Is MTG back to trying to appease to an audience that don't buy their product either way...

Is MTG back to trying to appease to an audience that don't buy their product either way? Back in 1995 they removed all "satanic" images and names from the game in order to "clean it up" after pressure from parent interest group. A few years later, they brought demons back and nobody batted an eye. Now we have the removal of "cheesecake" art and characters from the game under the pressure of internet groups, and I cannot help but think it will be the same.

Same with silly statements like saying Narset is autistic to get brownie PR points.

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>Same with silly statements like saying Narset is autistic to get brownie PR points.
what

If Liliana went back to looking like this we would lose exactly zero players we wanted to keep around anyways.

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>Note for the curious: Nissa's art, by Jaime Jones, was slightly altered for the purposes of Duels' packaging and marketing, because the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) rejected the original art for use on packaging. They felt her outfit was a bit too revealing. We felt it was in-bounds for fantasy art on a "T for Teen" product, but we're not the ESRB, and that's the way it goes sometimes. So we had Jaime Jones tweak the piece to meet those standards for Duels. Nissa's original art will remain wherever her card appears—on her card in the Duels game, in Magic Online, and of course in booster packs of Zendikar.

There's no hidden agenda, except trying to sell their product as far as I can tell.

Honestly, i never noticed she had cleavage to begin with. Because all it is is a tiny brown and green smudge on a small picture.

What if she went back to looking like this? It's amusing how they've increasingly covered her up

Sometimes looking sexy is less about what you show and more about what you leave to the imagination. As a professional slut Liliana would know this.

what kind of people even run the ESRB

I'm not sure if your picture is supposed to be for or against that statement. I'm guessing against, since I find this pseudo-weeb style of art very unappealing.

Also, Liliana always struck me as kinda nouvau-riche. She wants to look "classy".

>there's no hidden agenda

I love it when SJWs try to play dumb.

Did the Narset thing ever actually come into play in anything resembling printed form? As card text or fiction?

americans.

The boxart for the video game was changed because the game was rated teen by the ERSB,
The card in that same video game itself has the cleavage.

I'm not playing dumb, you just suck at reading.
It's not WotC that made the decision. They explicitly said that it was requested by the rating board.

Liliana is a MISTRESS OF DISGUISE. Why wouldn't she change the way she looks when she's so good at it?

(Pick your favorite)

imgur.com/a/bqxBs

Dammit forgot link.

Narset is autistic and Alesha is transgender, you can't see it on cards, but it's i nthe story in order to cater to minorities.

It's not a hidden agenda if it's blatantly obvious, user. It's just an agenda.

>muh persecution

The Triumph of Ferocity disaster and the following whitewashing of Liliana's character until she's now just the quirky opinionated alt chick friend of the Gatewatch was fucking embarrassing. Liliana was a straight up bitch and villain in the first few blocks she was in and she was clearly not intended to have a redemption arc. Fuck WotC for not having the integrity to stick to their storyline.

At least we got Ob-Nixilis as a unabashed asshole and potentially recurring villain. He's more interesting than Liliana ever was.

And they desperately need recurring villains other than Nicol Bolas now that the main cast is essentially there for every block.

And that they killed off a potential recurring group literally as soon as they were reintroduced. If they kill off Bolas in Amonkhet I'll be extremely upset.

For some reason boob windows drive sjw nuts.

Short answer?

Who cares.

Long answer?

Who cares, it's not like they play magic anyways. I find it ironic that tumblr is the number one source of degenerate amateur pornography and boob censorship. It's almost like the internet is made up of tons of people and vocal minorities should be ignored or something.

Do you mean the Eldrazi? They had some conceptual problems as ongoing antagonists which enemy Planeswalkers don't have.

The agenda in this case being "make sure our game passes ESRB standards so that we can make money."

...wait, that doesn't sound like SJWing at all.

The idea that a woman would willingly accept her sexuality is disgusting to them.

Maybe planeswalker tits just make them feel inadequate.

>Liliana of the Grail
Nice!

Argyle is a fucking champ.

America is such a wonderfully weird place. Where else in the world is extended graphic violence and mutilation A-OK for children, but a bit of sideboob is verboten?

Pic related is PG. Not even PG-13. PG.

I really don't see why anyone cares, nobodies masturbating over a card anyway, and if they are then that's their fucking weird personal business.

This is why modern Veeky Forums is so shitty. Some butt bothered mongoloids literally scour the web for the other crazies out there so they can be upset about it for the sake of being upset.

wtf

Remember the time when Nissa was a south african rapper?

God fuck Die Antwoord

Right after she was hitler

What's the matter user, not a fan of your elf waifu being a mulatto?

No I just think they're talentless and that Yolandi Visser is ugly as fuck. I don't care for Nissa either way

Well, of course Ob was a villain.

He was male.

Dude, this is Veeky Forums, we have at least one guy with a tile fetish somewhere, not to mention the Ohiophile. Find out that someone masturbates to MTG card art is nearly inevitable.

But the Judge was a cartoon. The steamroller was his reveal scene of that. What was more unsettling was the concept of the slime that melting cartoons.

what's it like not having very specific taste?

Are you dumb? There's.No.Hidden.Agenda , it's very obvious which is the opposite of hidden, so no, there's no hidden agenda only an obvious one

Eew, disgusting. Also remember when she was an elf supremacist who ruined zendikar on her own volition?

>heroes are predominantly male
>arguably "main" hero Jace is male
>hurr femenists make evury male evil XD

>predominantly
As far as I know there's an even amount of males and female main heroes. Lately they have been increasing the amoung of females in nameless character cards though, if I remember correctly they proudly stated that in shadows of innistrad they made more "female" cards than "male" cards. I don't care about the act itself, I'm annoyed that they throw it to your face with "look how progressive we're, look!, srly, look!" in every article, is like with Beauty and the Beast, I assumed the guy was gay or affeminate in the old version and I moved along, but now they're using it as advertising move, that's what annoys me.

There are 2 male and 3 female members of the gatewatch, Ajani doesn't count and even if he did it would only make it even

You see the mistake you're making is that you're thinking "make the game less appealing to people who buy their products" and "advertise to people who don't buy the game".

When in reality all these decisions are weighed decisions where you take "players who will notice this miniscule change in the first place, then care enough to actually, in reality, for reals stop spending money on the game", which in this case might be as many as one (1) people, and then compare it to "people whose mothers won't buy them more packs of cards after seeing an elf with a titty window and/or something that looks like a demon circa 1995", which is quite possibly more than one people.

>"players who will notice this miniscule change in the first place, then care enough to actually, in reality, for reals stop spending money on the game"
Personal experience to take it as it's, but I never seen this happens to this day. I have several friends who bash on Mtg and other games due "pandering to manchildren, etc" and even with these changes they don't buy shit, I'm friends with 3 LGS's owners who told me their customers didn't increase in the slightless in 15 years and that the type of customer also didn't change, they told me though that everytime wotc makes public some "progressive move" they get a small increase in the sales from new costumers, but this drops again to normal sales because these new costumers don't stay long enough to play the game. So is maybe this what wotc is trying to get? small burst from time to time from a non lasting group?

No I think I'm going to stick with my first guess and assume it's for the same reason they got rid of the evil demons and pentacles in the 90's; because Little Timmy's mom saw a Diablo (or in this case a side-titty) and won't spend $3 on a pack whenever she goes to the grocery anymore.

It must be ancient history by now, but I must have missed it. Did people really have problem with triumph of ferocity's art?

No one who actually played the game did. A bunch of outside watchdog groups had a big tantrum about it and didn't understand the context of anything, all they saw was rape because that is all they have conditioned themselves to see.

I can't help but feel like losing the kind of player who would take personal insult at some cleavage being covered up in card art would be a net positive for the community as a whole.

I mean, the only reason you aren't pleased by the representation made with Narset having a cognitive-social disorder is because your autism prevents you from understanding even the simplest of social concepts.

spoken like a true autist

But we didn't know he was a cartoon until after we thought he was a pink smudge on the concrete.

Currently it looks like they are trying appeal to folks who like shitty mechanics. Oh, and blowing money on scratch tickets too.

>pseudo-weeb style

I would gladly welcome cheesecake back.

Are there any boobs in mtg that are bigger than Moriok Scavenger's?

Looks like JoJo (the singer, not the anime dude)

Big breasts are sexist and unrealistic. Prove me wrong

Kaladesh looks boring as fuck, that's all I care about honestly. They went so far to make it a politically correct, happy, intellectual fantasy India that it lost any hope of being a cool plane. MTG planes need exaggeration and silliness to be cool, Kaladesh was just this dull happy utopia. Not a single war elephant, turban, thugee strangler, kali-style statue or Temple of Doom reference in the art.

The average breast size is not a D, it's an A. D being the average is a fake news spread by anti-islamist trump supporters to try and oppress woman.

Same. People who get this assblasted over such minor cosmetic changes aren't going to be any fun to play with.

Fanservice still exists you blind faggot

>Talentless
Visser is a wierd looking dude (I didn't fucking stutter) with a wierd voice and their lyrics are dumb, but damn if that white boi can't spit.

Friendly reminder their background is in comedy and I'm not sure the whole thing isn't one elaborate joke

Will /pol/ ever recover?

>implying SJWs are what made them remove pentagrams
It doesn't matter to them who is backlashing, or if there's a good reason for it. Bad PR is bad PR, and avoiding it is the company's only agenda.
If you got a broad enough social movement to insist that swords were dangerous to show because it makes kids swing sticks around and hurt each other, artifacts will mechanically be identical while being labeled "Box of Courage" or something.

Do you not remember when literally every gun in a kid's cartoon was a laserbeam? There was a reason for that.

It's the reason they won't print art with violence against women anymore. Victims of violence have become like 95% male only.

This.
What people attribute to "SJWs" is really cold logic and money.
Looking bad is bad for getting money, no matter what the reason, and if you knew all the times shit changed in pop media to skirt even a hint of bad publicity, you'd hate everything, including yourself for probably being a part of one of the groups they were trying to be under the radar of.

>Bad PR is bad PR
Tell that to Rockstar Games

OP is like if you had a stupid friend that occasionally has some really smart insights, but then doesn't know what to do with said knowledge so he just says something profoundly retarded instead.

Rockstar is an anomaly, and look at what Hot Coffee did to them.

I didn't know Nissa even had exposed tits
The only way this would be a problem is if some SJW looked at the full art and said omg how problematic

>It's very important I protect my right thigh, and only my right thigh
>don't worry about how my couters are tied to anything and would make bending my elbow impossible

>The only way this would be a problem is if some SJW looked at the full art and said omg how problematic
Implying this happened, and it wasn't an in-house job reacting to some news or an unrelated incident.

Nothing? Trevor is the most psychopathic MC to date in their games

>also try not to notice how my handguard is misaligned with the blade, or that one quillon is longer than the other for no reason

>Ajani doesn't count
Why?

Tinkerbell's will give me nightmares

>Who cares, it's not like they play magic anyways.
That's the point you fucking idiot, why pander to a crowd of people who don't play the game.
Apperantly you can shape the culture just be being a complaining bitch.

>Nothing?
The Hot Coffee lawsuits cost them hundreds of millions, user, had them on the ESRB shitlist for years.
The reason Rockstar still goes with their content is they bring in the money to ignore the pr. Hell, it helped them usually, but most companies would have folded in their shoes.

>The esrb requires interracial sodomy, a dick girl who smiles at cock, lesbians and shitty liberal narratives woven into the plot
I actually wouldn't be surprised

>a dick girl who smiles at cock
I need this in my life and ass

>Big, natural breasts are sexy
I agree, but getting turned on is sexist

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erection=rape

the joke
your head

>Literally a dude with a female name
>Trans
>Art depicts a titless female(?)
Dude is either very feminine or they made that up on the spot after the art was done

>titless

You realize with that armor it would be very hard to see any sort of tits unless they were absolutely gigantic right?

Note the question mark

Yeah but that doesn't matter to rating. Woman opens up her shirt to reveal robot bits instead of bewbs is still PG. American ratings boards are very consistent and very lazy, which is what seems to piss off people who claim inconsistancy.
Such as this fine fellow. Here is the easy guy to American ratings.

Violence
G- Harm cannot be shown in a permanent or serious manner.
PG- Harm can be allowed in a serious manner but blood is not allowed outside of minor injuries a child might see in real life.
PG-13- Just about any amount of harm is allowed but blood must be kept to a minimum. Inhuman colorings of blood, such as green or black, increase how much blood is acceptable but still must be within reasonable limits. No gore is allowed. This taken to its most ridiculous extreme in the latest Kong film which was rated PG-13 despite a man being impaled to death through the mouth but as there is no blood or gore shown it's still PG-13.
R- Excessive amounts of blood and/or any real gore gets you an automatic R rating.
NC 17- Given out for extensive or extreme gore. Almost never given out due to the amount of money required to make that level of gore effects combined with the market interest being very small. Only the SAW and Hostel movies were even threatened with it in recent years.

Sex/nudity
G- Nothing can be implied beyond "X likes Y"
PG- sex can be mentioned but not shown
PG-13-partial nudity and genitals obscured sex allowed. Discussion of sex must still be general without reference to interaction of specific body parts.
R- Full nudity okay as is unobstructed sex. The only thing disallowed is visible penetration.
NC-17- As said before only really visible penetration gets you bumped up here. Rarely given out because at that point why make porn without bothering with the MPAA.

This all comes down to the MPAA ratings members being salaried not hourly. So they just stamp the movie basically on autopilot to go home as quick as possible.

Real interesting shit about the American ESRB:
>The group is purely anonymous, no one knows who they really are by name.
>Prying by individuals has confirmed that they are mostly conservative, mostly female, and mostly christian.
>The group is held to very little "Standard" meaning the American rating system is purely subjective.

tad/pol/es are in a constant state pf assblast... so never.

>R- Full nudity okay as is unobstructed sex. The only thing disallowed is visible penetration.
Reminds me of my thoughts during Logan where Random Nameless Bridesmaid flashes him for maybe 1.5 seconds. i was literally going "That was entirely out of place and gratuitous. Was that literally just to make sure they got the R rating? As if they weren't sure the copious gore would do it?"

>>Trans

How would a tranny even exist outside of present day or a future setting? They literally need to pump in hormones which their body does not produce. I suppose they could do the genital mutilation thing without modern medicine.. but that's not going to look pretty.

Or is this just a "it's magic lol, I don't gotta explain shit" thing?

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what pissed me off was that it wasn't even particularly nice tits.

But user, everything I don't like is SJW. That's how it works.