Proper Orcs, Goblins, Hobgoblins

No Pozfinder, no anime, only proper Tolkienesque/Warhammer greenskins, brownskins, greyskins, orangeskins, and so on.

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Warhammer orcs and tolkienesque orcs are at complete opposite ends of the spectrum. Also, I think there are a few anime that do goblins/orcs well, like Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash.

>pozfinder
is every thread /pol/itical bullshit now? I thought Veeky Forums was mostly safe from this kind of faggotry

>opposite ends of the spectrum

True, but they're the only ones that do orcs n' gobs justice, aside from WotC.

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What's wrong with Pathfinder orcs?

In his defense Pathfinder is a disease, have you seen their op images

shut up and post good orcs

Pathfinder orcs look too human and have a "Warcraft" style appearance that makes them look out of place in grittier or lower-fantasy settings.

Pathfinder goblins are interesting in terms of lore and personality but abhorrently shit in terms of design.

>Pathfinder orcs look too human and have a "Warcraft" style appearance that makes them look out of place in grittier or lower-fantasy settings.

But Warcraft orcs are awesome, user.

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I won't disagree, but something like picrelated fit more into a medieval fantasy than Warcraft orcs do.

>he may have ruined the lore, but damn did he make the orcs look good

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WOW.

Fuuuuuuuck your wrong opinion. Every single word you said. Didn't know opinions could actually be wrong until this point in my life.

>but something like picrelated fit more into a medieval fantasy than Warcraft orcs do.

Ehh, I suppose. I much prefer the Conan-esque orcs of Warcraft over Tolkien's.

>grittier or lower-fantasy settings.
>Pathfinder

You are in the WRONG setting, user. Take a look at Pic. See where is says "Magical robots from space"? They aren't kidding. There is a crashed space ship there with all kinds of crazy tech. See Steampunk land? Yes it's really steampunk land. The Nazi area? CASUALLY summon devils on a daily basis to help form running the government to going to the store. See "The God rock" It's a rock that turns you into gods.

Pathfinder isn't here for
>only proper Tolkienesque/Warhammer greenskins, brownskins, greyskins, orangeskins, and so on.
AND not here for generic settings like D&D use to. Pathfinder is here to support their own personal world of Golarion. That's the game. If you aren't into that, time to move onto 5th.

You like the tiny-bodied huge-headed look? Really? I don't understand. Why?

>wrong opinion

>mom said it was my turn to be a goblin

No one's saying don't play Pathfinder. They can have their own designs, cool, but don't get mad if people don't like them.

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>No one's saying don't play Pathfinder. They can have their own designs, cool, but don't get mad if people don't like them.
Yeah exactly. Don't push a non-pathfinder style on pathfinder user. Instead play something else instead of posting about it.

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The other thread only has Pathfinder and hentaigoblin art, which is why I asked not to post it.

Ooooooh. My bad, your post just comes off as complaining. Better wording next time OP.

Have a super nontraditional Orc.

I think that boarmen can be done nicely. Your pic is not how I would want it, though. I prefer something more like pic related.

>tfw Zelda is the only place that still gives pOrcs love

WoW and Pathfinder made me want to go back to using pOrcs so that Orcs were unquestionably monsters and not "African/Aboriginal Warlord" proxies, but everyone thinks I just putting Ganon into my campaigns.

boarmen are neat, but I kind of feel like they should be their own class of monster

The only problem is that they'd still basically be utilized as something between orcs and gnolls if they were another race.

I ended up explaining pOrcs as being Orcs that worship Orcus and were twisted in his image.

but not yours, apparently

They might as well just be Humans with a palette swap.

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That just means /pfg/ is a disease. Sadly not a terminal one, because those cock gobblers have been posting softcore porn in the OP for fucking months. And they make a new thread when the old one is barely in autosage. I wish they'd fucking die.

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>fuckers
It's one troll the mods won't fucking deal with, and we're fucking tired of fucking dealing with and posts a new thread with a bullshit image(and usually a troll question, but that actually made mods do something so he stopped) before anyone else can.

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What does art style have to do with the system itself. The game doesn't magically become not functional because you use non Wayne Renolds art.
>Pathfinder is here to support their own personal world of Golarion. That's the game. If you aren't into that, time to move onto 5th.
What? There are no real setting specific mechanics in Pathfinder beyond a few prestige classes and feats. It's not a setting specific system

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I think this sort of Tolkien look is actually really cool, but describing it to my players would just make it seem like I'm hacking on Tolkien too much.

I do see potential in combining these; maybe do something a bit like the Falmer from Elder Scrolls? Underdark residents?

I liked Blizzard Orcs before they became massive faggots.

I don't see a problem with using him as inspiration too much. Whether players like or dislike his work, everyone has to accept that Tolkien had a huge impact on the "fantasy RPG worlds" that we play in. It's hard to do anything WITHOUT borrowing from Tolkien.

I prefer them a bit more human-like, but pig orcs are great. With how similar pigs and humans supposedly are you can believe them being able to bare offspring as well.

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nice thread

Neither Pathfinder nor anime, right? This should be good then.

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DnD is just as bonkers though

This is some cringey shit, son. I like your style.

>Not liking superior pig-orcs.

Wait... Is that pic official?
Since when did Warcraft actually spit out something kinda cool?
Where are all the huge pauldrons?
Actual blood?
That atmosphere!

Well... Warcraft orcs look pretty good, except the "heroic" proportions, but man are they a bunch of faggots. It all went downhill from WC3.

40k orcs are best orcs.

What colour is best for Orcs? Green, grey or brownish? Or should they be a mish-mash of different hues?

Further, are Orcs best when solo, or when combined with hobgoblins, goblins and the like?

I'm trying to create a fantasy setting in its equivalent of the late 18th or early 19th century you see and I figure Orcs are so much more interesting when they aren't just Vikings/Huns/Vandals crossed with Conan.

Best goblins coming through!

BEST

Grey to flesh tones. Not into green unless it's warhammer.

Green or grey, green in forests/jungles, grey underground or in mountains.
Orcs work best solo, and I like to see them as a sorta 'Hero' race- there aren't many of them, but they're tough as balls, cunning and brave compared to weak but efficient Hobgoblins or the cowardly and dim Goblins. They usually serve as an evil army's elite bodyguards or are the leaders.
Any warrior based culture works well for Orcs, as do xenophobic ones. I tried using communist racist orcs in a setting once.

>Orcs work best solo, and I like to see them as a sorta 'Hero' race- there aren't many of them, but they're tough as balls, cunning and brave compared to weak but efficient Hobgoblins or the cowardly and dim Goblins
This is how Discworld orcs are isn't it? they were artificially created supersoldiers for some evil army and as such are highly intelligent (especially where strategy is concerned), extremely strong and fast and very very hard to kill

I also happen to like pig orcs. But the trouble is if you already have a setting with one or more beastmen races, it kind of ruins it to have all these extra pig people running around.

Not so sure I'm a fan of pOrcs. It's just not a look I find terribly interesting; it just seems so dated these days.

Grey does seem like a better idea though. I have to wonder what really deliniates hobgoblins and Orcs though. Just size? Intelligence?

I definitely think I'mma have goblins as annoying little pests, rather than the cunning, smart ones. I'll leave that to their larger cousins.

Hey, in a world of developing nation-states and advancing technology, what'd be the most likely way for the Orcs to organise themselves? The classic system of warchiefs is one thing, but it doesn't really fit a group that's a credible threat to the rest of the world (imagine Orcs with a Prussian-style military tradition. Now that's terrifying). I doubt they're egalitarian enough for a republic, but given their numbers and tendency to organise on strength, would an emperor or dictator really work?

Also: Jesus fuck, I thought finding pictures of redcoat Elves was hard. There is NOTHING out there of musket-toting Orcs in an Imperial or Napoleonic style!

Mine were (mostly) grey first when they were first artificially created, but the green ones easily outbred the grey ones when they were unleashed in the wild. Green color was simply more benefical for a hunter species in a forest environment.

They always work best solo. If you're gonna have hogboblins, goblins, etc. make them relatively unrelated.

>I doubt they're egalitarian enough for a republic

Why? In most systems orcs lack sophisticated power hierarchies, that's pretty close to an egalitarian society. Primitivism is not at odds with egalitarism, quite the opposite actually.

Does Discworld even have orcs?
I recall goblins, but nothing about orcs
Do you perhaps remember which book?

>proper
>warhammer

Holy shit, you are one dumb faggot.

Really? In most of the settings I've seen, the Orcs are lead by the biggest and most fighty warchief, which is determined by single combat with a varying degree of ceremony.

Plus, the setting would be after the traditional medieval stasis that most fantasy takes place in. To remain a credible threat, the Orcs would have to modernise, including their hierarchy.

Maybe a restricted council would work? Or a military high command or something? Any examples I could draw from?

why not , sometimes a big evil race that allows for a no quarter approach when it comes to the good guys is just what a setting needs

it's from Unseen Academicals, the main character is an orc

You are not allowed to post on Veeky Forums if you are underage, user.

My setting has Goblins not as another subspecies of Goblinoid, but actually the same as Hobgoblins, except that they're the tiny, awful runts of the species.

Tiny goblins are born runty and numerous. One in every three children born from a Hobgoblin is a Goblin. All children born from Goblins are Goblins.

Hobgoblins are better nurtured than their tiny little siblings, so they grow up to be bigger, stronger, and more intelligent. Some anthropologists debate what would happen if you raised a Goblin child with the same nourishment and attention as was given a Hobgoblin child.

The same applies to Bugbears, as they have their own Goblin runts to abuse.

Ah, that's right
But he's not a 'supersoldier', so was wrong

'the only [orc] we've met so far in the entire canon is Mr Nutt, who is the protagonist of Unseen Academicals'
'He is intelligent, well-read and capable of feats of love and poetry'

I think orcs being rules by a council of elders could work well. Like when they become too old to be warriors they join the Elders and have a role in running the orc society as a whole. Wouldn't work for a large organized population but it makes more sense than having the guy with the biggest muscles in charge

>'He is intelligent, well-read and capable of feats of love and poetry'
he also comments on how easy it would be for him to rip another character's head off and basically heals from the brink of death

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I like the Fawn from Iron Kingdoms (the warmachine/hordes setting).

The only good orcs are either Tolkien or Warhammer. Wizards does them well too but they're basically a mix of Tolkien and Warhammer so it doesn't count.

Pathfinder, new-Blizzard, and most other fantasy fiction fucks them up horribly.

In a similar setting I'm working on, only a few nations are getting technologically advanced thanks to the spreading work of a crazy and likely senile alchemical engineer. So much of the continent is still wilderness and many parts are medieval in tech level. The Orcs in the wilds are mostly disorganized, basically savages in a Victorian era, but the main threat comes from the Orcs working for the BBEG Dark Lord.

While they can work solo, it's also a very good idea to use them as a unified horde/group, usually in service of either a chieftain, a demon, or a full-on dark lord. That's proper Tolkien, and it's what players expect and want. Feel free to shake it up, but you can't go wrong with the basics.

Basically Black Uruks of Mordor? Speaking of which, Black Uruks of Mordor are fucking terrifying, not only in looks but the books.

I'm curious what pathfinder actually does with them. I figured they were just DnD-esque

Might as well call them Oinks then.

Pathfinder is actually a little better with Orcs and its Hobgoblins are actually better than DnD's, but it's the Goblins they severely fuck up on. It kills the idea of any kind of Orc-Goblin horde when your Orcs look fine and your Goblins look like something an unpaid 3-day-experienced intern designed after getting told he'd be fired anyway so he tried his best to fuck it up. Pathfinder's Half-orcs are pretty abysmal though. Orcs of any kind should never be "attractive", they should never have "appealing" features, like swarthy bodies and long, flowing black hair. It makes them look like something out of a manga or a Korean MMO and it's dumb. Luckily most of Pathfinder's Orcs and Hobgoblins look correct.

So it's purely just looks? I don't mind that pf gobs look like deformed cabbage patch kids. It's a different flavor of gob, but still recognizably gobbish

Not very gobbish unfortunately. More like deformed cabbage patch kids with psychotic tendencies.

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Mischievous troublemaker is a very folktale depiction. It's no less wrong for goblins.

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I think you can have traditionally attractive features if you use them to highlight the orc's savagery.

Plus I like female orcs.

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>The only good orcs are either Tolkien
Stop here and drop the either part and it's ok

>It's okay because it's my fetish
It's okay, it's mine too