/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

I'm pretty sure that applies to everyone, though. There's no monopoly on particle beams.

Yep. That's the point.

The fat wins. Well mass.

Some of you aren't genetrash. Use the gates before tomorrow.

I wasn't talking about darkcasting, I was talking about brainprint scans.

I guess we should be thankful then that Jovians have the strongest fleet and possibly strongest army too.

LLA-Jovian-Factor alliance for the win.

I think if they would purge other factions Solar System would be liveable and eventually Earth restored to humanity

>Trusting Factors

Really?

So who are the Jovians talking to ?

>NÍNGJÌNG (30,000 AU)
Ship Type: Automated Probe
Allegiance: Jovian Republic
Primary Languages: None
Population: 0
The Níngjìng probe is the most distant artifact of
pre-Fall humanity. It is currently 31,846 AU from the
sun and is still semi-functional due to novel upgrades
by software engineers and auto-repair systems. Its
payload includes a suite of intelligence-gathering tools.
The Jovian Republic somehow acquired the communication
protocols and maintains tight control over
the probe, with polymorphic encryption and militarygrade
anti-intrusion software. Communication with
the probe has stepped up significantly over the past
few months; Firewall investigations have failed to
determine the source of interest.

Lack of monopoly means the Jovians won't have the most guys with particle beams. Not even if you add the Lunars.

Along with everything else in a three block radius.

Actually they would.

Whatever John Carpenter or Ridley Scott movie plot is hanging out on Tyche.

Not how math works, mate.

Btw with the distances mentioned in Rimward, Transhumanity should have access to Solar Lensing and be able to see up close several other planets in the galaxy.
Kind of disappointing this isn't brought up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_lens#Solar_gravitational_lens

There is nothing about particle beams on this table.
Also most of of the so called population in Solar System are just software copies of humans and not real people.

Well, there's a couple of extrasolar probe/ark operations going on - but really exoplanet imaging the old fashioned way is kind of boring when you can jump through a stargate and just be there.

Where would this particle beam come from?

You aren't even really trying, man.

That would be a clasterfuck of epic proportions. I doubt anyone will get out of it alive.

But exhumans could make better particle beams and aim them better than any baseline human.

I think Tyche was a nod to Peter Watts Blindsight.

As to Jovians, I would presume Factor mothership base?

>But exhumans could make better particle beams and aim them better than any baseline human.
They would be too consumed by desire to shoot particle beams out of their asses. to effectively use that weapon.

LOL just found 1d4 page about Eclipse Phase.
It is hilarious

1d4chan.org/wiki/Eclipse_Phase

Swarmanoids: A swarm composed of thousands of insect-sized microbots that share one consciousness. Awesome in theory, but have fun arguing about the intricacies of the sensory input of the damn thing, or watch your player stack every fucking implant in the book on the swarm and then try to electrocute a thousand enemies at once. That the Swarmanoid has special rules on fucking everything, including picking up fucking crates, doesn't help. Just introduce strong winds and watch the Swarmanoid get literally pulled apart and die if it pisses you off too much. Or use EMP's. Normal synths can survive those, but Swarmanoids get positively rekt by them.

You know, I just realized that out of all major factions, Jovians are the only ones not located near Exsurgent Quarantine zone

youtube.com/watch?v=ueveGDiv_OQ

That's because they're an entire exsurgent quarantine zone. TITANS are smart, smart enough to pull the greatest bait and switch in the history of ruses. They know that they can finally wipe out the last non-sleeper parts of humanity by creating an entire group that is ostensibly dedicated to protecting them but really serves as a way to collect them all in one place and infect them with the exsurgent virus directly.

remember that there is a TITAN inside of jupiter's atmosphere, waiting.

>t.sweating transhuman

>trusting anyone but yourself

Hell, I can't even trust that these days. I might already be infected. Can't kill myself though, because it might be ETI memetic warfare to try and make me do that.

Also Jovians not only protect humanity from extinction they also reject indenture.

Yeah, they don't need indentureship, they have mandatory civil service instead.

Just like all the commies and socialists.

>>Elite jovian black ops are badass cyborgs, and even get cortical stacks and advanced tech
>So? Any black ops force worth their shit has that at a minimum.
>In fact, everyone else would have even better black ops cyborgs, by virtue of investing way more in exactly those things

>>Well black ops doesn't matter anyway. It doesn't matter that Jove shooting itself in the foot means it's agents in a three way cold war can barely keep up, their decades old naval assets and reservist spam can solve any problem they encounter by blowing it up with heavy weapons and armor divisions.
>they aren't the only ones with conventional forces, and the standing political situation keeps jupiter from waging open war, whatever their ideology says about the citizens of their rival polities.
>>Nuh-uh their navy is the strongest and best drilled and everyone else is just amature spaceship enthuisast clubs, and they have infinite morale and industrial resources, and their generals are so experienced they can plan around seed AI in advance of any engagement and the seed AI will always get tricked.

How many Minivans does it to blow up a brinker hab.
>two
>one to prime a swarm of TITAN designed self-replicating doom fractals on the two capsule habitat, the other to keep watch in case those horrible exsurgent-propagating frankenfreak neighbors a million miles away get suspicious.

this is great for all those indentured infugees that the PC has been abusing so badly since they lost their bodies
>oh wait
>they don't count as people, the best they can hope for is more indenture, will likely get cold storage, but should not doubt that jove would give a sanctimonious speech before deleting them all
>truly the Junta is magnanimous and liberated, that it expresses such a noble policy

>people still pushing headcanon that Jovians don't do research and are somehow technologically backwards
>meanwhile authors themselves write about them having strongest fleet in the system

Why are transthrashies so easily triggered ?

They inherited their fleet. Other powers are rapidly catching up. They will fall behind.

You don't get it. Jovians don't throw technology away, they control it.
And they are not strongest military because of having special black ops, but because their society is militaristic and has military-industrial-research complex. Plus they are staffed with both military and science veterans of the Fall.
Other factions can muster up forces that might be locally stronger than average Jovian soldiers, but they don't have armies.

Titan Commonwealth comes close, but you can't be a social democracy in apocalyptic setting and expect to survive.

>They inherited their fleet.
They have biggest shipyards in the Solar System and anti-matter production facilities.
They aren't going anywhere.
All other major powers are vulnerable to exsurgent infections and are near Quarantine Zones. Plus they live in sense of false security, Jovians train constantly for war.

>They have biggest shipyards
Citation needed
>anti-matter production facilities
The sun is better for that
>They aren't going anywhere.
That's for sure. Couldn't even take Locus.
>All other major powers are vulnerable to exsurgent infections and are near Quarantine Zones
Jove is vulnerable, and all factions have lots of territory away from quarantine zones.
>Plus they live in sense of false security, Jovians train constantly for war.
Lots of people train constantly for war. Jove is standing still while others move forward. It's the Russia of Eclipse Phase.

Fun Fact:Original image for Minerva Fleet is named Cronos Fleet.

>them having strongest fleet in the system
yes, but I object to the jovaboo headcanon that this means its the ONLY fleet or experienced in the system, freely able to go anywhere and crush any target, unimpeded by the other military fleets in the system, who are mere rabble by comparison. The Jovian fleet is the strongest, but not to the point that its power is uncontestable, especially outside jovian orbit.
And just like how jovaboos complain that the other factions get in character descriptions biased to that locale (and towards firewall because that's who they're writing for), all the sections saying "jove stronk", and that you need an authoritarian government to be able to run a functioning military, so Direct Action and scum pirates don't count, are all jovian.

Y'know for a setting that tries to depict the inner system as a shitty place to live in comparison to the egalitarian outer system it's a lot more interesting location for telling stories and adventures. Mars alone has space Las Vegas next to a stargate, Dune nomads, Martian city-state intrigue, a TITAN Quarantine Zone, and only the largest goddamn city in the solar system.

Your typical autonomist hab has...nothing. No crime, no intrigue, no bad guys to contend with, because I guess the rep system is that perfect. Per Rimward, the only real sources of friction are "minor resource shortages" and "inner system brats that cause trouble". The only way I see using autonomist habitats is to use them as future exsurgent hives, and the only cool outer system factions to not use as cannon fodder are the Jovians, ultimates, brinkers...basically anyone that's not the autonomists. Except maybe Titan.

There's also something people in general tend to ignore/forget regardless of their [imaginary] political affiliation, which is that space-based combat really heavily favors the defender.

The part about Jovian fleet being the strongest and their military units one of the most feared aren't.

Before the Fall, the Jovian system was a hotbed of
industrial activity and the go-to place for Earth-based
governments to set up clandestine research facilities
out of the prying eyes of their fellow nations. The
electromagnetic interference and high levels of radiation
meant that casual visitors were discouraged and
more determined attempts at espionage were costly
to even attempt. The Americans, Russians, Chileans,
and the Chinese all had significant presences in the
system for both legal resource collection functions
and less-than-legal research outposts that were doing
work on memetic, biological, chemical, and nuclear
weapons programs.
The Americans, as part of a joint venture with other
Western hemisphere nations, particularly Argentina
and Chile with their major spaceports, had substantial ship-building and deep-space manufacturing facilities.
They poured money into these ventures in an
attempt to recoup the prestige they’d lost in allowing
the Chinese to reach and colonize Mars first (and the
Indians to lead on Luna). These shipyards, concentrated
around Ganymede, were trumpeted in the
media back home as the jumping-off point for exploration
and colonization—not just of the solar system,
but of extrasolar systems as well.

You know, I had a revelation a while ago that made me instantly feel so much better about the setting. Using cyberbrains for everything, meshing everything together with minimal security, ignoring weirdness from your neighbors, fabbers and CMs literally all over the place. Anarchists and Scum are literally the perfect host cultures for exsurgency, and an exsurgent infection is going to go through anarchist habs like wildfire and kill/infect nearly everyone, real fucking fast.
Meanwhile, a Jovian infection is unlikely to get far, because the initial exsurgent is going to eat a thermobaric seeker round from a power-armored space marine the second it starts visibly mutating, long before it can get to a fabber or infect the local networks. Worst case, they seal the hab and jettison it into Jupiter and it's gone.
The Jovians are a lot more gray when you realize they are utterly and completely right to be acting the way they do, and are one of the few groups actually resistant to mass exsurgent infection.

Yeah. And none of that means shit without civilian involvement in tech development.

>Before the Fall, the Jovian system was a hotbed of industrial activity
So was Earth

>Titan Commonwealth comes close, but you can't be a social democracy in apocalyptic setting and expect to survive
You're, having a bigger reservist force, research-industrial-complex, and intelligence apparatus to go with a smaller but comparable, more modern navy certainly isn't enough to survive. Unless they're hard men doing hard things and making hard decisions while hard there will always be some militant authoritarian nearby that wants to murder their chosen government and enforce their obedience for their own good.

I bet you think a democratic government defending itself from attack over the objections of pacifist ideologues within is somehow invalidating, just because you think self defense belongs to anti-democratic forces.

>democratic government
top kek

>Accurate descriptions of the commonwealth are funny

This doesn't really say they're the biggest or greatest, just that they're "substantial" and the American Government liked to blab how cool they were. Also, apparently the Jovians buy some of their ships from Starware's plants around Vesta - so that's a thing.

Starware also runs a plant around Luna which is the second largest in the Inner System (largest is Pontes, Mars Orbit, run by a collab of Brazilian and other South American efforts which is majority Hypercorp run) and supposedly is working on a new ship running of Factor drives they leased.

Daily reminder that Titanian Commonwealth has a Ministry of Justice and Equality headed by Danish Somali woman

I am not making this up.

Do you have a point?

Danish Somali Minister of Justice and Equality

Here's another daily reminder, don't fuck with Titanian cops thinking they're PC Rent-a-cops or Martian or Lunar jackboots.

Danish Somali Minister of Justice and Equality
>Danish
>Somali
>Minister
>Justice
>Equality

So no

Sorry, I'm not programmed with this basilisk hack. You can keep trying to activate that sleeper agent though, maybe somebody will catch on to your memes. Maybe you should say it, like, five more times?

The current Justice Minister is Nadifa Samakab
Geeddi, a diaspora-era Danish settler of Somali
descent.
>so progressive!

It's never a good sign when a government department starts adding extra words to its name.

The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?

How high are you?

I love those two parts about Commonwealth

?Upon completing service,
all citizens are required to keep militia gear in their
home and qualify annually with their weapon.
The standard militia armament is effective against
human infantry but optimized for fighting hostile
machine life: an assault rifle with meshed sights
and status interfaces but manual control interfaces.
Militia rifles are equipped with smart magazines
firing standard, armor-piercing, and jammer rounds.

And then

>Titan is socially liberal. Forking, open microfacturing
blueprints, and most drugs are legal, their
use regulated by reputation and custom rather than
law.

Nothing possibly could go wrong!

Would you rather live in a republic or a Democratic People's Republic?

>The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?
Yes. And United States looks like Third World mixed with enclaves of the rich. I wouldn't want to live in there.

Yeah, but if you're high off your ass on MRDR everybody around you has a gun too, and they'll know you're coming a mile away through the Panopticon.

This is assuming Commonwealth Police ninjas don't get a precog report from the Orchestra and arrest you the moment you leave your apartment or something.

>The United States recently had a Hawaiian-Kenyan president. Does that make it weak?
I would rather live in poorer ethno state of Czech Republic than in rich and diverse USA.
Check out homicide and crime rates.

You know it's literally impossible for the US to be "Third World", right, because that's not how the actual definition of Third World works?

Also fuck you, your country is a piece of shit too.

>This is assuming Commonwealth Police ninjas don't get a precog report from the Orchestra and arrest you the moment you leave your apartment or something.

>creating situations which exhaust your resources yourself
Smart thinking TC.

>Not answering the question
Typical eurotrash

So some people might get shot? They'll be fine in with just a short visit to a healing vat and local shrink.

You want to ban baseball bats and knives? Those are proportionately more dangerous than rifles in EP today.

>You know it's literally impossible for the US to be "Third World", right, because that's not how the actual definition of Third World works?

Large parts of USA are Third World basically.

>Also fuck you, your country is a piece of shit too.
My country has 4 times less homicide and I have never seen a non-European on the street in my whole life.

His country has banned knives too

>So some people might get shot? They'll be fine in with just a short visit to a healing vat and local shrink.
>You want to ban baseball bats and knives? Those are proportionately more dangerous than rifles in EP today.
>being constantly murdered is ok, because you can return from this highly traumatic process which taxes our states resources!
Titanian Commonwealth everyone.

>Our racism prevents conflict via exclusion, so we're morally superior

Or alternatively

>No one immigrates here because our economy is shit and we're racist

>>Our racism prevents conflict via exclusion, so we're morally superior
You know, that might have been an argument 10 years ago, but I can assure you most people these don't look upon West as a role model anymore.

>not denying it

>Large parts of USA are Third World basically.

Still not how that actually works, colloquialism aside. For instance, you appear to live in what, until recently, was a Second World country.

>My country has 4 times less homicide and I have never seen a non-European on the street in my whole life.

Assuming all goofballs are the same goofballs, the USA has 32 times more population than you, so x4 as much Murder actually sounds pretty good. And quite frankly it's the Europeans you need to worry about. You never know when the Russkies might decide they want that region back. And THEN who are you gonna come cry to?

>Assuming all goofballs are the same goofballs, the USA has 32 times more population than you, so x4 as much Murder actually sounds pretty good

Why are Americans always failing to understand what per capita rate is ?
I am serious. They don't teach you that at schools ?
>>not denying it
You are seriously out of touch with modern world if you think countries in Eastern Europe care about such opinion.

>why didn't you know that I meant per capita when I didn't say it?

Clearly a woman

Also an eastern european. Probably going to go back to the old chestnut and complain about how EP paints all Slavs as either criminals or industrial workers next.

Do you seriously think any other measurement is valid between countries of different size ?
Everyone uses per capita.
Don't defend your idiocy now. I see it in every thread Americans start on homicide. Tell me why per capita is such mystery to you Americans.

Go squat in a profile picture

Why would I complain about last writings from dying civilization?

I'm not even the one who said that. Lots of people think you're racist.

So is our new slavposter just anti-Nordic, or are they also a joveposter.

Because I feel like there's some irony in the latter, but the former's just the same shit different day.

I think it was more anti-Somali than anti-Nordic

Have the Somalis ever been occupied by the Soviets? I mean, if we're going to find weird qualifiers to chuckle about.

Neither have any nordic countries, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Eastern Europe was, keep up man. Stupid jokes at the expense of other nations and peoples follow clear chains of logic and are the undeniable bedrock of humor.

From what I'm reading in the books and in these threads, this game is like The Walking Dead but with transhumanism in it, yeah?

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