Oy vey why won't you free yourself from opressive Imperium and worship Chaos? You might ascend to daemonhood

Chaos Jehovah's witnesses.

True, but chaos is for both idiots AND high test men. Sure, you could live a life of endless labor, be guaranteed a bed and food, maybe get a qt wife and kids, OR you can shoot for godhood, crack some skulls, try to get your own planet, and get lots of bitching wargear and blessings. Plus, you don't have to answer to anyone besides literal gods, not even that if you worship chaos undivided. There's valid merits and downsides to both the imperium and chaos, it just depends on your perspective. For humanity, or fuck humanity? Suffer for others, or live for yourself? Good-intentioned slavery, or unapologetically sadistic freedom? It's a matter of perspective.

>implying magnus, lorgar, horus or any other traitor primarch is high test
lmao

literally a faction of cucks and crybabies

>Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life. [...] Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people "I offer you a good time," Hitler has said to them "I offer you struggle, danger and death," and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet.

Hope for Death Eternal

The Imperium does that even better, except you don't get turned into a slaaneshi demon's jizzsocket

The only reason to turn to Chaos is precisely because you think you should be having a good time, except you're too retarded to realise that anything which starts with "..first, sell your soul to the voices in your head, then.." isn't actually a good plan

For the endless bloody conflict and being rewarded with raw power for killing, so that you get to do even more killing! And when you die, you get to kill and be killed over and over again for all eternity!

Because they are lolterians or lolberals or lolchists. Dumb fucks that don't read the lore.

You shut your whore mouth i once had three cultist champions all become Daemon Princes in a single game

Em kaos boiz anit got zog adgesnt us orkz.

Wez dont ned no louzy gwads to be strong. We is strong cuz we orkz!

>be Imperium wageslave
>work hard, do your best
>slowly realize that you're working so hard you're killing yourself
>but you honestly enjoy your work and it gets you years ahead of your peers
>but there's so much of it
>eventually start hating how much of it there is, and the way you don't get out anymore
>too busy working to have any influence on the world or the people around you
>slowly slipping down
>start realizing that you don't want to influence your peers to do good and work harder anymore
>everyone is rotten but doesn't know it
>they all think they're getting somewhere, or that they're good people
>none of them are operating on a firm foundation of belief
>start pulling on your old connection strings, getting back into the influence side of things
>start giving peers advice that sounds great, but is actually setting terrible precedents for decision-making
>encourage hate, encourage alienating oneself from people they don't like, guide people away from talking problems out
>keep spiraling down
>you used to care about your work, but at this point work is just an excuse to corrupt your peers
>doing it to women and the sexually impressionable too
>they're all rotten, and society is built on this rotten core
>take some straight-laced peers and get them into alcohol
>then some light drugs
>then get them clubbing and into some molly
>work is no longer about doing a good job and serving the God Emperor
>it's just an excuse to corrupt those around you
>everything is going to come crashing down eventually, why not do your part to speed it up?

The daemon-prince/rewards of the ruinous powers angle is just icing on top of this.
Chaos just is not for rational people. It's corrupting something that is already susceptible.
The potential for reward may get additional volunteers, but ultimately, this sort of decay had to already exist.

>It's corrupting something that is already susceptible.
So much this. Good people don't turn to chaos, healthy people don't turn to chaos. I take offense even at the notion of people "falling" to chaos, those that turn to chaos, were rotten from the start. Sometimes it just took awhile for the corruption to show, but they never had anywhere to fall from, because they started out wrong and in the filth to begin with.

I agree, but what about people who converted to the worship of Nurgle to survive a crippling plague, or to Khorne at gupoint? And what about those who were brainwashed, or indoctrinated fork birth?

>what chaosfags actually believe
>what actually happens: you end up getting killed for no reason, because you reported to lord bale that enemy forces are coming

POWER REQUIRES SACRIFICE

Notice that except for a few key words, could be describing a real-life scenario.

Less extreme of course, and never elevating to the daemonic level, but the bits and pieces are there.
Chaos is just icing on top of real-life madness/depravity. Being forced to worship Chaos is just being forced into a traumatic situation. There's going to be a level of PTSD/madness involved, and hence, "not for rational people"

The statements could have been more clear, admittedly. 80% holds up.

More because they feel disenfranchised. People are often willing to do things purely out of spite, give a man a reason to hate his face and he very well might cut off his own nose out of spite. The Imperium's industries of war slowly grind people to dust, it is understandable that people will seek whatever means possible of escaping the Imperium's grasp. Why do you think people join ISIS or supported Hitler? Sure they get perks (which Chaos does offer) but they also wanted to lash out against a world they hated, ISIS is lashing out against widespread attempts at secularization within Islamic countries and westernization while many Germans felt humiliated and betrayed following WW2.

To be clear, the argument is that "good people" will never fall to chaos short of something that induces a bit of madness or other irrational behavior.

I'm putting the scare-quotes in because defining good is tricky enough even outside of 40k.
If we hit this from certain viewpoints, we could argue that everyone has some small corruption and everyone is capable of being fully corrupted by Chaos. At which point there is no such thing as a good person inasmuch as "good" is taken to mean "untainted by Chaos." Everyone is rotten.

You are just a low IQ autistic spark.

You comprehend chaos as if it was a physical being simply conversing through logic.

You may as well ask; why does the schitsophrenic choose to be a schitsophrenic?

The answer, you tucking deranged loser. Is that it is not a conscious choice, it is a slow erosion and corruption of the kind, without the will power and mental strength to maintain the straight and narrow you succumb to its subtlety.

Honestly you are a fucking retard. You are the reason 40K is in the state it is in. Fuck your empiricism and materialism.

It blocks the essential questions of our time. Idiot.

Because Hitler was the other choice. He was a beacon ofHope, freedom, justice, honour, truth in a sea of deprahity and scum.

You probably shouldn't really discuss such things when clearly you don't have an understanding.

Hey kid are you tired of living in a repressed militarist theocracy? Want to do magic and have kinky sex? Then boy do i have a deal for you!

I imagine this is how 75% of all Chaos cults start

What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't even mention a first choice for Hitler to be the opposite of. People supported Hitler because they felt humiliated in the aftermath of WW1 and Hitler promised to make Germany great again, which sounds pretty sweet when your country lost huge chunks of land in a war you believe you only lost because you were stabbed in the back.

>Forgetting the Jewish coup
>Forgetting all the fucked up shit in the weimark republic
There's a video which depicts the wonderful "culture" and "Art" produced in that nasty little era before goebbels rolled in, cleaned up, deported, and made Berlin other the other place in germany beginning with B the SS's HQ in an old Transvestite bar used for the fucked up shit that went on in that once-decline ridden town.

You know that homosexual with that massive penis caused by all those silicone injections to the point where it can literally be Docked? That's where he's from, the town where modern gender theory evolved from a Jew hiring all the fucked up shit to perform "Studies" and "research" on them, they literally restored it to the nightmare it once was.

Germany? Humiliated? That was the least of the concerns, they were quite literally the attempted location for the establishment of greater Israel, and had Hitler done nothing, well, it'd be Israel, but In Germany now.

Not that today is any different from the nightmare they tried to establish back then, it's basically an identical replica of the depression-age Post-war Germany.

There's actually some pretty neat roll tables for randomly generating Heretical Cults on 1d4chan, here's a link.

> 1d4chan.org/wiki/Heretical_Cult_Creation_Tables

If that was the only thing that went wrong for Germany, world war 2 wouldn't have even happened, because most citizens would still have been relatively content. I'm not going to derail this thread, but saying things like "Westernization" and "the only reason people are violent is because of backlash/they're scared" shows an incredible lack of understanding and grasp of the human condition. People, nations, and wars are too complex to sum up their motivations in a single word, or even a single book. Volumes of volumes have been written for why people do the things they do, and they're all incomplete.

Personally I like Chaos nations like the Blood Pact more than Chaos cults who traces their origin within the Imperium.
Gives me the opportunity to play Chaos Warriors IN SPACE.

Same here, I just wish there were more minor Chaos empires in the lore. I think a Tzeentchian Anarcho-Capitalist society would be interesting.

>ITT, almost everyone talks about the benefits of Chaos from an OOC perspective and therefore renders their own arguments null and void

The amount of Chaos cultists that know what a Daemon is beyond legends, let alone the specifics of Apotheosis or anything concrete about the Warp is tiny, they fall for the meme because, to them, there's little bad about Chaos that they can see or are allowed to see until it's too late and the mind-altering metaphysical seed of the Ruinous Powers has already infiltrated their psyches.

Same reason people get into drug dealing. They're desperate, and they can see the success stories have an amazing life way above anything they can dream of. The fact that most of them end up worse off than in their subsistence-level prior existences doesn't matter, because obviously they're going to be one of the success stories.

Because hot cultist-chan chicks user.

idiots and high test are usually the same

>be a Guard
>life is hard, your friends die in droves
>you almost died to a stray shot from a bolter or a slugga multiple times
>you are more often then not used as glorified cover for the tanks
>such is life in the Guard
>but at least you get to chillax in the barracks when its over
>maybe chat with that chick that you...
>oh wait
>she died last assault
>suckz
>try to talk to SoBs, your dick feels like it could explode
>damn she pretty
>she smell good
>try to smalltalk
>she almost fucking strangles you
>calls you a heretic
>bitchcalmdown.jpg
>the cunt would please corn or whatever whas his name with that rage
>decide its too much
>talk with the few mates that are still alive
>stab the commissar in the back and take his shit
>run away
>join the renegades
>your last friends also die in droves
>you still feel your heart pounding when you hear the sounds of bolter
>still a glorified cover, this time for daemons
>the daemons are ethier ugly, smell like shit, are fucking angry like your commissar or want to suck your soul by your dick
>everyone is batshit insane
>your enforcer kicks you for the lulz
>you cant even play cards with the m8
>you cant even peek on the guardswomen becasue the chaos ones have tentacles growing out of thier cunts
>your dick will never feel the same after that time
>the enforcer took your classy commissar hat and he is now wearing it
>everything is worse
>also the food is somehow shittier
Renegades were a mistake

Well, what if the imperium just leaves you to die? Lets say you are a guard, doing some usual purgin and line holding, when some batshit crazy Inquisitor says that your whole company is corrupted and sends bolter bitches at you and your mates. What the fuck are you supposed to do? Also, dont forget that Lost and the Damned dont always just serve as meathshields for CSM, there have to be warbands of renegade guardsmen/cultists who are quite sucesful.

It is unfinished but here I give you Chaos India. A look at life under the Eight Stars.

Who is Mork?
Who is Gork?

Bump

Theys just supa orky!

you guys need to defect to the TAU.

I like playing them in the RTS because robots and long range are fun but golly gee does the autist in me hate that another race of mary sues, this time from weebo land, invaded the universe.