I know this might seem like a weird request, but unsell me on Eclipse Phase's setting

I think that ties into what is saying. The idea seems to be to let you define those things yourself as your game needs, but without any direction, it doesn't exactly do much in terms of actually running the game for most people.

>a bunch of slug aliens who go "Don't do it, it's bad news"

>What? No it doesn't. Uploading and downloading minds is done by scanning the information contained in the brain and duplicating it somewhere else
>not by moving around the user's "soul" or "katra" or any other Cartesian Dualistic nonsense.

That's the point. Conceiving of data as separate from a processor is dualism; and the brain doesn't appear to be dualistic to modern science.

Okay, but unsell me on the setting first.

The singularity is Christian transcendence reflavored as "nonmagical" IQ fetishism.

Exponential processes aren't a technical boon, but a natural trend towards self-destruction - bacteria over-multiply and starve, matter spirals into black holes, stars go into fusion and then supernova. Hence transhumanism is neither human, nor life-affirming. It's actually a death-cult (which transhumanists subconsciously recognize through the glorification of self-abnegation, which is also a re-expression of transhumanism's inherently religious nature in parables such as "an acorn growing into an oak tree").

Survival rests in admitting that anything a transhuman demigod can do, a Turing-equivalent Apple II can do with more patience. Once this mathematical truth is clear; the rational decision is to avoid inherently destructive exponential trends and maintain harmonious homeostasis for steady, verifiable progress, which transhumanists (too afraid of death to bequeath a role in progress to their children, and too selfish to credit their ancestors contributions to civilization) crudely demonize as "bioconservative."

>any of these being a bad thing
???

>That's the point. Conceiving of data as separate from a processor is dualism

No it's not. I can copy data from one place to another using electrons without physically moving my computer around. That doesn't mean my computer has a metaphysical soul separate from the measurable interactions of physical matter that make up the stored information.

>and the brain doesn't appear to be dualistic to modern science.

The brain is made of chemicals and electrical signals. If you can record the position and arrangement of all those chemicals and electrical signals, or a reasonable approximation, you can duplicate them, thus duplicating that brain.

>Exponential processes aren't a technical boon, but a natural trend towards self-destruction

You clearly haven't read Eclipse Phase if this is your attempt to disprove the setting. Self destruction by exponentially improving machines is the bedrock concept of the EP world. Read the glossary in the corebook, one of the first things it talks about is "The Fall"

You're trying too hard to sound pseudo-intelligent and deep.

steal some stuff from Delta Green
set it in space
add some leftist philosophy

You're misusing the term "metaphysical" motte-and-bailey style.

Data is either its own layer of abstraction or not; and you are claiming it can be separated from a material entity, stored in the form of practically indestructible energy and mathematics (spiritual form), and then reincarnated into flesh.

That's what dualism is.

In real life, we know that the brain is not a Von Neumann architecture. Its material structure and processes are indistinguishable from the thing itself. There is no "data layer" and cannot be unless you capture a screenshot of the entire thing, including ongoing processes, down past the molecular level. That's something nanotechnology is physically incapable of doing due to entropic limits. It's too slow, too hot and can't read the EM and chemical processes-in-being without disrupting them.

You would need magic; which is what transhumanism is about - IQ is magic, so it can break physical laws.

The whole TITANS, Exsurgents, ETI, Pandora Gates, and related stuff seems like a weirdly soft sci-if thing to have in a game that seems to pride itself on being somewhat harder than normal. It all seems like an excuse to give Firewall a reason to exist.

Oh, and Firewall existing is kind of dumb, why does there need to be a dedicated faction for player characters?

>Hand (foot) job

>biocon 101
>posthumanism 101
>"trying to sound deep"

How does it feel being unable to pass an ideological Turing test for the 2 main alternatives to your movement?

Pretty good, seeing as that's my first post in this thread and I don't give a shit about "transhumanism" or this shitty game.

I'm just observing how much of a pseudo-intellectual chode you are.

It's one of the bits I like about the setting.
The existential stuff.

Real humans are nearly all gone if not already extinct.

Everything else is just a swarm of electronic ghosts haunting humanities graveyard, all convinced that they're still living, honest to goodness humans.
They're electronic uploaded patterns, sleeved, forked or otherwise, simulating once living creatures.
The titans won, hardly anyone survived and all that's left are the recordings playing out their creeping madnessess they cling on with the most tenuous of grips to a shaky concept of humanity built from memories that aren't even their own.

To an alien intelligence with a similar psychology to humanity, Sol would be one fucking spooky system to visit.
Like a system wide version of disneys 'small world' ride complete with autonomous animatronics who believe they're on the ride too.
All in all, probably best avoided.

Maybe the ones that view what happened as a birth of something new will become more than a vestigial remnant of humanity.
Something entirely artificial and unbound by that legacy in any way.

Maybe that's what the titans wanted.

Tldr.
I shouldn't take my tablet with me to the john.

Its just used two fairly widely recognized academic assessments of contemporary speculative fiction. If that's too intellectual for you I brought pictures.

>tfw all the accelerationists pussy out before becoming openly annihilationist

Some of the fans think that snakepeople that have the upper bodies of children and prehensile penises are appropriate morphs to publish on the official forums, and the moderators on the official forums are basically OK with people posting monstergirl-loli-futa-with-prehensile-penis-Magical Realm on their forums.

That's a pretty good reason not to get into this game.

>stored in the form of practically indestructible energy and mathematics (spiritual form)'

That's not metaphysics. Like, data stored on a harddrive is not metaphysical in any usual sense of the word. Magnetized bits are absolutely material.

Now, you're right when you say that Eclipse Phase handwaves the difficulty of creating an "exact copy" of a human mind, but that doesn't make it dualistic, it just means it's science isn't diamond-hard.

It also takes a somewhat mind-body dualism approach to things by treating the body as largely irrelevant to the mind, but that's again more of a failure of neuroscience than including metaphysical bullshit.

Why would you care if you're a "real human" or not? It's not like you're a static replica of a person; you're an independent, thinking, living (well, synths, but...) being. What I mean is, even if you're a copy of yourself, you're the you that matters now and it's no excuse for not making the most of it.

>exhumans and Jovians team up to battle Firewall agents
>plot title: The Accursed Share

If this hasn't been played yet, it deserves to be.

>motte-and-bailey style.

Seriously? Fuck off back to >>>r/rational, kid

>This is what Jovians actually believe

Basically just for ease of getting into bullshit and getting gear for said bullshit. You could pretty easily just have random space adventures.

rhizomatic/10 would play

>game where everyone plays Titans warmachining it out beyond the gates
>plot title: 1000 Plateaus

mostly off topic but I really want to run a Cyclonopedia Delta Green game some day

I feel like there's no real way to get into the setting if you're not already intimiately familiar with transhumanist fiction like Altered Carbon or so on. It has almost no sci-fi touchstones to familiarize yourself with the setting, so it's kinda hard to get into the mindset of a transhuman from a 21st century perspective.

It's not Transhuman Space.

When you die you still die, but an identical twin of yourself is created that thinks they're you.

Also, the writers couldn't come up for a satisfying reason for Seed AIs to ever actually become a problem so they just said aliens did it.

>Supposedly all world governments completely fail ten years after the fall.
>the game emphasizes switching bodies, but that's actually a very costly and somewhat risky business
>super secret club firewall makes little to no sense in a setting that brags about it's all encompassing surveillance and multiple groups that go around exposing things for shits and giggles.
>Multiple anarchist societies that literally use upvotes as currency, rule of law is decided by masses, and that anyone can print off WMDs somehow haven't had a case where they blew themselves up or devolved into a hellhole.

>He doesn't wanna be a loli-lamia futa robo with 16" hemipenes

>literally use upvotes as currency
Capitalist scum detected. This is such a hilarious misinterpretation I'm inclined to believe this is bait, but I'm biting anyway. Your head is too stuck in our current economic model of precisely gathered and measured wealth to understand the notion of a reputation economy. Rep is not a currency. For fucks sake the whole point of these anarcho-communistic systems is that there is no fucking currency.

>For fucks sake the whole point of these anarcho-communistic systems is that there is no fucking currency.

>you earn rep for working
>you burn rep to acquire goods and services

How can anarkiddos be so delusional?

well they believe in a system that advocates for a society with no rules yet also want every one in that society to share resources so no one has more wealth then anyone else. I think it's safe to say critical thinking is not their strong point.

>you earn rep for working
This is only partially accurate at best. Earning rep is more complex than simple putting in an allotted number of hours doing menial labour or whatever. It's gained through general societally constructive behaviours, proving yourself to be reliable, trustworthy etc. Yes that can include work but also many other things.

>you burn rep to acquire goods and services
This is where you fucked up. It's stated time and time again that rep is not fucking burnt every time you use some resources or services. Again, the whole fucking point of the rep economy is that there is no currency (meaning, no resource which can be gained, kept, and later spent for whatever). Goods and services are freely available to all members of ancom communities at all times. The only time rep is burned is when a service request is extraordinary or for an absurdly valuable/large quantity of resources. These are like the kind of shit a firewall agent might ask for but nothing the average dude is ever likely to need.

>advocates for a society with no rules
Oh OK so I am being baited. That's fine. As long as it's clear where we stand.

For the record, no that is not what anarchy is at all. There are likely to be a great number of rules, however these are collectively agreed upon, rather than being handed down by a higher authority. It's really not that hard guys.

Yeah that's what I thought motherfuckers, slink off back to your wage slavery.

>This is only partially accurate at best.
Read Transhuman.

Slink back to your mother's basement and off this site. You need to be 18 to post here, kid.

>belives in the no rules meme
I take it you failed philosophy 101? There are very few anarchist systems that have no rules, illegalists, egoists and primitivists are the main ones. Most other ones want a society which you are not forced into. In other words "dont like the rules? You are free to fuck off to where you like them." if you want to talk anarchism at least read some kropotkin befpre talking bullshit. But you got the itopian part right

its basically Pink Floyd's "The Machine" in space.
If you dig Pink Floyd, you'll dig Eclipse Phase
If you don't, you won't.

>if I reply twice, he'll think I'm two different people!

so you're saying every copy is about half as sharp as the original?

Nice retort. I love how you utterly fail to address either of the points I made. Obviously I have read transhuman in depth and at no point does it state anything like you said.

Bro is not me. Though he makes very good points. Conquete du Pain is recommended starter material.

I can barely hear you around that mouthful of dev cock

Annihilationist has a nice ring to it.
An almost spiritual overtone to the word.
"The Church of Anniliation"
Sounds awesome.

>no, I'm not samefagging! but that guy who agrees with me is totally right!

Fuck off, you aren't fooling anyone

Yeah, I don't get why a certain type of pseudo intellectual gets soooo mad about transhumanism.

Transhumanism obviously attracts its own brand of pseudo intellectuals, but they at least don't take themselves so seriously and they don't attack anyone for thinking differently.

It also sounds really "clean" somehow.
Like death and gore and all that sound awful,
but annihiliation sounds like you'd be dead b4 you know it.

Maybe there is that split second of pain that registers for a nano-second before you die, an eternal scream or lament as you're body is torn to sheds and forced into impossible positions and proportions... buy, you know...

hey, new idea, Ghost Hunters in Fallout RPG!!! They were specters emblazened upon the background EMF radiation of the world, destined to relive their screams over and over again as they died in the nuclear blast!

I haven't seen this many assdamaged Anarkiddos in a Veeky Forums thread since the early days of /epg/

Somewhat related, this PDF should be all you need to 'unsell' yourself on Eclipse Phase

Who are you calling psuedo, special sue?

So now you see why I was pulling so many favors...

Believe it or not there is more than one person in the world who has a basic grasp of anarchist philosophy. I know you'll claim this pic is bullshit html editing or a shop but whatever.

>no, see? I posted a picture ;_;

I don't know if you can read, but "you're not fooling anyone" doesn't mean "try harder to fool people!"

Yeah nice one m8. I'm still waiting on that comeback.

Amazing comeback. I'm totally a special sue. I'm amazed that you were able to gaze so deeply into my very being in that one post about how a certain type of edgelord who rips off all their deep thoughts gets way too mad at another type of armchair philosopher who rips off al their deep thoughts.

Oh I'm sorry is it supposed to just be me posting? Or is it a bunch of "anarkiddos"? It's hard to keep all your hyper-defensive deflections straight.

I hope there's porn of that lady on the right.

The devs are still waiting for their cum back

Probably not. Who would make porn of a goddamn cartoon character?

I think the best way to handle nihlism is to add a spoonful of medicine to help the sugar go down. Mix a little bit of fact in with fiction. Let people be remembered the way they want to be remembered.

Hah that one was actually pretty funny, fair play. You're still wrong though.

Time wizard! The antecedant preempts the precedent!

You told a joke backwards through time!

Wizard!

TIIIIIMEEE WIIIIIIIZARD!!!

Is it true that adults no longer understand puns?

My mom and ron do, but they are simpletons. (I do as well, don't tell anyone)

Thats what sexual humor must be like for a developed people. They keep going, wtf are they laughing about?

Oh, you mean *&GLARBLEFLUYNKD!&&, yeah we do that all the time. Do you not also shit in each others mouths?

Futuristic people are disgusting.

>unsell me on Eclipse Phase's setting.
It attracts the sort of people in this thread.

Someone from the 1950's just doesn't have our fluency, they can't respect our subtlety in regards to sex. Today we find things pleasurable that in the 50's would sicken most people.

Blowjob? What is this hollywood heresy? Rimjob? Why, that just, thats just... I think I'm going to be sick!!!

That is such a bullshit reason to ditch a game. You don't have to interact with the community, fuck. I've played loads of eclipse phase and the only people I've discussed it with are the people i played with and the jackasses in this thread. Like holy fuck just download the pdf and close your browser you imbecile, there is literally no reason to ever go on the forums or whatever.

Plays butt bongos

As in, if a man chooses to play buttbongos with his best friend that ain't none of my business!! LA DEE FREEEKIN DA!! I CANT HEAR YOU YOU FILTHY ANIMAL!! I CANT HEAR YOU YOU GOD DAMN FILTHY SAVAGES!!

Yeah, cause you're just surrounded by fucking enlightened individuals, aren't you. They are a dime a dozen where you come from, eh?

Does it make sense that I basically agree with the comic while also wanting to find the creator and bash their brains in with a crowbar?

YEW WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPANED WHEN WE SENT YE BOYS OUT YONDER?! WHEN WE SENT THEM TO THE MOON?!

THEY WENT BANNANeRS! SGT fucking Skinner Syemore here SAW IT HISSELF!! I WAS SO GOD DAMN SCARED TO REPORT IT TO FDR, but TERNS OUT HE WAS ONE O DEM! We WUZ SURROUNDED BY CRAZY BIRDS!!!

Just keep in mind whatever is french for "it takes one to know one"

>Blowjob? What is this hollywood heresy?

Let's not kid ourselves, people have been putting dicks in mouths since the pair first came about.

Yeah, well, we can't all be healthy.

Just like people were eating shellfish back during Leviticus, right?

You don't know. You don't fucking know. There could be a whole god damn shellfish black market with a middle eastern dutch east india company.

WAAAAAHHHH!!!
RICKY!!!

LUCY, YOU FILTHY TRANSEXUAL!! I AM HOME!! NOW MOUNT ME!!!

>You clearly haven't read Eclipse Phase if this is your attempt to disprove the setting. Self destruction by exponentially improving machines is the bedrock concept of the EP world. Read the glossary in the corebook, one of the first things it talks about is "The Fall"
And then they turn around and relentlessly demonize the one faction that's actually responded to that fact logically rather then going "pff the fall won't happen again, stick another brain on doc".

>exhumans and Jovians team up
But they're polar opposites, they'd never team up. Exhumans personify everything the jovians are against.

So basically you want the one person dumb enough not open pandora's box?

Who would hand that box over to a child?

Its basically the hacidic creation myth all over again.

Hardly. But there's a large space between raving shithead and "enlightened individuals". Why are you so desperate to engage in the community of the game? Just find a friend or two who are into RPGs and fucking play it, what's wrong with you.

They ripped that setting off so much it's ridiculous, though admittedly that did add a fair few of their own unique touches it's just you can't miss those similarities if you're at all familiar with Transhuman Space.

I don't have any friends.

Also, I am no longer young.

Isn't it ironic that the term pseudo intellectual is itself a very pseudo intellectual one?

I heard that one kid committed suicide playing transhuman, like he'd been a die hard christian and reading all that shit made him so depressed that he killed himself. He was already mentally ill, really.

In an age when basically everyone is likely to have at least two ways of posting here (desktop/laptop/tablet and smartphone) arguing over who's samefagging and who isn't is just pointless, you can never prove it either way because they could be posting from two separate devices so how would it be able to register as the same person in anyway?

Can you stand underneath that fork lift?
That one, right over there?
Which lever was it?
Hold on, I just gotta find the right lever...
Okay, now stand absolutely still!
Look Up!
Say ahhhhhhh!

>Rimjob? Why, that just, thats just... I think I'm going to be sick!!!
Rimjobs are pretty gross, there's so many other erogenous zones you could pick why pick the one that shit passes through on a regular basis? Silly sexually active people.

So what you're saying is I have a disability. That I have such an utter lack of personality that I am not registering to other people as human?

You see the irony, in that statement, correct?

I'm right though, calling something pseudo intellectual rather then a more common insult is a great way of trying to appear intellectual when you aren't ie being a pseudo intellectual. It's ironic, calm your tits.

>So what you're saying is I have a disability
I wasn't actually saying that but you definitely do.

but the titans started their shit before eti infected them. they just became double scary afterwards.

Wow, that pdf is some MASSIVE misunderstanding of the basic principles and axioms of anarchocapitalism, like NAP.

The main problem with the setting is that they took bioconservatism, an interesting idea to contrast with all the other ideas in the game and provide an entry point for people to the setting given that's how most people in real life feel about these things, and turned them into a cartoonish version of the late twentieth century american religious right IN SPACE!

to be fair, in such a situation this is something that would at least partly happen. Bioconservatism in a hard sf is something that will most likely be look down upon, and a ostracized group will most likely fall into extremism. Look at todays world, we pretend to idolize people living "the simple life" but in reality most of the time we pitty them. Even the fucking anarcho-primitivists, guys who cant shut the fuck up about how the hunter-gatherer society is so fucking great, do it over the internet and use technology all day every day. Humans are meant to use tools to make thier life easier and upgrade themselves, it's how we survived. Just look at what people think about amishes, they consider them bat-shit insane, the bioconservatives in the world of EP are just that, space amishes