Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1361: Pool Party on Apokolips Edition

What happens if you toss superman into the sun?

A good comic-book.

He goes super saiyan.

Man, I loved that comic. It was such a good story about supes actually being inspiring and noble. A lot of superman stuff misses the fact that superman is supposed to be inspiring in the same way that batman is intimidating.

Depends on the continuity, but usually it makes him stronger. In some versions he might even fuse with the sun to become Superman Prime, his final form.

It's kind of funny how All-Star Superman got Superman so very right while All-Star Batman got Batman so very wrong.

What jump offers blue feathers, again? I can't remeber.

Why the fuck is his species extinct again?

Nobody figured grow lights could make them gods?

All-Star Batman is Frank Miller kinda self-parodying. It doesn't get Batman "wrong" it just pushes a version of Batsie to its extreme.

Oh god, ASBAR.

In some ways I love that comic for being so very, very insanely wrong it's amazing. I mean...bats, you painted your teeth yellow to try and outsmart Green Lantern. Why?

Ah, found it. Harvest Moon jump.

No, it's pretty much a huge pile of shit. It takes everything admirable or inspiring about Batman and replaces it with whores and swearing and setting people on fire with flaming bleach. It's true that it's Frank Miller self-parodying, but I don't think it's intentional on his part.

Harvest moon.

They had a red sun, so they probably never noticed.

Also the sun doesn't like them.

The annoying thing there is that it's so very much not what the All Star series of comics was supposed to be about. They were supposed to be a 'Welcome to this hero, this is what makes them great/what makes them worth reading'.

All Star Superman did that well. It's 'This is a story that examines the core of superman's character and why he does what he does while showing off a lot of the crazy comic stuff about him'.

YMMV. I think it's fun and weird, both in good and bad ways.
>unintentional
Debatable. I read an interview of him a long ass time ago and he seemed pretty open about it being silly and juvenile.
Right I hadn't considered that. I can understand how that would be a let-down. But I'd rather artists do what they want rather than conform to editorial mandates. Even if it's to make stuff like that.

Reasons differ from continuity to continuity, but one idea that's relatively common is that the Kryptonians did know that at one point, and were galactic conquerors, only to retreat back to Krypton after their defeat at the hands of an alliance of a bunch of other species. Their civilization stagnated, their space travel capabilities were lost, and in the red light of Rao they were no longer space gods.

And the funny thing is that in ASBAR, Green Lantern doesn't even know about the yellow weakness. But Batman does, somehow? And also knows that Superman can fly even though Superman doesn't and just leaps around Max Fleischer style? How does Batman know more about these peoples' powers than the people themselves?

I'd rather artists make actually good stories, like we know they're capable of from their prior work, rather than shit out a pile of the tritest and most offensive ideas possible because it amuses them.

>But I'd rather artists do what they want rather than conform to editorial mandates. Even if it's to make stuff like that.

Eh, I'd disagree with that. I mean, it's one thing for editors to go 'We want you to change what you are working on' pointlessly or make silly demands but I'd consider the writer/artist in the wrong if he's working against the entire reason the comics were made.

Still, at least it's not Holy Terror. That is something I'm very glad DC said wasn't going to be a Batman comic (As Frank originally wanted it to be Holy Terror Batman!)

He read the script and it drove him insane.

>Still, at least it's not Holy Terror. That is something I'm very glad DC said wasn't going to be a Batman comic (As Frank originally wanted it to be Holy Terror Batman!)
Holy Terror is pretty damning evidence for the idea that no, Frank Miller isn't intentionally self-parodying, he's just gone crazy and also lost his skill for good writing.

The "Roster" in Fire Emblem: Awakening also lets you recruit canon companions.

"Alternatively, you may make canonical character companions for the same prices but they do not gain another identity or CP."

I haven't read Holy Terror but I honestly think "dumb, crypto-fascistic" is a valid interpretation of the Caped Crusader.

As says, if you read Sandman, in one flashback chapter we see how old!Despair convinced their sun to put them in a cursed world.

>tfw you abandoned the love of your life for nothing because you couldn't be bothered to read a jump from start to finish

In fairness I think that bit was updated in after it was requested so it may not have been in the version that was read at the time.

...MOTHERFUCKER.

Oh grandfather clause applies then. Sorry user you'll never be able to fix this.

The Sandman commode also make the point that the Endless also define their opposites (and they have great power over their inverses). Death defines life, Dream defines reality, Destiny defines free will. Noteworthy here is that Despair defines hope, and here she is more or less creating Superman, who goes onto be one of the greatest beacons of hope in DC.

No, it probably was there. I just saw a companion import and skipped over it, as I didn't have that many at the time.

As much as a freak out as me vanishing must have caused, both king and queen vanishing would have been catastrophic.

>Chrom got left out of the Jumpers adventurers.

It's just like Super Smash Brothers all over again.

>I haven't read Holy Terror
Good, keep it that way. It's really, really bad.

>but I honestly think "dumb, crypto-fascistic" is a valid interpretation of the Caped Crusader.
See, that's not the problem. If the point was to portray a Batman who's obsessed with control to his own detriment, fine. We've got lots of good Batman stories based around that idea, of "the Batman who goes too far". But All-Star Batman is just such an asshole. He doesn't even read as Batman. He's not a detective, he's not a crusader, he's not an adventurer, he's just a guy who likes punching hobos. And yes, admittedly, regular Batman does that a lot, too, but only ever as a means to an end. With All-Star Batman, you get the sense that the chance to do brutality to others is the main draw. And if that's the vision of Batman you want to go with, one where he's just a growly asshole who shouts at everyone for not inflicting as much violence as he does and never even tries to make the world a better place, then what are you doing reading Batman?

If you knew both of you were going to leave you could have set up something/someone to take over in your absence.

I'm not sure that's canon, actually. It gives a different origin for the Guardians of the Universe than in mainline DC.

>Apostle (GATE)
>Godslayer (Alterworld D. Rus)
>Anti-Life Immunity (Superman: TAS)
>Power of Dominance (Castlevania)
>Zombie (Seven Deadly Sins)
>I Have No Soul to Burn (Ghost Rider)
>Powerful Soul (Anima Beyond Fantasy)

OK, /jc/, how do we kill the Jumper?

Sandman is canon. Or at least it was when it came out, but you now how comics are.

>bobblehead origim story.

Do tell.

What did it give as an origin?

Another Jumper that has the ability to bypass immunities.

Otherwise their pretty much invincible.

Yeah, but that's not the Sandman comic. That's from Endless Nights, a miniseries from 2003.

Dream's first girlfriend is implied to be one of the ancestors of the Guardians. She's just recently discovered how to shape energy into matter, a precursor to the power rings. However, there are two problems with this. The first, that isn't Gaiman's fault, is that it's just a generic energy construct thing, nothing to do with the Green Light of Willpower. But this was before that was introduced, so that's just a case of a retcon invalidating it. The second is that the Guardians aren't native to Oa, they came from Maltus, and already had the beginnings of the Lantern technology at that point. Killala identifies her people as having been living on Oa and studying its star, Sto-Oa (who she cuckolds Dream with because of Desire playing a mean prank, thus starting Dream and Desire's feud) for a while, so if she's just discovering energy shaping it doesn't fit with the Guardians' origins. Also, she's female, which the Guardians weren't. All the female Maltusians went to Zamora, not Oa. So she shouldn't know Sto-Oa at all.

What do godslayer and powerful soul do?

Powerful Soul, in addition to making your soul powerful, basically just lets you regenerate from soul damage.
Honestly a lot of those perks are redundant.

A Sword of the Cross?

Possibly a cloud of disentigration from demons of astlan. It rips apart everything it touches including souls, matter, and energy.

Avada Kedavra?

Would that even stop the regeneration?

Falls under Power of Dominance and I Have No Soul to Burn

Falls under Anti-Life Immunity

Energy Drain/Enervation from D&D? Regen doesn't help against level drain.

Strong reality warper decides to turn you inside out?

>Would that even stop the regeneration?

Swords of the Cross count as whatever is needed to stop regeneration or supernatural toughness (Even if there is nothing that normally stops it)

A couple of times I wasn't sure I wanted to leave a setting. I almost stayed in Gravity Falls after I screwed everything up so badly with Bill. Except I knew if I stayed I couldn't help out anymore than I had, I was just punching out of my weight class. Then in Strike Witches I considered staying and really investing my time in saving the world instead of just cruising along with it.

Princess Mononoke was the first place I truly considered staying. And, funny enough, it had nothing to do with the events of the movie. I had built a slow, steady routine of living in the middle of the Great Northern Forest. There were no massive demands on my time, just the gentle pressures of life moving from past to future. And I felt... happy. That ancient forest showed me a kind of peaceful living I had forgotten was an option after decades of action, blood, and weekly chaos of most worlds.

Only my mistakes propelled me forwards. Korra, the Pines Twins, Lina... they were all waiting for me to come back for one reason or another. In the end, I had to move forward. But I know I left a bit of my soul in that home.

Trap him in a room where the entire floor is a slowly moving sandpaper belt? 18 grit preferred.

>Falls under Anti-Life Immunity
No, it doesn't. Anti-Life Immunity blocks stuff that influences/controls your mind, body, or soul.

Avada Kedavra just kills instantly.

Now, Anti-Life Immunity would stop an Imperio or the like, but not an AK.

>Trap him in a room where the entire floor is a slowly moving sandpaper belt? 18 grit preferred.
Yoro. We want to kill him, not torture him.

>Strong reality warper decides to turn you inside out?
Falls under Godslayer

Then Immune from Death Note (I thought that I had included it).

>Trap him in a room where the entire floor is a slowly moving sandpaper belt? 18 grit preferred.
It would hurt, but It would kill you.

As long as your soul is still there, you can regenerate.

Wouldn't a Jumper with the card captor system just use The Null and The Erase Cards aimed at the Perks themselves then The Time for a time stop followed by The Maze and The Lock solve that?

Basically, nullify and erase the Perks, then stop time as they cast the Jumper into an eternal maze in a separate dimension then lock them within it forever. According to the world outside that maze, they lived out their eternity within an instant.

How hard would it be to mind control a Planeswalker?

Curse you, Manyfist.

For making a CP Vampire of a jump... About Vampires.

Depends on so many factors that without clarification of the parameters of the situation, your question serves as nothing but a pointless argument starter.

Depends on the planewalker. It don't think they have a generic resistence to it. But if it is a blue planeswalker, then you're gonna have a hard time.

No, see, that Jumper doesn't have any willpower increases or sanity defending perks. So while the room will now kill him, the lack of sleep and constant pain will eventually drive him completely insane. Add in randomly strobing lights to cause the Jumper to break down even faster.

Then you've got an immortal pile of flesh to experiment on or discover a way to destroy at your leisure.

> But if it is a blue planeswalker, then you're gonna have a Bad Time.
FTFY

...

My dick.

I'm talking specifically about Nahiri the Lithomancer, once she gets out of her imprisonment on Innistrad.

I have a few dozen jumps' worth of mind control and hypnotism perks. And I plan to control her into helping me seal an Eldrazi.

Would that work?

I was about to bring another perk for that, but I will give you this one. You have earned.

...can't you just, I don't know...

Ask nicely?

Nahiri is crazy af as this point. She just spent a millenia stuck in a dark room with talkative Demons.
When she got out she saw her home place devastated. Now she wants revenge on Sorin and everyone else. She's actively drawing I'mrakul (not the funnest eldritch abomination) into the plane of Innistrad.
So it can devour it.

I don't have enough charisma/therapy perk for that shit, but I do have a lot of brainwashing powers.

To be fair, it's one of the shittiest death curses out there considering it failed to kill the same baby twice.

>would that even stop the regeneration

It's killed stronger. It killed a peer to a being who the author said could beat up the anthropomorphic personification of winter.

Anyway.

Anything which, by its' nature, can annihilate reality or concepts directly rather than souls (The Devourlord, Shiki/a shitton of conceptual weapons in Type-Moon also a big enough blast of mana is apparently considered stronger than most of them, Chara, an Eldrazi, Fingerkings, True Fae, I think some Touhous as well)

Anything capable of interfering with accumulations of supernatural life energy to the point of being able to affect things which have it, but technically aren't souls (Chakravartin, Bhunivelze, the Horroterrors, a bunch of other gods, angels in general, a lot of wizards out there especially the DC ones)

Anything which, by virtue of its' nature, is technically manipulating, a part of or source for reality rather than something that warps it (the Yozis, the Buddha and other members of the celestial bureaucracy, the Judgements, Kami Tenchi, The Lord of Nightmares, spiral energy users)

Anything which has the ability to specifically bypass normal supernatural immunities (The Exalted, SMT demons)

And there's a lot of overlap here but the point is-don't get cocky, kid. Expecting to be able to tank everything forever with perks and ONLY perks without any further effort is the stupidist possible way to jump.

Nothing on this?

Considering that you're going to be stuck with her the entire time means that even with your paltry amount of therapy perks you should have enough of an influence to have her not go full retard and instead help with the Eldrazi before you help her deal with Sorin.

Essence Inversion spell, from Exalted? Might be too slow, but it turns the essence of the victim's life against them until they die. It also never stops, unless the caster decides otherwise, or the victim dies.

Otherwise, there's the Rune of Singular Hate. Which is basically the ultimate 'fuck you' spell, and probably has a decent shot at killing them (and if it doesn't, at least it hurts like a bitch and permanently fucks your 'stats' up).

And that's assuming Shaping attacks would be blocked by Godslayer, not too sure about them counting as powerful reality warpers..

...Also anything on this one?

Holy shit, Yoro.

Depends. It'd be pretty hard to control an oldwalker, but neowalkers wouldn't be much harder than other people/mages.

She's probably one of the hardest to control, outside of Nicol Bolas and Sorin Markov.

I'd count Jace as harder, since Blue. But he's honestly a pretty shitty blue mage.

You could also, you know, make sure she doesn't get out? Or just mind control her before she goes to Zendikar and goes all insane vangeance mode?

>Nullify the perks
Ehh, I not sure if that would work.

The problem with trying to define what is and isn't a reality warper in Exalted is because fundamentally speaking, reality is in a constant state of warp over there. The natural state of it all is an infinitely infinite sea of narratives filled with fae which treat it all like their personal RP forum-and which are arguably correct to do so, because confidence is a tangible metaphysical constant. Things like gravity and matter are anomalies cooked up out of the big bang fucking the spirit-gestalt of nature and stabilised by sorcery.

So either everything, down to grass and potatoes, is reality warping. Or nothing is.

Woops, meant The Nothing.

Here's relevant part about her Power:
> Despite her primary ability to make things vanish/unmake whatever exists/return to nothingness, she has other powers as well.

This is based in the CLAMP Multiverse were magic goes full conceptual, and what are perks but added conceptual qualities?

And considering that the Jumper is facing another Jumper, they know how this whole thing works and thus can target and nullfiy/erase the necessary concepts to make their job of eliminating their opponent easier.

>Expecting to be able to tank everything forever with perks and ONLY perks without any further effort is the stupidist possible way to jump.
With +750 jumps, it's possible. You just need more perks.

Nope I didn't take that drawback. I arrive after she got out.
>She's probably one of the hardest to control, outside of Nicol Bolas and Sorin Markov.
Damn it.
>Or just mind control her before she goes to Zendikar and goes all insane vengeance mode?
Hmm I think with the scenario I took I can only get to her after she has put up Cryptoliths to call an Eldrazi, and incidentally turned Avacyn mad.

I may have to just incapacitate her then.

...welp. Good luck bro.

Considering most jumps aren't actually about invincible soul warriors, I rather doubt it. And it's stil fucking retarded to actually DO that.

>And considering that the Jumper is facing another Jumper, they know how this whole thing works and thus can target and nullfiy/erase the necessary concepts to make their job of eliminating their opponent easier.
user, potatoes is not a thing.

Potatoes?

Score one for psychological warfare over brute force.

And now, a Build

Last time on Restarted Chain!
+ Jumper made a series of dick jokes, threw a Pokeball the size of a VW Bug, and then blew all the windows out of a skyscraper during a concert.
This time on Restarted Chain!

There is no witty, pre-Jump commentary this time. The Coordinator seemed distracted and despondent, but gave no indication whether this was my fault or not, simply waved one hand at us to get on with it. So we made our choices in silence.

Jump 23: Adventure Time

Location: Candy Kingdom (Rolled)
Identity: Drop-In

Perks:
+ Beautiful Hair (Free)
+ Elemental Monarch, Candy (600, 400)

Items:
+ Royal Tarts (100, 300)

Companions:
+ Come along with me (300, 0)
= Raven: Wizard Wizard - Wiz Biz, Archmage, Card Wars, Apple Pies
= Frisk: Drop-In - Beautiful Hair, James Baxter Good, Floop the Pig
= Muffet: Scientist - Auto-Tune, Door Lord
= Rip Van Winkle: Adventurer - Hero Heart, Dungeoneering, Sucking at Something, Little People.

Story Time!
docs.google.com/document/d/18Ycai1btYbpAC9lju8wItD48F93bfZRxCXbFWok8tHU/edit?usp=sharing
Admittedly, the story time is in pretty rough shape this time. I haven't gone back through to edit it, so it's pretty stream of consciousness. But I haven't had much time for JC stuff lately, either Jumping or Jump Making.

Highlights include:
+ Rip Van Winkle disappears into the Infinite Train Dungeon for four years.
+ Muffet takes up an internship with Princess Bubblegum. Raven preemptively bans her from using magic in the kitchen as well.
+ Frisk stays with the Dolls in the Hot Springs for lack of anything better to do. Seems bored, but happy.
+ Raven splits her time between hanging out with me and delving into the City of Wizards.
+ Haruko heads back home after only a few years and steals my Guitar. I'm rather pissed off because I'm never going to get a replacement for it.
[1/2]

Multiplayer mode is potato casserole.

Continued Highlights:
+ Finn and Flame Princess pair up naturally and I help Finn not be such an idiot around her and blow the whole think like birthday candles.
+ Certain comic book events seep into the world, most notably Marceline Lost In Space.
+ Muffet stays behind to continue working with Princess Bubblegum.
+ Marceline takes her spot on the team. Raven is not surprised in the least.

Overall, pretty happy with how these ten years turned out. I would have liked to bring PB and Muffet along, but PB wouldn't leave her Candy Kingdom, even with the assurance of a time stop in place.

>Holy shit, Yoro.
It's always the quiet ones. Always.

Observe:
What is that anything BUT a multiplayer question user?

But you know what? Fuck it, I'm wrong, but that does not exclude the validity of the Clow Cards since they can still remove those qualities and then trap the Jumper eternally.

If I used the Statue from DBZ to make Dragon Balls in God of Highschool, do you think the dragon would be able to grant someone a Barbadium body?

Anything Gaiman writes supersedes normal DC canon for me because he's leagues above 99% of their writers.

I mean sometimes it seems like even Toriyama can't decide what wishes can or can't do beyond the vague benchmark of "as your strength increases so does that of the wishes" so-maybe, if you're on the Jade Emperor's level.

Doubtful, the dragon can't grant something above its power leven remember and gods are WAY ABOVE its powerlevel.

This seems fair

That's not really heard. Vegeta and Nappa were above his powerlevel.

I am honestly surprised that a Crysis jump has not been made yet. Is there something about the setting that jumpmakers don't want to deal with?

Or is there a Crysis jump on the drive and I'm just blind?

Wait, it's based on the strength of the wisher, not Kami?