>What should resources 5 afford your character and what would you buy?
Paying to create an actual good mage game.
Jose Allen
THIRD FOR MAGE SUPREMACY
Brody Martinez
Wut is das?
Samuel Anderson
Thyrsus mage in her slick business attire. Invariably all Thrysus end up being 6' 8'' blonde amazons with 5+ dots in physical stats.
Kevin Stewart
Infighting and hunter mobs being able to stop anything short of a powerful mage.
Ethan Myers
>Invariably all Thrysus end up being 6' 8'' blonde amazons with 5+ dots in physical stats.
How my thyrsus looks like in my current game.
Anthony Gomez
Autists pretending to be discussing WoD while memeing about Mage, sperging about mages vs other splats, and comparing Mage to every fictional setting ever.
Plus two or so decent posters.
Aiden Jones
No I mean the figurine, I don't give a shot about you mage fuckers.
Sebastian Hughes
>comparing Mage to every fictional setting ever
That's not what was happening. The previous discussion was based around the rather blatant fact that the strongest fictional magicians greatly overpower the strongest fictional vampires.
Nothing more than that. Moving on!
Owen Butler
What are people's favorite Vampire faction, old or new WoD?
I'm personally fond of the Sabbat. Path of Enlightenment, Viniculum, glorying in the vampiric condition, and fighting Elders and the apocalypse all appeal to me.
Lincoln Barnes
>But user, a mage made that figurine.
Jason Cooper
>Implying it isn't non mages with the penis envy of their magically endowed betters
Sebastian Peterson
>take archery merit >stake vamps all night with lobbed shots >you could even stake two at a time if they stand in front of each other
Fangers best watch out.
James Richardson
Does Archery work for crossbows? I don't think bows can shoot stakes.
Michael Anderson
>What are wood-tipped arrows?
Dylan Morris
You've got a lenient ST if they let you get away with just wooden arrowheads.
William Ross
>At close range, an arrow from a short bow hits as hard as a small-caliber bullet, and bows are silent, so their combat potential is obvious. Another common use for bows is driving a sharp wooden shaft into a vampire's heart. To do so, the player must roll five successes to hit the heart, and at least three health levels of damage must be inflicted after soak.
From the WtA revised core rulebook.
It might not be intended in CofD but it's supported in WoD.
Jace Wright
>Night of monthly Ashwood Abbey bacchanal >Lads and lasses getting buzzed from the Duke's impressive wine collection and Colombian cocaine >Everyone's wearing masks Eyes Wide Shut style >except for one honored guest >he is chained in a chair naked and buried up to his neck in a barrel of salt >chained chap has uncanny skill for making people drop dead with just a glare, but he needs to see the face or bare skin for it to really work as we've learned through trial and error >Chapter Master's house has secret arena >The naked guest of honor is seated in the middle of it >Make him "fight" pit bulls and rottweilers while chained >So far no dog has managed to get within ten feet of his barrel alive >When the number of dogs dipped below acceptable something else was sent in >Something we caught a month ago and have kept chained in silver in the catacombs of the mansion. >Throngs of masked Hunters jeering and spilling their drink as they watch the blood sport unfold.
What's your favorite cell and why isn't it the Abbey?
Adam Stewart
It's not an issue to remove an arrow head and carve the shaft into a point or affix a wooden arrowhead.
To a fanger such modifications would be scarily easy.
Blake Bailey
Cheiron Group They grind Beasts into Viagra
Owen Powell
>the most potent power of a Beast splat is their ability to be reduced to a fine erection inducing powder
So Cheiron's more on the turning supernaturals into implants for agents and not an X-Files conspiracy group that's just dissecting and learning about these creatures?
What implants would one need to steal in order to become a cyborg for Section 9?
Carson Russell
My point is more that, while it's nebulous just what makes a stake so effective, a wooden arrow just doesn't cut it. Perhaps it's the girth of a stake that makes it work, or some mystical thing that has to do with the nature of a pure stake, but wooden arrows seem like a cop out to me, and it wouldn't fly in my group.
William Bennett
Seriously, what is this figurine?
William Perez
>Your shaft isn't girthy enough to stop me >Haha if only your shaft was a fraction of an eighth bigger!
The basis for which a vampire's dead heart can tell if its been prolapsed by a wooden shaft deemed GIRTHY enough isn't in the rules. What is in the rules is
Chase Roberts
Dude, his shaft just plunged straight into your heart. Bitching about the girth isn't going to save you.
Charles Wright
The line has to be drawn somewhere. Surely a toothpick can't stake a vampire, so it's up to the ST to determine just what the threshold is. is a WoD rule, and I play CofD Hunter, so in my games it hardly matters. It can work in yours, nobody's telling you how to play your game. Same way you shouldn't tell me how to play mine.
Brody Torres
>Surely a toothpick can't stake a vampire Says who? If you can get that little bastard in there, I don't see any reason why not.
Jack Wilson
So if I could get a toothpick into a vampire's heart it should stop them? If your answer to this is no, then just how much wood is required should be up to the ST
Cameron Anderson
We're just gonna have to disagree, then. I can't see any logic behind any tiny amount of wood piercing the heart rendering a vampire immobile.
Oliver White
But my answer to this is yes
Xavier Garcia
Well you got to investigate before you can implant. That's just good research.
> +Str +Reflexes +Stam Ghoul blood works fine enough. Keep taking the red pill supplements The cereblium of a mage, for all the telecom shit. I'd suggest grabbing one of the techier ones. Freedom Coders is the code name they call themselves I think.
For the full body conversion I'd suggest ripping the brain out of a Promethean and implanting the agent's brain as a replacement. But that might just make your agent a Promethean, but at least it's YOUR Promethean Agent.
Zachary Moore
But my answer is yes...
Tyler Bailey
Not him, but you've managed to 100% remove any qualms I just had about wasting a Cheiron Group hit squad we're taking on in our next session.
Gavin Parker
And I just posted that we clearly have wildly different opinions on how a staking should work. Nothing else to discuss, then.
Josiah Jenkins
>Stake this guy's character >Umm I feel like this shaft doesn't satisfy me...lethally. >Dude what >There's just not enough girth to get me going...into my coffin >Seriously there is a circus tent stake in your heart >Such a tiny amount of wood piercing my heart shouldn't render a vampire immobile.
Jesus Christ just wear a cuirass if you're so paranoid about it.
Parker Ward
There's a big difference between a thin arrow shaft and a circus tent stake. If you think that a arrow shaft is enough, that's cool, I don't.
Adrian Barnes
You're not even trying to gimp the magefags, your beef is with anyone with a piece of wood in WoD
Carson Stewart
You're the one bringing up magefags. I play Hunter, but I think wooden arrows is kinda stupid.
Anthony Morales
Get your anti-Vampire measures here folks! Protect your families against the parasitic menace! 10% off if you buy a full faggot.
Charles Bailey
Why do you think vampires never conquered the Americas? The Native Americans had it down.
Aiden Anderson
...
Adrian Ramirez
>Fuck the actual rules, I'll make up shit as I please, and I'll REEEEEEE if you try to argue with me.
Christopher Myers
... If you turn one Vampire into a wooden stake, can you stake another Vampire with him?
Isaiah Thompson
Rules for oWoD. A game I'm not playing. I haven't screamed or even used the multitude of ad hominems you've done.
Why do you care so much that one user doesn't like your wooden arrow idea?
Dominic Mitchell
>Moros shoots you in the heart >Transfigures his bullet into a wooden stake >Reenact American History X curbstomp >No more pointy teeth for fanger. >Say goodnight
Adrian King
As long as it's a full sized stake, sure. When did this become a mage thing?
Colton Lewis
Excellent, now I have a screencap in case anyone bitches.
Brandon Hughes
I totally forgot that prometheans can be humanoid robots with machine gun arms.
How will she get optic and thermo camouflage?
Austin Jenkins
>Prosthetic parts Well if you're suicidal You could try to jack a Demon going Loud. Could also work for the optic thermo camo as well. Work off that quantum entanglement.
Getting all this as implants is kind of impractical and could work better with complementary devices. Like just beat up that Potter kid for his cloak of fuck you. and wear therm retardant military gear. In fact I think a good bit of the kit could just be military gear + ghoul blood. So Maybe look over at TFV and kidnap a vampire that has a the weakness that they can't form blood bonds. Then you just milk that puppy till you're done.
Jace Peterson
Because any limitation you impose on a simple human hunter is going to be overcome by a 2 dot mage so nerfing a human's limited options is irrational.
Staking is thematic, if you want vampires to be better house rule away their aversion to sunlight while you're trimming away everything that makes them vampires.
Archers are already at a disadvantage in the hand gun age. Your vampire is a thinblood if he doesn't notice the beefy amazon walking around with a longbow. He's also a dolt if he can't snap her bowstring with a single attack. Bows ARE for staking. Their cumbersome size and inability to be smuggled is the hilarious trade off.
And sorry if your character stands out in the open and can be ended with a single arrow shaft. I'd assume you'd develop a defense for this. Namely a cuirass or hanging out in night clubs or by having I dunno, celerity.
ALSO
>Vamp chilling in his house. >Suddenly massive fiery explosion >Wooden splinters stake Vamp 9 times out of 10
This is probably why vampires hate traveling by ship, those splinters from cannonballs just mow them down as if they were regular sailors.
Julian Jones
>you can get accidentally staked by random woodchips
That is not how vampires work and is dumb.
Gavin Foster
>tfw you will never get penetrated by a beefy amazon
Samuel Lewis
Firstly, If you're using Mage in Hunter, you're doing something wrong, this is why Witch Finders exists. Staking is thematic, that's why it's better saved for stakes fired from crossbows, a rule which exists in CofD. The stake itself is iconic, not an arrow that happens to be wooden.
Lastly, why do you keep implying I'm the vampire? I don't play vampire, it doesn't interest me. You seem to have an issue like I'm some malicious force just because I find using bows to stake iffy.
You have a point in the cumbersome size, and I agree, but I simply don't enjoy the concept of using a bow. Crossbows are cooler thematically, plus have no advantages when compared to bows outside of stake firing, provides it's exclusive. And for practicality the stake firing zip-guns mentioned in one of the Hunter books work wonders for stealth.
Noah Fisher
The Cheiron group making cyborg Prometheans with the brains of their best agents sounds too good to pass up.
Although I wonder if they're still human because they still remember their lives.
How would one even capture a Demon? We know that arrows totally wreck Fanger's shit both RAW and RAI, as do most wooden objects, but what can a Demon even do?
What part do you remove for cloaking and remaining hidden?
Since demons can drift in and out of their covers. You'd have to tag down their Covers, which is possible but difficult. (In fact it might just be easier to go after their kids) Luckily most obvious demons have tells, environmental, behavioral and physical. Speaking tics, water running uphill. Family histories not adding up. Which makes them more prone to going loud. Which is bad because the GM sends out hitmarks after it.
Loud Demons are super tough. So tactically I would suggest taking a ripper to one of their arms or mechanical parts then run like hell, hope the GM's angels take care of the rest.
As for which part. I'd bet the "Horns" might be the transmitting and broadcasting signal wave they use for transformation. which would be the physical manifestation of their entanglement powers
Blake Barnes
Didn't you see that mythbusters about cannonballs going through wooden ships?
Buster was getting penetrated by huge wooden stakes all over. A few even pierced where his heart should be.
Wood splinters in a blast, user.
Christian Miller
>Zip guns Super felony if you're searched. Bows are legal everywhere.
If you're talking about stakes being iconic as in they steak things down, then so do arrows. Stories abound of one arrow staking two people together.
I'm sure you'd agree a Roman Scorpion can hurl stake sized bolts, but for some reason a crossbow can stake a vamp but an arrow can't.
>I am not a malicious anti bow force I'm not convinced.
Austin Hall
Or by degree of homosexuality of writers in each line
Caleb Morgan
Would be easier to buy a robot merit or edit a galatean power for remaining inconspicuous. Oh my why did the writers make it so Prometheans must buy each power individually and only from their shitty path? Suddenly I have remembered more than I wish and for the first time I have others to tell about it.
Like the irradiated Prometheans who can just make a tie out of a rod of uranium and heal ten lethal a round and irradiate absolutely everyone.
And the Prometheans that were made from animal bodies and they almost always seek out a swift death instead of striving to be human from such a miserly starting point.
The angels take the demon's body away after, right?
Josiah Foster
What the hell does a mummy have on any of the other splats aside from comfiest naps?
Kevin Ramirez
You fuckers have finally showed me the light. Mage was a mistake.
Tyler Rogers
>18th poster just appeared for this 1 post.
Nathaniel Ramirez
>During one such outdoor excursion, a group of revelers accidentally defiled a sacred Uratha artifact, causing a pack of werewolves to attack and devour a number of club members. Fortunately for the club, those killed had not let their families know where they were or what (or rather, who) they were doing. Returning to the site armed, the remaining club members found prodigious scat around the artifact, a warning to the club.
How often do werewolves shit on stuff? Do you guys dedicate a lot of description to this activity?
Dylan Ramirez
>mages, mummies and demons
The big three
Archmages are of course above them.
Owen Powell
Archmasters are above everything else that is playable.
Benjamin Hernandez
in one of the hunter books it mentions wood slivers in bullets being effective
William Wilson
It's a new thread, what do you expect?
Grayson Walker
/k/ here! It is perfectly legal to make a firearm, provided that it doesn't violet state and local restrictions. Zip guns would fly below every single ban in the country by reason of being non-self loading.
Grayson Martinez
I think there's a legoman picture like this.
Evan Clark
Having wooden core hunter bullets are more effective than circus tent stake fag user's preference for zip guns.
His splat just takes a single round to the heart, just like a mortal.
Also wouldn't Europe skin you alive for a zip gun?
Gabriel Williams
Well there it is. Proof that Awakening has the bigger penis.
Alexander Brooks
Dumb question, couldn't you just string a stake with a bow? Screw the arrows and go for close range.
Isaac Foster
Personally, I see the problem with the bow being the draw time. Against a Vamp with Celerity, by the time you've drawn back the string, you're already in melee. A crossbow fires faster.
Julian James
Then you can just stab them with the arrow, no bow needed.
Xavier Cooper
So, vampires sweat blood, right? Indeed, they have no bodily fluids BUT blood. And, according to Bloodlines at least, they can have sex. So presumably they ejaculate.
Does that mean you can diablerize a vampire by sucking his dick?
Adam Rodriguez
Probably.
You sick fuck.
Ian Torres
>mfw waiting for Wr20 book
Oliver Wilson
>Also wouldn't Europe skin you alive for a zip gun?
Depends on the country. S'not like Europe is one gigantic country with completely identical laws across all borders.
>And, according to Bloodlines at least, they can have sex.
In Revised, vampires rarely had sex, because there was an overarching theme of grim-derp "herp-a-derp, sex isn't grimdark enough, it has to be rape or it's not allowed". So, it could happen (though vampires not on high-humanity had to spend a lot of blood to let their bodies get erections and get the "juices" flowing again), but it was still pretty rare.
In V20, that's been changed: vampires can, and often do, have sex now. If nothing else, many use it as a great way to feed on mortals.
>Indeed, they have no bodily fluids BUT blood.
Close, but not 100% true: a famed kindred doctor, Netchurch, proved that vampires still produce saliva (which helps them close wounds caused by their fangs) and retain their ocular fluids: that's why not every vampire's eyes are blood-red.
Most of their other fluids (tears, sweat, urine, semen, etc.) *are* made up of blood.
>Does that mean you can diablerize a vampire by sucking his dick?
Theoretically, yes. Though probably only if said vampire was using Blush of Health/Life to pump blood into his dick.
I mean, the Giovanni (both male and female) have been stated to sometimes use oral sex as a way to feed their ghouls.
Luis Williams
I always figgured it had to be made with the intent of killing a vampire and you just couldent pick up any wooden thing and stab the blood suckers in the heart
Andrew Evans
Would a Thyrsus take weretiger cock if offered?
Xavier Price
You realize feline members are riddled with spikes, right?
Blake Carter
I'm not hearing a no.
Daniel Carter
Pretty sure thats a bonus for him mate.
Ian Roberts
Does said Thyrsus believe in bestiality?
What would the members of her cabal, Order and Consilium think about such gauche behavior.
>feline members are riddled with spikes
That's something a Thysus could easily remedy.
Lincoln Ortiz
Probably, Thyrsus are sluts
Luis Ramirez
>I played the Tremere blood slave of an abusive Tzimisce psychopath once. She wanted a spellslinging fuccboi to do her bidding, I guess. That's pretty romantic, right?
And she didn't fleshcraft you at all?
Ethan Stewart
Wouldn't bestiality require it to be A.) non-sapient and B.) an animal? Weres are all half-spirit bullshit, so it would fall under that instead.
Jordan Adams
>The angels take the demon's body away after, right? Recycled yupe
>t buy each power individually technically all splats besides mages buy their powers individually so You'll have to be more specific. Werewolfs have renown and aspects to work with so they have to buy their powers across a grid as well
Michael Bell
I have this sick feeling that DaveB quit.
Anthony Peterson
bait
Dominic Hernandez
Dave hasn't quite, he just no longer cares, and the recent mess with ZacS hasn't helped.
Noah Rivera
>bait
Not bait. His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.
I am frightened. I would be genuinely annoyed and saddened if he leaves.
Ian Jenkins
>that picture Didn't she make a cake mocking reddit in response?
Jayden Adams
>His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.
Hmm. When did that happen?
Could it be a response to the Zak S. fiasco?
Samuel Butler
Perhaps he's just fighting the power.
Bentley Phillips
what fiasco?
Kayden Diaz
>His forum signature no longer states him as developer for both Mage and Deviant.
I'm betting that by Gencon 2017, there'll be an announcement of a new developer for Mage and Deviant.
That will be unfortunate, but unsurprising. Dave's definitely been far less active as of late, likely having real life issues dominate his time. It's probably why the Mage FAQ hasn't been released, nor have new Deviat spoilers. Add his very annoyed response on rpg.net and elsewhere about the ZakS controversy, he probably felt it was time to move on.
I'm curious if he leaves the role of developer if he still intends to write for the various gamelines. He's one of the most prolific CofD authors, and if he leaves, he absence will be noticed and missed.