/exg/ - Exalted General

I'm betting Lunars get the Dissonant keyword for lots of stuff if they go Beast Mode, I recall quite a bit of dev talk about Lunars not being able to really use Artifacts well while in DBT.

So do I. I loved the idea of DBs being super good at evocations.

This is pretty early on in the new devs life cycle, I remember back in the beginning John and Holden were quite a bit more communicative, it was only after delays, rewrites, and leaks that they really started clamming up. As the devs they were the ones bearing the brunt of the fandom's ire for those periods, hard to say how Vance and Minton will respond but they do appear to be a bit more sociable and capable of interacting with people online without blowing up.

Hopefully it never gets as bad as it did a couple of years back, but if it does I hope Vance and Minton keep up this level of communication.

It was at one point an utter inability to use Evocations while in DBT. What it's been since then, I don't know.

The additions of Resonant and Dissonant may mean they maintain some level of power from their artifacts while hulking out, but we'll see.

I'd be happy enough with some errata actually applying that word to solars for a change

I suppose if they keep up a good rate of releases and don't blunder into easily avoided dramas, they'll stay good.

Giving Solars Dissonant?

only on one or two things, with everybody playing solars anyway it's a bit pointless otherwise

Basically. It does give me some hope that Vance seems much more open dev minded, taking some amount of direction from the fanbase.

Now if he can keep a cohesive image of his own in mind for the game while taking the technical critiques from the fans, that will be something.

Solars are the best at everything Solars can do. Nothing wrong with that.

People play Solars to have access to most of the cool toys, I'm not too upset about it. However Soulsteel would be the one MM I'd totally be fine them being normal or Dissonant towards.

What about Necromancy?

Well, at least Vance and Minton haven't tried to renegotiate their contract to make more money yet.

If Vitriol still exists, it'll probably cause everyone to lose the Resonant keyword when attuning to Vitriol treated artefacts.

If not make them flat out dissonant.

Well real life including jobs, illness and family always beckons - Morke had throat cancer back in 2013 for example.

Sorry for unrelated, but how would you fix the burning garbage that is the lunar tell system for a somewhat homebrewed 2.5e game?

I'd start by crying and regretting all of my life decisions that lead me here in order.

Then I'd tell Veeky Forums what the exact problem I am having with the Tell system is, since OH BOY, there is a lot wrong with Lunars in 2.5 and it is hard keeping track of all them.

How does it work in 2.5E again?

So, apparently Tomb of Dreams is out for backers. Has anyone seen it yet? What are your thoughts?

Anyone willing to upload it?

special snowflake mental attack that ignores most of the rules yet is also somehow absolute shit at actually doing what it's supposed to do.

it's "unexpected" which means it can only be resisted with mdv and any charms you had running by pure chance to boost it and if you don't see through it your player never knows their character was 'attacked'

but the mdv is only 6 which is trivial to have fresh out of chargen AND it can subtract 4 if you're trying to sneak past the wyld hunt so you walk into some random bar and literally everybody in the room instantly knows you're a lunar.

everybody was so scared of secret watermarks getting them sued we only even got 'miracles of the solar exalted' a week or two ago

We got Miracles of the Solar Exalted forever ago. It was never put in the OP because we never got the final version that had the missing charm. If you DO have that version, send it on to us.

I'd just fucking ignore it and say it only is evident in a beastial true form (ie: DBT, true animal form) and when using pereph essence.

Lunars have enough fucking problems already, they don't need their only special trick (shapeshifting) made even shittier by default.

It seems so weird to have an Exalted dev say something on a forum and for me to say, "Fuck yeah! That's awesome. I like it!"

>It seems so weird to have an Exalted dev say something on a forum

I know, right?

Any idea what'll be the Abyssals' answer to Solar Supernal Skills?

I think it has been hinted somewhere in that dev-asking thread that Abyssals are actually going to have Supernals as Solars do.

I still don't understand that.

If a player decided to spend experience points learning his Lunar hulk-out Charms, and then spent experience points learning to use his awesome Moonsilver sword better, why would he get punished for that?

Oh sorry, but you don't get use the Charms you bought, or if you can you get shitty versions.

What is the point?

If Abyssals only resonate with Soulsteel and nothing else, it would be nicely symmetrical if Solars were resonate with everything but Soulsteel.

It seems a little late to do that though.

I do actually kind of think that should be the case, despite my rabid love of Solars. Soulsteel isn't an OG magical material so it seems weird that Solars can go fully Resonant with it.

The original idea for the Tell was somewhat interesting. It was a unique physical characteristic, a quirk like Odin's lost eye or cat years you couldn't keep hidden, that would sometimes follow you between your different forms.

But the mechanics for it have always been complete garbage.

>Mirror Supernals
Hoo boy, here we go again.

drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzhchnad4Iz9dlV5XzQxVFpnd28/view?usp=sharing

This is staying up for 1 hour.

>What is the point?
Lunars are shit, that's the point.

Just as long as we don't have Mirror Charms again.

where did you get this?

Well, what else are you going to do with them? They've always been "Solars, but with a fedora and bad Day of the Dead cosplay".

Now you've also got Liminals to eat away at any potential new design space by latching onto "lol death and dead stuff" Exalted.

Thanks. You just made my day. Literally the entire reason I just came to Veeky Forums and opened this thread.

I bought it for a gram of coke.
Where do you think?

Thanks for the upload. I've been looking forward to seeing this for myself.

What is it?

>A fucking year after the corebook came out they finally release a short adventure to teach people the game

Better late than never I suppose, though it still seems beyond stupid this wasn't released at the same time the corebook was.

sorry, I didn't look close enough; I thought it was something new.

Quickstart rules and an adjoining adventure

As the uploader, I'm mainly pissed off that it took 4 years for my book to get to me.

That, Beast and the general shitty attitude some of the OP Devs have has soured me on the company a lot.

Still waiting on Wraith 20 as well.

Beast went bad?

Beast is so fantastically bad, it boggles the mind.

>Beast went bad?
Oh boy. He doesn't know.

Beast was a terrible product.
Good idea ruined by terrible execution, force-feeding their idiotic ideology into the game and just shitty everything.
The main developer calling people that questioned his judgement MRA's didn't help either.

It didn't go bad so much as start out bad and got worse.

(Sorry for the rant)

>The main developer calling people that questioned his judgement MRA's didn't help either.

lol what

That only makes sense if like they were raising a giant fucking row over transsexuals or something getting representation in the character list. Or something along those lines. "MRA" isn't "somebody who disagrees with libtard me".

It would have been interesting if it had come out 20 years ago.

They also have a typical enemy insane beast that's the one who kickstarted Gamergate off as a troll online.

forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?751112-Beast-the-Primordial-teaser-thread&p=18869444#post18869444

>(And, I note, once again Heroes smash their way in here and are all like "not all Heroes!" and "what about the Heroes?")

Took it down early since I'm going to bed. Sorry for those who missed it.

They couldn't find out what they want to do with Lunar, especially the theme, like Lunar has no theme unlike the perfect hero that is Solar, brotherhood DB and fate ninja Sid
Also in 2e Lunar's main schtick shape shifting get rekt by Infernal who is miles better
Think a game where you can play as a bully victim to bully back every bully and their friends by acting like an edgelord
The concept of teaching others by inflicting pain on them makes no sense at all unless you have that fetish

Wow, that is just fucking sad.

It was over people having serious questions as to why Heroes were portrayed as the unambiguous bad guys by the Devs.
Whereas they felt like people fighting back against literal child molesters and murderers.

Matt disagreed and compared people disagreeing with his views on what's good and bad with Men's Right's Activists. Beasts, the horrible murderous child rapists are of course Feminists in his head...for some reason.

>Think a game where you can play as a bully victim to bully back every bully and their friends by acting like an edgelord

The weirdest thing about Beast is that, if anything, it seems less like the product of rabid social justice types and instead much more like something somebody on the right would have wrote up as a scathing parody of the far left.

This is the first time since the release of the second leak, or hell even the first leak, that I've felt this hype.

you mean that token thing that solars don't get which intentionally sucks? the shittier version of sorcery(which solars just so happen to automatically be the best at)?

Beast is basically the living proof that if you go full liberal you become almost identical to an idiot reactionary. It's entertaining to watch, as I'm a commie and I find it funny as fuck when the typical Hillaryman starts acting as dumb as PepeGoebbels1488 but doesn't recognize it because his head is so far up his own ass.

Yeah - it dilutes the thematics of non-Solars if any Solar can easily use their evocations. It's a backwards step from Eclipses only being allowed to take specified non-Solar charms.

Perhaps not the best example, but Solars don't get to be just as good at Sidereal Martial Arts as an actual Sidereal.

Plus, it helps keep interest in playing non-Solars alive. The slow pace of releases is probably why they did it, so everything they put out is good for Solars (because that's all you get to play), but that's not a great justification.

>far left
They're liberals who fetishize minority status as a totem against the right because they're dumb enough to believe that if you diversify a board room, every problem will be fixed. I don't see communists or socialists doing this shit because they're focused on class, not race or gender.

Yeah, the game came off as intentionally edgy - "You're playing a horrible monster, a murderer or worse. And the antagonists are heroes out to stop you from hurting people."

Except when pressed on it, the author collapsed like a house of cards and insisted that everyone was interpreting everything wrong, and then started throwing bullshit in to appease the SJWs who were upset with his game.

Which is too bad because the edgy teenager who still lives in my heart kind of liked the basic premise.

Many of 'em are actually pretty damn socialist too.

>25 pages to describe the rules of a game
>In a published pre-made adventure

What a fucking failure of a game.

I would have liked it too if they just went full-on Horror Villain with it. None of those flimsy justifications in it and a little more social stuff or reasons to do all this besides 'just because'.
Yes you're the villain and yes people will hunt you down, but you ...I dunno uphold the cosmic balance or something?
In the end you have a role to play but you still deserve to die.

I'm about 90% certain that half of the 'subversive' ideas came from Rose. She seems like the type to go all academic feminist on standard fairy-tales.

And I think most people were generally accompanying about that. But by that stage, it was already late. And even afterwards, the proofing and layout stages took over a year (when the whole project was slated at 3 months).

The medical stuff was really a tiny factor in the incredible lateness of the project.

All the best wishes to John Mörke.
Though there really shouldn't have been a 4 year delay between finishing the kickstarter and giving backers their physical books.

How the fuck are supposed to make a quick-start guide to playing Exalted without including the rules on how to play Exalted?

I think his point is more that if the game's rules require that many pages to adequately explain itself for a *quick-start*, something has gone fairly wrong.

Are you sure, or are you the type of person who thinks Obama and the Clintons are socialists? Because I checked through Matt McFarland and Rose Bailey's twitter and there's not a drop of socialist in either. You figure they'd be following the Democratic Socialists of America or something like that at the least.

>why would he get punished for that
because he isn't a solar, and how else do you make solars feel better about the one cool toy they don't get to have?

That was well over three years ago. I wouldn't bet any money on anything said that long ago.

yeah, I like the general idea, it's just the execution

>Are you sure, or are you the type of person who thinks Obama and the Clintons are socialists?

Nah, I'm talking about actual socialism, not Red Scare these-people-who-don't-follow-my-ideology-are-commies socialism. And yeah, not all of them do by a long shot, but I've seen plenty who do.

maybe he means the german socialist people's worker party...or whatever nazi unpacks to in german i forget their full title

I want to FUCK suma

Minton and Vance are both cool dudes. I liked Holden and Morke's writing well enough, but they were shit at communicating with fans. The new devs are just as good of writers and way better with people skills.

I want to teach the snek more about humanity by seducing and fugging it.

How much does Caste affect a person? Does it merely slot them into a role or does it change them t fit that role?

Mainly the former; people who Exalt as Solars usually end up in the most appropriate Caste for their talents. 2e had an exception in Ebon Shadow's Graceful Daughter, the creator of Ebon Shadow Style, but I don't know if that's canon anymore.

Are you a backer? can you post the final copy of the backer charms? I've been asking for it for ages but no one here seems to have it.

>Volfer has dexterity 3

Instantly dead.

Depends. For Solars, your caste is the reason you were chosen. Putting it another way, a Solar caste is your primary tool for approaching the world. Dawn Castes fight, Zenith Castes organize, Twilight Castes think, Night Castes act with subtlety, and Eclipse Castes use diplomacy. Within those broad purposes, there are wide latitudes.

It's different for other Exalted too. Lunars actively pick their own castes, while Sidereal castes are more about how you see the world than how you deal with problems.

It's not just an adventure, man. It's the quickstart for the game. Basically a mini-version of the rules *plus* an adventure to run new people through.

See

If it's not OG how did Autochton make the Soulsteel caste?

What about Infernals and Abyssals?