The High Lords of Terra announces that Guilliman is a traitor and heretic

>The High Lords of Terra announces that Guilliman is a traitor and heretic.

Would it trigger a civil war?

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Why would they do this?
At least explain this before baiting people into shitty flame thread.

Because they're afraid of losing their power. When The Last Wall protocol was enacted, the High Lords flipped their shit and had to be reigned in. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the High Lords who pushed Cawl away from finishing Guilliman's life support armor all those thousands of years ago.

>Marneus, something more cheerful
And so Guilliman enters Terra undisturbed

OP, this is 40k. Sneezing in the fucking wrong place can trigger a small civil war. Any damn thing can get the Imperium fighting itself. That's par for the course. The answer is OF COURSE.

What is the Last Wall protocol?

where all Imperial fists and sucessors join up back to legion strength

Probably. Unless there is some irrefutable evidence of his treason to put forward, the Ultramarines and a good chunk of their successors AT MINIMUM will revolt.

Ultramar and its little empire are no small part of the Imperium. And a lot of the other space marine chapters are going to be in a weird spot too, because Guillman literally wrote the book they are all brainwashed into following. Given a choice between the the High Lords of Terra and the mythological primarch, loyal servant of the emperor? A lot of marines are going to be drawn to the primarch.

Yeah, a really short one, since the Ultima segmentum will declare for Guilliman and the rest of the Imperium will be a 50/50 split between Ecclesiarchy fanatics led by retards who've been driving the Imperium into the ground for the last 10,000 years and those loyal to the Emperor's last loyal son who also happens to be the greatest of Primarchs when it comes to large scale logistics and empire management..

Aren't something like 80% of extant marine chapters Ultramarines descendants?

If they try to excommunicate Guilliman, they'll have a couple of legions worth of marines out for their heads, not even taking into account all the mortals who'd consider a primarch to trump the high lords on the imperium's power pyramid.

Nah. If that happened, then all Space Marine Chapters, even those who don't follow the Codex and dislike Guilliman, would flip their shit and go straight for Terra because no uppity High Lords will declare a loyalist Primarch a traitor (even if some non-Ultramarines would dislike him).

And even then they cannot do it since Guilliman is the dude that established the whole HL thing in the first place, not to mention being a Primarch of a loyalist Chapter and a 1st Founding one that took the name of the original Ultramarines Legion as their own. Because if they did this, then it would result in the above thing with the Chapters flipping their shit and going straight for Terra.

And don't get me started on the fact that the Custodes also have something to say.

Even the most insane Space Marines would always choose Roboute over the High Lords...except for the Minotaurs.

Hoping Roboute will whoop Moloc's Termie ass at one point.

>large scale logistics and empire management..

And here Guilliman would literally conquer the other half of the Imperium. As much as a uptight guy he is and somewhat of a control freak, he knows how to Empire-building and how to make sure supply routes are 100% functioning and what stratagems are right for the job.

Now if we only at least had Vulkan and Corax to further back him up...

Yeah. Primarchs are worshiped as demi-gods remember, Index Astartes note that Dorn was upset that the Imperium had begun to worship the Primarchs almost as much as the Emperor.

It's like the Vatican declaring Jesus a heretic.

And then don't forget the other non-Ultramarine Chapters. Even they wouldn't tolerate some literal nobodies (from their P.O.V) doing some stupid shit to the guy who's the gene-father of one of the 1st Founding Chapters.

Hell, all marines sans those that are literally lapdogs of the High Lords would march on Terra to have a "chat" with the uppity Lords.

Hell, even the Space Wolves would go with Guilliman if it means to bash some High Lord skulls.

>High Lords
>Being rational

Maybe one or two, but not all. If you consider the Assassinorum Master one of the two rational ones then it would be Beheading 2.0.

I'd say it would be more like calling Paul a heretic. Either way, the amount of chuckle fuckery it would take to get that to pass in earnest would be downright mind-boggling.

As in the High Lords debating over if to declare Rowboat a heretic?

Before they even pass it, he will open the doors to the senatorum while being escorted by a bunch of Honour Guards, Fallen and Grey Knights.

>The High Lords of Terra announces that Guilliman is a traitor and heretic
>Everyone ignores them
>The Captain General kills them all when he finds out what they got up to during the meeting he missed

Dude, if that happens the Captain of the Custodes will stroll in and kill all the High Lords with zero effort.

These guys actually remember the Primarchs and the Emperor's original goals.

They hate getting involved but for something as urgent as this they will.

Is Valdor still alive?

>The High Lords of Terra announces
Do they high lords do press conferences?

>The Last Wall protocol

I'm laughing because I Googled it and Lexicanum lists three sources: all BL garbage.

The custodes' head honcho back during the Age of Apostasy was called Excelsor. Now this was in 2e SoB codex before Valdor was invented but unless they retcon it there is a way for him to get killed or disappear at some point.

Yeah, there's no way the other First Founding Chapters won't join the Ultras. All the first founding ones tend to back each other up on stupid shit like that, since otherwise they could well end up getting it done to them.

It's politics.

>zero effort
What about the Assassinorium High Lord?

He could be killed by a single marine with a Bolt pistol.

Not only politics, but also somewhat a attack on Astartes independence.

Space Marines answer only to Big E himself and will not be the servants of some bunch of nobodies that rarely get even the simplest of jobs done right. The Minotaurs are an exception here since they are the attack dogs of the High Lords created to police Space Marines, yet probably they at best will not interfere with any side (as in they won't attack Guilliman since he's a Primarch and if they did this then they'd surely be wiped out by the Ultras and their successors, but they also won't go up against their bosses).

Yes, Ultima Segmentum and the hundreds of Ultramarines successor Chapters alone would fight for him

>escorted by a bunch of Honour Guards, Fallen and Grey Knights

I want to see some art of this.

>mfw The Lion turns / reveals he was heretic all along
>mfw my Dark Angels turn heretic / reveal they were heretics all along

I swear to God... I... fuck... please JESUS GOD NO

>lion
>heretic
this meme needs to die
yes there was some sketchy things in dark angels history
the lion's loyalty is not one of them
he once made a changer of ways give up trying to change him
he was the one who had to come and pick up guilliman's ass and get him to terra
he was literally the first son and known to be literally the most loyal of any of the primarchs.

I am well aware of all of this.

I am also aware of an army of Fallen marching at Guilliman's side which makes me nervous as fuck.

I have no idea what sort of TWEEST, they're gonna pull on us.

The ultramarines and all their successor chapters would side with him, as would most if not all of the worlds in the ultima segmentum.

It would be a fucking disaster.

Not to mention the Custodes as well.

If I was a GW marketing drone, I would have all non-trademarkeable factions in WH40k declare war on Rowboat Girlyman only to be utterly defeated and never mentioned again. From then on, the Imperium will be represented only by Adeptus Astartes and no other factions. All being absorbed into being slaves.

It won't be a simple opening of the doors.

Guilliman will kick the doors and simply take the seat of Lord Commander of The Imperium and have an eye on every single High Lord.

Then there will be a shitload of things to fix to better prepare the Imperium for the worst.

>Cypher sneaks to Big E.
>Kneels before him and presents the Lion's Sword.
>Emps fixes the blade and thus all Fallen are FORGIVEN.
>Sneaks then to The Rock.
>Finds Lion who was comatose for 10K years and puts his blade on the 1st Legion's Primarch.
>Lion wakes up.
>Lion and Cypher present themselves to the rest of the DA.
>Proceeds to give them a lengthy speech on the 10K years of fuck ups they did (actually commences on the Angels of Absolution for not being slaves to their past and actually get shit done).
>Dark Angels now instead of hunting the Fallen are now aiding the Imperials in many of the most critical warzones in the 41st...I means 42nd Millennium.

You should honestly write for GW

>The High Lords deploy the Assassinorum en-masse to deal with the issue
>Custodes vs. Assassinorum war on Terra

I'd pay to see it.

Is Guillilman the Trump of 40k?

If not Lion, who will be the loyalist Primarch who turns traitor?
It better not be Khan, Vulkan or Corax.

No

Nah, if I did so then they'd fire me on my first day for suggesting to revive Squats as a faction. Even after suggesting what to make grimdark certain elements of theirs.

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Just like Abaddon

Already Happened. Is Called Horus Heresy.

Tyranids at their gates
Abaddon smashed through Cadia and is making his way towards Terra.

This is not the time for disunity. The High Lords cannot allow their authority to be challenged or question in these dire times. Guilliman will be targetted by assassins and the Sisters of Silence. His death is mandatory to save the Imperium.

It won't happen. It'd piss off too many players if they did it.
No one wants to go from playing a loyalist chapter, with allies and all their jazz, to a CSM one.
Even if they keep all the basic SM units etc (I guess you'd argue they got all the stuff while loyal) it'd fuck with allies etc.

They can always turn Lion and the high ranks into traitors leaving the vast majority of troops loyal. Cypher returns and becomes chapter master. You'll only lose Lion and other figures that don't have miniatures anyway

>Sisters of silence
>42nd millennium

>Sisters of Silence
But they are dead Jim. The Beast finished them off and nobody knows if the Black Ships do have some of those ladies.

>killing Guilliman
He made the High Lords thing, he can disband them or take complete control as Lord Commander of The Imperium. The post that was originally his to start with.

On the other hand how Rowboat would react to Nids and Crons? Not to mention Tau...

Wasn't that bullshit?
I haven't read the Magnus book, so don't know for sure, but there are a lot of claims, and I'm yet to see anything that actually shows it isn't bait.

Basically this. All the fallen are now the Dark Angels. Lion and his cohorts are now the fallen.

>But they are dead Jim.

Ehem...
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So they actually survived? I doubt that the Sisters would comply with the High Lords on taking on Gorillaman and his allies.

>But they are dead Jim. The Beast finished them off and nobody knows if the Black Ships do have some of those ladies.

Actually, they are back. Wrath of Magnus ends with the High Lords officially unleashing the Sisters of Silence. Turns out they were hiding all this time.

>Turns out they were hiding all this time.
>For 10K years.

They must be good at hide and seek.

They were under the command of Anna Frankist

He will crush the current lord comander by sitting on him?

Heh.

This being Guilliman, yeah, because there is a 99.9999% probability that the current Lord Commander of The Imperium is a puppet.

>BobbyG will never crush you with his flaming sword.

And people bitch about the Dark Angels legion building...

If you ask friendly, you might get an imperial fisting from calgar

Technically you could say that they are a legion at this point with all those Chapters of theirs.

Just have Lion step in and snap the finger.

Nah, he'll Cast Fist.

Minotaurs included?

oops didn't see the whole post

The Minotaurs would have a big problem here as mentioned a couple of posts earlier.

They'd probably not intervene at all, neither supporting Guilliman nor the High Lords here. If they attacked Guilliman, then the Ultras and all other Chapters (Ultramarine successors and non-Ultramarines by that extension) would simply murder them (sure, under Moloc they are Marine killers and always operate at full Chapter strength, but even they would be raped to death by 23 full-strength Chapters, especially after what they did to the Interceptors), and if they joined Guilliman then they'd loose the whole sweet bits they were getting from that one secret Forge World (including freshly produced Contemptor Dreadnoughts).

So the Minotaurs will rather back off and make up a story like that they were forced to fight a spontaneous Necron or Tyranid incursion.

Paul WAS a false apostle though

Guilliman isn't Paul.

The Traitor Primarchs are the Pauls (sans Magnus who didn't asked for it).

I don't remember Rowboat peeing on people and acting like a bitch.

>It better not be Khan, Vulkan or Corax.
It's going to be one of them because they have a negligent fanbase. Probably the Khan because no one cares about the White Scars.

Methinks the heretic doth protest too much

Triple 8's confirm. Lion is a heretic

AHHHH
I knew it was referenced that the fallen where the original loyalists and that the circle has been covering up the past treachery
but
this just proves it
if "loyal" primarch's start getting outed and a second division happens the empire might not be able to withstand it
truly the future is dark indeed

I love this if the Lion goes traitor we can laugh and say we knew it all along and if he goes loyal we can say he was the traitor that was foreseen to go good

Here's an alternative:
>The Lion was loyal all along! (or turned loyal)
>but the upper echelons of the Dark Angels weren't
>chapter schism
>or you could reverse it
Bam. Loyalist and traitor Dark Angels.

I would honestly like to see the 1k Sons either return to being loyalists, or go rogue and flip EVERYONE the finger. Or even Magnus discovers the Blood Ravens who were 1k Sons stock the entire time. Realizing that his sons survived (in a way) he tearfully reveals the truth of their primarchtage and with promises of GIFTS and KNOWLEDGE (and maybe a few dumptruck loads of psychic persuasion) turns them to his side. The 1k Sons rise again.
Plus Alpha Legion MAKING UP THEIR FUCKING MIND.

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Both the Fabricator-General and the Paternova are High Lords. The Tech-Marines swear oaths to Mars as well as their Chapters. There will undoubtedly be some conflict there.

The Imperium is extra fucked when it comes to tech. Good luck to Rowboat and his empire building skills if he doesn't have goddamn roads to build his empire on. At the Paternova's word no Navigator house but the renegades would serve Guilliman and no Tech-Priests would tend to the technology.

Guilliman is fucked if that happens. His 'empire' would be about as impressive as the Tau's without the very framework the Imperium functions on supporting him.

Oh yeah, and don't forget the Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica. Good luck maintaining a stellar empire without any means of communicating planet to planet. All Astropaths are bound on Terra and owe their loyalty to Terra.

Remember, a full half of all the Primarchs fell to the powers of Chaos. Only one High Lord has ever perverted the power of his station and that was Vandire. He never fell to Chaos! Primarchs tore the Imperium apart. The High Lords inherited the right to rule the Imperium and have loyally served their duty for 10,000 years. Much longer than the Primarchs ever managed before they fucked up.

High Lords for life. Rowboat a shit.

t. inquisitorial dog of the high lords
you fuckers don't even follow the creed of the emperor.

Do you really think that the other imperial instutions have the strenght to fight ultramar and all the XIII legion sucessor?

>All Astropaths are bound on Terra and owe their loyalty to Terra.

That was true even during the Great Crusade...

at some point the sheer quantity of the loyal guardsmen regiments plus whatever mechanicum and space marines that follow the decree would probably emerge victorious

but GW wouldn't have their smurfs suffer such a defeat, god forbid they throw a bone to the other factions for once

>At the Paternova's word no Navigator house but the renegades would serve Guilliman
He will use safe webway from his new friends
>and no Tech-Priests would tend to the technology.
He makes Cawl General Fabricator.

Space dwarves have plenty of potential.

Hell they live in underground, youd have a race of terrestrials who learn to live in the warp, blockaded by daemons by massive castles built entirely on hate and contempt which no god lays domain on.

They stride into battle with ancient weapons made from the condensened warp, masters that would make the greatest warpsmiths of the iron warriors hang their head in dornian shame.

They have dynasties that are old when many gods were young and are utterly detatched from the world, arriving only as harbingers to collect the dying ashes of the lesser races.

Given the astropaths litterally are bound in soul the the Holy Emperor they, above all, will be loyal.

So the Astra telepathica would likely side with whoever was actually right.

>Guilliman suceeds where the Emperor spent years failing.
Fuck off ward.

As per the topic you'll get a very bloody war. It'll be likely some guardsmens and inquisitors will be divided on the subject but well, its not like primarchs are above corruption, they are infact very explicitely not. Plus Guilli's record isnt that squeaky. Plus since his gaunlets are unknown artifacts looted from a chaos champion its very likely to be tainted...

However all adeptus astartes are almost universely divorced from humanity with the idea they are superior to them. So almost all chapters will side with the primarch just because he's the primarch. Even if Guilliman was Khan this would happen.

All of ultramar would likely side with Guilli too. However the Guard themselves would either side with their Lord on Terra or be reminded by their commissars to do so.

But the most important thing that happens is that, after untold millions are lost in this civil war and chaos looms ever closer, these abandoned and shattered shards of the Empire turn to the only group that offers then shelter and defense against this war. The Tau.

Greater Good always wins.

It's surely something the Kitten would do.

>>Guilliman suceeds where the Emperor spent years failing.
Unlike his father he is on good terms with eldar.

That implies the Eldar would assist humans out of something like friendship. If "it was the right thing to do" existed in 40k a lot of obvious issues would have been resolved.

I hope something like this happens. Mabye not a war, but clear animosity, wich leads to deep devide in Imperium. I think that 99% of chapters would side with Gulliman.

The Emperor is a god.

Guiliman his son.

Guiliman is a demigod.

THe high lords are men.

In the face of a true son of the God Emperor, to declaire him heretic is to commit the ultimate apostacy and treason. It is to claim one is infact a better judge of godkin than the god that hand wrought them out of clay.

The Arch heretics of Terra will burn, their inferiors whose hands wring with anticipation of their seat will oust them.

The flames of the mob will do the rest.

Do you think Guilliman will take advantage of his 'divine' status for political purposes?

Or will he go on a secular autistic rant against everyone who says God-Emperor?

Will Greyfax be nice to him?

>Will Greyfax be nice to him?
I am more concerned of Celestine and Yvraine hitting on him.

>Yvraine

Keep that xenos slut away from my space dad.

Indeed. One of the things, apart of the team back then not knowing what to do with them, why the Squats were squatted was that they weren't sufficiently Grimdark...oh, and something, something copyrights.

Maybe one day they'll bring them back as a faction since they were mentioned as not dead and acknowledged by the Imperium as abhumans. Who knows? And if they do, then probably under a different name.

BUT FIRST FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR HAVE THEM FLESH OUT THE DEMIURG!

The only thing he'll probably do is force the High Lords to get shit done and punish them if they act like a bunch of incompetent morons as they were for 10K years.

So when is the book coming out?

Roboute Rebellion is catchy

My brotha, I fucking feel you.
It's like rooting for OJ at this point.

Loyalty is its own reward, brother.

I hope they don't fuck with other primarchs' backgrounds.

I am hoping for that Ghost Rider Ferrus Manus with Legion of the Damned tho.

who would Alpharius be?