally or magically compelling them directly, it's ridiculously immoral and fucked up. Like drugging girls or getting them drunk while you stay sober. But I guess that's also fine with you, since drugs and alcohol are also tools to be used to your advantage.

>If they're Sleeper-lovers sure
No, not sure. I'm sure plenty of Mages would see it as a gross abuse of the Art, using magic just to satisfy base desires. Again, even if you escaped punishment (again, unlikely, because harming and manipulating Sleepers with magic for no good reason is a crime, see Precept of Hubris) you would be outed as a gross magic sex fiend, essentially ruining your reputation for various reasons.

Fuck you for making me sound like some SJW White Knight you fucking fuck

What's your opinion of a vampire using awe or whatever that glamor power is then