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Which gameline lets me play as my fursona?

Just for you bby
>comparing werewolves to SJW
We've gone too far
Changeling the Dreaming or Mage I guess

Changeling: the Lost is your best bet. Folks are going to say Werewolf but they're wrong.

Mummy, with a specific Utterance.

>Changeling the Dreaming or Mage I guess
Changeling, Werewolf or Beast user don't try to work mage into it

Mages can do anything though!
Werewolf only works if your fursona is a wolf and even then you have to deal with him being a huge asshole since all werewolves are huge assholes. I imagine that wouldn't work for the type of people who want to play as a retarded fursona in the first place

Mage is for chuunis

>How do the splats celebrate Valentine's Day?

Mages are busy casting rituals.

You never want to waste an Environmental Yantra.

WtA
>apocalyptic theme
>the struggle between tradition/the litany and pragmatism
>the tension between breeds
>lots of opportunity of politicking
>there's plenty of reason to fight other garou
>the opportunity to deal with heavy stuff like the War of Rage and the Impergium
>you can play it angsty and introspective or go full heavy metal furry Captain Planet murder machine

Don't get me wrong, I like WtF's kinda fairy tale team but WtA is more appealing.

WtA

>Furry Captain Planet and the Planeteers
>Glorification of eco-terrorism
>The Beast of its time

I know I don't.

drive.google.com/file/d/0BxveHUKxwBU9RnlfTkJnY2NyMjQ/view

What are your thoughts on the new Perfected Materials?

>perfected materials act as if they were the base material for the purposes of banes, ignoring extra qualifiers, like requiring consecration

Does this mean you could mass produce perfected iron weapons and sell them to changelings to rape true fae with?

>The Beast of its time
Not really

>could mass produce perfected iron

No, magic cannot make lasting perfected metals and their creation is not easy or without cost, they are naturally VERY rare, and creating them the old fashion way takes a very long time and is magical resource intensive.

Perfected iron also has a great many valuable uses, and I doubt changelings could offer mages much that would get them to part with it.

So, which splat has the potential to be the most romantic?

Please don't say Mages.

Vampires are the obvious option
Werewolf could do some forbidden love kind of junk since they aren't suppose to bang
Mummy could do some love across the ages thing

Other then that I don't really think any of the other splats have anything out of the ordinary in terms of romance

To be fair, of all those 4 level attack spells which all arcanas have, Prime is only one which is likely to work on everything.

Changeling, for specific fursonas also Werewolf or Beast.

WtF
>yiffing is allowed
checkmate

>Please don't say Mages.

You're going to be disappointed, as mages are indeed the most human of all the splats.

However, I imagine that Changelings have a lot of thematic background to be quite romantic. Of course, such romance will no doubt end in terrible suffering.

You forgot the Fariest.

>Werewolf could do some forbidden love kind of junk since they aren't suppose to bang

That's no longer the case in Forsaken 2e.

Except the link I posted, an excerpt from the next Mage book, has a Matter 3 Spell that lets you make Lasting Perfected Materials for 1 Mana and 2 Reaches.

Also, I'm not familiar with Changeling, but there's probably something of value in those Goblin Markets that a mage might want.

I don't know anything about Changeling

>such will no doubt end in terrible suffering
Acanthus x Fairest

Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Goblin Markets are interesting, but Supernal Magic would just turn such trinkets into junk

Do werewolves still bang actual wolves in Forsaken?

When the perfected metals spoilers was released, Dave asked for feedback about the Lasting option. The response was universally negative, Dave ultimately agreed, and he then indicated that he will remove the Lasting option in the final product.

>Except the link I posted, an excerpt from the next Mage book, has a Matter 3 Spell that lets you make Lasting Perfected Materials for 1 Mana and 2 Reaches.
DaveB's been back to say they're removing the Lasting option. Because quite frankly, that was bullshit.

Vampire has a lot of options: you love a mortal but aren't one anymore, the unhealthy ghoul/domitor thing, the blood bond... there's a lot of material there. I think Changeling is solid too (love-pledges and tragic romantic fairytales, fucked up Keeper love).

Werewolves can totally bang in Forsaken 2e.

The Forsaken don't care too much about real wolves.

That makes sense, I suppose. Just going to have to do it the slow way if I want some Arcadian genocide.

It is in fact out........NOW

Time to crack open my copy!

Source?

It's not actually hard for a Mage to create Perfected Materials.

Lasting or Indefinite, it doesn't really matter to the Mage in question.

Other interesting tidbit is that this likely is giving a clue as to another rule to be released in Signs of Sorcery. How crafting spells turned into Attainments may be Lasting instead of having a duration as per the normal rules.

Primarily because this breaks an existing rule of their Legacy Attainment rules. I wouldn't be surprised if that were put at the 5-th dot level though. Being able to flat up turn anything into a perfect version of itself seems like a Gnosis 8 thing to do to me.

that sounds almost too narrow

Some of us missed that Kickstarter, so if there's anything juicy please share!

>We've gone too far

A better example would be the black panthers but SJW are a more contemporary example

Did you mean Changeling?

>yes, but it is still not encouraged, since it moves them away from the herd. It just doesn't spawn murder-children that want to kill you for having it cursed with life

Would it make sense to use tass as the main form of currency/quest reward for a Mage game?

>A better example would be the black panthers
Yeah i'd agree there. SJW just tend to whine about shit and not get anything actually done

>The Beast of its time
Unlike Beast, WtA acknowledges that garou aren't innocent. The War of Rage, the War of Tears, the Wyrmcomers, etc. all point to a spot and say "and here's where the garou should have known better but fucked up" whereas Beast tells us that Beasts do LITERALLY nothing wrong and that every supernatural loves them.

Beasts are Mary Sues, Garou are flawed (anti-)heroes

Having focus isn't the same as being narrow.

But Beasts can do nothing wrong. Are you an MRA that you would even suggest such a thing? Those Chads and Staceys absolutely deserved it.

Beast is honestly at its best when the story revolves around the sham of their morality. I wish folks could see that as a strength instead of a failing; the Begotten are spinning bullshit justifications for their predatory behavior and a part of each and evey one of them knows it.

>nobody has spoiled Rio yet

baka desu

In honor of Valentine's Dat, you are all now Garou of the Fianna tribe, as they are the most... 'passionate' of the werewolves.

HOW DO YOU CELEBRATE THIS JOYOUS DAY?

>Stacey
Are you implying a woman could ever be in the wrong? Your blatant misogyny is triggering me

I don't think werewolves like faggots so I don't think we would get along well

Yiff my brethren probably.

The same way as my forefathers, unbridled alcoholism.

the problem is that the books are, so far, not written in this way. I hope that this will be polished in future supplements, but so far, all it does is sounding like juvenile revenge fantasy

That's against the litany, though.

You dare to think you have the luxury of not breeding the next generation?

There's some of what I describe in the corebook, and a little more of it in thr fiction anthology. I hope it's a theme the Beast team can run with, because I personally think it's a really rich narrative space to explore.

I've got a Beast Dark Era festering in my head set in Ancient Greece, where the Begotten are self-styled Furies acting on behalf of gods none of the, have ever met or necessarily believe in, and how their reasoning falls apart in the face of Changelings who have been touched by the "divine" for real.

Nostalgia.

They don't, Veeky Forums is just full of people who hate new things.

New things are the only thing worse than the old things.

>be garou
suicide is the only reasonable response

>suicide is the only reasonable response
They'd probably find a way to fuck that up too.

I gave Forsaken a fair shake and it, along with its community, never gave me a lot to care about with its over all narrative. I feel that way about most nwod games honestly. VtR and CtL however were interesting and I would play them, and the mechanics of WtF are generally better thought out though I think Garou still gave a better impression that you are playing a bad ass death machine, probably has to do with the aggravated damage and Rage mechanic.

the thing i find weird is how people look at pure in forsaken and call them nazis
when garou had human concentration camps, practice forced abortions for the unclean and want the same thing as pure

Not really.
That's a bit like telling a Vampire if he does something for you, you'll give him this blood bag you found.
Pretty shitty compensation most of the time.

I thought only the Children engaged on that stuff

> Garou Shall Not Mate With Garou
>mating: (of animals or birds) come together for breeding; copulate.
>breeding: the mating and production of offspring by animals.

Now mating for the purpose of CREATION that is creating offprings is forbidden that means all other kind of sex (anal sex, oral sex) is allowed since they do not produce offspring

So you can blow your bro and then he can fuck your butt and then you two can spit roast that cutie cousin after she finishes tribalising her other cousin as long as no pen00r is jamming a vag00 its all cool

I'm not a ragabash

it came out first
it has more fluff
as a oWoD game it has a set focus and story
it is more of a complete picture
it requires less input from the GM creative-wise

I thought yiff jizz was so mystically strong that no matter what you did it would still knock them up.

Group wants me to run a werewolf apocalypse game, and while I've had interest in the setting for a while I've never gotten the chance to run or play it (though I have played, but never run, a fair bit of masquerade and mage). I know the basic shit (gaia, wyrm v wyld v weaver, pentex,etc) as far as setting goes, but anything I should know beforehand about the system? Also, is the 20th anniversary edition the edition to use?

While you're not wrong, the issue is that Beast doesn't want to be that on the development side of things and explicitly tries to get away from that theme with books like Conquering Heroes and Tooth and Claw. Even with the tone of "this may/is a bunch of bullshit" that's being slipped in, ultimately Beast would like to present its protagonists as justified.

Beast honestly wants to be something like Nightbreed, where Beasts really are supposed to be a metaphor for the marginalized and the downtrodden who can't help but be who they are, even if it means they actively antagonize the regular world. Heroes really are supposed to be agents of the status quo, but ultimately only in it for themselves.

It works in Nightbreed because Midian has an established society with a sort of code, and Decker really is an absolute monster who hides behind the veneer of humanity. It doesn't work and can't work in Beast because Beast has to go bigger and broader than Midian and Decker virtue of having to be a game, and doing that muddys things up to what we have now.

Matt could decide to change his mind on the tone and theme of the game, and he probably should, but don't get it twisted: it only exists because of the re-write, and only because that material has to mesh with the original material.

Couldn't you just use a condom anyway? Or would even the slightest threat of pregnancy be a violation?

Garou are Nazis but they stopped being Nazis (although some want to be Nazis again cf. Red Talons).

Pure are Nazis but because of #notallNazis it's badwrong to kill them.

I'm interested in playing a WtA game but I have the same rules questions as you. If nothing else, you can grab the WtA introductory kit from RPGnow. It's different (d6s instead of d10s, no merits or gifts) but it's nice and light.

(Most) of the Garou realized and acknowledged that it was a bad idea is the thing. Its what created the children of gaia after all.

Is that cropped porn? Kind of looks like it.

Give it here

I wouldnt call the pure nazis because they people in this board get pedantic with the term. A more neutral description would be a hate group.

Well as all the fiannas i would ride the small yellow bus like my brethen, sniff glue and smash beer bottle with my forehead.

I started rpgs with forsaken but then read apocalypse and i like it much better......shitty rules aside.

okay fine
I get really drunk and pick a qt red head and fuck her brains out

The Fianna really are like the Bone Gnawers but with alcoholism plus living in a trailer park instead of an alley. Not sure if they differ on the incest.

Sound like cool guys

>Mummy
"I have crossed an ocean of time to be with you... here, listen to this ballad from a civilization that has turned to dust..."
>Samuel Height
"I got you your very own fur coat...."

DRINK

Is Mage supremacy still gay if Chronicles of Darkness is a feminine World of Darkness?

youtube.com/watch?v=Z_xDL4_uXew

you're in good company

>it requires less input from the GM creative-wise
and that's why I like WtF, so much can be done with some imagination. the same imagination that other people seem to not have

>mineshaft
>leathermen
>drug abuse
No thanks

can you really just hang out in war form on owod? I'm more familiar with cofd.

>and that's why I like WtF, so much can be done with some imagination. the same imagination that other people seem to not have

Sure because thats why i pay 60+ dollars for a game book, for it to need me to do the work for them.

I just thread through WtA for the first time and yeah, pretty much

It's the natural form for Metis so they wouldn't be kept around if they were perma-frenzied for the ten years before their first change

Yup. It's a common thing.

>Edition?
I prefer Revised to 20th. 20th crammed so much into the book that it ends up being light on detail; information on the Fera is light and sometimes nerfed for no good reason; finally, not much crunch was changed except dropping Secondary Abilities in favour of (I think) "Professional Knowledge", "Hobby Skill" and whatever the third one was, cleaning up a lot of redundancy and stupidity. I kind of agree with that last one, but 20th is far too expensive for my fortnightly TTRPG budget.

>because of #notallNazis it's badwrong to kill them.
Fuck. That. The liberals can fuck off back to their safe spaces, we invaded Europe in a massive coalition of nations and invented nukes just to destroy those genocidal assholes. It is always okay to #punchanazi and Indiana Jones would agree with me. If I ever see Richard Spencer he's tasting my knuckles.

You show your ignorance like a badge of honour, friend.

Fianna are Celtic, through and through. That means fierce clans that beat the shit out of each other at the drop of a hat, drink hard, party harder, love a good song, love a good story, and if one of them dies, the wake will probably turn into an alcohol fuelled punch-up. The men are hard, the women are harder. You're fucked if you talk shit about what they believe inn in front of them. That's just the kinfolk, the Garou are the same only angrier.
youtube.com/watch?v=q6CHq9mXkJ8

Tha's the spirit, laddie!

This, this, god almighty, totally this.

I hate people trying to defend this utter laziness. "It's a toolkit!" Fuck you. Maybe they should drop the price by $20 if they love publishing a half-finished product so much.

Get some imagination you tools.

>You show your ignorance like a badge of honour, friend.
>Fianna are Celtic, through and through. That means fierce clans that beat the shit out of each other at the drop of a hat, drink hard, party harder, love a good song, love a good story, and if one of them dies, the wake will probably turn into an alcohol fuelled punch-up. The men are hard, the women are harder. You're fucked if you talk shit about what they believe inn in front of them. That's just the kinfolk, the Garou are the same only angrier.

As my Children of Gaia PC put it "Mother Gaia loves all her children equally.....but she also knows some of her children are special and have...special needs. So dont hate the Fianna, they have a place in the world, as fodder can... i mean vanguard. Yes they fight gloriously so more important, smarted and.....useful garou dont have to and they will thank you for it."