Maybe that explains the alternate history of Shadowrun. You know what would be cool? A shadowrun flash back using their alternate history.
Maybe they think we are racist, because they were like, "Fuck yeah, we want air conditioning! You ever try living in a mud hut in 120 degree weather trying not to pass out and die from the heat of the sun?"
alternatively, we could make this a filename thread.
Nothing from youth is so sacred that it can't be ruined by turning middle age.
Am I allowed to post here while stoned?
My stream of consciousness discussions may stray off topic.
>What if Indians thought technology was a good thing?
If you're referring to New World Indians, you're fucking retarded, because they immediately recognized the incredible value of things like iron tools, horses, and crossbows/muskets, and went through considerable effort to get them from European colonists.
In fact, the only reason the Pilgrims were not immediately slaughtered to a man was because Tiskquantum and the other tribal leaders in New England wanted their guns, iron axes and plows, and horses, and wanted them fuckin badly. As such, they allowed them to stick around (so long as they knew their place, and would quite violently and genocidally remind them of it when they overstepped) was to get access to their goods and to hire the English and Scottish as mercenaries to fight in their own wars (who happily obliged, because mercs got fed, and so many people died of starvation in New England that they would literally open graves and eat the dead, both Native and English).
That's not even getting into the Plains Indians, who literally built their entire society on "Take the good shit from the White Man and then use them better than he did."
Ameri-Indians really need to be a thing again. It was funny because it were the two most offensive terms to the native peoples.
You should really just call the them the native peoples. They don't take offense to it. I once heard an Indian say he would rather be called an indian than a native american. Being called an indian was offensive, but being named after what somebody had named your continent without your input or consent was far more offensive.
It was like if aliens planted a flag on planet earth and did a live broadcast on television, (Reading off of cue card) People of Earth! Greetings! You are now part of the Republic of Mars! You, the people of ... Earth? Earth? That a dumb name. From now on we are calling you Apeville. Anyway, we are going to set up this enourmous drill that will begin to siphon off your earths molten core to power our spaceships. Don't worry, you will be compensated for the homes and businesses destroyed in the process. Anywho, we cool bro? Okay, thanks bye!"
Dude, this is shadowrun, not world history class. Contemporary History Histrionics is about the exaggerated mythos of contemporary historical figures and how sometimes events are misinterpreted or taken out of context.
Get with times, grandpa.
5 minutes later
I think that went rather well actually. Yes, easier than I thought it would be, the people were real friendly. (Nuclear Missile careening towards them from earth in nearby window)
APEVILLIANS
UNITE!
You should never underestimate earthlings pure dumb luck. Also, somehow, their stupidity will always cause problems, no matter how careful you are, they are one of the dumbest species in the galaxy, but somehow they keep evading our deadliest plots.
We are like the Al-Kieda of the universe.
We are like, so god damn dumb that we can't help but occasionally be brilliant. You know that saying, "There is no such thing as idiot-proof" or when somebody says, "Its idiotproof!" and somebody else says, "Don't say that, its bad luck!"
I like this, a comedy about the invasion of the earth where the aliens are the protagonists. Thats so clever, we could probably get woody alan to play in it!
Like just once, don't you want woody alan to be in great big summer blockbuster?
Like we have all these idiotic parody movie stars who bumble around like gung ho idiots and keep winning through sheer dumb luck
And like the aliens don't follow any cliches, they kill prisoners as soon as the get them, they don't execute their commanding officers, or any of that crap, and people keep calling them out on it.
Like, "Aren't you supposed to leave us tied up or something?" or like, "Jeesus! You shot him! I thought you'd at least want to interrogate him, or something?!"
This would all make much more sense if you were all stoned.
>who happily obliged, because mercs got fed, and so many people died of starvation in New England that they would literally open graves and eat the dead, both Native and English
well thats no good. there will hardly be any meat on them by then...
Anyways, back to shadowrun...
Ideas for Campaign
>Indian Reservation hires runners to organize a 30 man raid on a goverment warehouse filled with MRI's that have been locked up inside due to bureaucratic red tape
>there will hardly be any meat on them by then...
Correct.
They were literally that hungry.
There were also multiple instances where men would kill pregnant women and eat both the woman and the fetuses, or wait for the woman to give birth and THEN eat the baby.
Turns out New England was a pretty fucking horrible place to be a colonist, especially since the Indians only gave out food when it was convenient for them and they thought you weren't a threat.
They'd also sneak into your homes into the middle of the night and kill everybody in the house, smashing infants against walls until they literally ruptured and died. Turns out eating the dead and stealing corn are things the Indians don't take too kindly to.
>Turns out eating the dead and stealing corn
well which was it?
i mean, sure, they are eating their own dead, but that OUR corn!
god, could you imagine a city so fucking grimderp that they would allow peasants to get so hungry that they resorted to eating their own dead, but were punished for it, despite the fat nobles having full turkey dinners and getting so fat they can't move from their dinner chair?
>god, could you imagine a city so fucking grimderp that they would allow peasants to get so hungry that they resorted to eating their own dead, but were punished for it, despite the fat nobles having full turkey dinners and getting so fat they can't move from their dinner chair?
You mean the Holodomor?
Mordhiem is down the street and to the left.
You can't prove that.
Those are only folktales and legends.
>Turns out New England was a pretty fucking horrible place to be a colonist, especially since the Indians only gave out food when it was convenient for them and they thought you weren't a threat.
Reminder that the British forced people to move there, knowing fully well that 90% of everyone they put on those ships would die.
The entirety of history can be called a collection of folktales and legends if you want to deny the facts hard enough.
How long till we get the Ministry of Truth, anyway?
>those wierdass weaklings arrive from the sea, dig up our graves to eat our dead, plunder the homes of people we know, eat our corn AND kill each other for sustenance
Anglos: Not even once.
We need to bring back the offensive american indian stereotypes and mock liberal criminal archetypes that made shadowrun great.
The whole thing started as a bit of conservative satire...
Or you could play it straight and have the indians playing the sort of techno-conservative party, they are all like old grampas who yell at you to get off their lawns and support 1960's conservatism. They watch shit like Andy Rooney and 60 minutes and still have an actual government and pensions
you don't believe me?
read 3rd edition.
>>Turns out eating the dead and stealing corn
>well which was it?
>i mean, sure, they are eating their own dead, but that OUR corn!
They stole corn when they could, but the Indians learned very, very quickly to keep a tight leash on food subsidies to keep the Anglos in line. As such, they only got corn when they played ball, and the Puritans did not play ball with anybody who wasn't a Puritan (fun fact: They would literally brand a giant "H" on the foreheads of Quaker colonists, for "Heretic," as well as clip their nostrils and earlobes or remove fingertips to easily denote their sub-human status).
The Anglos would also eat Indian dead that they could get their hands on.
This is part of the reason the Anglos would be friendly and complaint one year, then turn around and go full-blown REMOVE REDMAN the next when one of their number did something to piss of the Indians and would provoke retaliatory raids and executions from them.
The Indians basically "farmed" the Anglos for their goods and services, and the Anglos knew and hated this with every fiber of their being.
Oddly enough, there were many, many Indians leaders who believed exactly this, but the advantages of horses, guns, iron tools and weapons, and swords were so profound to them that they tolerated their presence in order to get them.
The biggest mistake the Indians as a collective entity made was assuming the Anglos could be bought and controlled. They could, temporarily, but never forgot it, and brought down all hell and fury upon New England when they finally grew in large enough numbers and health to actually cleanse the devil-kin that lived in the woods.
>Apache
>1492
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Alternate history in Shadowrun?
What do you mean?
Well, since 3rd edition started in the 90's and the setting was for 2020 or somewhere around there, Shadowrun has had an alternate history because things didn't develop the way they did in our world.
You had the Goblinization thing and the emergence of metahumans happenning by our current date, and the balkanization of the united states started by now as well.
>Reminder that the British forced people to move there, knowing fully well that 90% of everyone they put on those ships would die.
The Pilgrims, absolutely. While the Pilgrims weren't nice people by any definition of the term (see ) they were still pushed out at the point of a sword because they pissed off far too many people in Britain proper to be safe as a group.
Catholics were also shipped out in large numbers (especially to Lord Baltimores colony in Maryland) as well as Quakers (who were then in turn prosecuted by the Puritans in NE, and moved inward and southward towards Tidewater very quickly because of it).
Tidewater was actually settled largely by the third-son gentry of Old England, and their traditions basically sought to emulate the old English neo-feudal gentry system with themselves as the tops (The crescent moon of S. Carolina flag is actually a remnant of the heraldic symbol for "third son").
The South was settled by slave lords from Barbados who also sought to get out and make names for themselves when Barbados got too small.
Appalachia was settled by the group that would become known in the US as the "Scots-Irish," essentially brigands and outlaws from the lawless Scottish and Irish frontiers. They took no shit from anybody, especially themselves, and didn't so much rebel against the Crown in 1776 as they did go on a mass looting and pillaging spree to settle old scores by gunpoint, be they against Loyalist or Patriot.
But does that mean that they don't use technology now?
Do they not in Shadowrun?
>You ever try living in a mud hut in 120 degree weather trying not to pass out and die from the heat of the sun?
Ever been in building made of clay on a hot day? Comfy as fuck, without the need of fancy electronic stuff.
What made shadowrun great was that is was Neuromancer + dragons +magic+elfs,dorfs 'n orcs 'n shit
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